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TarkanX

06-03-2002, 06:20 PM

If SF, and DB fought(and on ground), who would win?

Post why you think each would win(and don't say dumb things like, "because gOkU cAnZ detrsoZ dA uNIverz"), back up your evidence also.

Physicals r scary

06-03-2002, 06:31 PM

because gOkU cAnZ detrsoZ dA uNIverz :D

jk, i think db because i dont see ryu blowing up a planet with his finger

princevegetam

06-03-2002, 06:32 PM

dbz, cause goku or any of the z fighters can blow up the earth. this is confirmed since goku is stronger than frieza and frieza can blow up a planet.

Roll

06-03-2002, 06:35 PM

Look, we're talking about two different series here. I don't see how I can compare. So, I'll say... (eenie meenie minie...) Street Fighter. Because.... it's just cooler that way? (They're the underdogs..)

EDIT: N/M I just saw the on the ground part. Street Fighter for sure, because first of all, Any smart DB character (if there are any... j/k) wouldn't blow up the earth if they were standing on it. And Street Fighter Characters got Ground Hypers/specials/supers that they can use. some can teleport (and still stay on the ground), while others can shoot huge fireballs, and others use their speed to finish off there opponents. They just have the advantage on the ground.

princevegetam

06-03-2002, 06:38 PM

FOOL! haven't you ever seen the sf animated series or any sf movies! you can easily see the difference in the way they fight. sf fights can barely destroy a sky scraper but a dbz battle can destroy mountains.

Roll

06-03-2002, 06:45 PM

Speaking of fools.

Physicals r scary

06-03-2002, 06:54 PM

you cant even finish a post :withstupid:

Roll

06-03-2002, 06:58 PM

Whatever. I'm just not as aggressive as you men (or I should say boys...).

princevegetam

06-03-2002, 07:01 PM

most dbz characters are faster than the speed of light and sound. of course they'll win a ground battle. goku has even said it himself that he perfers fighting on the ground rather than the air. dbz characters can do energy attacks on the ground! how the hell do you think gohan managed to defeat cell?! a kamehameha like that would've destroyed the earth, so both cell and gohan did kamehamehas against each other on the ground. vegeta's final flash attack could easily blow up new york. can any sf characters do that?

Roll

06-03-2002, 07:05 PM

I dunno. They've never tried to, now have they? And Sakura herself was used (in SFA3) to destroy someplace (I forget where) by M. Bison. JUST Sakura's energy destroyed an area. Now, add all the characters together, and they could destroy planets too. But this is just my hunch.

TarkanX

06-03-2002, 07:51 PM

It's just funny how people like to exaggerate the DB characters. Cell can't go fast the the speed of light, SSJ2 Gohan can't go fast than the speed of light. only people as strong as SSJ Gotenks and up can go faster than the speed of light. Some DB characters can't blow up the earth. Krillin for example can't, he has a lot of chi, but not enough to destroy the earth(he can destroy a huge portion of the earth though).

None of the humans are stronger than Freiza, I'd debate whether Krillin or Tenshinhan were stronger than Freiza form 1, or weaker.

Vegetas final flash would destroy the world if it was directly aimed at it, but it was aimed at Cell, so it didn't destroy him.

Now to give out some SF points:

Akuma can destroy a huge mountain in one blow(SF3: double impact ending)

Akuma can stay under DEEP water(500 meters below sea level) for hours, even days, which none of the Z warriors can do.(SF3: third strike ending)

Akuma can destroy a huge boat with one attack(SF3: third strike ending)

Gill can conrtol fire and ice anywhere(so that means he can make fire appear under your ass when he's 1,000 miles away)

Gill can bring fire and ice out of the heavens, and deep below anytime.

Gill has the power to change the earths temperature.

Gill has godly powers, this is shown when he does the seraphic wing, he grows angel wings, and destroys anything in his path.

Don't take the animated movies for canon, look at the gameplay.

And physicals, not all of the Z warriors can blow up the earth with one finger(Krillin, Chaotzu, Tenshinhan, Yamucha).

ZeroEna

06-03-2002, 07:58 PM

yeah that happenes if you lose to bison happened with Ken of course then Ryu storms in and goes scitsofranick and Kills Bison because Ryu and Ken are Like brothers or something. and with Akuma (still don't know how I even got that far with him) with his energy he blows up the world. And besides Ryu could beat Piccalo with his super whirlwind kick (can't remember the actual name) and I'm sure Dahasalam could beat Krillin. heh wonder what a Bison vs. SuperBoo fight would be like. And FYI Prince there was only one Street fighter movie wasent that good either well for the time I guess it was good. But the fight against Bison was like the best part. and also the series was discontnued. :(

ZeroEna

06-03-2002, 07:59 PM

yeah that happens if you lose to bison happened with Ken of course then Ryu storms in and goes scitsofranick and Kills Bison because Ryu and Ken are Like brothers or something. and with Akuma (still don't know how I even got that far with him) with his energy he blows up the world. And besides Ryu could beat Piccalo with his super whirlwind kick (can't remember the actual name) and I'm sure Dahasalam could beat Krillin. heh wonder what a Bison vs. SuperBoo fight would be like. And FYI Prince there was only one Street fighter movie wasent that good either well for the time I guess it was good. But the fight against Bison was like the best part. and also the series was discontnued. :(
err sorry about the double poast my comp froze.

TarkanX

06-03-2002, 08:01 PM

I doubt Ryu could beat Piccolo, unless he gave into the Dark Hadou.

darklink

06-03-2002, 08:16 PM

well actually they do move the speed of light........ remember when dbz first started and they were fighting radditz......... picollo tried to hit him with a KI attack and radditz dodged...... after that piccolo said he can move at the speed of light..... you can go look if you want

SSJKarma

06-03-2002, 08:30 PM

they are right tarkan !
for someone to disappear from your sight by just running they have to go to the speed of light so they are fast enought to do it !

remember SSJ goku vs Freeza ?
they were moving so fast that the whole sceneray got slowed down for us to see them fight !

anyway, i think TarkanX here as a point... we wouldn't know who would win cause if we take the DB series not DBZ they aren't that strong and need lots of time to gather ki !

Dan Hibiki

06-03-2002, 08:34 PM

Basing my judgement solely on techniques and not at all on powers, it would be a tie.

The Hadouken and Dark Hadou are similar to the Kikou Ha.

The Messatsu no Hadou and Shinkuu Hadouken (versus series forms) are comparable to the Kame Hame Ha, Galiku Hou, and Final Flash.

Messatsu no Zankuu (versus series form) is comparable to the Renzoku Kikou Ha attack.

The Shinkuu Tatsumaki Senpukyaku (somewhat) and the Shippu Jinraisu (sp) are very similar to Goku's Abesergi Kick (named only in games, performed on Perfect Cell in the Cell games).

Akuma, Evil Ryu, and Evil Sakura's teleportation move (God I feel dumb for forgetting the name) is comporable to Goku and King Kai's Shunkan Idou (that's Instant Transmission for you dubbies).
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On another note, TarkanX is correct that no DBZ character has the capacity for speeds at or beyond the speed of light, necessarily. The anime is not accurate in showing the increase in speed and strength, or these long, grueling 20-minute segments of fighting would start to be crammed into perhaps 30 seconds, judging by my calculations (I have no life, I admit it) of how much faster they should have become, and how fast the anime shows them moving. The manga allows you to use your imagination, eliminating this slow-mo play-by-play on TV.

Another factor is that if their speeds are indeed approaching the speed of light, Einsteins theory of relativity (that space and time are intertwined) comes into play. The fighters would experience a slowdown of time in comparison to the rest of the world, but they would see the rest of the world as moving VERY quickly. In effect, the two fighters would travel forwards in time in perspective to the crowd of watching people, making their movements APPEAR to be faster than the speed of light, when in reality by the fighters' perspective they are not travelling that fast.
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Anybody who can understand what I said care to debate my points :D?

SSJKarma

06-03-2002, 08:59 PM

you're right about what eisntein said about space and time...
but no one could ever test his theory, so how could you know that it's true ?

and another question for you:
what speed does it take to vanish completely from sight ?
cause that's exactly what happen in dbz !
and look at fact like the DB series made in the fight with jackie chun vs krillin !
in 1 second they did about 20 moves each other !
jackie chun zanzoken technique is done by moving real fast !
so what speed does it takes to let an image behind you ?
he even let 3 of em ! and goku this it too and letted 4 images...

i dont know the speed but i can only guess they were at the speed of light. and in the freeza fight goku himself stopped and look around himself to try and understand why the whole planet was that slow compared to him ! so i can say he actually was fast enought to completely slow down a whole planet !

06-03-2002, 09:44 PM

Now think for a moment. If the DB fighters could move at the speed of light, what would be the point of the instant transmission? Things disappear from your eyes even when they're not moving at the speed of light. Can you see a bullet that's fired? It's not even close to the speed of light.

God Gouki

06-03-2002, 11:27 PM

SSJKarma

06-04-2002, 07:47 AM

ok, perhaps not speed of light, but real fast anyway !

i mean if you saw the series where the fight between freeza and ssjgoku were fighting. then you know what i mean when i say they were fast enough. the whole planet was way much slower than them !

it's not anyday that you can see volcano and lava waves going around you and seeing them goes at about .5 km/h !

if that isn't fast enough !

Roll

06-04-2002, 08:11 AM

But then again, Goku Died in that battle (he got hit by the lava and melted away...) but he was wished back. so Nyah! :p
And besides that, you never saw the speed of the whole planet, because the planet was kind of pre-occupied with the fact that they were being destroyed by the purple&white freak. (otherwise known as Freeza) So I'm still sticking with street fighters as the best.

SSJKarma

06-04-2002, 08:49 AM

goku didn't died in that battle, he founded a space ship and launched it at random to get the hell out of there !

crash landing on yardrats (where he learned the instant transmission)

princevegetam

06-04-2002, 12:37 PM

ZeroEna

06-04-2002, 01:30 PM

that's because they focus all their energy into thir attacks! I mean come on think of what you're saying! so you're saying that sence Magneto and Storm can fly they can blow up plannets?! :baaa: and Ryu could beat Piccalo because his super whirlwind kick can suck you in and his shinku haodken could cancel out the special beam cannon. AS for the speed of light bit it's quite possible that they were moveing faster than the speed of light but not fast enough to go into the future so as they went faster time slowed down I mean come on do you realy think they could do that much fighting in 5 minutes?http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/cf2_rock.gif :yinyang:

xsilver

06-04-2002, 01:54 PM

okay. for all of the people thinking streetfighter would win, i pity u. have u ever seen how fast the dbz characters move when they fight? you can't even see them. you see the places where they are hitting eachother repeatedly really fast. anyway, any of the dbz fighters could dodge one of the shinkuu hadokens or any of the streetfighter special attacks. and could the streetfighters jump as high as the dbz fighters do? no i don't think so. and when goten was training with gohan for the world martial art tournament, goten threw a rock threw a solid mountain easily! and gohan dodged it. there are so many more reasons but i can't list them all here. its obvious that dbz would win

06-04-2002, 02:23 PM

I'm not about to get sucked into a huge debate but I'll bring up a few points that nobody's mentioned...

Taunts: Dan Hibiki would most certainly be able to distract many DB fighters with his endless array of tauntshttp://www.geocities.com/tenistarkage/Dan/supertaunt.gif

Gravity: If they were fighting somewhere where the gravity could change, ie: Bobidy's ship, then DB fighters would have a HUGE advantage

Muten Roshi: If the DB fighers got into a jam, they could always call out Muten Roshi with his endless supply of porn to cause mass illness on the side of the Street Fighters (although it would be impossible to do this without escaping some casualties on their own side).

Bulma: In the even that all else fails, Bulma could come out on the side of the DB fighters and most certainly annoy several Street Fighters to death.

asshole

06-04-2002, 02:51 PM

Dammit, Im tired of some of you people saying DBZ is better because they can blow up shiit, just imagine, If they all fought on the ground and didn't use any "special" or "Normal" attacks (not even Hadouken or Kamehameha), then who would win?

Think about it..
With all the SF chr's being able to fight on ground and real good, DBZ hasn't a chance.

SF Wins. :!:

princevegetam

06-04-2002, 02:54 PM

lol, no street fighter character can even live in a place with 400x earth's gravity. no, magneto can fly because he can control metal. storm can fly cause she use wind. neither of them uses energy. it's just their mutant powers. but we're talking about sf characters here! marvel characters are a bit less realistic than sf characters. what the hell is wrong with you ppl? why do you all think dbz characters can't fight on ground? if they're strong enough to fly then they're bound to be strong on the ground. before dbz in dragon ball they never knew how to fly. before they knew how to fly, how do you think they trained?!

DarkShinAkuma

06-04-2002, 03:00 PM

well if DBZ would vs Sf then i would say DBZ would win mainly because of the attacks, DBZ characters can do blasts that are 50X's Bigger and stronger then most of the characters in St

princevegetam

06-04-2002, 03:03 PM

this thread is biased since it's in this forum, cause i'm sure there are more sf fans than dbz fans, post this in a dbz forum and we'll see who wins. :sneaky2:

TarkanX

06-04-2002, 03:33 PM

Man you guys keep using the anime as your source of facts, and thanks Dan for summing it all up.

There is no movement in the manga, and no one ever says that anyone moves at the speed of light, and no one ever does until the Buu saga.

And when I say DB, i meant DB in general, I don't like sayng DBZ because does it says DB"Z" in the manga cover? No it doesn't.

Some characters from SF can fly, Shin Bison, Gill, Rose(float), Oro(float). And you don't need to fly to win.

If it were a water battle(fighting in water), SF would definately win, DB characters can't stay in water that long, just as long as a normal human(but a bit higher). if it were an air battle, DB characters would definately win because most of the SF cast can't even fly, and the ones that can fly(float) don't hover that far from the ground(I believe Oro can fly, but just not as good as Bison, or Gill).

Dan Hibiki

06-04-2002, 04:19 PM

roll, you don't know anything about dbz and you only know about sf. dbz characters have fought many times on the ground. sure, akuma can destroy a mountain, but can he fly? it takes a certain amount of energy to propel yourself in the air. i don't think any sf characters can do that. you have to be at a certain level of power to be able to fly. if akuma or any other sf characters can do that, then they are not at the same level as dbz characters.
Sorry, but I just noticed princevegetam's post here.

The technique you refer to is Buku Jyutsu, and just like any other technique it must be learned. The Street Fighter characters (most of them) obviously have enough Ki to support this technique; it is just that most of them don't know the technique.

SSJKarma

06-04-2002, 04:24 PM

i would have compared to the manga,but the manga dont give that much detail...

buu saga...
vegetto give 1 hit there then buu try something then vegetto give another hit here then buu absorb it ! where is the fun in that ?

anyway, i like DB and SF evenly but i still say it would be DB char who would win cause of there techniques not cause of there speed or anything else !

in a hand-to-hand fight it would be even since they all use martial arts so we cant decide on that !

Dan Hibiki

06-04-2002, 04:30 PM

I don't think that DB has any attacks where it sends the person's soul to Hell... Street Fighter wins based upon techniques! Look at my really long post a page ago!

xsilver

06-04-2002, 04:31 PM

but you know how fast the dbz fighters punch and kick compared to the streetfighters? its that simple

Dan Hibiki

06-04-2002, 04:36 PM

:sleepy: I said that based upon [b:post_uid8]techniques[/b:post_uid8], and not physical strength. Street Fighter techniques are superior to DBZ ones in many respects.

hadoken king

06-04-2002, 04:47 PM

If any of watched streetfighte Zero Alpha you would know that steertfighter characters are just as strong as DBZ ones especially ryu. In the movie ryu's hadoken did as much damage as any blast a Dbz characters blast can do. His charged up one is as big as KAmahama does as much damage as it probably even more. He was destroying buildings in the movie, and when he did blast you could have seen the explosion from a far just like on DBZ. OH and Evilryu and GOUKI.......well they would have torn any DBZ chracter apart no hesistation. Oh yeah and in the movie one of E.ryu's hadokens (evil wave) was gonna destroy the earth but chun li had to stop him.

Roll

06-04-2002, 04:52 PM

First of all, I DO watch Dragon Ball Z. I happen to think it's very amusing. But I still say SF has a *slightly* bigger advantage. Second, Goku did die. Not after freeza though. Before the death of Freeza (or the appearance of it anyway...), Goku was knocked into lava, and thus, he disappeared out of existance of that life plane. But the dragon Balls on NAMEK (which were revived, since Kame used the earth dragon balls to restore that fat Namekian)were used to revive everyone that was killed by Freeza, including Goku. Thus, he had his third chance at life. If you actually watched the episodes carefully, then you would've noticed. And I still think a SF Character would win, because this is based on ground fights. Take away the HUGE energy attacks that can blow up a planet (which wouldn't be a wise choice of attack), and the fact that they can fly, and what do you have? Just muscles and heads with mouths that flap. But I agree, they do have speed. But I have to wonder about Vitality...

hadoken king

06-04-2002, 04:57 PM

Street figher can beat DBZ. Watch streetfighter Zero Alpha the movie and you'll see what I mean.

hadoken king

06-04-2002, 05:07 PM

roll, you don't know anything about dbz and you only know about sf. dbz characters have fought many times on the ground. sure, akuma can destroy a mountain, but can he fly? it takes a certain amount of energy to propel yourself in the air. i don't think any sf characters can do that. you have to be at a certain level of power to be able to fly. if akuma or any other sf characters can do that, then they are not at the same level as dbz characters.
You do not have to be a certain level to fly Videl i'm sure is not stronger than any sf character and she flew and so did dende who is also not stronger than any sf character.........ahaaaaaa!

SSJKarma

06-04-2002, 05:21 PM

hey, we are not comparing thechnique that SF char could learn we are talking about what Chars (DB and SF) actually have !

then again, like i already said SF chars has as most chance as DB ones, its just the way of fighting who change !

anyway roll, he didn't die in that lava cause when he getted out he had that energy field around him... and it's not the dragon who made it. it's him !

freeza did freak out when vegeta came back to life !

Dan Hibiki

06-04-2002, 05:31 PM

Roll, Goku was not revived by Namek's Dragon Balls, because no wish concerning him was made. He also could not have been revived by Shenron (Earth's dragon) because he had already been revived by that dragon.

hadoken king, the Street Fighter Zero Alpha movie is NOT canon, meaning whatever you see in it is, in as many words, bullshit.

princevegetam

06-04-2002, 05:40 PM

it's not alpha it's called zero and the only person with enough power to destroy buildings is ryu no one else. and tarkan dbz is based on what happened in db. that means dbz characters do know lots of martial arts it's considered the basics in dbz. whereas in db ppl are just perfecting their basic martial arts techniques such as fighting on the ground. in dbz they gone over to a new level with their new ability to fly. they had to learn ways of fighting in the air which was a big advantage against ground opponents.

TarkanX

06-04-2002, 05:42 PM

The part where SSJ Goku falls in the lava doesn't happen in the manga, the fight went pretty quickly after he went SSJ, this is how it goes in the manga:

-Goku turns SSJ
-Goku says a few words
-Freeza taunts Goku
-Freeza goes in for Goku
-Freezas attacks are useless against Goku, he can't hit him
-Goku lets Freeza hit him
-Goku hardly feels anything
-Freeza is getting the crap beat out of him
-Freeza throws a huge fireball at Nameks core
-Goku gets shocked
-he can't direct the fireball in time
-Freeza says they have 5 minutes
-Goku continously beats the crap out fo Freeza
-Freeza says he'll go 100%
-Goku says it'll take a strain on Freezas power supply
-Freeza doesn't care and goes 100%
-both fighters are about even
-On earth, they gathered all the DB's, and made a wish to revive everyone killed by Freeza
-The big fat namek leader gets revived, and then a lot of stuff happen(not much detail)
-They get Dende to wish that everyone on Namek go to earth except Goku and Freeza
-Freeza gets pissed that his wish didn't happen
-the fight goes on
-Freeza gets tired, so he makes to discs(similar to Kienzan)
-Goku dodges the discs, and lead it towards Freeza
-Freeza thinks he got Goku(but look behind Freeza!!!)
-Freeza gets half of his body cut off(so his top part is remaining)
-Freeza pleads for mercy so Goku gives Freeza some of his power
-Freeza tries to sneak attack Goku
-Goku looks at Freeza, and Freeza=dead horse

The battle was straight forward, and didn't last that long

The part where Vegeta was about to do a fireball on Freeza before he teleported didn't happen.

The part where Gohan fights Freiza when Goku is in the lava didn't happen, because Goku never got knocked in the lava.

princevegetam

06-04-2002, 05:44 PM

TarkanX

06-04-2002, 05:45 PM

and tarkan dbz is based on what happened in db. that means dbz characters do know lots of martial arts it's considered the basics in dbz. whereas in db ppl are just perfecting their basic martial arts techniques such as fighting on the ground. in dbz they gone over to a new level with their new ability to fly. they had to learn ways of fighting in the air which was a big advantage against ground opponents.
........... here is how I see it, if you read the manga, you could say DB 1-17, then 18-42

volumes 18-42 is 18 when the raditz saga begins, and 42 is when buu gets destroyed, and everyone lives happily ever after. Anything before 18 is the series where there is only one saiya-jin on earth, and that is Goku.

It doesn't say Dragon Ball Z on the manga cover, it says Dragon Ball.

princevegetam

06-04-2002, 05:48 PM

dbz is continued from db. there are many times when they refer back to db. you kind of have to say what happened before is part of dbz since you just can't start off straight. it really doesn't make any sense, considering goku rides on a flying cloud for some reason and a green dude can shoot energy and some guy survives it.

TarkanX

06-04-2002, 05:49 PM

they all know martial arts, it's just too low level for them. they've perfected that and evolved beyond that. they're perfecting their air combat techniques. and those energy attacks can be used on the ground. it's not directed at the ground so no harm is done to themselves. as for vitality, they've got the most vitality! do you realize that battle with the saiyans went on for a whole day! 24 hours! why? because king kai said it had to take goku a day to get there in time.
Some of that day was used for resting, and taunting the opponent. Besides, theres the senzu bean which recovers your vitality. And Vegeta didn't fight the whole time, for most of the hours he just watched, and Nappa was beaten by Goku, and killed by Vegeta which wasnt the whole saiya-jin fight.

The only person who lasted through the whole fight(and that fought) was Krillin, and he was revitalized with the senzu bean, and plus he missed some of the goku vs. vegeta fight.

TarkanX

06-04-2002, 05:51 PM

princevegetam

06-04-2002, 06:09 PM

the db"z" manga series wouldn't be complete without the db manga series.

TarkanX

06-04-2002, 06:17 PM

......... never mind.......

SSJKarma

06-04-2002, 06:37 PM

i understand TarkanX !
Dragonball is all the episodes in the manga there is no Z like on TV...
on TV they called it DB"Z"

TarkanX, that's why we loved the TV show better cause they are more of a fight then the manga... but the manga does have more bloods than the cut off of funimation =;-DD

i must say that both have their charm !
but the manga is too straight forward !
you have to imagine the fight, and its that who is by my opinion too complicated to imagine since we are not in the mind of akira toriyama !

he made the chars of chrono triggers you know !

TarkanX

06-04-2002, 06:44 PM

I used to be a Dragon Ball fan myself(until planetnamek.com). I agree the anime is better than the manga, because you can see what actually happens, even though the animes plot doesn't make sense. And the anime(in japan) has more blood than the manga.

asshole

06-04-2002, 08:08 PM

This was a veeerrryyy stupid post to begin with.

hadoken king

06-04-2002, 08:14 PM

Ok I admit it DBZ will destroy street fighter if they fought :lol:
I was talking bull before. :)

DBZ RULZ!

Dan Hibiki

06-04-2002, 08:46 PM

princevegetam, the manga from Japan is called strictly Dragonball. No Z. No GT (nuh duh 'cuz Akira Toriyama never made it). Just plain Dragonball. The American translations of the manga, transformed into comics, is called Dragonball Z. The actual manga's name is Dragonball.

The anime series sucks because it deviates too much from the manga. Several fights don't happen in the manga compared to the anime, and the anime lacks the interesting humor of the manga. The anime just has really cheesy humor.

princevegetam, I had best not have to re-explain that first paragraph again. TarkanX is right. There is NO DRAGONBALL Z MANGA, FOR IT IS ALL DRAGONBALL. Do we have an understanding?

DX Zero

06-04-2002, 08:54 PM

OMG! i'll just say this:
-too much posts to read so i skimmed through..
-saiyans and humans are not the same type of species so they shouldnt be compared...
compare only earthlings from dbz + streetfighter would make more sense...
-dhalsim can fly..
:D :D

patrickstar

06-05-2002, 04:51 PM

i kant believe this! sf will win 4 sure u fool r we forgetting zangief?????????!!!!!!!!!! he kan pick up a planet and do that super spin and the planet would blow up!fools

muahaha

SuperSonicX

06-05-2002, 05:35 PM

Yea i got dbz on cd from japan and its got nudity! lol

Dan Hibiki

06-05-2002, 06:43 PM

:plain: Why are people so fascinated with that?

Roll

06-06-2002, 07:47 AM

:dozingoff: Who knows...

MacDougall

06-06-2002, 10:58 AM

All in all, DB does have more special attacks (including the shows, here), and more characters, too..... :baaa:

TarkanX

06-06-2002, 04:05 PM

actually SF has more characters, and it's originally a manga.

Dan Hibiki

06-06-2002, 04:42 PM

Well, it wasn't originally a manga, but now there is a non-canon manga out for Street Fighter. Dang, they are mean to Dan Hibiki...

Roll

06-07-2002, 08:55 AM

Poor Dan *pats Dan's back*

....SF 4eva!

ZeroEna

06-07-2002, 05:22 PM

THis is gona sound totaly stupid but I didn't know there was a another street fighter movie how many are there? But seroiusly the Japanese one's are better cause there's alot more fighting and blood. But if the Street Fighter characters could fly they would definatly win. SF 4 LIFE! :yinyang:

Bookboy999

06-07-2002, 07:31 PM

I think it is unfair to comapre the two.... what about goku versus superman? :whatsthat:

TarkanX

06-07-2002, 08:49 PM

Superman owns Goku

Roll

06-07-2002, 10:24 PM

Let's just stick to the original topic, k?

Sf would still win, cause they are smart enough to not try and destroy the earth. o.o;

ZeroEna

06-08-2002, 09:46 AM

Good point.

steventhebol

06-09-2002, 07:05 AM

alright of we have a couple of things to look at when you are comparing Street fighter (and not friggen including X-men) and DBZ

Street fighter

* some of the characters have somewhat slow attacks
* some of the characters have fast attacks
* most of the characters want to beat the crap out of each other (remember this is street fighter)
* Most or all of them ae humans ( with mutant powers it seems like :D )
* Not all of them can fly
*they cant block all high level attacks ( they can only duck it)

Dragonball-Z
*Most of the characters have lighting fast attacks (and i do mean lighting fast)
* If you make most of them mad they will go berserk( Goku vs. Freeza for example. the only reason goku turned into a super sayain is because freeza killed those who he was real close to.)
* Goku can launch the mighty powerful earth ball ( which could kill both dbz and street fighter based on how much of it he uses. Remember that he uses almost all of the earth's energy into the ball which could take all the oxygen away from everybody)
* One of the dbz characters has an attack that could blind
*Piccolo has an attack that can confuse enemies which is that multiplying attack that he uses

Any questions?!??!?!?!?!?!?!? :cheesy: :D

Roll

06-17-2002, 06:06 AM

Some good points, Steventhebol. But Sf has the upper hand in technique. They are able to learn to change their attacks easily to do what they need to do. So you never know. Like Chunli. She can use her kikoushou to defend. Same thing with every other projectile user. And also, Goku needs time to gain the power from the earth for his Spirit bomb. And he also lost that ability when he became a super Saiyan. M. Bison can multipy too (or at least create an illusion of it). Rose could absorb projectiles with her scarf (since they are 1 hitters...), Zangief could turn into Metal Zangief and do some super strong holds on them. Sakura could use her shouoken to defend against projectiles, and cause some serious damge. Ryu has his Shinkuu hadouken which is pulled off automatically. Ken has the dragon punches. Cammy has that cannon drill, along with the cannon spike. And if we involved all of capcom here, then this would be a heavy fight, but it doesn't involve it. Oh well. that's all I have.... for now... ;)

wolverinexxx

06-17-2002, 05:16 PM

hey tarkan x why haven't u write me back man I need some tips.

wolverinexxx

06-17-2002, 05:20 PM

hey do any of u guy know how to that transforming move with sentinel when he turns green.

princevegetam

06-17-2002, 05:48 PM

i can't believe the bullshit you ppl talk about when i'm gone.

1. dbz ppl's martial arts techniques equal those of sf because in dragonball, i mean the part before the "american" dbz, they studied very hard under master roshi's techniques and goku came a long way with his techniques. other characters also perfected techniques in db. dbz is the part where they expand their techniques into energy attacks and martial arts in the air.

2. dbz ppl are not stupid, only goku is. he's the one doing retarded stuff. he's the one letting villains escape. it's for humour purposes. most of the other times he doesn't act nearly as stupid.

3.zangief cannot lift the earth! who the hell came up with that stupid idea. he can wrestle bears and that's it.

here is what i'm talking about dbz

goku has the kamehameha, kaioken which can multiply his power, spirit bomb which can gather energy from the ENTIRE universe(if he gets enough time), solar flare, teleportation and oozaru form. vegeta has his final flash and big bang. gohan has his hidden powers and masenkou. piccolo has his regenerative capabilities, beam cannon thing and stretchy limbs that can extend. trunks has his burning attack thing. tien also has the multi form and a variety of different cool techniques(can't remember all of them now). and that's most of the good guys, not counting dbz villains(cell has almost all the techniques i mentioned). plus dbz characters have proved to be able to change their attacks many times in the series. many times they have been able to do stuff like setting their fists on flame and try to punch some one. the only reason most of you ppl like sf is cause it's a game and you guys played it. if sf was just a plain anime, dbz would win. if a good enough dbz game was made to demonstrate the true power of some of the dbz characters, you wouldn't be laughing now. :angry:

weezer

06-17-2002, 07:22 PM

this is too stupid!
dragonball z ppl aren't even humans...
it would only make sense if you put a sf against someone like yamcha.......or give sf ppl strength similar to what the dbz warriors have........but if you leave it like the way it is....dbz would win........if anyone has even seen sf 2 the animated movie........ryu barely has a power level of 3600 while goku has , oh i don't know, 150,000!

TarkanX

06-17-2002, 08:54 PM

3.zangief cannot lift the earth! who the hell came up with that stupid idea. he can wrestle bears and that's it.

No DB character can lift or move the earth as well. Zangief wrestles bears for sport, and Zangief isn't even the strongest SF

goku has the kamehameha, kaioken which can multiply his power, spirit bomb which can gather energy from the ENTIRE universe(if he gets enough time)

kaio-ken decreases the power level gradually after using it, the genki-dama(spirit bomb) can only be gathered if people give energy to the user.

solar flare, teleportation and oozaru form.

Goku has lost the ability of his oozaru form since his tail was cut off.

vegeta has his final flash and big bang. gohan has his hidden powers and masenkou.

This is true, but all of Gohans power was released in the buu saga by the rou-dai kaio-shin(old perverted mystic guy). So Gohan cant get any stronger anymore.

piccolo has his regenerative capabilities, beam cannon thing and stretchy limbs that can extend. trunks has his burning attack thing. tien also has the multi form and a variety of different cool techniques(can't remember all of them now).

Piccolo can regenerate his body parts as long as his head is intact

and that's most of the good guys, not counting dbz villains(cell has almost all the techniques i mentioned). plus dbz characters have proved to be able to change their attacks many times in the series. many times they have been able to do stuff like setting their fists on flame and try to punch some one.

They don't change their attacks, they learn them through sheer training.

the only reason most of you ppl like sf is cause it's a game and you guys played it. if sf was just a plain anime, dbz would win. if a good enough dbz game was made to demonstrate the true power of some of the dbz characters, you wouldn't be laughing now.

I defend both sides with true proof, and not lame ass ones. I give some weak points from street fighter. I did say Ryu would lose to Piccolo didn't I..... Too bad a DB game isn't made to demonstrate their powers, but there is a manga! there are some SF characters that would own the DB characters.

this is too stupid!
dragonball z ppl aren't even humans...

Some of the DB characters are human, they just have greater ki than the average human.

it would only make sense if you put a sf against someone like yamcha.......or give sf ppl strength similar to what the dbz warriors have........but if you leave it like the way it is....dbz would win........if anyone has even seen sf 2 the animated movie........ryu barely has a power level of 3600 while goku has , oh i don't know, 150,000

For your information, Yamucha has great potential, but hasnt trained since Cell died. Like I said Some SF characters would own DB characters. Anime doesn't count. Yes I believe Goku would overkill Ryu, but there are some SF characters that would own the DB characters. And Gokus PL is way higher than that.

Ryu does have potential, the dark hadou, if he taps into this, he'd be able to beat most of the DB characters.

Tidus2K2

06-17-2002, 09:37 PM

DBZ will murk SF. I don't want to argue because it's way to obvious.

Tidus2K2

06-17-2002, 09:40 PM

It said i'm unregistered. Why this stupid forum.

SBYRD5

06-17-2002, 09:48 PM

O.K. the if street fighter meeted the Z fighters in Dragon Ball they would win,and maybe the beginning of the dragon ball z seris against someone like yamacha or or the weaker Z fighters maybe then too. ???

SBYRD5

06-17-2002, 09:59 PM

Look Street fighter could beat everyone in the Dragonball series.(remeber that Street fighte is one series I think) ???

Tidus2K2

06-17-2002, 10:01 PM

My Bad. It's the manga. SF will win but db will put up a great fight.

ChampionX

06-17-2002, 10:06 PM

Sf characters doesn't have that much dissapearing abilities .........

Dbz characters can dissapear ........they have more attacks than sf characters ...........

Sf wont stand a chance ..thats just impossible ..and there is no Doubt.

SBYRD5

06-17-2002, 10:12 PM

You know my man Ryu could beat most the fighters in the Dragon ball series. :D

ChampionX

06-17-2002, 10:15 PM

keep dreaming .

SBYRD5

06-17-2002, 10:15 PM

Hmm good point i'll think about that.
HOLD ON AKUMA CAN DISAPPEAR SO CAN M.BISON<AND DALSHAISM!! ;)

SBYRD5

06-17-2002, 10:17 PM

you know Ryu's move and Goku's signuture move are the same with differnt names.??? :0

Roll

06-18-2002, 05:48 AM

[quote:post_uid4]Dbz characters can dissapear ........[/quote:post_uid4]
Oh my god.... they disappear to your eyes, they don't literally disappear. I think I mispelled Disappear though....

[quote:post_uid4]they have more attacks than sf characters ...........[/quote:post_uid4]
Wow, they do? I dunno... I mean, following PrinceVegetam's post (thank god he posted...) and Tarkan's post (same as the other parenthesis) some moves have requirements to do them, some of which, they may not have time to get, or they might have them.
SF Characters also have plenty more attacks, but I haven't seen much manga, so I can't realy tell you much about them in there. ;)

[quote:post_uid4]you know Ryu's move and Goku's signuture move are the same with differnt names.??? [/quote:post_uid4]
Did you know you said the most obvious thing?

Nantuko Joe

06-18-2002, 10:32 AM

I have not read all nine pages, but this is what I think:

EDIT: N/M I just saw the on the ground part. Street Fighter for sure, because first of all, Any smart DB character (if there are any... j/k) wouldn't blow up the earth if they were standing on it. And Street Fighter Characters got Ground Hypers/specials/supers that they can use. some can teleport (and still stay on the ground), while others can shoot huge fireballs, and others use their speed to finish off there opponents. They just have the advantage on the ground.
*That is from page 1

Actually, Furiza planned to blow up Planet Namek, because he can breathe in space. As far as Ground Hypers/specials/supers go, DBZ characters can take out any SF character. Teleportation? Nothing is better than Goku's Shunkan Idou and Janemba's "Cube Fade" teleportation. And about your saying that street fighter characters "can shoot huge fireballs, and others use their speed to finish off their opponents," goes, have you ever heard of Goku's Kamehameha wave? Vegeta's Final Flash? Piccolo's Makankosappo?

It's just funny how people like to exaggerate the DB characters. Cell can't go fast the the speed of light, SSJ2 Gohan can't go fast than the speed of light. only people as strong as SSJ Gotenks and up can go faster than the speed of light. Some DB characters can't blow up the earth. Krillin for example can't, he has a lot of chi, but not enough to destroy the earth(he can destroy a huge portion of the earth though).

Tarkan, if Radditsu can go speed of light, then Cell most definately can. Remember when Radditsu dodged Piccolo's Makankosappo? Piccolo said, "That's impossible. He can move faster than light." Sure, Kuririn can't blow up earth, but I'll bet that Tenshinhan during the Cell Saga could come damn close if he wanted to.

To conclude, I'd like to say that Furiza Form 1, with a power level of 530,000, could easily destroy a planet. At the end of DBZ, most of the major characters had a power level of around 300-500 million. I sincerely doubt that a Street Fighter character could come anywhere close to destorying a planet. Also, with the speed and skills of the DBZ characters, they would reign supreme over SF.

However, if it is as the Title of the Topic says, and we're comparing Street Fighter to regular old Dragonball (when Goku was a kid), then Street Fighter would kick DB ass

Roll

06-18-2002, 12:36 PM

Super Ryu

06-18-2002, 02:28 PM

Dragonball would definetly win the only person from sf that might actually manage a minitue is ryu

ChampionX

06-18-2002, 03:35 PM

OH yes yes I remember

Majin Buu can beat Sf without even tryinig his best.....

princevegetam

06-18-2002, 05:25 PM

Ok I repeat. Sf would win, because they are smart enough to not destroy planets. :p @ Nantuko Joe

btw: SF doesn't have power levels. So it would be impossible to say if they were stronger. And Sf characters can move around those blasts. Anyone can do that.
roll: that's stupid. dbz characters are not dumb. martial artists need to be smart to fight. fighting requires brains too. they only make goku sometimes look dumb for humour purposes.
if you're not mature enough to handle this debate then leave.

nankuto: if raditz could move at the speed of light and goku said that his instant transmission thing also moves that the speed of light, then wouldn't that be contradicting it self. then why would goku use instant transmission at all many times during his fight with cell.

tarkan: if piccolo can only regenerate if his head is intact, then how would you explain cell's regenerations(from one cell, and surviving goku's kamehameha in the face) considering that cell got his DNA from piccolo. yes, kaioken decreases power, but it's the power for that instant that counts. plus, that spirit bomb doesn't necessarily need powers from living things. it can just draw power from a black hole or supernova(no one can survive getting sent into a supernova or black hole). ryu's dark hadou has never been confirmed that it is unlimited. there is also no confirmation about how limited it is therefore, it is not valid proof. if you always say sf characters own dbz, name a few.

i now persent another fact for you to analyze. many times, the dbz characters have been able to send others through mountains and deep into the earth. and many times, those characters being crushed have survived. which sf character can do the same thing or take the same punishment.

ZeroEna

06-18-2002, 07:20 PM

princevegetam

06-18-2002, 07:33 PM

plz, don't be ridiculous. you should know your dbz before posting. gohan is CERTAINLY NOT the strongest saiyan. he just has his hidden powers, which were unleashed by that mystic thing. even that was not enough to stop buu. in the end, it was goku's spirit bomb that destroyed buu. and would you like to prove how ryu, ken and akumma can give that damange and how akuma can take that damage. i can prove that dbz characters can take and give that damage cause it happens in the manga and anime.

SBYRD5

06-18-2002, 07:33 PM

You forgot the fat guy with a sword yaj something.
Wait were talking about the dragon ball series?? :0

TarkanX

06-18-2002, 07:40 PM

*looks at agenda*

oy man these people will never give up....

DBZ will murk SF. I don't want to argue because it's way to obvious.

Tell me how its obvious? You cant say how it's obvious, you need reasoning.

Look Street fighter could beat everyone in the Dragonball series.(remeber that Street fighte is one series I think)

Not all SF characters can beat DB characters.

Sf characters doesn't have that much dissapearing abilities .........

Dbz characters can dissapear ........they have more attacks than sf characters ...........

DB characters don't disappear, they just move faster than the human eye can see(only the top DB characters). And your right about DB having more moves, but SF has more signature moves(hadouken, shoryuken, etc...)

Some SF characters move just as fast as DB characters(oro, akuma)

Sf wont stand a chance ..thats just impossible ..and there is no Doubt.

Again you exaggerate the DB characters and de-exaggerate SF characters. Some SF characters would own the DB characters(for like the 5th time I said it).

You know my man Ryu could beat most the fighters in the Dragon ball series

....That's not true, The DB characters would own ryu, but ryu "might" stand a chance against Yamucha. But if Ryu were to turn into evil ryu, ryu would own many DB characters.

Hmm good point i'll think about that.
HOLD ON AKUMA CAN DISAPPEAR SO CAN M.BISON

Akuma and Bison don't disappear, they teleport, disappearing is when you cloak yourself, and no one can see you, you dont travel when you disappear. The only SF character that can dissapear is twelve.

you know Ryu's move and Goku's signuture move are the same with differnt names.???

No they are both different moves. shinkuu hadouken is ryu's, and the kamehameha is goku's. shinkuu hadouken is like an orb the size of ryu's hip, to ryu's neck, and the width of ryu's shoulder to ryus other shoulder. The kamehameha is much bigger.

Actually, Furiza planned to blow up Planet Namek, because he can breathe in space.

True

As far as Ground Hypers/specials/supers go, DBZ characters can take out any SF character.

Nope.....

Teleportation? Nothing is better than Goku's Shunkan Idou and Janemba's "Cube Fade" teleportation.

Janemba isnt in the manga so he doesn't count.

And about your saying that street fighter characters "can shoot huge fireballs, and others use their speed to finish off their opponents," goes, have you ever heard of Goku's Kamehameha wave? Vegeta's Final Flash? Piccolo's Makankosappo

its kamehameha, not kamehameha wave, that proves you watch the dubbie show. vegetas final flash wouldve destroyed the earth, but he was aiming at sell. I doubt piccolos makankosappo would destroy the earth. It just pierces through the opponent. And Gokus kamehameha could destroy the earth at the time when he was in the Freiza saga.

Tarkan, if Radditsu can go speed of light, then Cell most definately can. Remember when Radditsu dodged Piccolo's Makankosappo? Piccolo said, "That's impossible. He can move faster than light." Sure, Kuririn can't blow up earth, but I'll bet that Tenshinhan during the Cell Saga could come damn close if he wanted to.

Raditz can't go at the speed of light. Piccolo never mentions Raditz going at the speed of light, he just says he moves way faster than us( us meaning piccolo and goku).

When Raditz dodged the makankosappo, piccolo didn't say that was impossible, he said "damn" because he charged up so much energy, and wasted most of it. Piccolo doesn't say raditz can move faster than light. No one except SSJ Gotenks and above is recognized to be faster than the speed of light.

No Tenshinhan can't blow up the earth, even with the shink kikohou, when at his max, he can't blow up the earth, just mountains.

True, but thats freizas max, freiza can't ever go max or he'll kill himself due to the stress.

[quote]At the end of DBZ, most of the major characters had a power level of around 300-500 million.

actually most of the major characters have a PL over one billion.

I sincerely doubt that a Street Fighter character could come anywhere close to destorying a planet. Also, with the speed and skills of the DBZ characters, they would reign supreme over SF

A SF character doesn't have to destroy a planet to beat a DB character. Ryu fought Hugo, and Hugo's strength is way higher than ryu's, but ryu still beat him. hugo even survived a shin shoryuken, and shrugged it off after he was hit with it.

Some of the most powerful SF characters move just as fast as the DB characters, and the probably have just the same, if not, more skill than the DB characters.

However, if it is as the Title of the Topic says, and we're comparing Street Fighter to regular old Dragonball (when Goku was a kid), then Street Fighter would kick DB ass

When I say DB, I mean DB in general, Do I have to say DBZ? I listen to the manga, the manga says Dragon Ball, in the Buu saga, the cover says Dragon Ball, not Dragon Ball Z.

btw: SF doesn't have power levels. So it would be impossible to say if they were stronger. And Sf characters can move around those blasts. Anyone can do that.

SF characters do have PL's, just not in terms of DB wise.

Some SF characters can't move around blasts by DB characters, Look at when Gohan and Krillin fought Goldo, Gohans bad accuracy kept making Goldo flying, and Goldo was on the run, but Goldo isn't that fast.

Dragonball would definetly win the only person from sf that might actually manage a minitue is ryu

Don't act like an idiot... Like I said before some SF characters would own the DB"Z" characters. Ryu is no where near the strongest SF character.

nankuto: if raditz could move at the speed of light and goku said that his instant transmission thing also moves that the speed of light, then wouldn't that be contradicting it self. then why would goku use instant transmission at all many times during his fight with cell.

Goku's intaneous movement teleports him, he doesn't have to move, he just "teleports"

tarkan: if piccolo can only regenerate if his head is intact, then how would you explain cell's regenerations(from one cell, and surviving goku's kamehameha in the face) considering that cell got his DNA from piccolo.

Cell doesn't have a soul, Piccolo does, and Piccolo is being, but so is Cell, Cell is both android, and bio at the same time, you have to completely destroy him like Buu.

yes, kaioken decreases power, but it's the power for that instant that counts. plus, that spirit bomb doesn't necessarily need powers from living things. it can just draw power from a black hole or supernova(no one can survive getting sent into a supernova or black hole).

yes the kaio-kens power used that instant counts, and Kaio-sama(king Kai) stated that the spirit bomb needs powers from living things, like water, animals, people, etc...

ryu's dark hadou has never been confirmed that it is unlimited. there is also no confirmation about how limited it is therefore, it is not valid proof. if you always say sf characters own dbz, name a few.

I didn't say it was unlimited, I just said Evil Ryu can beat many DB"Z" characters. And I said some SF characters, and I'll gladly name some, and how they would own them.

Akuma: Akuma can destroy mountains, using the kongou kokuretsuzan technique. The Kongou koku retsuzan only takes a few seconds to be charged, and used. the power is gathered from the heavens. So if Akuma uses the kongou kokuretsuzan against Gokus stomach, Goku = R.I.P. any form of Goku can goku would die. But saying this is a ground battle since Akuma can't fly, but he can jump very high.

The Shun Goku Satsu(raging demon) destroys the soul. If you get in a shun goku satsu, opponent= R.I.P. The Shun Goku satsu is too fast, and saying this is a ground battle, it's going to catch goku if its a hand to hand combat fight.

The Tenshou Kareki Jin can destroy a huge ship in one attack. It's not as strong as kongou kokuretsuzan, but more than enough to kill Goku.

Akuma can stay under water for days, he can stay as deep as 3,000 feet below sea level. I don't see any DB"Z" character staying in that long. Goku can only stay underwater for about 5 minutes tops. Akuma can sink an Island with one blow.

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Gill: Gill has so much power, he has the powers of fire and ice. he can control fire and ice anywhere, so Gill can freeze your ass or burn it from thousands of miles away from where you're at. Gill can bring fire and ice out of the heavens, Gill can change the temperature by making it really cold, or really hot, and Goku is like any above average human when it comes to temperature.

Gill's Seraphic Wing destroys anything in site. You'll disinigrate(sp?) is you are in range of it. Gill grows angel wings(angels represent god-like powers), Gill can fly with angel wings, and much better than the DB characters fly.

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Oro: Oro 's variable kishin Riki lifts people up to the skies(clouds) from ground level, and drops them like a nuke.

Oro's tengou stone lifts up any debree in the world, and he can control it. Oro can lift huge things with his psychic powers, he can even lift up people!

Oro's variable Yagyou Dama is so Huge that it's almost as Huge as the Genki-dama thrown at Freiza. The varable Yagyou Dama sucks you in, so theres no escape from it.

Oro has lived to be 150 years old which is a really high feet. Krillin at the end of DB"Z" is in his late 40's-early 50's and already has grey hair growing, that shows he getting old. Oro can fly like and DB"Z" character can.

Oro can move so fast, that super strong humans like Yamucha, or Krillin, when they move is only slow motion in Oro's eyes.

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Shin Bison: Shin Bison has huge psychic powers, he can fly as good as any DB"Z" character can, and maybe even better, Bison has powered up ki like the DB"Z" characters.

Bison can teleport anywhere in the world, and his psycho crusher is so devastating that it kills above average humans.

Bison has all the the negative energy from people in the world, and put into him. Now the farmer which is a regular human, his PL is 5, now every human has negative energy in himself, now lets say 2 of is levels are negative, and theres 6 billion people in the world. 6 billion times 2 = 12 billion, so add 12 billion to bisons standard PL, and you got a super strong character.

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Twelve: Twelve is like Buu basically. twelve can turn his hands and feet into weapons like an axe, knives, needles, etc... Twelve can disappear, so you can't see him, and since twelve was created, he doesn't have ki, so you can't sense where twelve is.

Twelve can fly, but not as good as the DB"Z" characters can, Twelve doesn't take damage if you punch or kick him, only ki power can damage him. Twelve can split himself, strech himself from every part of his body(so if your 1,000 miles away, he'll grab you). Twelve can turn into his opponents and use the opponents attacks(but if he turns into goku, he cant use the genki-dama).

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Evil Ryu: Evil Ryu can destroy osuld using the shun goku satsu, and teleport, but thats the super natural powers he has.

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i now persent another fact for you to analyze. many times, the dbz characters have been able to send others through mountains and deep into the earth. and many times, those characters being crushed have survived. which sf character can do the same thing or take the same punishment

No, there was never a time where a DB character was sent through a mountain, or deep into the earth, the just fought in mountain sides, but this is all the manga.

SBYRD5

06-18-2002, 07:52 PM

So street fighter would crush dragon ball the series then ''I told you guys" :D

Yes Street Fighter is one series sorry about that.
But Piccolo can increase his size. I know this because I saw the last episodes of Dragon Ball on Black Market. :p

TarkanX

06-18-2002, 08:04 PM

Akuma could give and take that damage. Ryu and Ken could definatly give that damage. They could also beat most of the DB too like Kurillin,Yamcha,Tien,maybe Piccolo,Goten,Trunks(little kid) and everone from both series could beat Hurcule a.k.a. Mr. Satain he's so weak it's pathetic. LOL*

Akuma yes, but Ryu and Ken, unless Ryu went into evil ryu, Ryu and Ken would have it hard. Ryu and Ken cant beat trunks, goten, piccolo or Tien. They "might" have a chance against Krillin or Yamucha. And Yeah every SF chartacter can beat Mr. Satan, any SF character can beat his daughter too.

But no one I mean no one from either series can beat Gohan he's the strongest natural Saiyan that's without fuseing. but it would probobly be a draw between the two after all the thinking and stuff it all boils down to they are equal. So there.

Actually some SF characters can beat Gohan.

plz, don't be ridiculous. you should know your dbz before posting. gohan is CERTAINLY NOT the strongest saiyan.

When the Buu saga ends, Gohan is the strongest Saiya-jin not counting fusion. All of Gohans power was unleashed by the rou dai kaioshin, so he cant get any stronger anymore, but DB"Z" ends 10 years after the Buu saga, and Goku trained that time, so Goku might have passed Gohan.

SSJ3 Goku whether dead or alive said he didn't stand a chance against any super buu, so any super buu would beat goku in the ground, but he could beat kid buu. Mystic Gohan(gohan with all his potential). It was enough to stomp down Super Buu with goten, trunks, and piccolo, but faltered against Super Buu with piccolo and gotenks.

So SSJ2 Vegeta in the buu saga would get whipped by any form of Buu, even the weakest which is good buu.

he just has his hidden powers, which were unleashed by that mystic thing. even that was not enough to stop buu. in the end, it was goku's spirit bomb that destroyed buu.

Gokus genki-dama only destroyed kid buu which is not the strongest buu, and kid buu held off the genki-dama but kaio-bito(kibito and east kaioshin together) wished that goku would get more energy, so goku got more energy and killed kid buu. Here is the order from strongest Buu to weakest:

Super Buu(with piccolo, goten, trunks, and gohan
Super Buu(with Gotenks, and piccolo)
Super Buu(with goten, trunks, and piccolo)
Buff Buu(never seen in the manga)
Super Buu
Kid Buu
Fat Buu
Evil Buu
Good Buu

You forgot the fat guy with a sword yaj something.
Wait were talking about the dragon ball series??

We were talking about Dragon Ball in general, so DB, and DB"Z"

TarkanX

06-18-2002, 08:07 PM

So street fighter would crush dragon ball the series then ''I told you guys"

I wouldn't say crush, it'd be a good fight, but SF would win.

Yes Street Fighter is one series sorry about that.
But Piccolo can increase his size. I know this because I saw the last episodes of Dragon Ball on Black Market.

Piccolo can increase his size, but it wouldn't make much of a difference. Since Piccolo didn't get much of a power up after increaing his size. This is in the manga.

SBYRD5

06-18-2002, 08:16 PM

Darn i tried to show smarts.
OH what about The turtle hermets 100% kamehamha wave,
OOOHH Goku's UZURA FORM too.
Dude I rock. :0 :D

TarkanX

06-18-2002, 08:56 PM

Darn i tried to show smarts.
OH what about The turtle hermets 100% kamehamha wave,
OOOHH Goku's UZURA FORM too

Yes Kamesennins full powered kamehameha(not kamehameha wave stop calling it that) destroyed the moon, but the moon is little in comparison with the earth.

And Oozaru form powers you up 10x from what you originally were at. But still the SF characters would dominate.

SBYRD5

06-18-2002, 09:34 PM

Well you know your stuff(trump card)
Vegeta was around then too.
just in space. Also vegeta was way stronger than goku then
his UZUARU would of dominated so there.
I've made a break through!!! :p

So in the end DB would win..... ;)

P.S Your going to say why would vegeta help Goku we'll back then they were on the same team once goku was defeated the ship would send his report to all the remaining saiyians.
Oh and Planet vegeta didn't blow up as soon as goku left but while he was away. (BIGGEST TRUMP CARD) Freaiza would of came to earth if vegeta was killed because they were on the same team. (Understand) :p , Oh how many moons are there?

TarkanX

06-18-2002, 10:23 PM

Vegeta was around then too.
just in space. Also vegeta was way stronger than goku then
his UZUARU would of dominated so there

true...

I've made a break through!!!

You don't have to feel glad of yourself after you debate in each post.

So in the end DB would win.....

no....

P.S Your going to say why would vegeta help Goku we'll back then they were on the same team once goku was defeated the ship would send his report to all the remaining saiyians.

Okay I don't understand what your saying here.

Oh and Planet vegeta didn't blow up as soon as goku left but while he was away. (BIGGEST TRUMP CARD)

Planet Vegeta did blow up as soon as Goku left.

Freaiza would of came to earth if vegeta was killed because they were on the same team. (Understand) , Oh how many moons are there?

I still don't understand what your saying, but no Freiza wouldn't of known about earth, he knew about earth in his fight against goku when goku kept talking about earth to freiza.

There is only one moon on earth.

SBYRD5

06-19-2002, 10:11 AM

Tarkan X there is two moons or someone one time most of wished it back. Because the Turtle hermet and Piccolo blowed up the moon in the Z series and manga DB series.

O.k. this subject is getting boring to me now so I'll state a few more reasons.1) The sayians were scooters which aslo work as phones or long distance radios. Frazia owned the planet vegeta.2) An if you are a true fan of both shows you would of notice in the Z series during the "Frazia Saga" The flash back episodes of planet vegeta on Namek. Right before Frezia killed Vegeta(the sayian) Vegeta told Goku about how "Planet Vegeta" was taken over by Frezia.

Look what I meant when I said "Frezia would of came to earth" is if Vegeta was defeated( oh and that sayian Nappa) by the Street Fighters. Vegeta would of done the same as Raditza(Goku's brother) when he was defeated.(Send for help)

Nantuko Joe

06-19-2002, 10:17 AM

nankuto: if raditz could move at the speed of light and goku said that his instant transmission thing also moves that the speed of light, then wouldn't that be contradicting it self. then why would goku use instant transmission at all many times during his fight with cell.

Goku's Shukan Idou (ie. Instantaneous Movement, Instant Transmission) does not move at the speed of light. The Shukan Idou is "instant", as in the precise moment he disappears, he immediately appears exactly where he wanted to go. Light takes about 8 minutes to reach earth from the sun. However, if there was a person on the sun, then Goku could teleport to him immediately.

plz, don't be ridiculous. you should know your dbz before posting. gohan is CERTAINLY NOT the strongest saiyan. he just has his hidden powers, which were unleashed by that mystic thing

princevegeta, you're wrong, sorry. Gohan's hidden powers were unleashed by Android #16's death at the hands of Cell. It was that hidden power being unleashed that allowed Gohan to go Super Saiya-jin Level 2. The Mystic form was a power-up provided by the Rou Dai Kaioshin (the little old guy on East Kaioshin's planet). That form allowed Gohan to surpass his own limitations, but because he did that he was unable to go SSJ from that point on.

its kamehameha, not kamehameha wave, that proves you watch the dubbie show.

yes, I also watch the crappy American version so i can look for the many, many discrepancies between the American and Japanese version. The "wave" part kind of got stuck in my head. And look at it this way: at least I didn't call the Shukan Idou "Instant Transmission".

actually most of the major characters have a PL over one billion

There's no way anyone went over 1 billion. Considering the rate that DBZ characters grow, I'd have to say that the singlemost strongest DBZ character that ever existed was when Goku and Vegeta fused to form Vegetto, and I believe that Vegetto had a PL of around 600 million.

Janemba isnt in the manga so he doesn't count.

Fine. I'll instead say Kibit's Kai Kai (Instantaneous Movement)

Raditz can't go at the speed of light. Piccolo never mentions Raditz going at the speed of light, he just says he moves way faster than us( us meaning piccolo and goku).

Yes, he does! He says, "He...he dodged it. He can move faster than the speed of light." or something along those lines.

SF has more signature moves(hadouken, shoryuken, etc...)

I've got a list rightin front of me that has around 50 of DBZ's signature moves, and I can think of more. Besides, are you saying that just because SF has "signature" moves, that their moves are better than DBZ moves?

But Piccolo can increase his size

Yes, but when he does, he doesn't get any stronger. His power level stays the same.

All of Gohans power was unleashed by the rou dai kaioshin, so he cant get any stronger anymore

See my post regarding princevegetam's comment

Oh and Planet vegeta didn't blow up as soon as goku left but while he was away

SBYRD5, do you know ANYTHING about DBZ? Planet Vegeta was destroyed about five minutes after Goku was sent to Earth.

And Oozaru form powers you up 10x from what you originally were at. But still the SF characters would dominate.

Tarkan, let's pretend that at the end of DBZ, Goku (or any living Saiya-jin) still had their tail and went Ozourou. You're seriously telling me that SF would win?

that spirit bomb doesn't necessarily need powers from living things. it can just draw power from a black hole or supernova

Ummm....noooo.... The Spirit Bomb draws energy from all organic life, all living things. It cannot draw energy form a black hole or supernova. Where do you come up with this stuff?

As far as Ground Hypers/specials/supers go, DBZ characters can take out any SF character.

Nope.....

Name some SF special/super that could take out a powerful DBZ character using a special/super of his/her own.

To conclude, I'd like to say that Furiza Form 1, with a power level of 530,000 could easily destroy a planet.

True, but thats freizas max, freiza can't ever go max or he'll kill himself due to the stress

Furiza was not at his max when he used his Death Ball. When he blew up Planet Vegeta, did it look like he was really trying? He was laughing casually as he was charging the thing.

Akuma: Akuma can destroy mountains, using the kongou kokuretsuzan technique. The Kongou koku retsuzan only takes a few seconds to be charged, and used. the power is gathered from the heavens. So if Akuma uses the kongou kokuretsuzan against Gokus stomach, Goku = R.I.P. any form of Goku can goku would die. But saying this is a ground battle since Akuma can't fly, but he can jump very high.

The Shun Goku Satsu(raging demon) destroys the soul. If you get in a shun goku satsu, opponent= R.I.P. The Shun Goku satsu is too fast, and saying this is a ground battle, it's going to catch goku if its a hand to hand combat fight.

The Tenshou Kareki Jin can destroy a huge ship in one attack. It's not as strong as kongou kokuretsuzan, but more than enough to kill Goku.

Akuma can stay under water for days, he can stay as deep as 3,000 feet below sea level. I don't see any DB"Z" character staying in that long. Goku can only stay underwater for about 5 minutes tops. Akuma can sink an Island with one blow.

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Gill: Gill has so much power, he has the powers of fire and ice. he can control fire and ice anywhere, so Gill can freeze your ass or burn it from thousands of miles away from where you're at. Gill can bring fire and ice out of the heavens, Gill can change the temperature by making it really cold, or really hot, and Goku is like any above average human when it comes to temperature.

Gill's Seraphic Wing destroys anything in site. You'll disinigrate(sp?) is you are in range of it. Gill grows angel wings(angels represent god-like powers), Gill can fly with angel wings, and much better than the DB characters fly.

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Oro: Oro 's variable kishin Riki lifts people up to the skies(clouds) from ground level, and drops them like a nuke.

Oro's tengou stone lifts up any debree in the world, and he can control it. Oro can lift huge things with his psychic powers, he can even lift up people!

Oro's variable Yagyou Dama is so Huge that it's almost as Huge as the Genki-dama thrown at Freiza. The varable Yagyou Dama sucks you in, so theres no escape from it.

Oro has lived to be 150 years old which is a really high feet. Krillin at the end of DB"Z" is in his late 40's-early 50's and already has grey hair growing, that shows he getting old. Oro can fly like and DB"Z" character can.

Oro can move so fast, that super strong humans like Yamucha, or Krillin, when they move is only slow motion in Oro's eyes.

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Shin Bison: Shin Bison has huge psychic powers, he can fly as good as any DB"Z" character can, and maybe even better, Bison has powered up ki like the DB"Z" characters.

Bison can teleport anywhere in the world, and his psycho crusher is so devastating that it kills above average humans.

Bison has all the the negative energy from people in the world, and put into him. Now the farmer which is a regular human, his PL is 5, now every human has negative energy in himself, now lets say 2 of is levels are negative, and theres 6 billion people in the world. 6 billion times 2 = 12 billion, so add 12 billion to bisons standard PL, and you got a super strong character.

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Twelve: Twelve is like Buu basically. twelve can turn his hands and feet into weapons like an axe, knives, needles, etc... Twelve can disappear, so you can't see him, and since twelve was created, he doesn't have ki, so you can't sense where twelve is.

Twelve can fly, but not as good as the DB"Z" characters can, Twelve doesn't take damage if you punch or kick him, only ki power can damage him. Twelve can split himself, strech himself from every part of his body(so if your 1,000 miles away, he'll grab you). Twelve can turn into his opponents and use the opponents attacks(but if he turns into goku, he cant use the genki-dama).

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Evil Ryu: Evil Ryu can destroy osuld using the shun goku satsu, and teleport, but thats the super natural powers he has.

Akuma: It is true what you say about the Kongou Kokuretsuzan. However, if Goku can simply pull off a Shukan Idou to teleport behind Akuma and Kame Hame Ha his ass.

You got me with the Shun Goku Satsu. I have to admit, any DBZ character would fall before it.

As far as the Tenshou Kareki Jin goes, sure, it could destroy a ship. But if you pit that against a Kame Hame Ha (which could destroy a planet), do you really think Akuma would still win?

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Gill: As far as the fire and ice thing goes, if he freezes Goku, he could simply power out of it using a Kaio-ken attack. Although I know it is just filler, I can say that he did the same thing in Movie #2: The World's strongest man. And Goku can take the heat. Remember when Furiza blasted Goku into the lava? Goku still survived, did he not?

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Oro: Kishin Riki can lift them and drop them, but what good does that do against characters that can fly?

The Tengou stone can lift debris (if thats what you meant by debree), but a well-aimed laser blast could destroy it.

Yagyao Dama could suck you in, yes, but isn't it possible for a DBZ character to use a blast of his own to destroy it?

So what if Oro is 150 years old? Kame-sennin is over 300.

Speed is nothing to worry about for the stronger members of DBZ. Sure, he could take out the humans, but I doubt he could use speed as an advantage against the stronger DBZ fighters.

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Bison: Sure he can teleport anywhere in the world, and a Psycho Crusher can kill above average humans, but I'm going to have to say that all of the Z fighters are just a wee-bit stronger than above-average humans.

Yes, Bison can absorb negative energy, but a Genki Dama can absorb positive energy.

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Twelve: If he's like Buu, than he can be defeated.

If you wrote all that supporting SF characters and their attacks, then look at this:

Goku: First off, his normal form is kinda powerful, but with three Super Saiy-ajin forms, he can transform until he's powerful enough to defeat his opponent.

Goku has the Kaio-ken, which can boost his already SSJ-boosted power.

Goku has the Shukan Idou, which means that he can immediately teleport away from a laser blast and counterattack.

Goku has the Kame Hame Ha, which is one of the most powerful attacks in the series, and he also has the Genki Dama, which will destroy anything with an "evil" ki.

And let's not forget about the Ryuken (Dragon Punch)

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Vegeta: He's got two Super Saiya-jin forms behind him, and he's arrogant. He won't give up in a fight unless he's dead. He's got the Final Flash and the Big Bang attack. The Final Flash is a whole lot stronger than the Kame Hame Ha. However, his arrogance makes him make mistakes, and he could easily underestimate his oppponents.

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Gotenks: At Super Saiya-jin 3 level, Gotenks would pretty much dominate the field. With attacks like Gekitotsu Ultra Buu Buu Volley Ball, Shine Shine Missile Barrage, and Super Ghost Kamikaze attack, he could easily prolly take out anyone.

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Piccolo: Though he's real weak compared to the Saiya-jins, Piccolo has two key attacks: the Makankosappo and the Renzoku Senkoudan. We all know what the Makankosappo is, and the Senkoudan is an attack that surrounds the opponent with hundreds of ki packets, which then converge and hit the target simultaneously.

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Vegetto: Easily the most powerful character ever to grace DBZ, Vegetto not only is powerful, but has ALL of Goku and Vegeta's attacks.

Roll

06-19-2002, 10:38 AM

1- you repeated what Tarkan said, but you were VERY mean about it.

2-If we pretended that it some living saiya jin still had their tail, then we would be going out of bounds in this topic, because no one kept their tails. But please do tell your reasons.

SBYRD5

06-19-2002, 10:39 AM

Nantuko Joe

06-19-2002, 11:02 AM

Joe YOU SUCK simply put.Ok look Vegetto is not the strongest Fusion Dummie it really is Goku's Fusion with the enternal Dragon with a Power level over 1.5 Billion.

P.S and next is Gogeta you sad person..... From the fusion Dance. Now who is a novice??? :p

Roll I'm sorry but your wrong but your a nice person so I won't be mean about it.
Look Goku and Vegeta both grow back there tails and Vegeta is first to turn GOLDEN UZARU really secound only to Gogeta.
This is in the GT series check it out "Joe the Novice" :p
(AND WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DB SERIES JOE)
What? You moron, Dragonball GT is not part of Dragonball! DBGT was not from a manga! It is not an official series! Even Tarkan will agree with me. DBGT was made by an outside party who wanted to continue the DB"Z" phenomena. It was not approved by Toriyama, it merely used Characters from the DB"Z" series!

You cannot say that Goku fused with Shen-long has a power level of any sort, because after the Furiza Saga of DBZ Toriyama did not release any power levels! And neither did the makers of DBGT, so you can't say that he had a power of 1.5 billion!

Therefore, the fusion between Goku and Shen-long is invalid, as is Gogeta, because the only time we are introduced to him is during GT and the movies. And anyone who knows anything about DBZ knows that the movies are merely filler that never happened! So there, YOU are the frigging novice!

Therefore, your statement to Roll is also invalid. In DB"Z", the Saiya-jins DO NOT regrow their tails. Once it's cut off, it's off for good. And it's Ozourou, not Uzaru, and Vegeta was NOT the first to go Golden Ozourou in GT, Goku was! Goku looked at the full earth light and transformed, then transformed into Super Goku 4! Vegeta transformed AFTERWARDS because of the Brute Ray that Buruma made for Vegeta.

So don't call me a dummie, novice, or anything of the sort when it comes to DB"Z", because you really have no idea what you're talking about.

SBYRD5

06-19-2002, 11:05 AM

JOE I'm going to post agian just to make a noob like you angry.

Look when Goku goes level 4 super saiyian his tail grows back.
This form has Black hair red fur around the body this is when Goku learns Black Bomb Kamehama and the amazing Dragon Punch( the strongest move in Dragon Ball Z or GT history)
Vegeta Turns Golden Uzaru when vegeta turns evil again when he is in fested with a weak creature in space.
Vegeta also almost kills Goku at level 3 until Goku turns level 4.
But goku wasn't use to the body an loses to Vegeta.(Vegeta is Golden Uzuaru when he wins) A fool Like you is wondering what is golden uzuaru It's super uzuaru)

SBYRD5

06-19-2002, 11:06 AM

Nantuko Joe

06-19-2002, 11:19 AM

[quote:post_uid13="SBYRD5"]JOE I'm going to post agian just to make a noob like you angry.

Look when Goku goes level 4 super saiyian his tail grows back.
This form has Black hair red fur around the body this is when Goku learns Black Bomb Kamehama and the amazing Dragon Punch( the strongest move in Dragon Ball Z or GT history)
Vegeta Turns Golden Uzaru when vegeta turns evil again when he is in fested with a weak creature in space.
Vegeta also almost kills Goku at level 3 until Goku turns level 4.
But goku wasn't use to the body an loses to Vegeta.(Vegeta is Golden Uzuaru when he wins) A fool Like you is wondering what is golden uzuaru It's super uzuaru) :angry:[/quote:post_uid13]
[color=green:post_uid13][b:post_uid13]WHO THE #### ARE YOU TO CALL ME A NOOB? YOU LITTLE ####![/b:post_uid13]

[b:post_uid13]GET THIS THROUGH YOUR TINY FRIGGING SKULL, YOU LITTLE nOOb: DRAGONBALL GT NEVER HAPPENED! IT IS NOT OFFICIAL! THEREFORE, WHEN TARKANX BROUGHT UP THIS TOPIC AND SAID DB, HE MEANT WHAT WE KNOW AS DB AND DBZ. DBGT IS JUST LIKE AS IF I WROTE A STORY USING CHARACTERS FROM DBZ AND POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET. IT ISN'T REAL![/b:post_uid13]

However, if you [b:post_uid13]DO[/b:post_uid13] want to talk DBGT, then let's do so. When Goku, Trunks, and Pan return from space, they accidentally bring Bebi with them. Bebi infests the minds of many of the earthlings and then enters Vegeta, forming Bebi-Vegeta. During the course of the battle, Super Saiya-jin Level 2 Bebi-Vegeta beats up Super Saiya-jin Level 3 Chibi Goku. The Kaios feed Goku a potion that restores his tail, and Goku then goes and fights some more. He sees the light emitted by the Earth, and goes Golden Ozourou (I [b:post_uid13]DO[/b:post_uid13] know what Golden Ozourou is, you ####### moron. There is no "Super Ozourou"). He rages out-of-control, until Pan allows Goku's mind to take control of his body. Goku then transforms into Super Goku 4 and fights and beats up Bebi-Vegeta. Buruma makes a Brute Ray that allows Vegeta to go Golden Ozourou. However, when Bebi-Vegeta tries to become Super Bebi-Vegeta 4, Bebi (who is inside Vegeta's skull) can't shrink fast enough, and leaves Vegeta and tries to escape in a spaceship, but is destroyed by Super Goku 4's Kamehameha.

And it's "Ryuken", not "Dragon Punch". And he doesn't "learn" it when he goes Super Goku 4, he uses it in "DBZ Movie #13: Dragon Fist Explosion! If Goku Can't, Who Can?" against Hiredugarn.

So don't even think of calling me a noob again, because when it comes to DB"Z""GT", you're a frigging moron.[/color:post_uid13]

SBYRD5

06-19-2002, 11:36 AM

First simple I still know way more than you and were talking about THE BRAGON BALL SERIES NOT Z SERIES MAN YOUR SLOW....NO REAL SLOWWWW :p
P.S I Knew about Bebi stupid.. :angry:
OH and Gogeta and also Goku's fusion with the Eternal Dragon....
Still better...
Including Vegeta's level 4 helped by Bulma :0 ohhhhh!!!!
I'm so better than you....

Nantuko Joe

06-19-2002, 11:53 AM

[quote:post_uid13="SBYRD5"]First simple I still knoe way more than you and were talking about THE BRAGON BALL SERIES NOT Z SERIES MAN YOUR SLOW....NO REAL SLOWWWW :p
P.S I Knew about Bebi stupid.. :angry:
OH and Gogeta also Goku's fusion with the eternal Dragon....
Still better...
Including Vegeta's level 4 helped by Bulma :0 ohhhhh!!!!
I'm so better than you....[/quote:post_uid13]
[color=green:post_uid13]What is "THE BRAGON BALL SERIES"? It's actually "Dragonball". And how many times do i have to say it?

[b:post_uid13]I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DRAGONBALL SERIES, BUT DRAGONBALL GT DOES NOT COUNT! THERE WAS NEVER A MANGA FOR IT! IT WAS NOT CREATED BY THE SAME GUY WHO MADE DRAGONBALL AND DRAGONBALL Z! IT IS JUST LIKE A FAN-FICTION STORY! THEREFORE, ANYTHING PERTAINING TO DRAGONBALL GT IS IRRELEVANT IN THIS CONVERSATION! LOOK AT THE TITLE, IT SAYS "NOT COUNTING GT" AND UNDER IT IT SAYS "AND NOTHING CONTRADICTING THE MANGA" SO GT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE![/b:post_uid13]

And what the hell does[/color:post_uid13]
[quote:post_uid13]OH and Gogeta also Goku's fusion with the eternal Dragon....
Still better...
Including Vegeta's level 4 helped by Bulma :0 ohhhhh!!!!
I'm so better than you....[/quote:post_uid13]
[color=green:post_uid13]mean? learn how to type in normal English. :angry:

Man, I know like a million times more about anything in Dragonball than you do. Hell, you don't even know how to spell the names of characters / items from the series! Here, let's review a post of yours:[/color:post_uid13]

[quote:post_uid13]Tarkan X there is two moons or someone one time most of wished it back. Because the Turtle hermet and Piccolo blowed up the moon in the Z series and manga DB series.

O.k. this subject is getting boring to me now so I'll state a few more reasons.1) The sayians were scooters which aslo work as phones or long distance radios. Frazia owned the planet vegeta.2) An if you are a true fan of both shows you would of notice in the Z series during the "Frazia Saga" The flash back episodes of planet vegeta on Namek. Right before Frezia killed Vegeta(the sayian) Vegeta told Goku about how "Planet Vegeta" was taken over by Frezia.

Look what I meant when I said "Frezia would of came to earth" is if Vegeta was defeated( oh and that sayian Nappa) by the Street Fighters. Vegeta would of done the same as Raditza(Goku's brother) when he was defeated.(Send for help)[/quote:post_uid13]

[color=green:post_uid13]Lemme count off the mistakes:

1)The moon was never wished back. It was a mistake while writing the series.

2)First off, his name is not "the Turtle hermit", you can say it either Kame-sennin or Muten Roshi.

3)You spelled Furiza two different ways, and they're both wrong.

4)Furiza didn't own Planet Vegeta, he hired the Saiya-jins to work for him, and when he thought they got too strong, he killed them all off.

5)You also misspelled "Saiya-jin". It's "Saiya-jin", that's the official name. They only use "Saiyan" in the English Dub.

6)His name it Radditsu, not Raditza.

7)And the only time Furiza was going to come to earth was when he was defeated by Goku on Planet Namek. He was not going to come to earth if Vegeta and Nappa lost to the Z Fighters (not the Street Fighters).

So there. In that one post you made, you made 7 real stupid mistakes in a basic post about DBZ. So who knows more about DB series now, punk?[/color:post_uid13]

SBYRD5

06-19-2002, 01:01 PM

Joe this is fun your still a joke but fun.
Look tails do grow back stupid really.
1)When Goku First transformed in DB series for the first time the cat Puar I believe turned into a pair of scissors and cut off goku's tail.
2)The tail reappeared during the world Martial Arts Tournament
when Goku fought a creature in the tournament that was a Talking dragon or dinosaur with wings.
3)Gohans tail was pulled out by Piccolo when Gohan first transformed.
4) Gohan's tail reappeared when there was a fake moon in the sky. Piccolo pulled it out again.( keep reading please)

SBYRD5

06-19-2002, 01:06 PM

Sorry to post again
5) Ok the next time was when they were fighting vegeta.The tail reappeared and was the cause of vegeta's defeat.(How could you forget that?? Do you watch the DBZ series at all)
6)Vegeta's tail was cut off by the fat guy.(THE REST IS GT)
:p :0

OH sorry with the jokes; Joe chill out you dissed me first.(Think back)

weezer

06-19-2002, 01:47 PM

For your information, Yamucha has great potential, but hasnt trained since Cell died. Like I said Some SF characters would own DB characters. Anime doesn't count. Yes I believe Goku would overkill Ryu, but there are some SF characters that would own the DB characters. And Gokus PL is way higher than that.

Ryu does have potential, the dark hadou, if he taps into this, he'd be able to beat most of the DB characters.
yamcha.....pfft........ and i know gokus pl ia higher than 150,00

Some of the DB characters are human, they just have greater ki than the average human.

no #### sherlock......i put that it would make sense if a sf character fought yamcha......because he's human....

TarkanX

06-19-2002, 01:58 PM

Tarkan X there is two moons or someone one time most of wished it back. Because the Turtle hermet and Piccolo blowed up the moon in the Z series and manga DB series.

there is only one moon. And That was destroyed.

O.k. this subject is getting boring to me now so I'll state a few more reasons.1) The sayians were scooters which aslo work as phones or long distance radios.

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Frazia owned the planet vegeta.2) An if you are a true fan of both shows you would of notice in the Z series during the "Frazia Saga" The flash back episodes of planet vegeta on Namek. Right before Frezia killed Vegeta(the sayian) Vegeta told Goku about how "Planet Vegeta" was taken over by Frezia.

This flash back wasnt in the manga, Vegeta just told Goku how planet Vegeta was destroyed.

Look what I meant when I said "Frezia would of came to earth" is if Vegeta was defeated( oh and that sayian Nappa) by the Street Fighters. Vegeta would of done the same as Raditza(Goku's brother) when he was defeated.(Send for help)

what the hell......

Goku's Shukan Idou (ie. Instantaneous Movement, Instant Transmission) does not move at the speed of light. The Shukan Idou is "instant", as in the precise moment he disappears, he immediately appears exactly where he wanted to go. Light takes about 8 minutes to reach earth from the sun. However, if there was a person on the sun, then Goku could teleport to him immediately.

Goku wouldn't survive the suns heat, and goku teleports, he doesn't disappear, he instantly transports from one place to another. But other than that, it's all true.

princevegeta, you're wrong, sorry. Gohan's hidden powers were unleashed by Android #16's death at the hands of Cell. It was that hidden power being unleashed that allowed Gohan to go Super Saiya-jin Level 2. The Mystic form was a power-up provided by the Rou Dai Kaioshin (the little old guy on East Kaioshin's planet). That form allowed Gohan to surpass his own limitations, but because he did that he was unable to go SSJ from that point on.

Actually Gohan turned SSJ2 in the time room, but it wasn't seen, that's why Goku wanted Gohan to fight Cell, because he saw Gohan go SSJ2, but not for that long. And yes mystic Gohan is gohan with all his power, he cant get any higher than that. And Mystic isn't a form, it's just Gohan with all his power.

yes, I also watch the crappy American version so i can look for the many, many discrepancies between the American and Japanese version. The "wave" part kind of got stuck in my head. And look at it this way: at least I didn't call the Shukan Idou "Instant Transmission".

Okay, yeah I saw that...

There's no way anyone went over 1 billion. Considering the rate that DBZ characters grow, I'd have to say that the singlemost strongest DBZ character that ever existed was when Goku and Vegeta fused to form Vegetto, and I believe that Vegetto had a PL of around 600 million

LMAO, you are still using planet nameks power levels. The Androids PL's from the present time is over 100 million, I'll tell you why.

When in the future, SSJ Trunks fought non-SSJ Gohan with only one arm. SSJ Trunks was sweating like mad, and non-SSJ Gohan was toying with SSJ Trunks. I assume SSJ Trunks is at the same PL as Goku, so lets just say SSJ Goku was at 15 million for the sake of it.

SSJ Trunks: 15 million
non-SSJ Gohan with one arm: 30 million

Gohan then goes to fight android 17, Gohan turns SSJ, and android 17 is only using 50% of is power against Gohan. Now lets say SSJ increases your power by 3x, even though it doesn't. By the way android 17 had an edge, but not by much.

SSJ Gohan with one arm: 90 million
Anroid 17: 95 million

Gohan then trains for a little while, then fights android 17 again, android 17 said he was only using half of his power against Gohan when they fought before, Gohan gets shocked and android 17 kills him.

SSJ Gohan with one arm: 100 million
Anroid 17: 190 million

Now the Androids from the present are twice as strong, yes twice as strong, so:

Android 17: 380 million
Android 18: 360 million

It was stated that android 18 was a bit weaker than 17.

This is all from the manga.

Fine. I'll instead say Kibit's Kai Kai (Instantaneous Movement)

fine.....

Yes, he does! He says, "He...he dodged it. He can move faster than the speed of light." or something along those lines.

He might have said it in the anime, but it's not in the manga, so Raditz doesnt move at the speed of light.

I've got a list rightin front of me that has around 50 of DBZ's signature moves, and I can think of more. Besides, are you saying that just because SF has "signature" moves, that their moves are better than DBZ moves?

Post the list, and no I'm not saying that, I didn't even say that! damn....

Yes, but when he does, he doesn't get any stronger. His power level stays the same

His power level doesnt stay the same, Piccolo stated against Goku that he got stronger when he grew.

See my post regarding princevegetam's comment

I already did, and I posted it first.....

SBYRD5, do you know ANYTHING about DBZ? Planet Vegeta was destroyed about five minutes after Goku was sent to Earth.

Well probably a few minutes after, but it didn't say 5 minutes.

Tarkan, let's pretend that at the end of DBZ, Goku (or any living Saiya-jin) still had their tail and went Ozourou. You're seriously telling me that SF would win?

The only one who would stand a chance would be Gill, since oozaru is crazy.

Ummm....noooo.... The Spirit Bomb draws energy from all organic life, all living things. It cannot draw energy form a black hole or supernova. Where do you come up with this stuff?

The genki-dama does draw energy from all organic life, but it doesnt draw energy from black holes or super novas, Kaio-sama sates this in the manga. The manga is true, the anime is not(most aspects).

Name some SF special/super that could take out a powerful DBZ character using a special/super of his/her own.

I already did:

Gill
Akuma
Shin Bison
Oro
Twelve
Evil Ryu(maybe)

Furiza was not at his max when he used his Death Ball. When he blew up Planet Vegeta, did it look like he was really trying? He was laughing casually as he was charging the thing.

Yes Freiza wasnt at his max, and cant be at his max in form 1 through form 3 because he'll kill himself.

Akuma: It is true what you say about the Kongou Kokuretsuzan. However, if Goku can simply pull off a Shukan Idou to teleport behind Akuma and Kame Hame Ha his ass.

It takes about 5 seconds for a regular kameha meha to be charged(stated), by that time Akuma would teleport to another place in the area.

As far as the Tenshou Kareki Jin goes, sure, it could destroy a ship. But if you pit that against a Kame Hame Ha (which could destroy a planet), do you really think Akuma would still win?

The Tenshou kareki-jin isn't a projectile, so it'd be a mismatch if a non-projectile would face against a projectile.

Gill: As far as the fire and ice thing goes, if he freezes Goku, he could simply power out of it using a Kaio-ken attack. Although I know it is just filler, I can say that he did the same thing in Movie #2: The World's strongest man. And Goku can take the heat. Remember when Furiza blasted Goku into the lava? Goku still survived, did he not?

Goku can't survive the lava, the thing where freiza knocks Goku in the lava never happened.

Oro: Kishin Riki can lift them and drop them, but what good does that do against characters that can fly?

Oro can fly too.

[The Tengou stone can lift debris (if thats what you meant by debree), but a well-aimed laser blast could destroy it.

Oro can lift all the debris in the world, so he'll just throw all of it, yes even boulders at his opponent.

Yagyao Dama could suck you in, yes, but isn't it possible for a DBZ character to use a blast of his own to destroy it?

Yagyou-dama is bigger than almost any DB"Z" characters blasts.

So what if Oro is 150 years old? Kame-sennin is over 300

Kame-sennin whished himself to not age anymore.

Speed is nothing to worry about for the stronger members of DBZ. Sure, he could take out the humans, but I doubt he could use speed as an advantage against the stronger DBZ fighters.

You like to de-exaggerate the SF characters, Oro can't move at the speed of light, but he can move so fast, you don't even see him, just like the DB"Z" anime.

Bison: Sure he can teleport anywhere in the world, and a Psycho Crusher can kill above average humans, but I'm going to have to say that all of the Z fighters are just a wee-bit stronger than above-average humans.

Yes that is true, but Bison has plenty more in his aresenal.

His psycho shot takes a lot of damage, and he can gain control over the opponent.

Yes, Bison can absorb negative energy, but a Genki Dama can absorb positive energy.

It takes a long time before a genki-dama can be charged to be thrown at the opponent. And At that time, Bison would just rush down Goku.

Twelve: If he's like Buu, than he can be defeated.

Twelve, is like Buu, but doesn't feel hurt when he gets punched or kicked at, only ki can hurt him. And Buu was beaten by the genki-dama, which the genki-dama takes a good while to be charged.

Goku: First off, his normal form is kinda powerful, but with three Super Saiy-ajin forms, he can transform until he's powerful enough to defeat his opponent.

SSJ3 drains the life out of you if your alive, but yeah is other 2 SSJ forms are powerful, but the SF characters still have their trump cards.

Goku has the Kaio-ken, which can boost his already SSJ-boosted power

Goku can't use kaio-ken in his SSJ form, he'll die if it was used. Kaio-ken is too much stress and I mean TOO MUCH stress in the body, SSJ forms are stressful as well, and talk about SSJ3, if Goku wants to commit suicide, he'll just use kaio-ken + SSJ.

Goku has the Shukan Idou, which means that he can immediately teleport away from a laser blast and counterattack

True, but he has to fight in the battle some time, since this IS a battle.

Goku has the Kame Hame Ha, which is one of the most powerful attacks in the series, and he also has the Genki Dama, which will destroy anything with an "evil" ki.

The Genki-dama does destroy anything with evil ki. but the genki-dama takes a long time to be charged to be thrown, which at that time, the opponent can rush Goku down. And The Genki-dama is used as a last resort technique. Yes The kamehameha is powerful enough to destroy the earth, and much more, but Goku wouldn't do that, since hed be killing himself, and since this is a battlle, no one would want to risk killing themselves.

And let's not forget about the Ryuken (Dragon Punch)

What part of the Ryuken(not GT) was used in the DB series? Because it wasnt used in the DB"Z" series.

Vegeta: He's got two Super Saiya-jin forms behind him, and he's arrogant. He won't give up in a fight unless he's dead. He's got the Final Flash and the Big Bang attack. The Final Flash is a whole lot stronger than the Kame Hame Ha. However, his arrogance makes him make mistakes, and he could easily underestimate his oppponents.

Yeah final flash can destroy the earth, and maybe big bang, final flash is stronger than the kamehameha.

Gotenks: At Super Saiya-jin 3 level, Gotenks would pretty much dominate the field. With attacks like Gekitotsu Ultra Buu Buu Volley Ball, Shine Shine Missile Barrage, and Super Ghost Kamikaze attack, he could easily prolly take out anyone.

*remembers Gotenks's dumb ass attacks*

SSJ3 drains the energy inside you so it has to be used quickly, and fusion only lasts 30 minutes.

Piccolo: Though he's real weak compared to the Saiya-jins, Piccolo has two key attacks: the Makankosappo and the Renzoku Senkoudan. We all know what the Makankosappo is, and the Senkoudan is an attack that surrounds the opponent with hundreds of ki packets, which then converge and hit the target simultaneously.

Piccolo's makankosappa just pierces through the opponents body, but it's really powerful when it hits, it can kill the opponent, but Piccolo's renzoku senkoudan wouldn't work against Gill since Gill will just create a forcefield around himself.

Vegetto: Easily the most powerful character ever to grace DBZ, Vegetto not only is powerful, but has ALL of Goku and Vegeta's attacks.

Vegeta is easily the best DB"Z" character, but he's still flesh, Gill can take him out.

Joe YOU SUCK simply put.Ok look Vegetto is not the strongest Fusion Dummie it really is Goku's Fusion with the enternal Dragon with a Power level over 1.5 Billion.

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P.S and next is Gogeta you sad person..... From the fusion Dance. Now who is a novice???

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Roll I'm sorry but your wrong but your a nice person so I won't be mean about it.
Look Goku and Vegeta both grow back there tails and Vegeta is first to turn GOLDEN UZARU really secound only to Gogeta

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This is in the GT series check it out "Joe the Novice"
(AND WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DB SERIES JOE)

No offense, and I'm trying to be nice when I say this but, please stop acting stupid, and please don't bring up GT or the movies in this debate.

What? You moron, Dragonball GT is not part of Dragonball! DBGT was not from a manga! It is not an official series! Even Tarkan will agree with me. DBGT was made by an outside party who wanted to continue the DB"Z" phenomena. It was not approved by Toriyama, it merely used Characters from the DB"Z" series!

True

You cannot say that Goku fused with Shen-long has a power level of any sort, because after the Furiza Saga of DBZ Toriyama did not release any power levels! And neither did the makers of DBGT, so you can't say that he had a power of 1.5 billion!

Therefore, the fusion between Goku and Shen-long is invalid, as is Gogeta, because the only time we are introduced to him is during GT and the movies. And anyone who knows anything about DBZ knows that the movies are merely filler that never happened! So there, YOU are the frigging novice!

True

Therefore, your statement to Roll is also invalid. In DB"Z", the Saiya-jins DO NOT regrow their tails. Once it's cut off, it's off for good. And it's Ozourou, not Uzaru, and Vegeta was NOT the first to go Golden Ozourou in GT, Goku was! Goku looked at the full earth light and transformed, then transformed into Super Goku 4! Vegeta transformed AFTERWARDS because of the Brute Ray that Buruma made for Vegeta.

True, but GT is filler so we don't need to go into this.

Look when Goku goes level 4 super saiyian his tail grows back.
This form has Black hair red fur around the body this is when Goku learns Black Bomb Kamehama and the amazing Dragon Punch( the strongest move in Dragon Ball Z or GT history)
Vegeta Turns Golden Uzaru when vegeta turns evil again when he is in fested with a weak creature in space.
Vegeta also almost kills Goku at level 3 until Goku turns level 4.
But goku wasn't use to the body an loses to Vegeta.(Vegeta is Golden Uzuaru when he wins) A fool Like you is wondering what is golden uzuaru It's super uzuaru)

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Joe this is fun your still a joke but fun.
Look tails do grow back stupid really.
1)When Goku First transformed in DB series for the first time the cat Puar I believe turned into a pair of scissors and cut off goku's tail.
2)The tail reappeared during the world Martial Arts Tournament
when Goku fought a creature in the tournament that was a Talking dragon or dinosaur with wings.
3)Gohans tail was pulled out by Piccolo when Gohan first transformed.
4) Gohan's tail reappeared when there was a fake moon in the sky. Piccolo pulled it out again.( keep reading please)

The tails werent permanently removed when before they regrew back.

Sorry to post again
5) Ok the next time was when they were fighting vegeta.The tail reappeared and was the cause of vegeta's defeat.(How could you forget that?? Do you watch the DBZ series at all)
6)Vegeta's tail was cut off by the fat guy.(THE REST IS GT)

Goku only fought Vegeta twice, and the 2nd time vegeta didnt have the tail, and Yajirobe permanently cut off Vegeta's tail.

yamcha.....pfft........ and i know gokus pl ia higher than 150,00

150,00? wtf.... I think you mean 150,000, and Goku has a much higher PL than 150,000.

no #### sherlock......i put that it would make sense if a sf character fought yamcha......because he's human....

maybe not a sf character, but a sf character like Ryu, but Ryu MIGHT be able to beat Yamucha, but Yamucha would have an upper hand IMO, unless Ryu doesn't turn into evil ryu.

DX Zero

06-19-2002, 02:24 PM

oh god.

Roll

06-19-2002, 02:29 PM

1- Wasn't this supposed to be a ground only battle?
2-Piccolo getting bigger would only cause him to get hit easily.
3-The lava thing happened in the anime, but he did not survive (I think... and this could be possible as he could've been wished back by the dragon balls when they wished for everyone that was killed by freeza to be brought back to life...) or maybe he did... I haven't seen that episode in so long...
4-Natuko, most of the mistakes you marked are of Spelling errors. Those aren't stupid mistakes, as some people don't know the right spelling or name of someone. So lay off.
5-Where can I find more info about Gill?

06-19-2002, 02:31 PM

screw this topic ....what a waste time .......no one knows who is stronger .....4get about it damnit.... :angry:

TarkanX

06-19-2002, 02:58 PM

1- Wasn't this supposed to be a ground only battle

Yep but it got changed along the way.

2-Piccolo getting bigger would only cause him to get hit easily

He gets hit easily, but he has more durability, and more power.

3-The lava thing happened in the anime, but he did not survive (I think... and this could be possible as he could've been wished back by the dragon balls when they wished for everyone that was killed by freeza to be brought back to life...) or maybe he did... I haven't seen that episode in so long...

The lava part where Goku gets hit in the anime never happened in the manga, so we don't need to bring this up.

4-Natuko, most of the mistakes you marked are of Spelling errors. Those aren't stupid mistakes, as some people don't know the right spelling or name of someone. So lay off.

Yeah that's true, it doesn't matter how you spell the name unless it's almost accurate, like Goku, Son Goku, Gokuu, Gokou, etc....

5-Where can I find more info about Gill?

I'll PM it to you.

TarkanX

06-19-2002, 03:00 PM

screw this topic ....what a waste time .......no one knows who is stronger .....4get about it damnit....

If you don't like this topic, then don't post here unless you have something to say that relates to this topic.

weezer

06-19-2002, 03:44 PM

well, its true.....there wil never,and i mean NEVER,be such a crossover such as this one.

princevegetam

06-19-2002, 03:52 PM

oh man, i can't believe the load of bull#### i just read. while i was gone for about a day, you guys posted 5 pages of stuff! and tarkan, plz, i don't have a lot of time on my hands, so it's impossible for me to read your long ass posts. the spirit bomb can absorb energy from unnatural objects, because king kai said so when goku first tried the spirit bomb on his planet. he said that the spirit bomb can get energy from the sun and molecules in the air. gohan was not the strongest in dbz because that mystic thing did release his power, but there is no proof that he is the strongest saiyan. and from now on when you guys post something. post something like a source to indicate where you got the info from. like this:

source: dbz manga

TarkanX

06-19-2002, 04:22 PM

well, its true.....there wil never,and i mean NEVER,be such a crossover such as this one.

There have been rumors of a capcom vs. DragonBall.

oh man, i can't believe the load of bull#### i just read. while i was gone for about a day, you guys posted 5 pages of stuff!

It's a debate, so that's what you'll expect.

and tarkan, plz, i don't have a lot of time on my hands, so it's impossible for me to read your long ass posts.

At least I have right grammar, and spelling, and this is a debate so you'll have long ass posts to read(you've never been in a real debat have you...?)

the spirit bomb can absorb energy from unnatural objects, because king kai said so when goku first tried the spirit bomb on his planet. he said that the spirit bomb can get energy from the sun and molecules in the air.

Wow I never thought anyone would remember Goku using the genki-dama on kaio-sama's planet.... Kaio-sama said the genki-dama is gathered from organic matter, yes molecules in the air, and yes the sun.

gohan was not the strongest in dbz because that mystic thing did release his power, but there is no proof that he is the strongest saiyan. and from now on when you guys post something. post something like a source to indicate where you got the info from. like this:

Gohan was the strongest non-fused Saiya-jin at the end of the Buu saga, but not at the end of the whole series. He was able to beat down Super Buu(with Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks), but faltered against Super Buu(with Piccolo, and Gotenks).

SSJ3 Goku said he stood no chance against any form of Super Buu, and SSJ2 Vegeta stood no chance against any form of Buu in the Buu saga. Vegetto is sthe strongest Saiya-jin, but he is fused.

source: Dragon Ball manga

SBYRD5

06-19-2002, 05:00 PM

WOW me and Joe really pumped things up :D
Thanks about the spelling.
Tarkan X your a good guy so I'm not going to kill your theories but Goku has used Keio-Ken while Super Sayian it was level one it was when he was dead. Darn your right he was dead when he used it never mine...

SSJKarma

06-19-2002, 05:25 PM

i got enought of reading by page 10 !

let say this !

genki dama (spirit bomb) can only kill BAD people, remember when gohan rebound it on vegeta cause he was good and goku saying that the spirit bomb wouldn't kill him !

next, roll your wrong, in a fight noe can be dumb cause if it was so you could be beaten even by mr. satan...(who can actually disappear from the humain eye's)

third, the only reason why SF couldn't have any chance is in the fact they DONT use enegy the same way has DBZ chars !

example:
goku can go even faster than anyone else ! bull#### he's using enegy to go at that speed !
vegeta has his final flash ! bull####, he's using energy to do it !

think of it that way, without any energy, DB chars and SF could put a great fight together cause in that case, only the best man could win and surely no one can ever know who could win cause NO movie or manga or even game has been made for that purpose !

the best answer in this case is simply...
I DONT KNOW

if you count energy then DB is simply to strong for SF cause SF use energy to their attack and has unlimited energy to do so (in games) but DBZ has limited energy and they se it to do practily what ever they want from increasing their speed to increasing the might to increasy blast density and blast power. they are just not comparable !

for the Power Levels, dont even think of saying that goku was at 300 millions cause no one know except if you asked akira toriyama cause after the freeza saga no one ever used a scouter ! except when freeza said HE was over a million on his 2nd form, after that it is just not possible to tell Power Level !

roll: if anyone who was killed by freeza were wished back, why does the planet vegeta didn't came back ?

dendy did tell that the dragon isn't bound by any dimension or any TIME !

TarkanX: gohan didn't goe's to SSJ2 until fighting cell (no one ever knew if he had before) the only thing goku knew is that gohan would over pass his limit if he were cornered and had no other choices but going thru !(remember he even doubted gohan after a while cause he THOUGHT gohan could be stronger than him)

for the tail regrown thing, it is true that it regrown after a while but only little gohan had that chance !

example:
when training with piccolo first piccolo letted him live 6 month but in the full moon he transformed into oozaru then piccolo blow the moon and cut the tail of gohan but when fighting again 7 month later when the ship of goku (and it is goku's spacepod) called goku but caught gohan and forced him to transform by recreating a moon (gohan at that time had regrowned his tail)

i agree with tarkan, GT SUCKS, not the same creator so not the same thought so the serie gets biazed !

wooo ! that was long enough, so i'll stop !

SBYRD5

06-19-2002, 05:44 PM

Darn Karma made the best points today besides Tarkan X. ;)

weezer

06-19-2002, 07:04 PM

SBYRD5

06-19-2002, 08:07 PM

[quote:post_uid6="weezer"]dragonballz vs street fighter.....pfft......they're just rumors.....its pure stupidity.....what is it going to be? another fake show like dbgt or a game? Every dbz game on ps sucked major ass unlike the sf games........the only good dbz games were the rpgs on snes.....[/quote:post_uid6]
Sorry but unless your talking about the new "Chicken Whooper"
Your wrong Brother!!! The rpg on snes was good, But there are two more good ones= 1)"Dragon Ball Z Unlimited" and 2)Dragon Ball Final Bout"
Oh and it's Dragon Ball vs Street Fighter. :D

SSJKarma

06-19-2002, 08:16 PM

it would be fun to make a game in mugen and call it that way !

Dragonball Z VS Street Fighters

it could be done easily.
i mean all the techs are very similar.

think ill try, it'll give me something to do ! :D

TarkanX

06-19-2002, 08:38 PM

Tarkan X your a good guy so I'm not going to kill your theories but Goku has used Keio-Ken while Super Sayian it was level one it was when he was dead. Darn your right he was dead when he used it never mine...

The fight with Goku and Paikuhan(Pikkon in dub) never happened, it's not in the manga so it's filler.

genki dama (spirit bomb) can only kill BAD people, remember when gohan rebound it on vegeta cause he was good and goku saying that the spirit bomb wouldn't kill him !

Yes this is true.

next, roll your wrong, in a fight noe can be dumb cause if it was so you could be beaten even by mr. satan...(who can actually disappear from the humain eye's

Mr. Satan can't disappear, he goes as fast as a normal human would except BARELY faster. The part where they showed Mr. Satan beating Supopobitch in the tenkaichi Bodoukai(flash back) isn't seen in the manga. Mr. Satan just says he beat Supopobitchi.

third, the only reason why SF couldn't have any chance is in the fact they DONT use enegy the same way has DBZ chars

You don't need huge blasts to win, and like I said before some SF characters would beat the DB"Z" characters.

example:
goku can go even faster than anyone else ! bull#### he's using enegy to go at that speed !
vegeta has his final flash ! bull####, he's using energy to do it !

final flash is really strong, strong enough to destroy the earth, and By the time Dragon Ball "Z" ends(after the Buu saga), Goku can travel faster than the speed of light.

think of it that way, without any energy, DB chars and SF could put a great fight together cause in that case, only the best man could win and surely no one can ever know who could win cause NO movie or manga or even game has been made for that purpose !

There hasn't been a cross-over between SF and DB, we can only use the SF games, and DB manga as facts. We can also use the capcom company, and Akira Toriyama as facts.

if you count energy then DB is simply to strong for SF cause SF use energy to their attack and has unlimited energy to do so (in games) but DBZ has limited energy and they se it to do practily what ever they want from increasing their speed to increasing the might to increasy blast density and blast power. they are just not comparable !

Yes your right, but Gill has unlimited energy when doing his power, fire and ice, he doesn't have to use an inch of his power to use these techniques.

for the Power Levels, dont even think of saying that goku was at 300 millions cause no one know except if you asked akira toriyama cause after the freeza saga no one ever used a scouter ! except when freeza said HE was over a million on his 2nd form, after that it is just not possible to tell Power Level !

I know Goku wasn't at 300 million, I was giving examples. And I proved that at least one DB character is over 100 million, and even over one billion. And The last PL given was when Trunks was read at 5.

roll: if anyone who was killed by freeza were wished back, why does the planet vegeta didn't came back ?

dendy did tell that the dragon isn't bound by any dimension or any TIME !

You have to be dead within a year for it to work. If your dead for 2 years, and try to get wished back, then your dead forever unless something dramatic happened like when rou dai kaioshin gave his life to Goku's.

TarkanX: gohan didn't goe's to SSJ2 until fighting cell (no one ever knew if he had before) the only thing goku knew is that gohan would over pass his limit if he were cornered and had no other choices but going thru !(remember he even doubted gohan after a while cause he THOUGHT gohan could be stronger than him)

Gohan did go SSJ2 in the time room, but only for a short while, even though this wasn't seen, Goku hints that "Gohan went into a new level of unimaginable power". Goku knew he was going to lose against Cell, but Goku didn't know Cell wasn't using his max power when they fought. And goku doesn't care if Gohan passed him, this is proven when Gohan got the power up unleashing all his potential, and Goku says to Gohan, "good luck".

for the tail regrown thing, it is true that it regrown after a while but only little gohan had that chance

Goku when he was little also regrew his tail, then it was permanently removen.

example:
when training with piccolo first piccolo letted him live 6 month but in the full moon he transformed into oozaru then piccolo blow the moon and cut the tail of gohan but when fighting again 7 month later when the ship of goku (and it is goku's spacepod) called goku but caught gohan and forced him to transform by recreating a moon (gohan at that time had regrowned his tail)

That moon was fake, Gohan's tail was cut off by Piccolo, and Piccolo destroyed the ship which showed the mirage(sp?) of the moon.

agree with tarkan, GT SUCKS, not the same creator so not the same thought so the serie gets biazed !

The company that created GT was Toei.

dragonballz vs street fighter.....pfft......they're just rumors.....its pure stupidity.....what is it going to be? another fake show like dbgt or a game? Every dbz game on ps sucked major ass unlike the sf games........the only good dbz games were the rpgs on snes.....

Yeah it's pretty stupid, DB games have gotten bad reviews, and mixing a bad game with a legendary game creates chaos.

SBYRD5

06-19-2002, 09:01 PM

O.K. "Final Bout"
The Graphics are good But the buttons are hard to remeber
Because it's not english. ???

Nantuko Joe

06-20-2002, 05:11 AM

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Goku's Shukan Idou (ie. Instantaneous Movement, Instant Transmission) does not move at the speed of light. The Shukan Idou is "instant", as in the precise moment he disappears, he immediately appears exactly where he wanted to go. Light takes about 8 minutes to reach earth from the sun. However, if there was a person on the sun, then Goku could teleport to him immediately.

Goku wouldn't survive the suns heat, and goku teleports, he doesn't disappear, he instantly transports from one place to another. But other than that, it's all true.

What I meant by "disappear" was when the ppl around him no longer see him. I did not mean to imply that he can cloak so no one can see him.

yes mystic Gohan is gohan with all his power, he cant get any higher than that. And Mystic isn't a form, it's just Gohan with all his power.

I'm not sure if it says it in the manga, but in the anime the Rou Dai Kaioshin says that Mystic would allow Gohan to surpass his limits. Therefore, he's using more than his max power

LMAO, you are still using planet nameks power levels. The Androids PL's from the present time is over 100 million, I'll tell you why.

When in the future, SSJ Trunks fought non-SSJ Gohan with only one arm. SSJ Trunks was sweating like mad, and non-SSJ Gohan was toying with SSJ Trunks. I assume SSJ Trunks is at the same PL as Goku, so lets just say SSJ Goku was at 15 million for the sake of it.

SSJ Trunks: 15 million
non-SSJ Gohan with one arm: 30 million

Gohan then goes to fight android 17, Gohan turns SSJ, and android 17 is only using 50% of is power against Gohan. Now lets say SSJ increases your power by 3x, even though it doesn't. By the way android 17 had an edge, but not by much.

SSJ Gohan with one arm: 90 million
Anroid 17: 95 million

Gohan then trains for a little while, then fights android 17 again, android 17 said he was only using half of his power against Gohan when they fought before, Gohan gets shocked and android 17 kills him.

SSJ Gohan with one arm: 100 million
Anroid 17: 190 million

Now the Androids from the present are twice as strong, yes twice as strong, so:

Android 17: 380 million
Android 18: 360 million

It was stated that android 18 was a bit weaker than 17.

This is all from the manga.

Where does it say that the Androids from the present are twice as strong as the ones from the future? Here's how I see it:

The Androids from the present are the same power as the ones from the future. Now, we can't say that Trunks is as powerful as Goku, because Gohan keeps saying during the Trunks Special that he wishes his father was there, because then they could beat the androids. Either way, we have to start off back in the eps. when Furiza and King Kold came to earth.

Furiza = around 25,000,000 (he received a power-up from the cyborg parts, and prolly trained on his way to earth)
King Kold = around 30,000,000 (Tenshinhan said he felt Furiza's ki, but also another more powerful ki)

Now, when Trunks arrived, he easily took out Furiza and King Kold. Therefore:

Trunks = around 35,000,000

Remember how Trunks tried to hit Goku with his sword, but Goku merely deflected it? That would mean that Goku had a higher pl than trunks, therefore making it

Goku = around 40,000,000

Now, let's go back to Trunks Future. If Trunks is around 35,000,000, then Gohan would be around 60-65 million. Now, if you watch the Special, you would see signs that Gohan is stronger than either of the Androids and could take the both if it was one-on-one battle. However, the Androids fight together, which is why Gohan dies. Therefore,

Gohan = around 65,000,000
Android 17 = around 60,000,000 (because he's prolly weaker than Gohan all by himself)
Android 18 = around 55,000,000(because it states that 18 is a little weaker than 17.

That sounds a little more reasonable to me, in terms of power levels growth-wise. After all, it does not seem possible that Vegeta, who was killed by Furiza (who only has a pl of less than 12 million at the time), could come back and train enough to make mincemeat out of a being even stronger than the androids if they were at over 300 million (rememeber, he pounds on Imperfect Cell for a period of time).

It also wouldn't make sense that a HUMAN (tenshinhan) could hold off a being with a power level of over 300 million, nonetheless hold off Imperfect Cell for a very long time. To me, my levels sound more reasonable.

Post the list, and no I'm not saying that, I didn't even say that! damn....

Do you really want me to? I can do it right now if you'd like :D

Well probably a few minutes after, but it didn't say 5 minutes.

You know what I mean...I'm just saying that as an example...I didn't mean it was stated that it was 5 min

Name some SF special/super that could take out a powerful DBZ character using a special/super of his/her own.

I already did:

Gill
Akuma
Shin Bison
Oro
Twelve
Evil Ryu(maybe)

No, no no! I mean as if their attacks are going up against each other, (ie. Goku's Kame Hame Ha versus Vegeta's Gallic Hou during the Saiya-jin saga).

Goku can't survive the lava, the thing where freiza knocks Goku in the lava never happened.

That didn't happen in the manga?

Oro can fly too

No, what I'm saying is "what good is it to drop someone who can fly out of the sky? If that's the atack -- to pick someone up and drop them so they get hurt when they hit the ground -- then the Z Fighter he uses it against could simply fly away and not fall.

Kame-sennin whished himself to not age anymore

Damn! You got me! ;)

True, but he has to fight in the battle some time, since this IS a battle

I said "...and counterattack!" "...and counterattack!"

The Genki-dama does destroy anything with evil ki. but the genki-dama takes a long time to be charged to be thrown, which at that time, the opponent can rush Goku down. And The Genki-dama is used as a last resort technique.

That wouldnt' work. Remember, Furiza did the same thing, but Goku still survived and hit him with it (though a lot of good that did)

*remembers Gotenks's dumb ass attacks*

SSJ3 drains the energy inside you so it has to be used quickly, and fusion only lasts 30 minutes.

However, a well-aimed Super Ghost or Shine Shine could cripple the opponent in the fight's first few minutes.

3-The lava thing happened in the anime, but he did not survive (I think... and this could be possible as he could've been wished back by the dragon balls when they wished for everyone that was killed by freeza to be brought back to life...) or maybe he did... I haven't seen that episode in so long...

Roll, Goku DID survive. Remember, he was the one who told Dende to wish everyone except Goku and Furiza to earth. When Goku was knocked into the lava, he was prolly down there recovering energy (and maybe making a shield against the heat of the lava), but he did not die

for the Power Levels, dont even think of saying that goku was at 300 millions cause no one know except if you asked akira toriyama cause after the freeza saga no one ever used a scouter ! except when freeza said HE was over a million on his 2nd form, after that it is just not possible to tell Power Level !

SSJKarma, we are not saying that there are stated levels, because we know there aren't. I guessed my levels based on previously stated levels and calculated rates of pl growth.

TarkanX: gohan didn't goe's to SSJ2 until fighting cell (no one ever knew if he had before) the only thing goku knew is that gohan would over pass his limit if he were cornered and had no other choices but going thru !(remember he even doubted gohan after a while cause he THOUGHT gohan could be stronger than him)

No. In the manga, Gohan goes SSJ2 for a couple of secends in the Room of Spirit and Time.

when training with piccolo first piccolo letted him live 6 month but in the full moon he transformed into oozaru then piccolo blow the moon and cut the tail of gohan

No he didn't. He blew up the moon. Gohan's tail wasn't cut off until later on, when Vegeta did it.

I know Goku wasn't at 300 million, I was giving examples. And I proved that at least one DB character is over 100 million, and even over one billion. And The last PL given was when Trunks was read at 5.

*Joe sends Tark to read the somewhere above post proving him otherwise*

Whew! A lot of typing. My hands hurt.

weezer

06-20-2002, 05:17 AM

dragonballz vs street fighter.....pfft......they're just rumors.....its pure stupidity.....what is it going to be? another fake show like dbgt or a game? Every dbz game on ps sucked major ass unlike the sf games........the only good dbz games were the rpgs on snes.....
Sorry but unless your talking about the new "Chicken Whooper"
Your wrong Brother!!! The rpg on snes was good, But there are two more good ones= 1)"Dragon Ball Z Unlimited" and 2)Dragon Ball Final Bout"
Oh and it's Dragon Ball vs Street Fighter. <!--emo&:D
dragonballz vs street fighter.....pfft......they're just rumors.....its pure stupidity.....what is it going to be? another fake show like dbgt or a game? Every dbz game on ps sucked major ass unlike the sf games........the only good dbz games were the rpgs on snes.....
Sorry but unless your talking about the new "Chicken Whooper"
Your wrong Brother!!! The rpg on snes was good, But there are two more good ones= 1)"Dragon Ball Z Unlimited" and 2)Dragon Ball Final Bout"
Oh and it's Dragon Ball vs Street Fighter. <!--emo&:D

I meant a REAL game not a made up one.........And dragonball GT fianl bout is a good game? Dude i have that piece of #### game......it has bad reviews for a reason.......cuz it sucks so bad.......The opening movie is better that the whole game.......

Roll

06-20-2002, 08:02 AM

[quote:post_uid7="SSJKarma"]it would be fun to make a game in mugen and call it that way !

Dragonball Z VS Street Fighters

it could be done easily.
i mean all the techs are very similar.

think ill try, it'll give me something to do ! :D[/quote:post_uid7]
Could I help you on that? I have a couple of characters already. They're SF though, and I'm still trying to get Sakura. @.@ And which version are you using?

SBYRD5

06-20-2002, 10:00 AM

TarkanX

06-20-2002, 10:32 AM

What I meant by "disappear" was when the ppl around him no longer see him. I did not mean to imply that he can cloak so no one can see him.

I understand

I'm not sure if it says it in the manga, but in the anime the Rou Dai Kaioshin says that Mystic would allow Gohan to surpass his limits. Therefore, he's using more than his max power

It doesn't say that in the manga, the rou dai kaioshin says you can't turn SSJ anymore because it's useless, and you've reached your max potential so you can't get any stronger.

Where does it say that the Androids from the present are twice as strong as the ones from the future? Here's how I see it:

It doesn't say it, I just used theories using proportions(going into math here), and compared them with the present time. There also have been theories like, Trunks said the Androids of the present time are much stronger than Trunks's dimension.

The Androids from the present are the same power as the ones from the future.

Wrong, Trunks stated that the ones in the present are stronger than the future time. How can this be proven you say? Trunks can't sense the androids ki, but we compare it by how Trunks get beaten badly.

Trunks was beaten in his future badly just before he left to earth to fight the other present androids. But he was even messed up even more. Therefore the androids in the present is stronger than the future androids.

Now, we can't say that Trunks is as powerful as Goku, because Gohan keeps saying during the Trunks Special that he wishes his father was there, because then they could beat the androids. Either way, we have to start off back in the eps. when Furiza and King Kold came to earth.[quote]

Gohan in the manga from the future does say he wishes Goku was here with them, but then after that, he says "you get us out of jams when we are on the brink of losing". Even if Goku was alive in the future, they still wouldn't beat the androids. But they'd stand much more of a chance.

They could win if they double teamed one android, and went for the other, but the other android will ust come in the fight.

[quote]= around 25,000,000 (he received a power-up from the cyborg parts, and prolly trained on his way to earth)
King Kold = around 30,000,000 (Tenshinhan said he felt Furiza's ki, but also another more powerful ki)

King Kold should be weaker than form 2 Freiza when Form 2 Freiza is almost at max. The reason why is because King Kold said on the shp that him and Freiza fought before, and Freiza had to go to form to and almost at max just to beat his father. So I'd put King Kold at 800,000. This was stated in the manga.

Now, when Trunks arrived, he easily took out Furiza and King Kold. Therefore:

Trunks = around 35,000,000

Trunks isn't way stronger than Freiza, even though Freiza didn't hit Trunks, he did make Trunks a LITTLE bit winded from the fight. I'd put him at 30 million from the PL you listed.

Remember how Trunks tried to hit Goku with his sword, but Goku merely deflected it? That would mean that Goku had a higher pl than trunks, therefore making it

Goku didn't deflect it, he just blocked it with his finger, so Goku would be at 35 -40 million.

Now, let's go back to Trunks Future. If Trunks is around 35,000,000, then Gohan would be around 60-65 million.

You mean SSJ Trunks, and SSJ Trunks had a hard time with non-SSJ Gohan with one arm toying with SSJ Trunks, and Trunks was sweating vigorously. I'd put non-SSJ Gohan with one arm in your terms at 70 million, and SSJ Gohan with one arm at 210 million, or whatever you see SSJ's power increases the non-SSJ.

Now, if you watch the Special, you would see signs that Gohan is stronger than either of the Androids and could take the both if it was one-on-one battle. However, the Androids fight together, which is why Gohan dies. Therefore,

the specials don't count. And in the manga, android 17 was using 50% of his power, and was almost even with SSJ Gohan with one arm, but android 17 still had the edge.

Gohan = around 65,000,000
Android 17 = around 60,000,000 (because he's prolly weaker than Gohan all by himself)
Android 18 = around 55,000,000(because it states that 18 is a little weaker than 17.

Again that 65 million should be non-SSJ Gohans power level, and android 17 is higher than Gohan, the anime just screwed that up. And Android 17 and Android 18 don't have a huge difference. Just put them one million to two million apart, and android 17 like you said is stronger.

That sounds a little more reasonable to me, in terms of power levels growth-wise. After all, it does not seem possible that Vegeta, who was killed by Furiza (who only has a pl of less than 12 million at the time), could come back and train enough to make mincemeat out of a being even stronger than the androids if they were at over 300 million (rememeber, he pounds on Imperfect Cell for a period of time).

Freiza at form 4 max wasn't at a PL of 12 million or lower, he's much higher than that, probably around 20 million, but he's even with SSJ Goku when he's at max. Vegeta is only 5 times weaker than Freiza's form 4 is at max. since Freiza was at 20% when he transformed.

Vegeta never fought imperfect Cell, he fought against Semi-Perfect Cell, and Vegeta got the time room training for a year which really upped his power by a huge margin.

It also wouldn't make sense that a HUMAN (tenshinhan) could hold off a being with a power level of over 300 million, nonetheless hold off Imperfect Cell for a very long time. To me, my levels sound more reasonable.

Tenshinhan held Semi-Perfect Cell, because of the Shin Kikohou. It's a VERY powerful move, but strains the body really fast out of the opponent. And Tenshinhan's shin kikohou held of Super Buu(with Piccolo, and Gotenks). But Tenshinhan got tired easily and fainted.

Do you really want me to? I can do it right now if you'd like

I don't care, go ahead.

no! I mean as if their attacks are going up against each other, (ie. Goku's Kame Hame Ha versus Vegeta's Gallic Hou during the Saiya-jin saga).

Oro's variable yagyou-dama can go against a really powered up kamehameha.

Oro's tengou stone can go against Piccolo's rapid fireball attack thing or whatever it's called.

That's all i know right now...

by the way what part of the series was the Ryuken attacked used?

That didn't happen in the manga?

No it didn't happen, Form 4 freiza at max was even with SSJ Goku until Freiza got tired because of stress, then Goku laid the beat down on Freiza.

No, what I'm saying is "what good is it to drop someone who can fly out of the sky? If that's the atack -- to pick someone up and drop them so they get hurt when they hit the ground -- then the Z Fighter he uses it against could simply fly away and not fall.

Oro can use the variable kishin riki in the sky as well....

That wouldnt' work. Remember, Furiza did the same thing, but Goku still survived and hit him with it (though a lot of good that did)

Freiza was an idiot, he wasn't even using his full power against Goku, only 70% of it. And Freiza didn't know Goku was doing.

If Goku did throw the Genki-dama at Bison, Bison would just teleport, if he tried to throw it at twelve, twelve would disappear, and Goku can't sense or see him, so he wouldn't know where to throw it. If he's charging it up against Evil Ryu, Evil Ryu would just shun goku satsu him... It won't work against Gill, or Oro since they're good.

, a well-aimed Super Ghost or Shine Shine could cripple the opponent in the fight's first few minutes

But what's well aimed if the opponent keeps on moving that you can't get a good direct attack.

Roll, Goku DID survive. Remember, he was the one who told Dende to wish everyone except Goku and Furiza to earth. When Goku was knocked into the lava, he was prolly down there recovering energy (and maybe making a shield against the heat of the lava), but he did not die

Like I said, the lava part didn't happen, it wasn't in the manga, and Goku can't make a shield around himself.

TarkanX

06-20-2002, 10:40 AM

Look remeber "Fruzia" is that right Joe? I said his power level was over one million at his secound form.

Freiza was at 1,060,000 at max in form 2, he was never at max in form 2 though, he was using 90% of his power before he transformed into form 3, well at least close to 90%.

O.K. Vegeta was Blow for blow even with him in his weakest form.

That's not true, they didn't match blow for blow, reiza, and Vegeta just grappled hands, after the grapple, Vegeta was just plain warned out, and Freiza was like nothing happened.

I think Fruzia double's his power in those weak forms... so Vegeta was at 500,000,

Freiza double his power from his max in the forms, but Vegeta wasn't at 500,000, and Freiza's max in form 1 is 530,000, which freiza was never at max in form 1, or form 2, or form 3.

Vegeta was probably 80,000, but he wasn't at 90,000 or over because Goku was stronger than Vegeta at that time.

But that can't be right because when Goku was fighting Captian, Goku's power level was at 180,000 I think could someone explian this to me.(Because Goku is stronger than Vegeta)?

Goku's max wasn't at 180,000, it was at 90,000, he just went kaio-ken to get to 180,000, because Ginyu was roughing Goku up, and Ginyu's max was at 120,000. Goku's max was stronger than Vegeta's max, but then vegeta received a HUGE power-up when he was healed by Dende.

SBYRD5

06-20-2002, 11:14 AM

Thanks Tarkan X I was a bet lost there.. ;)

SSJKarma

06-20-2002, 11:15 AM

TarkanX: why do you always tell thing like your were the only one really knowing all about DBZ ?

i saw some of the manga but for what i saw, the TV show and the manga wasn't that different ! the manga was way more strsaight forward than the TV show but the story and the moves were the same !

in the TV show Mr satan DID disappear... when he received the shot from the gun of the bad guy in buu house !

he was in front then disappear, the bad guy was shocked to see that then shot in front of him sending mr satan too the ground with a bullet in the chest !

he is very strong for a human but since he doesn't have any energy that he can use, he is just not strong for the z fighters !

as that part appearing in the manga ? i suppose yes cause you were had miss a big part from the story ! (buu separation)

dbz didn't get any bad tought... it is just that people doesn't like dbz for what it is, they prefer SF or any other fighting animes cause they can see movements and such that cannot be seen in DBZ cause of their actual speed !

and for dbz games, it is simply cause they cannot do the same thing as the TV or the manga, the rythm would be impossible to follow !

Hyper Dimension was a great game and those botouden were too and i believe that UB22 was great. Final bout is good but it has sluggish movements so it is hard to fight and if you had learn those hyper combo thing you would find the game going at the pace of the TV show !

anyway like i said the real answer to that question is:
I DONT KNOW !

SBYRD5

06-20-2002, 11:24 AM

[quote:post_uid10="SSJKarma"]TarkanX: why do you always tell thing like your were the only one really knowing all about DBZ ?

i saw some of the manga but for what i saw, the TV show and the manga wasn't that different ! the manga was way more strsaight forward than the TV show but the story and the moves were the same !

in the TV show Mr satan DID disappear... when he received the shot from the gun of the bad guy in buu house !

he was in front then disappear, the bad guy was shocked to see that then shot in front of him sending mr satan too the ground with a bullet in the chest !

he is very strong for a human but since he doesn't have any energy that he can use, he is just not strong for the z fighters !

as that part appearing in the manga ? i suppose yes cause you were had miss a big part from the story ! (buu separation)

dbz didn't get any bad tought... it is just that people doesn't like dbz for what it is, they prefer SF or any other fighting animes cause they can see movements and such that cannot be seen in DBZ cause of their actual speed !

and for dbz games, it is simply cause they cannot do the same thing as the TV or the manga, the rythm would be impossible to follow !

Hyper Dimension was a great game and those botouden were too and i believe that UB22 was great. Final bout is good but it has sluggish movements so it is hard to fight and if you had learn those hyper combo thing you would find the game going at the pace of the TV show !

anyway like i said the real answer to that question is:
I DONT KNOW ![/quote:post_uid10]
VERY TRUE SO you Know how to do the hyper Combo's and the Blast challenges thats what makes that game good. But normal Combo are slow when there done but look cool.
Have You trianed a Person on that game.Oh and when your training there is a serect box after Block7 there is the Strongest fights ever in The Unoffiacal GT series. Try the secert Box First you have to put a code in the converter But tat is the funniest Part of the Game besides playing with Golden Uzauru.(Check it out Karma) :D ;)

TarkanX

06-20-2002, 11:44 AM

TarkanX: why do you always tell thing like your were the only one really knowing all about DBZ ?

I didn't say that, you think that all this info from the manga is getting makes you think I'm the only person who knows about DB"Z"?

i saw some of the manga but for what i saw, the TV show and the manga wasn't that different ! the manga was way more strsaight forward than the TV show but the story and the moves were the same !

Yes they are the same, but the anime screws up a lot of things like power levels, and they add in filler stuff that doesn't need to be there.

in the TV show Mr satan DID disappear... when he received the shot from the gun of the bad guy in buu house !

Well that's the anime, in the magna Mr. Satan gets shot, and Buu kills the robbers, then Buu heals Mr. Satan.

he was in front then disappear, the bad guy was shocked to see that then shot in front of him sending mr satan too the ground with a bullet in the chest !

read what I said above, and Mr. Satan can't dissapear!! No one can in the DB"Z" world! dissapearing is when you cloak yourself so no one can see you.

he is very strong for a human but since he doesn't have any energy that he can use, he is just not strong for the z fighters !

Mr. Satan is just BARELY above the average human. He doesn't show any super strength like captain America, and moves just as fast as a normal human would(but a bit better). Mr. Satan's strength is just above the average human, he can probably bench 300 lbs. but that's about it... The only strength he shows is winning the tenkaichi bodoukai, but the past tenkaichi bodoukais were with normal fighters who train.

as that part appearing in the manga ? i suppose yes cause you were had miss a big part from the story ! (buu separation)

Fat Buu seperated himself to release all the bad in himself, when Fat Buu seperated, there was Good Buu which looked like fat buu, and evil buu whcih was really thin. Thin Buu ate good buu and turned into super buu.

dbz didn't get any bad tought... it is just that people doesn't like dbz for what it is, they prefer SF or any other fighting animes cause they can see movements and such that cannot be seen in DBZ cause of their actual speed !

In the manga you can see the movements of the characters, but they go really fast, and state that they are moving at fast speed.

SBYRD5

06-20-2002, 11:50 AM

Sounds magna fast(whistles) :D
Tien tied with Goku in a tournament,
But I never got to see how Goku beats Chi chi in the World Martial Arts Tournament in Magna DB series.
Tell me Tarkan X. ;)

TarkanX

06-20-2002, 11:57 AM

Tien tied with Goku in a tournament

They were pretty even, but Goku landed on the ground barely before Tenshinhan did, so Tenshinhan won.

But I never got to see how Goku beats Chi chi in the World Martial Arts Tournament in Magna DB series.
Tell me Tarkan X.

Boring fight... Goku beats chi chi, nuff said. I don't even call this a fight.

SBYRD5

06-20-2002, 12:13 PM

Who told Piccolo about the tournament and how did he end up at the martial Arts tournaments. In the BBZ series who is the guy in Bulma's flash back about poeple who spoke Namek besides Piccolo ???
Oh yeah who's Goku's mom.
And, how did his dad escape the fight with the pink fight guy Vegeta killed on Namek. :0

TarkanX

06-20-2002, 12:16 PM

Who told Piccolo about the tournament and how did he end up at the martial Arts tournaments.

He went on his own will.

In the BBZ series who is the guy in Bulma's flash back about poeple who spoke Namek besides Piccolo

I don't know what your talking about here.

SBYRD5

06-20-2002, 12:19 PM

SBYRD5

06-20-2002, 12:21 PM

Do Ryu and Ken ever seriously fight each other and who wins... I must know???

TarkanX

06-20-2002, 12:30 PM

Oh yeah who's Goku's mom.
And, how did his dad escape the fight with the pink fight guy Vegeta killed on Namek.

Goku's mom was never seen, and I don't know if Goku's father fought dodoria, since we never saw how planet vegeta was destroyed, it was just talked about.

Please slow down on the questions, if you want to know a lot about DB"Z", make a new topic.

SBYRD5

06-20-2002, 12:32 PM

Sorry about that How do i start my own topic ???

TarkanX

06-20-2002, 12:37 PM

Ryu and Ken fought seriously before, but Ryu won each time, Ken won once, but Ryu wasn't concentrating.

Sorry about that How do i start my own topic

.....*sigh* to start a new topic, go down all the way to the bottom of the page, then click new topic, and then you know what to do from there(I hope you know).

SBYRD5

06-20-2002, 12:52 PM

Well I made two of the same thing but besides that I did ok.

06-20-2002, 01:33 PM

man .......Now u r flooding SBYR2.......... ???

SBYRD5

06-20-2002, 02:14 PM

[quote:post_uid6="wrestlemania"]man .......Now u r flooding SBYR2.......... ???[/quote:post_uid6]
Yeah I'm making way to many mistakes.

SSJKarma

06-20-2002, 05:05 PM

TarkanX: it is in the manga, im sure of it since it's a big part of story !

he's talking about Kami over taking a body to fight evil piccolo then using the bottle techniques that get Kami being sucked in then goku make trash talk so piccolo grows then goku get in and out with the bottle then break them to free Kami...

sorry got caught by my typing, you what i mean !

about chi chi in the fight it is simple !

23rd tenkachi budokai... every fighters get's in !
piccolo too (revenge on goku beating him last time)

here is what they had at final:
goku vs anonymous hope (english name, dont know the japanese one)
Piccolo vs krillin (pretty good fight i think)
Tien vs ... (a guy not known and not important)
Yamcha vs Shen (who is actually kami overtaking a body)

goku came in and the girl who was in front reconize him and start telling him that he made a promess to her... but when goku did not reconize her at all she gets mad and attack him, blows were exchange (about 2 or 3) then i dont know what happen after that (blank in my memory) but goku blasted her with a kamehameha and she gets knocked uncounscious !

after the fight when she get to him again they exchanged word then goku realize who he had in front of him ! (goku last saw chichi when she had something like 8 so she has change a lot since then)

then they get married since goku made the promisse when she was young and had gohan as his child !

the question im asking, are we seeing the wedding in the Manga ?

TarkanX

06-20-2002, 05:14 PM

TarkanX: it is in the manga, im sure of it since it's a big part of story !

Already knew this was in the manga

he's talking about Kami over taking a body to fight evil piccolo then using the bottle techniques that get Kami being sucked in then goku make trash talk so piccolo grows then goku get in and out with the bottle then break them to free Kami...

Yeah true....

about chi chi in the fight it is simple !

23rd tenkachi budokai... every fighters get's in !
piccolo too (revenge on goku beating him last time)

Yep

here is what they had at final:
goku vs anonymous hope (english name, dont know the japanese one)
Piccolo vs krillin (pretty good fight i think)
Tien vs ... (a guy not known and not important)
Yamcha vs Shen (who is actually kami overtaking a body)

I forgot who Goku fought since I don't have this volume of the manga, I'm going to have to borrow this volume from my friend.

I remember the Piccolo vs. Krillin fight, and Krillin got his ass kicked plain and simple.

forgot who tenshinhan fought, but tenshinhan won i think.

Yamucha lost to Shen

goku came in and the girl who was in front reconize him and start telling him that he made a promess to her... but when goku did not reconize her at all she gets mad and attack him, blows were exchange (about 2 or 3) then i dont know what happen after that (blank in my memory) but goku blasted her with a kamehameha and she gets knocked uncounscious !

I believe that they didn't exchange blows, I don't even think goku blasted her with a kamehameha, but she did get knocked unconscious by Goku.

after the fight when she get to him again they exchanged word then goku realize who he had in front of him ! (goku last saw chichi when she had something like 8 so she has change a lot since then)

Goku was about 12 when he met chi chi, and chi was 11 when they first met.

then they get married since goku made the promisse when she was young and had gohan as his child !

Yep....

the question im asking, are we seeing the wedding in the Manga ?

Yeah I remember the marriage in the manga.

SSJKarma

06-20-2002, 07:39 PM

TarkanX: they did attack each other cause BANDAI (not the other crappy creators) made all there games like that !

chi chi started the fight by talking to goku making him say that he know it's chichi (he didn't reconized her) then chi chi got mad and rushed him for some hit who goku actually never block (he knew she was weak) then they talked again and goku gave 2 or 3 punches then he finished her off with little energy ball (not kamehameha, my fault) then she got uncounsious and goku actually he had knocked her with too much power !

dont know if on TV it showed like that or even if the manga did something like that, but all the RPG games who were at that sequence were made that way !

the truth about all this is in the manga but im pretty sure they exchanged some punch or kick even if it is only 2 or 3 !

i want to know something...
on TV, goku remember a fight he had with chichi when they were young !
goku was by the big tree than chichi was talking about doing things that people like to do then when she looked back goku were punching her and they had much fun !

is that in the manga ?
if so, then was she as strong as him ?

TarkanX

06-20-2002, 08:18 PM

TarkanX: they did attack each other cause BANDAI (not the other crappy creators) made all there games like that !

I see....

chi chi started the fight by talking to goku making him say that he know it's chichi (he didn't reconized her) then chi chi got mad and rushed him for some hit who goku actually never block (he knew she was weak) then they talked again and goku gave 2 or 3 punches then he finished her off with little energy ball (not kamehameha, my fault) then she got uncounsious and goku actually he had knocked her with too much power !

Yep, I'm almost positive about this, but I have to get that manga to be for sure.

dont know if on TV it showed like that or even if the manga did something like that, but all the RPG games who were at that sequence were made that way !

the truth about all this is in the manga but im pretty sure they exchanged some punch or kick even if it is only 2 or 3 !

Yeah, but I'll have to check into it.

i want to know something...
on TV, goku remember a fight he had with chichi when they were young !
goku was by the big tree than chichi was talking about doing things that people like to do then when she looked back goku were punching her and they had much fun !

is that in the manga ?
if so, then was she as strong as him ?

I remember this from the anime, this never happened, or was never seen.

weezer

06-21-2002, 04:10 AM

*weezer yawns*

Nantuko Joe

06-21-2002, 06:22 AM

Look remeber "Fruzia" is that right Joe? I said his power level was over one million at his secound form. O.K. Vegeta was Blow for blow even with him in his weakest form. I think Fruzia double's his power in those weak forms... so Vegeta was at 500,000, But that can't be right because when Goku was fighting Captian, Goku's power level was at 180,000 I think could someone explian this to me.(Because Goku is stronger than Vegeta)?

Vegeta's power level rose drastically because he healed from the damage he took from Rikum. Also, if you watch the anime, after Vegeta and Furiza grasped hands, Furiza was fine, but Vegeta was sweating and breathing heavily, showing that he must have exerted a lot of power and a lot of force against Furiza. Therefore, i'm guessing that Vegeta (after getting healed) was around 80,000 to 100,000 normally, and therefore had a max power of apparently 530,000. After Goku got healed from his fight with Ginyu, I guessed his power at around 300,000 normally, and using Kaio-ken x10 and x20, have Goku at around 3 million and 6 million, respectively.

Wrong, Trunks stated that the ones in the present are stronger than the future time. How can this be proven you say? Trunks can't sense the androids ki, but we compare it by how Trunks get beaten badly.

Trunks was beaten in his future badly just before he left to earth to fight the other present androids. But he was even messed up even more. Therefore the androids in the present is stronger than the future androids.

In Trunks' future, he was almost killed by the androids. He couldn't even score two successful hits. After giving Goku the antidote for the virus, he left to train some more in his future. When he returned, he was still getting beat. I'm going to guess that when Trunks returned to the present to fight the androids, he was about even with Goku (Goku didn't really grow in power during the training period for the Android Saga because he and Piccolo were focused on training Gohan). Even so, Trunks would still be weaker than the androids (according to my calculated levels I listed in my last post).

King Kold should be weaker than form 2 Freiza when Form 2 Freiza is almost at max. The reason why is because King Kold said on the shp that him and Freiza fought before, and Freiza had to go to form to and almost at max just to beat his father. So I'd put King Kold at 800,000. This was stated in the manga.

However, we must assume that because Kold is also a Changeling, that he could also have multiple forms. Therefore, we have no idea what form Kold was at when Furiza beat him, and we have no idea what form Kold was in when he arrived on earth.

All I know is that Tenshinhan states that he felt Furiza's Ki, and also a Ki much stronger than Furiza's.

You mean SSJ Trunks, and SSJ Trunks had a hard time with non-SSJ Gohan with one arm toying with SSJ Trunks, and Trunks was sweating vigorously. I'd put non-SSJ Gohan with one arm in your terms at 70 million, and SSJ Gohan with one arm at 210 million, or whatever you see SSJ's power increases the non-SSJ.

SSJ Trunks never fought with non-SSJ Gohan with one arm! Watch the special, it was Gohan's death that ALLOWED Trunks to go SSJ in the first place. And after the Furiza saga, we don't even try to calculate non-SSJ power levels because the fighters pretty much always go SSJ for their fights (except for Vegeta Vs. Pui Pui).

Freiza at form 4 max wasn't at a PL of 12 million or lower, he's much higher than that, probably around 20 million, but he's even with SSJ Goku when he's at max. Vegeta is only 5 times weaker than Freiza's form 4 is at max. since Freiza was at 20% when he transformed.

Vegeta never fought imperfect Cell, he fought against Semi-Perfect Cell, and Vegeta got the time room training for a year which really upped his power by a huge margin

Here are my levels for Furiza during the time on Namek:

Furiza Form 1: 530,000
Furiza Form 2: 1,000,000
Furiza Form 3: 2,500,000
Furiza Form 4 (33.3% power): 4 million
Furiza Form 4 (50% power): 6 million
Furiza Form 4 (70% power): 8.4 million
Furiza Form 4 (max power): 12 million.

When Furiza first went form 4, in the english version he says he's using "only 1%" of his power, however, that's bull####. I THINK it is listed in the Daizenshuu (or elsewhere) that he was using like 33% of his power. (If you can show me where it says taht Furiza was at 20% power when he transformed, and I'll believe you.)50% power would be around 6 million, and therefore twice that, for 100% power, would be 12 million. There's no way that Furiza and Goku's power levels were around 20 million. Here's what I got Goku at:

Goku Max Power (vs. Ginyu): 180,000
Goku Base Power (vs. Furiza): 300,000
Goku kaioken x10: 3 million
Goku kaioken x20: 6 million
SSJ Goku: 15 million

Although Furiza seems to be a lot less in power than Goku, the same thing happens as in Piccolo vs. Furiza: Furiza (versus Goku) was faster and more agile, and therefore it appeared that he and Goku were the same (or close) to being the same level.

by the way what part of the series was the Ryuken attacked used?

My mistake.

Oro can use the variable kishin riki in the sky as well....

Joe smacks his forehead

Do you think Oro would expect to drop a Z Fighter from the sky and expect him to NOT fly away and hit the ground?

But what's well aimed if the opponent keeps on moving that you can't get a good direct attack.

I said the same thing, using Goku's Shunkan Idou. However, I'm going to say what you said to me: this is a fight. Sooner or later, the opponent's going to have to stop and fight.

Oh yeah who's Goku's mom.
And, how did his dad escape the fight with the pink fight guy Vegeta killed on Namek.

We are never introduced to the mothers of any of the full-blooded Saiya-jins.

Bardock, on Planet Meet, killed off Furiza's elites, but Dudoria (the fat pink guy) hit Bardock with a blast and [/b]THOUGHT[/B] he was dead, but Bardock was not. Bardock then got to his pod and flew back to planet vegeta.

TarkanX

06-21-2002, 09:51 AM

Vegeta's power level rose drastically because he healed from the damage he took from Rikum. Also, if you watch the anime, after Vegeta and Furiza grasped hands, Furiza was fine, but Vegeta was sweating and breathing heavily, showing that he must have exerted a lot of power and a lot of force against Furiza. Therefore, i'm guessing that Vegeta (after getting healed) was around 80,000 to 100,000 normally, and therefore had a max power of apparently 530,000.

Okay okay, Vegetas power rose more than 2x in his fight against Rikum, but he has to be lower than 90,000. Because he was saying so much that Goku at 90,000 was stronger than him. And Vegeta was not in range of form 1 freiza's level. For 1 freiza at max was at 530,000. He wasn't usin his max, and freiza has to be at over 50% of his power in his first 3 forms.

After Goku got healed from his fight with Ginyu, I guessed his power at around 300,000 normally, and using Kaio-ken x10 and x20, have Goku at around 3 million and 6 million, respectively.

If Goku was at 300,000 for his base which he wasn't, then he used kaio-ken*10, he should've gotten weaker, so he couldn't have been at 6 million for kk*20.

Your getting this PL from the daizenshuu which is wrong(yes toriyama stated it in an interview which you know already). If Goku was at 300,000, even with kaio-ken he wouldn't survive, which brings me to another point.

In Trunks' future, he was almost killed by the androids. He couldn't even score two successful hits.

He didn't get any hits

After giving Goku the antidote for the virus, he left to train some more in his future. When he returned, he was still getting beat. I'm going to guess that when Trunks returned to the present to fight the androids, he was about even with Goku (Goku didn't really grow in power during the training period for the Android Saga because he and Piccolo were focused on training Gohan). Even so, Trunks would still be weaker than the androids (according to my calculated levels I listed in my last post).

I wouldn't say Trunks is even with Goku, just a bit weaker, and SSJ Goku wasn't using his max against the android 19. The virus kicked in when he landed on the planet.

Yes your right Goku didn't raise his PL that high, he probably didn't even get a 2x increase.

However, we must assume that because Kold is also a Changeling, that he could also have multiple forms. Therefore, we have no idea what form Kold was at when Furiza beat him, and we have no idea what form Kold was in when he arrived on earth.

All I know is that Tenshinhan states that he felt Furiza's Ki, and also a Ki much stronger than Furiza's.

ARGH!!! WHere do people get changeling from, Freiza and King Kold aren't changelings! their race is unknown.

A lot of people say king kold was at form 2, but if he had forms, why didn't he shows us more, and not coward.

And Tenshinhan doesn't state that, he just says he felt a very strong ki(freiza's) and another by him, but not as strong(king kold).

SSJ Trunks never fought with non-SSJ Gohan with one arm! Watch the special, it was Gohan's death that ALLOWED Trunks to go SSJ in the first place. And after the Furiza saga, we don't even try to calculate non-SSJ power levels because the fighters pretty much always go SSJ for their fights (except for Vegeta Vs. Pui Pui).

SSJ Trunks did fight with non-SSJ Gohan with one arm, it was a flash back, I have the color manga to prove it, but it's in japanese, and i need a scanner....

Trunks turned SSJ long before Gohan was killed, and I don't need to watch some anime special if I have the manga, it shows how wrong that Gohan had the upper hand against the 2 androids but faleterd when both attacked. Android 18never fought Gohan, it was only android 17 who fought Gohan which had the upper hand against Gohan, but they were about even.

Here are my levels for Furiza during the time on Namek:

Furiza Form 1: 530,000
Furiza Form 2: 1,000,000
Furiza Form 3: 2,500,000
Furiza Form 4 (33.3% power): 4 million
Furiza Form 4 (50% power): 6 million
Furiza Form 4 (70% power): 8.4 million
Furiza Form 4 (max power): 12 million.

You got all this from planet namek.com, 530,000 is his max in form 1, and put some percentages from what he's at so I know that you don't think Freiza was at max.

In form 2 at max, Freiza is at 1,060,000, he said he got 2x stronger, put some percentages there too...

In form 3 at max, Freiza should again double his power from form 2, and put his percentages there.

Okay this is where it goes insane... Freiza wasn't using 33.3% of his power, I saw a post from SkullMac saying he just put up a % there that lower than 50%, and higher than 25%.

By the way if Freiza was at 4,000,000, and Goku by your levels using kk*10 was at 3,000,000, then shouldn't of Goku gotten beaten into the ground? They were almost even before freiza went to 50% of his power, Freiza had the edge though.

Form 4 Freiza at 50%, that percentage is correct, but that level is from the daizenshuu which is wrong for many reasons.

70% is right, but the level is wrong because of the daizenshuu.

100% is right, but the level is wrong.

When Furiza first went form 4, in the english version he says he's using "only 1%" of his power, however, that's bull####. I THINK it is listed in the Daizenshuu (or elsewhere) that he was using like 33% of his power.

Like I said above, the daizenshuu doesn't give a % for freiza before he goes 50%, skull mac just put it there.

(If you can show me where it says taht Furiza was at 20% power when he transformed, and I'll believe you.)

Freiza doesn't exactly say he's using 20% of his power, but I used proportions, and geometric ratios to get that %.

Freiza when he transformed to his 4th form was lower than 50%, and you'll agree with me. So we can deduce that from 1-50%. And there is no way freiza could be at 1%, not even 15%. so we can deduce that from 16-49%. now we can deduce the 49% to 40% since it sounds just so wrong. I'll up the 16% to 20% since the calculations would be a bit off. so we have 20-40%. Now freiza couldn't have been at 40% since he would get a small increase going to 50%, I'll dduce this to 35%.

Freiza form 4 just when he transformed was even with Vegeta, even though they didn't fight, and Vegeta sensed Freiza's power. When Freiza saw vegeta's blast, he knew he was going to have a hard time at this %, so he powered up a bit upping his %. Now lets assume Freiza when he transformed was at 20%, which is pretty much accurate since he's never at an odd number % ending in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9. Well I guess he was at 20% when he started.

Freiza charged up to 30%. so he had a 50% advantage over vegeta:

example:
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Vegeta: 10
Freiza form 4(20%): 10
Freiza form 4(30%): 15

a 50% advantage is enough to beat down the opponent, and kill him.

50% power would be around 6 million, and therefore twice that, for 100% power, would be 12 million. There's no way that Furiza and Goku's power levels were around 20 million. Here's what I got Goku at:

Yes Freiza at 50% is 2x weaker than he is at 100%. And Yes there is a way they could've been at 20 million, and I'll show you.

Okay let's assume Freiza form 4 at 20% was at 3 million for the sake of it. Vegeta was at the same level so:

Freiza form 4 20%: 3 million
Vegeta: 3 million

Freiza upped his power to 30% so now he's at:

Freiza form 4 30%: 4.5 million

Goku comes, and he's almost as strong as Freiza using kk*10.

Goku(base level): 420,000
Goku(kk*10): 4.2 million
Freiza form 4 30%: 4.5 million

Freiza gets bored of the fight and goes up to 50% so:

Freiza form 4 50%: 7.5 million

Then Goku gets tired:

Goku(tired): 350,000

Then Goku goes kk*20

Goku(kk*20): 7 million

They are about even, but Freiza still has the edge in this fight, Freiza gets bored again and upped his power to 70%.

Freiza form 4 70%: 10.5 million

Goku stops using kk*20 and gets really tired

Goku(tired some more): 250,000

He has no other choice but to use the genki-dama.

Then Genki-dama hits freiza, freiza's still alive, freiza kshoots piccolo, kills krillin, Goku gets mad, turns SSJ.

SSJ Goku: 15 million

Goku beats on freiza, freiza throws ball at namek, freiza says 5 mins. till planet explodes, goku tells freiza to go all out, freiza says he will, Goku says it'll put to much stress on freiza, freiza doesn't care.

Freiza form 4 100%: 15 million

They are even until Freiza gets tired from using 100%.

Okay say they weren't at 20 million, but I just used a random PL that was close to what you thought so you wouldn't aruge with it. I'd put Freiza at max at 21 million, and him using 20% at 4,240,000.

Goku Max Power (vs. Ginyu): 180,000
Goku Base Power (vs. Furiza): 300,000
Goku kaioken x10: 3 million
Goku kaioken x20: 6 million
SSJ Goku: 15 million

Goku's max was at 90,000, I told you this like 5 times, he was at 90,000, then Ginyu kept beating Goku, then Goku yells out KAIO-KEN!!! And goes up to 180,000.

That Goku's base PL was from the daizenshuu, and that level is too low to be Goku's base.

Again like his base level, his kk*10 level is too low to fight freiza. kk*20 shouldn't be at 6 million, it shouldve decrease from the daizenshuu's levels, but the daizenshuu is wrong.

The SSJ Goku PL is your opinion.

Although Furiza seems to be a lot less in power than Goku, the same thing happens as in Piccolo vs. Furiza: Furiza (versus Goku) was faster and more agile, and therefore it appeared that he and Goku were the same (or close) to being the same level

No that's not true. Piccolo against form 2 freiza at 90%(or close to that %), Piccolo said he was a bit stronger, but they were about even.

Same Goes for Goku vs Freiza, Goku uses kk, they match blow for blow(sometimes), but Freiza has the edge.

Do you think Oro would expect to drop a Z Fighter from the sky and expect him to NOT fly away and hit the ground?

hmm... I'm getting confused right here but what I meant is... Oro would catch the DB"Z" character, and grapple the DB"Z" character so hard that he couldn't escape, then drop him down like a ground.

I said the same thing, using Goku's Shunkan Idou. However, I'm going to say what you said to me: this is a fight. Sooner or later, the opponent's going to have to stop and fight.

Okay that is true, but it won't work on twelve, because he can disappear, and has no ki, so he can't be sensed.

We are never introduced to the mothers of any of the full-blooded Saiya-jins.

yep

Bardock, on Planet Meet, killed off Furiza's elites, but Dudoria (the fat pink guy) hit Bardock with a blast and [/b]THOUGHT[/B] he was dead, but Bardock was not. Bardock then got to his pod and flew back to planet vegeta.

It's not known if Bardock fought Dodoria, but if he did, Bardock would get his ass kicked.

Roll

06-21-2002, 12:48 PM

This is off the current subject, but whoever wants to answer this can.

If Street Fighter and DB faught, don't you think the DarkStalkers would know, since they are closely related? And don't you think they'd help SF? O.o; Just 2 questions....

TarkanX

06-21-2002, 04:16 PM

If Street Fighter and DB faught, don't you think the DarkStalkers would know, since they are closely related? And don't you think they'd help SF? O.o; Just 2 questions....

Dark Stalkers and SF are made by the same company(Capcom), but they don't take place in the same universe(at least not yet), but if Dark Stalkers fought DB, Dark Stalkers would win, all Pyron needs to do is blow up the earth with his fist or whatever....

akuma_forever

06-21-2002, 04:45 PM

dragon ball z would win,but i like street fighter better.(and i have seen the episodes and movies of street fighter

TarkanX

06-21-2002, 04:53 PM

dragon ball z would win,but i like street fighter better.(and i have seen the episodes and movies of street fighter

And Why do you think DB"Z" would win...?

SBYRD5

06-21-2002, 06:15 PM

Joe inpressive and Tarkan X you've got an answer for everything good job you two..... ;)

(WOW 17 pages keep it up Tarkan X
it must be straining)

SSJKarma

06-22-2002, 09:09 AM

darkstalkers and SF doesn't exist in the same univers (unlike marvel who made all their char lives in the same erath) thru most of the chars were living on earth and Jedah transported them in his own dimension (story from DS2).

Bulletta = earthling
both succubus = earthling
sasquatch = earthling
all the other char including demitri are earthling except for pyron the alien and jedah the (im suppose he's like a vampire god since all his moves include blood) !

they just live in a parrallel earth where evil creature reign on earth ans SF live in a parrallel world of this earth and heroes creature reign !

but the fact is...
they will never know each other or jedah would have taken some SF in his own dimension for the god brain !

BACK TO DB...
guesse's are one way to put it but you cannot say even by deduction say at what they were !
goku was even with frieza when he became SSJ but after a while frieza gets all tired and couldn't sustain his full power (100%) but goku's rage kept him at full power for way much longer than what it was suppose to. so frieza gets beaten !

vegeta was even with frieza form 1 that why he gets to form 2 then piccolo came and fought him, he was weaker but knew all his moves so that's why he beated him. then frieza gets to form 3 then seeing how all 3 of them fought against him he decided to go to his real form (form 4).

then after killing vegeta goku came and he was way stronger than anyone on the field but frieza was way stronger than him and that's until he goes SSJ !

my guess is, he wasn't stronger than Frieza with his SSJ form (when frieza was at max) this is the SSJ error that all SSJ makes (underratting their opponent and toying with them) goku did this error and gohan did this error too, vegeta and trunks did too !

but goku had an advantage that he never knew until it happens ! he way angry and could sustain his power at SSJ level when frieza was already sweathing like hell and that when he said that it was all over for frieza !

it's my guess from the TV show !

guesses is all we can say cause no one will ever confirm powert levels that were at stake !

my guess for that is... akira toriyama flushed the scouter's destroying them all, because it was way more confusing than helping to know the stronger !

TarkanX

06-22-2002, 12:07 PM

darkstalkers and SF doesn't exist in the same univers (unlike marvel who made all their char lives in the same erath) thru most of the chars were living on earth and Jedah transported them in his own dimension (story from DS2).

yep

Bulletta = earthling
both succubus = earthling
sasquatch = earthling
all the other char including demitri are earthling except for pyron the alien and jedah the (im suppose he's like a vampire god since all his moves include blood) !

yep

they just live in a parrallel earth where evil creature reign on earth ans SF live in a parrallel world of this earth and heroes creature reign !

but the fact is...
they will never know each other or jedah would have taken some SF in his own dimension for the god brain !

yep, most SF characters...

BACK TO DB...
guesse's are one way to put it but you cannot say even by deduction say at what they were !
goku was even with frieza when he became SSJ but after a while frieza gets all tired and couldn't sustain his full power (100%) but goku's rage kept him at full power for way much longer than what it was suppose to. so frieza gets beaten !

true....

vegeta was even with frieza form 1 that why he gets to form 2 then piccolo came and fought him, he was weaker but knew all his moves so that's why he beated him. then frieza gets to form 3 then seeing how all 3 of them fought against him he decided to go to his real form (form 4).

Vegeta wasn't even with Freiza in form 1, after the grappling, Vegeta is stressed, and Freiza acts like nothing happened, and on top of that, Freiza wasn't using his max, because he couldn't use it.

Piccolo was a bit stronger than freiza form 2 at 90%, he states it, but he would have a weaker power level than freiza form 2 at 100%, but freiza cant go 100% or he'll get stressed.

Form 3 was quick, he just threw little palette balls and piccolo, then gohan attacked freiza with a big masenko, but freiza threw it at Gohan.

then after killing vegeta goku came and he was way stronger than anyone on the field but frieza was way stronger than him and that's until he goes SSJ !

the only ones he was stonger than was krillin, and Gohan, Goku needed kaio-ken to keep up with freiza, without kaio-ken, Goku would've lost easily.

my guess is, he wasn't stronger than Frieza with his SSJ form (when frieza was at max) this is the SSJ error that all SSJ makes (underratting their opponent and toying with them) goku did this error and gohan did this error too, vegeta and trunks did too !

No, Goku SSJ was stronger than freiza, but freiza at 100% was even with goku until stress kicked in form freiza.

SBYRD5

06-22-2002, 07:28 PM

That is true Freiza's MAX 100% of his final form was to much stress for his body.So eventally Goku over powered him.

Oh Tarkan X you don't need to answer this but how did Goku learn to fly the Sayian Ship back to earth after the fight with Freiza when the language was not in earthling but sayian.

Nantuko Joe

06-23-2002, 08:11 AM

He didn't get any hits

That just supports my cause even more. :D

ARGH!!! WHere do people get changeling from, Freiza and King Kold aren't changelings! their race is unknown.

A lot of people say king kold was at form 2, but if he had forms, why didn't he shows us more, and not coward.

And Tenshinhan doesn't state that, he just says he felt a very strong ki(freiza's) and another by him, but not as strong(king kold).

I got "Changeling" from Planet Namek, just as a way to describe their race. Because they can transform and "change" into different forms, many ppl refer to them as "Changelings".

They didn't show us Kold's other forms prolly because it would have taken too much time out of the manga/anime eps. I also agree that Kold was prolly at level 2, and if that was so, then any higher levels of Kold would be stronger than Furiza level 4.

And as far as Tenshinhan's statement goes, it must have been changed from manga to anime. In the anime, he says that Kold's Ki is stronger than Furiza's.

SSJ Trunks did fight with non-SSJ Gohan with one arm, it was a flash back, I have the color manga to prove it, but it's in japanese, and i need a scanner....

Trunks turned SSJ long before Gohan was killed, and I don't need to watch some anime special if I have the manga, it shows how wrong that Gohan had the upper hand against the 2 androids but faleterd when both attacked. Android 18never fought Gohan, it was only android 17 who fought Gohan which had the upper hand against Gohan, but they were about even.

Then things must have gotten REALLY f-ed up between the manga and special. In the manga, what was Trunks' "motivation" to go SSJ? In the special, the rage that Trunks felt when Gohan was killed was the trigger to allow him to go SSJ.

You got all this from planet namek.com, 530,000 is his max in form 1, and put some percentages from what he's at so I know that you don't think Freiza was at max.

In form 2 at max, Freiza is at 1,060,000, he said he got 2x stronger, put some percentages there too...

In form 3 at max, Freiza should again double his power from form 2, and put his percentages there.

Okay this is where it goes insane... Freiza wasn't using 33.3% of his power, I saw a post from SkullMac saying he just put up a % there that lower than 50%, and higher than 25%.

By the way if Freiza was at 4,000,000, and Goku by your levels using kk*10 was at 3,000,000, then shouldn't of Goku gotten beaten into the ground? They were almost even before freiza went to 50% of his power, Freiza had the edge though.

Form 4 Freiza at 50%, that percentage is correct, but that level is from the daizenshuu which is wrong for many reasons.

70% is right, but the level is wrong because of the daizenshuu.

100% is right, but the level is wrong.

Okay, lemme see...
Furiza Form 1 50% power: 265,000 (I'm going to guess that Furiza was at half his max when he grasped hands with Vegeta, because Vegeta prolly couldn't get up to 530,000.
Furiza Form 1 100% power: 530,000 (If Furiza was to go to max, that would be the level.)
Furiza Form 2 100% power: 1,060,000 (Furiza's power was doubled after Transformation)
Furiza Form 3 100% power: 2,180,000 (Furiza's Power doubles again)

Now that I have those levels, please fill in the rest of Furiza Form 4 powers for me.

Also, about what you said about my levels for Goku at 3 mil and Furiza at 4 mil, Goku was prolly just faster and more agile than Furiza (just like Piccolo vs. Furiza form 2)

And your quotes about the power levels, why are you putting Vegeta Form 4 when he first transforms even to Vegeta? Vegeta was nowhere near as powerful as Furiza form 4, and Furiza never had to power up to fight Vegeta

Oh Tarkan X you don't need to answer this but how did Goku learn to fly the Sayian Ship back to earth after the fight with Freiza when the language was not in earthling but sayian.

I'll answer this...
In the anime at least (I dunno about the manga), Goku tries Furiza's ship, but it is broken and falls into the lava. Goku floats in the air and screams (and that is when we think Namek explodes). However, Goku sees one of the Ginyu ships and flies inside and just keeps hitting random buttons and passes out. When he awakes, he's on Planet Yardratt (It must have been the next planet on the Ginyu's course). I'm guessing that to get from Yardratt to Earth, goku puzzled out the language while on Yardratt.

Jenson

06-23-2002, 09:37 AM

I think i speak on behalf of everyone when i say, this thread should immediately be moved away to the non-related xmvssf, general filter. I mean what the heck does streetfighter vs. dragonball have to do with any xmvssf strategy or comments for that matter. I arrive on the forums today expecting to read a game wise strategy from an rival first hand. And what do i get streetfighter vs dragonballz. 18 pages of this crap. I mean for anyone that watches dragonball, will know the power level of zwarriors far exceeds the power level from all the street fighter characters combined together.

TarkanX

06-23-2002, 11:42 AM

Oh Tarkan X you don't need to answer this but how did Goku learn to fly the Sayian Ship back to earth after the fight with Freiza when the language was not in earthling but sayian.

It's the samething as the anime...

They didn't show us Kold's other forms prolly because it would have taken too much time out of the manga/anime eps. I also agree that Kold was prolly at level 2, and if that was so, then any higher levels of Kold would be stronger than Furiza level 4.

maybe....

And as far as Tenshinhan's statement goes, it must have been changed from manga to anime. In the anime, he says that Kold's Ki is stronger than Furiza's

yep, it was changed...

Then things must have gotten REALLY f-ed up between the manga and special. In the manga, what was Trunks' "motivation" to go SSJ? In the special, the rage that Trunks felt when Gohan was killed was the trigger to allow him to go SSJ.

In the manga, you don't see Trunks turn SSJ for the first time, but I assume it was Gohan's training, and his dead friends he never knew.

Okay, lemme see...
Furiza Form 1 50% power: 265,000 (I'm going to guess that Furiza was at half his max when he grasped hands with Vegeta, because Vegeta prolly couldn't get up to 530,000.
Furiza Form 1 100% power: 530,000 (If Furiza was to go to max, that would be the level.)
Furiza Form 2 100% power: 1,060,000 (Furiza's power was doubled after Transformation)
Furiza Form 3 100% power: 2,180,000 (Furiza's Power doubles again)

Freiza should be over half his max whenever he transforms(not including form 4), I don't know why this is, but people debated at planet namek, and they found out freiza was over 50%, I'm going to have to look into this some more.

Yeah freiza's power doubled, but he was never at max in form 2, but a % for when he fought Piccolo, it has to be near 90% for obvious reasons, just ask me and I'll tell you...

when freizas power doubles to form 3, it should be 2,120,000 at max, not 2,180,000

Now that I have those levels, please fill in the rest of Furiza Form 4 powers for me.

Freiza form 4, 20%: 4,240,000(doubled)
Freiza form 4, 30%: 6,360,000
Freiza form 4, 50%: 10,600,000
Freiza form 4, 70%: 14,840,000
Freiza form 4, 100%: 21,200,000

You can disagree on thse, but I did calculations from the manga, and these seem pretty accurate, at least to me....

Also, about what you said about my levels for Goku at 3 mil and Furiza at 4 mil, Goku was prolly just faster and more agile than Furiza (just like Piccolo vs. Furiza form 2)

*check manga frames*

Looks like Freiza is going at a bit faster speed than Goku...

And your quotes about the power levels, why are you putting Vegeta Form 4 when he first transforms even to Vegeta? Vegeta was nowhere near as powerful as Furiza form 4, and Furiza never had to power up to fight Vegeta

Well when freiza just transformed, vegeta was healed, then after Freiza killed dende with a blast, then aimed for Gohan, but Vegeta Got in the way, and slapped Gohan, then the blast exploded. Vegeta was fast enough to see the blast, and slap Gohan's back so he doesn't get hit.

Then Freiza says, uh oh, he might be a threat, then after he powers up, but the power up doesn't look explosive.

I mean for anyone that watches dragonball, will know the power level of zwarriors far exceeds the power level from all the street fighter characters combined together.

And that is why we debate...

When I posted a topic, there wasn't a general forum, so I had to post it here, if you don't like reading this go away...(not to be mean or anything...)

SBYRD5

06-23-2002, 12:44 PM

Yes joe thats what I thought but I was looking for more of an answer that would explain my question but good info...

Oh and I think I like your Forum the best.

kilo

06-24-2002, 06:54 AM

I think it could be an equal fight if the did not teleport and stuff like that.
or...
How about we just combine them...

http://www.dbgt.com/gifs/s3.gif

Nantuko Joe

06-24-2002, 09:31 AM

Freiza should be over half his max whenever he transforms(not including form 4), I don't know why this is, but people debated at planet namek, and they found out freiza was over 50%, I'm going to have to look into this some more.

Yeah freiza's power doubled, but he was never at max in form 2, but a % for when he fought Piccolo, it has to be near 90% for obvious reasons, just ask me and I'll tell you...

when freizas power doubles to form 3, it should be 2,120,000 at max, not 2,180,000

Yeah, plz check into that for the both of us.

And sorry about the furiza 3 pl, that's New Jersey state education for you :D

Freiza form 4, 20%: 4,240,000(doubled)
Freiza form 4, 30%: 6,360,000
Freiza form 4, 50%: 10,600,000
Freiza form 4, 70%: 14,840,000
Freiza form 4, 100%: 21,200,000

You can disagree on thse, but I did calculations from the manga, and these seem pretty accurate, at least to me....

Those are correct mathematically, but noone knows the exact % power Furiza was at when he first went form 4. If what you say can be proven to be more accurate than mine, then I'll accept your levels.

Well when freiza just transformed, vegeta was healed, then after Freiza killed dende with a blast, then aimed for Gohan, but Vegeta Got in the way, and slapped Gohan, then the blast exploded. Vegeta was fast enough to see the blast, and slap Gohan's back so he doesn't get hit.

Then Freiza says, uh oh, he might be a threat, then after he powers up, but the power up doesn't look explosive.

I see...

Is there any site you know of that posts the manga? I've gotta read it myself to believe it.

Oh and I think I like your Forum the best.

Thanks. Have you registered for it yet?

And that is why we debate...

When I posted a topic, there wasn't a general forum, so I had to post it here, if you don't like reading this go away...(not to be mean or anything...)

Exactly. No one's forcing you to read it.

SSJKarma

06-24-2002, 11:46 AM

TarkanX

06-24-2002, 12:24 PM

Those are correct mathematically, but noone knows the exact % power Furiza was at when he first went form 4. If what you say can be proven to be more accurate than mine, then I'll accept your levels.

Well since Toriyama hates using PL's, and he puts about all of his PL's ending in 0's(except the 1st PL's given), he might as well put % in ending 0's.

20%(transformed)
30%(against Goku's kk*10, and against Vegeta)
50%(against Goku's kk*20)
70%(against genki-dama, and SSJ Goku)
100%(against SSJ Goku)

Is there any site you know of that posts the manga? I've gotta read it myself to believe it.

Well the only site I know of is dbzgtlegacy.com, but they have hardly anything on it....

There is another great site called Toriyamaworld.com led by AK of Troy(quite possibly has the best knowledge of DB, but only under to Toriyama).

if the Zwarriors are that strong against frieza, cell and buu, what does a simple human doesn't have that makes him unable to be at that same power level ?

The Humans by the end of DB"Z" didn't pass the level of one million, though it's not known, Krillin doesn't train after Cell dies, and loses power, Yamucha doesn't train after Cell dies and loses power, Tien still trains after Cell dies, but he only trains in the wild life, not nothing big like gravity, or stuff like that.

in this point of view they are all equals in power, it is just training who makes em going that far ! so SF chars ARE equal to DB chars !

Not necessarily

what do you think of my POV ?

I might be the first to ask.. what is a POV? is it a theory? but since your "POV" has to do with what you said, it's wrong, but it's a good try.

Nantuko Joe

06-24-2002, 01:39 PM

i ask a question to anyone who can answer with a "not too stupid answer".

if the Zwarriors are that strong against frieza, cell and buu, what does a simple human doesn't have that makes him unable to be at that same power level ?

remember that Kururin, yamcha and tien are humans !

in this point of view they are all equals in power, it is just training who makes em going that far ! so SF chars ARE equal to DB chars !

what do you think of my POV ?

In DB"Z", Kuririn, Yamucha, and Tenshinhan are the only true humans on earth who can control their "ki" or "chi". "Ki" is what some Japanese/Asian ppl believed in, a kind of mystical energy source. Kuririn, Yamucha, and Tenshinhan can all control and manipulate their "ki", and therefore are much, much stronger than the rest of the human race.

So therefore, the power of the character's "ki" is just as important (if not more important) then the character's training, and therefore does not make them equal to SF characters.

The Humans by the end of DB"Z" didn't pass the level of one million, though it's not known, Krillin doesn't train after Cell dies, and loses power, Yamucha doesn't train after Cell dies and loses power, Tien still trains after Cell dies, but he only trains in the wild life, not nothing big like gravity, or stuff like that

Tenshinhan has to have passed a power level of 1 million! According to your power levels, you have the Androids at over 100 million each! Now, since Cell not only was stronger than the androids, but ABSORBED android 17, then Cell (according to your levels) must be over 250 million! Now, how could a less-than-1-million level Tenshinhan hold off a greater-than-250-million Semi-perfect Cell with a Shin Ki Ko Ho? Yes, I realize that Shin Ki Ko Ho is an extremely powerful move, but if the user has less than 1 million, there's no way it could hold off someone thats around 250 million. I'm going to have to say that Tenshinhan was powered up while using Shin Ki Ki Ho, and therefore had a pl of way over 1 million.

I might be the first to ask.. what is a POV? is it a theory? but since your "POV" has to do with what you said, it's wrong, but it's a good try

POV means Point Of View.

SBYRD5

06-24-2002, 01:59 PM

Perfect Cell had a power level of 300 million something

TarkanX

06-24-2002, 02:30 PM

In DB"Z", Kuririn, Yamucha, and Tenshinhan are the only true humans on earth who can control their "ki" or "chi". "Ki" is what some Japanese/Asian ppl believed in, a kind of mystical energy source. Kuririn, Yamucha, and Tenshinhan can all control and manipulate their "ki", and therefore are much, much stronger than the rest of the human race.

ki or chi translates to energy, it's the definition of what you said....

So therefore, the power of the character's "ki" is just as important (if not more important) then the character's training, and therefore does not make them equal to SF characters.

Smost of the SF cast can manipualte ki like the DB characters...

And especially the strongest SF characters...

Akuma
Oro
Bison
Twlve(doesnt have ki)
Gill(doesnt really manipulate ki)

Tenshinhan has to have passed a power level of 1 million! According to your power levels, you have the Androids at over 100 million each! Now, since Cell not only was stronger than the androids, but ABSORBED android 17, then Cell (according to your levels) must be over 250 million!

yeah Cell is much over 250 million by my PL's, but I still don't think Tenshinhan passed one million...

Now, how could a less-than-1-million level Tenshinhan hold off a greater-than-250-million Semi-perfect Cell with a Shin Ki Ko Ho? Yes, I realize that Shin Ki Ko Ho is an extremely powerful move, but if the user has less than 1 million, there's no way it could hold off someone thats around 250 million. I'm going to have to say that Tenshinhan was powered up while using Shin Ki Ki Ho, and therefore had a pl of way over 1 million.

Tenshinhan doesn't have a Power level way over one million, and even if he was one million, I doubt, and most people would too doubt that Tenshinhan would be way over one million...

Lets take things into concideration:

Tenshinhan does a shin kikohou on semi-perfect Cell...

The Shin Kikouhou doesn't make a single dent on Cell, it just pushed him back, that's it.

The Shin kikouhou was over ten million by my PL's, but was no where near Cell, and Tenshinhan in the manga wore out pretty easily...

Perfect Cell had a power level of 300 million something

I sincerely doubt that....

SBYRD5

06-24-2002, 02:41 PM

After the selfdesruction...
http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/akuma-gks.gif

TarkanX

06-24-2002, 08:15 PM

Okay... I got the theory why Freiza's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd forms had to be over 50% at start....

Well we know Freiza form 1 at max is 530,000, and form 2 max is 1,060,000, and form 3 is 2,120,000....

well 50% of 1,060,000 is 530,000, Freiza is stated to always be above his previous level no matter what..., so he has to be at least 60% at start when he transformed into form 2...

form 3 goes for the same for form 2, his max at form 3 is 2,120,000, if Freiza used 50% of his max in form 3, he'd be at his max level in form 2, which Freiza stated to always be above his previous level no matter what...,

form 4, freiza doubled his power from form 3, and was at 20% at start up in form 4....

Well about form 1, it goes for the same like 2 and 3, though you can't really clarify it clearly because there isn't a form before that....

But Freiza at form 1 50% would be at 265,000, but we don't know what freiza form 1's % was at when "fighting" Vegeta...

But we can take other theories from Freiza...

-Freiza can't be at max in any of his forms, because it'll really stress out Freiza

-Freiza's % always end in "0"

-Freiza starts out over 50% in form 2 and form 3

SBYRD5

06-24-2002, 10:24 PM

Well Frezia's max's MAX is 15 million and SSJ Goku was 19 million... So how did we get into the hundred millions???
Oh could you also post at the two points Piccolo was the strongest....thats all.
Oh Tarkan X you need to be a high level Bot or something,
and yes your points about Frezia are very exact.I know this because lately in the offical Dragon Ball Z website. The sponsers and voice ppl explained power levels.(The one about Cell at 300 million was way off). Besides that everything was right on.Yes and keep up the posting you may get an award....maybe. ;)

TarkanX

06-24-2002, 10:36 PM

Well Frezia's max's MAX is 15 million and SSJ Goku was 19 million... So how did we get into the hundred millions???

Freiza's max wasn't at 15 million, and SSJ Goku wasn't at 19 million, whatever SSJ Goku's PL is, it's even with form 4 freiza at max, it's probably "over 20 million", but not by much.

Look down at the previous pages to see how we got into hundred millions, I dont feel like repeating myself 1,000 times...

Oh could you also post at the two points Piccolo was the strongest....thats all

Piccolo was the stronggest Z warrior when he permanently fused with Nail(at the time before Vegeta got healed), and also Piccolo was the strongest Z warrior in the time when he fused with Kami-sama

TarkanX

06-24-2002, 10:40 PM

Oh Tarkan X you need to be a high level Bot or something,

...wtf....

and yes your points about Frezia are very exact.I know this because lately in the offical Dragon Ball Z website. The sponsers and voice ppl explianed power levels.(The one about Cell at 300 million was way off)

Don't go to that official DB"Z" site, that site is the dubbie site... and Cell's PL should be much higher than 300 million.....

natedog

06-25-2002, 09:33 AM

yall know alot about dragonball z and gt and all the other ones. me, i love the show and know that dragonball would win over streetfighter.
http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/ryu-cvs-hadoken-a.gif

Nantuko Joe

06-25-2002, 10:50 AM

TarkanX

06-25-2002, 02:04 PM

Tarkan, I was just about ready to accept your pls for Furiza (that at 100% power form 4 he was around 20 million), but then I remembered something: Goku was at 90,000 max while fighting Ginyu. After he healed (and went SSJ), then he must have been at 20 million to combat Furiza, right?

He was at 90,000 max against Ginyu yes, then he got healed, since he was beaten up BADLY, then the healing gave him a huge power-up to around 600,000. And when he first went SSJ for the first time, he got a huge increase. SSJ Goku was even with form 4 freiza at max.

So, how the hell could Goku go from a 90 thousand max to a 20 million max in the matter of a few episodes? Here, I have charted Goku's various growths during DBZ:

Goku was healed in the healing room, then SSJ gave him a HUGE increase...

Goku Vs: Radditsu (w/o weighted clothing): 416
Goku's Kamehameha: 924

yep

Now, we can consider his power level using the Kame Hame Ha as his max power. Now, the next level we have for Goku is while fighting Nappa. At his max power (after powering up), he was around 8,000. That would indicate a 850% increase in his power (if my math is correct).

He was "over 8,000", around 8,100 when fighting Nappa, he got up there because of Kaio-sama(king kai), Kaio-sama's training was special training. He got to learn the kaio-ken, and the Genki-dama, and was sustaining in gravity....

His Kamehameha wasn't his max power, or he'd be using 924 the whole fight... the kamehameha when the power level was raised is called dormant ki. Dormant ki is when you can raise your power level by doing other such attacks like kamehameha, and so on... and Goku got an increase of about 19x.

Now, not counting Kaio-kens during this period, his max was around 8,000. The next level we have for him is at 90,000 on namek. Going from 8,000 to 90,000 would indicate around a 1,100% increase in his power.

That's because Goku trained in harsh gravity level, he trained in 100x earths gravity! That's an increase of about 11x.

Now, we can't determine the next time Goku maxes out without using the Kaio-ken, because he was using it the entire fight with Furiza.

Well Goku was using kk*10 against freiza form 4 at 30%, and was almost even with Freiza, just deduct Gokus power by 10, and whatever freiza's PL is, Goku at kk*10 is close to it.....

Therefore, the next max level we would have for Goku would be SSJ Goku at his max.

yep.....

Since you have Furiza listed at around 20 million, let's assume that Goku was also at 20 million (they were pretty evenly-matched during the fight. That would indicate a 22,200% increase in his power. 22,200%! In about a day! For Goku to increase the 850% to fight Nappa, it took a whole year. To increase the 1,100% increase it took I think a month, while training under extremely harsh conditions (100x earths gravity). Now, for someone to make a 22,200% increase just by being healed and transforming in a day or so seems extremely unrealistic, even compared to normal DBZ growth levels.

That's because SSJ level was a huge increase, since he turned SSJ for the first time... now the SSJ form decreases each time, it went from like 60x increase or whatever in the frieza saga, to a 4x increase in the Buu saga(proven by kiris, and weights).

SBYRD5

06-25-2002, 02:35 PM

NANTUKO JOE and Tarkan X check this out.....

Frieza(from 4-33.33%):4,000,000
So for Goku to match Frezia he was fighting with Kaioken times 12 between 15.
At Frieza or (Fruzia) max (form 4-100%):12,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku:15,000,000
Note: Frezia used 33.33% of his power fighting Vegeta both times in first form(Form1):530,000 and last (Form4):4,000,000
Level first fight(Vegeta:120,000)Level secound fight(Vegeta:300,000)
Also Vegeta was stronger than Goku two times in the series
Frieza Saga and Android Saga.

ANDROID SAGA
----------------
Super Saiyan Goku(not sick): 25,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(sick):10,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 27,000,000
Android 19:10,000,000
Android 20(Doctor Gero): 5,000,000
Piccolo was also the strongest two saga's being the same as vegeta.
Piccolo: 8,000,000
Piccolo (fused with Kami):40,000,000
Android 16:40,000,000
Android 17:35,000,000
Android 18:35,000,000
Cell(after absorbing humans):45,000,000
Cell(after absorbing Android 17):65,000,000
(AFTER TIME CHAMBER)
Super Saiyan Vegeta:80,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks:90,000,000
Perfect Cell:125,000,000
Ultra Super Saiyan Trunks:135,000,000
----------------------------------------
CELL SAGA
Cell(After being healed by Goku):150,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 120,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan: 130,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 100,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks: 105,000,000
Piccolo:55,000,000
SUPER SAIYAN LEVEL 2 GOHAN:325,000,000
SUPER PERFECT CELL(cell after explosion):300,000,000

http://tsr-corp.com/test/gohan.jpg
I'll post more power levels if you want Tarkan X.... :D

TarkanX

06-25-2002, 02:49 PM

Please stop with all those wrong Power levels.... those were the same Nantuko Joe posted at senshuk, and other various places...

SBYRD5

06-25-2002, 04:15 PM

thankx I didn't know ???

SSJKarma

06-25-2002, 06:44 PM

My POV is the best in here !

i cant believe iv'e been trown away by you tarkan, even you nantuko... i thought you would agree with me !

i'll reexplain the whole thing !

KI or CHI = Power Level
Training = what making it raise !

so basically, without training your Power Level cannot raise !

so anyone including krillin can be at a really high PL !
the thing is, SAIYENS are the big heroes in the DBZ universe so it's just normal they are Way higher than the others ! want some example of my POV, fine ill give you some !

Videl w/o ki = strong as her father
videl with ki = stronger than her father

how did she get higher by TRAINING to use her ki
krillin,yamcha,chaosu,tenshinhan were all equals to goku in DB how did goku surpasses em ? simply because he is the hero of the serie and he is saiyen so his PL raise with each battle just like all the saiyen !

the saiyen here are just to overpowered by toriyama cause THEY are HEROES in the serie not the others ! so basically, even yamcha could have defeated those androids ! (theoricaly)

im pretty sure that if the saiyen werent raising their PL by fighting and getting near death they would have the same PL as all the others !

the thing is w/o training none of them all could have defeated a single saibaman !

that's the whole thought i had when i said that they were all equals in the end !

last example, why is mr. satan is the best ? cause he trained to be !

TarkanX

06-27-2002, 10:50 AM

KI or CHI = Power Level
Training = what making it raise !

so basically, without training your Power Level cannot raise !

ki means energy which means power level, training is what makes it raise... And without training, the PL doesnt raise, and the PL goes down(stated in the Buu saga... Gohan, and Yamucha didn't train for those 7 years).

so anyone including krillin can be at a really high PL !
the thing is, SAIYENS are the big heroes in the DBZ universe so it's just normal they are Way higher than the others ! want some example of my POV, fine ill give you some !

Krillin could have a high PL even if he was human, but the only power ups he got in DB"Z" was the training with Kami-sama which raised his PL from 206 to 1,500, and the old Namek power up which raised his PL from around 1,700 to 24,000.

Krillin never had any special power-up or training after that...

Videl w/o ki = strong as her father
videl with ki = stronger than her father

I would say Videl is probably weaker than her father without the real training, but then she got much stronger than her father...

how did she get higher by TRAINING to use her ki
krillin,yamcha,chaosu,tenshinhan were all equals to goku in DB how did goku surpasses em ? simply because he is the hero of the serie and he is saiyen so his PL raise with each battle just like all the saiyen !

Krillin was almost near Goku when the first met, Yamucha wasn't near Goku, but close enough to compete with him, Tenshinhan was even with Goku in one of the bodoukai's then Goku grew stronger, Goku is stronger than chaotzu...

and Saiya-jins PL doesn't grow after a fight, it grows when they train, go to another level, or get healed after having their body savagely beaten...

the saiyen here are just to overpowered by toriyama cause THEY are HEROES in the serie not the others ! so basically, even yamcha could have defeated those androids ! (theoricaly)

If Yamucha had the same training as the Saiya-jins, but didn't have any forms like the Saiya-jins, Yamucha still wouldn't stand a chance against the android 17 and 18 or 16, but he would beat android 19 and 20....

im pretty sure that if the saiyen werent raising their PL by fighting and getting near death they would have the same PL as all the others !

Nope, your forgetting about the SSJ forms.....

the thing is w/o training none of them all could have defeated a single saibaman !

That's really true, they'd get slaughtered...

last example, why is mr. satan is the best ? cause he trained to be !

Mr. Satan doesn't show any display of power in the manga, the only power he shows is winning the tenkaichi bodoukais... against average humans who train...

If I had rate Mr, Satan's PL, I'd put him at 10 at lowest, and 15 at tops.

The average humans PL is 5, and average humans who train are probably 7 or 8.

hmm.... the fighters who were fighting in the tenkaichi bodoukai on the day Goku was alive for one day got an average of about 90, and Mr. Satan got 137, that probably makes Mr. Satan 50% stronger, so if the fighters in the tourney were at 8, that'd make Mr. Satan at 12.

TarkanX

06-27-2002, 01:30 PM

*bump*

SSJKarma

06-27-2002, 03:21 PM

you're just saying exactly what i meant TarkanX !

i dont remember who, but someone said DB would win cause of their PL. what i replyed was that even SF chars could get to that level if they had training like the DB one got !

TarkanX: it is stated in the serie that after every fight, saiyens get a little boost in PL ! vegeta didn't get any power-up when he was beaten by zarbon 2nd form and when he came back he beated it easily !

unless it is not stated in the manga (cant believe it, if it hasn't happen) then what i said is real true !

krillin and the rest of the gang (yamcha,tien,chaozu) had more than 1 million (but i dont think they had more then 5) cause they wouldn't have had any chances against the androids (19 and 20, not the others)...

it was stated in the serie (again, i dont know about the manga) that they were way more powerfull (all of the zwarriors) that what they were suppose to be !

TarkanX

06-27-2002, 03:52 PM

TarkanX: it is stated in the serie that after every fight, saiyens get a little boost in PL ! vegeta didn't get any power-up when he was beaten by zarbon 2nd form and when he came back he beated it easily !

No it wasnt stated saiya-jins grow their PL after every fight, it was stated that saiya-jins grow their PL after they get almost beaten to death.

krillin and the rest of the gang (yamcha,tien,chaozu) had more than 1 million (but i dont think they had more then 5) cause they wouldn't have had any chances against the androids (19 and 20, not the others)...

They werent at one million, the only one likely to be at least cose to one million would be Tenshinhan...

We know that Krillin in the Cell saga and Yamucha wasnt at one million, when Cell died, Krillin stopped training, and Yamucha, and when you dont train, you get weaker, so they werent at one million.

it was stated in the serie (again, i dont know about the manga) that they were way more powerfull (all of the zwarriors) that what they were suppose to be !

Don't know about that, I just know that they are strong

SSJKarma

06-28-2002, 05:59 AM

It was stated by dr. gero himself !

something:"i come my calculation were so wrong about their PL's" he was talking about every ZWarrior.

i dont know if that meant something, but i can tell by that sentence that they were all way much stronger than what they were 3 years ago ! so they had to be stronger than 1 million or at least they were real close to it !

krillin stops training when he get married with 18 and get a child (family obligation)

dont know if its true, but had tien fight in a way in the buu saga ? i know he dodged the genocide attack, but i heard had helped gohan without being notice ! (deviation of a blast)

is this true ?

TarkanX

06-28-2002, 09:38 AM

It was stated by dr. gero himself !

Where...?

something:"i come my calculation were so wrong about their PL's" he was talking about every ZWarrior

Yeah Dr Gero rpedicted that their power would be so weaker than when he met them... Dr. Gero only means the stronger ones, and he didn't say that quote in that form in the manga...

i dont know if that meant something, but i can tell by that sentence that they were all way much stronger than what they were 3 years ago ! so they had to be stronger than 1 million or at least they were real close to it !

Lets say Krillin was at 50,000 when Trunks arrived... Krillin trains 3 years, no special training, just any regular human training(except better I guess), you honestly think Krillin owuld get a multiplier of 20 in 3 years doing no special training, and just regular training?!!? Same goes for Yamucha and Tenshinhan...

krillin stops training when he get married with 18 and get a child (family obligation)

Okay yeah that is true.... so he only trained for like 3 years, then stopped training for 4 years in those 7 years... but it wasn't any special training...

dont know if its true, but had tien fight in a way in the buu saga ? i know he dodged the genocide attack, but i heard had helped gohan without being notice ! (deviation of a blast)

Tenshinhan did the Shin Kikohou on Buu, and just pushed Buu back not damaging him one bit, the other stuff is not true...

SSJKarma

06-28-2002, 03:08 PM

i had enough of all you saying im wrong on anything i say !

so ill just say this...

STOP SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT PL CAUSE NO ONE HERE IS IN THE MIND OF AKIRA TORIYAMA AND NO ONE WILL EVER DO !

PL is nothing more than a meter who shouldn't have been used in the first place !

i love krillin and i will always consider him able to kill cell if he would have really wanted it !
same goes for mr satan !

since trunks beat freeza there is no PL given anywhere else so you cant say how much SSJ or Kaioken give's in there PL !

i dont care if goku was at 3000000000000000 when he fought ubuu, it was a nice fight and that's all that count ok ! now stop saying anything about PL cause its nothing more than a raison to flame people !

TarkanX

06-28-2002, 08:02 PM

Okay that's true... I guess....

Dan Hibiki

06-28-2002, 11:16 PM

I missed a lot of discussing, I see.

THIS IS NOT FLAMING. I just want a piece of the debate that I missed.

Power levels were made just as a neat way of showing how Freeza's henchmen could detect fighters, and to discover the neat reactions they could have when a fighter raises their power and revealing their true natures to the meters. Akira Toriyama ditched the power levels after the Freeza saga because (for one) all the people who used them were dead. The other reason is that he felt the levels were too limiting. I personally don't see the reason for debating the power levels so fiercely.

Now, a few points I want to make clear:

1. Chi could be put into English as describing it as internal spiritual energy. Ki is an outward manifestation of Chi. The ability to use ki is read as battle power (Japanese) or power level (English). Those who are trained in being able to use their own ki PROPERLY have higher power levels.

2. All beings are able to use ki in a limited fashion. If they weren't then there would be nothing for power level readers, like scouters, to pick up. This is also why the Dragon Balls can be picked up on the scouters; because the Dragon Balls have their own ki. Now, those who are trained to be able to use their ki properly have a higher ki output, causing a higher reading.

3. Physical strength can only go so far. Muscles can only get so strong, and creatures can only go so fast on their own. This is where ki comes into play in fighting. Those who know how to apply ki in fighting can use ki to boost their attributes. When people power up they raise how much they are using their ki to enhance their own abilities.

4. Super Saiya-jin transformations result in an exponential increase in ki, but also results in a change in physical attributes. The transformation allows for an unreal amount of ki enhancement, but at the same time has base fraudelent power increases, as is shown in the transformation to Super Saiya-jin Dai 3 Dankain (or Ultimate Super Saiyan 3 or Ascended Saiyan when Mirai Trunks fought Perfect Cell). The increase in fraudelent muscular power resulted in being less aerodynamic, and making it harder to have total freedom of motion.

5. WHY CHARACTERS IN DRAGONBALL DON'T MOVE AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Just want to clear this up with a real explanation here. The human eye can only perceive single images at 60 frames per second; 60 unique images per second. Anything beyond that is, "quicker than the eye." So in essence, to move faster than the human eye you need only move so fast that you are in and out of a human's sight range in under 1/60 of a second. 'Course, Goku's Shunkan Idou technique has a speed of infinity if you do the math, but that doesn't count because that is teleportation.

6. Saiya-jins have a natural talent for being able to train and raise their ki. This is why they become stronger so much faster than other races. Explain how Goku as a kid without seriously applying himself (before Buluma found him) was stronger than Kullilin, who was a serious fighter back then.

7. The fact that people lose ki as they don't train isn't entirely true. Muten Roshi is over 300 years old throughout Dragonball and DBZ, and his power throughout the entire thing remains at 139. What does he do all day? Look through hentai magazines. That doesn't seem like ki training to me.

8. When people train their ki they fight and do excercises while raising their own attributes with ki. In a sense this increases their capacity, much like how people get bigger muscles when they lift weights all the time.

SUPPOSITIONS BEGIN HERE

9. My guess on Mr. Sataan's power level is about 20. There is no way that he could pull off Zanzouken (which Goku could do in his first Tenkaichi Budokai). In addition, he could not have beaten the giant human fighters that showed up at the tournaments and lost in the elimination rounds in Dragonball.

10. Kullilin's power level would never have come close to 1,000,000. Never. If he was at 24,000 while fighting Freeza on Namek, then he could've been at 100,000 TOPS for the Tenkaichi Budokai during the Buu Saga. As for Yamucha, I find it easier to believe him being at around 50,000 during that tournament, because he basically quit training totally. As for Tenshinhan I find it realistic for him to be around 250,000 during the Buu Saga.

TarkanX

06-29-2002, 09:40 PM

Power levels were made just as a neat way of showing how Freeza's henchmen could detect fighters, and to discover the neat reactions they could have when a fighter raises their power and revealing their true natures to the meters. Akira Toriyama ditched the power levels after the Freeza saga because (for one) all the people who used them were dead. The other reason is that he felt the levels were too limiting. I personally don't see the reason for debating the power levels so fiercely.

Yep...

1. Chi could be put into English as describing it as internal spiritual energy. Ki is an outward manifestation of Chi. The ability to use ki is read as battle power (Japanese) or power level (English). Those who are trained in being able to use their own ki PROPERLY have higher power levels.

Yep

2. All beings are able to use ki in a limited fashion. If they weren't then there would be nothing for power level readers, like scouters, to pick up. This is also why the Dragon Balls can be picked up on the scouters; because the Dragon Balls have their own ki. Now, those who are trained to be able to use their ki properly have a higher ki output, causing a higher reading.

yep

3. Physical strength can only go so far. Muscles can only get so strong, and creatures can only go so fast on their own. This is where ki comes into play in fighting. Those who know how to apply ki in fighting can use ki to boost their attributes. When people power up they raise how much they are using their ki to enhance their own abilities.

yep

4. Super Saiya-jin transformations result in an exponential increase in ki, but also results in a change in physical attributes. The transformation allows for an unreal amount of ki enhancement, but at the same time has base fraudelent power increases, as is shown in the transformation to Super Saiya-jin Dai 3 Dankain (or Ultimate Super Saiyan 3 or Ascended Saiyan when Mirai Trunks fought Perfect Cell). The increase in fraudelent muscular power resulted in being less aerodynamic, and making it harder to have total freedom of motion.

yep

5. WHY CHARACTERS IN DRAGONBALL DON'T MOVE AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Just want to clear this up with a real explanation here. The human eye can only perceive single images at 60 frames per second; 60 unique images per second. Anything beyond that is, "quicker than the eye." So in essence, to move faster than the human eye you need only move so fast that you are in and out of a human's sight range in under 1/60 of a second. 'Course, Goku's Shunkan Idou technique has a speed of infinity if you do the math, but that doesn't count because that is teleportation.

Yeah, but SSJ Gotenks moved at the speed of light...(but just to make sure I'll check the manga again)

6. Saiya-jins have a natural talent for being able to train and raise their ki. This is why they become stronger so much faster than other races. Explain how Goku as a kid without seriously applying himself (before Buluma found him) was stronger than Kullilin, who was a serious fighter back then.

yep

7. The fact that people lose ki as they don't train isn't entirely true. Muten Roshi is over 300 years old throughout Dragonball and DBZ, and his power throughout the entire thing remains at 139. What does he do all day? Look through hentai magazines. That doesn't seem like ki training to me.

8. When people train their ki they fight and do excercises while raising their own attributes with ki. In a sense this increases their capacity, much like how people get bigger muscles when they lift weights all the time.

yep, but his PL wasn't at 139 when he first trained Goku, Kamesennin got stronger from the training when he taught Goku and Krillin, and after he beat Goku in the Bodoukai, he said he was going to do some more serious training...

9. My guess on Mr. Sataan's power level is about 20. There is no way that he could pull off Zanzouken (which Goku could do in his first Tenkaichi Budokai). In addition, he could not have beaten the giant human fighters that showed up at the tournaments and lost in the elimination rounds in Dragonball.

I think Mr. Satan is a bit less than 20, he doesnt show much strength like you said except for winning the bodoukai's... Now the only real strength we see him do is the meter thing which he gets 137(and no his PL isn't 137, that punching meter and PL's are WAY different... but we can compare them...

an average human's PL is 5(the farmer is an average human, but works hard on his farm). Now the fighters who entered the bodoukai the day Goku came to earth for one day were average humans as well, but trained in some kind of martial arts. The average was about 90. Let's say the people who entered the bodoukai were at the PL of 7, since Mr. Satan got about 50% higher than the particapants in the bodoukai, I assume he's PL is about 11 or 12.

10. Kullilin's power level would never have come close to 1,000,000. Never. If he was at 24,000 while fighting Freeza on Namek, then he could've been at 100,000 TOPS for the Tenkaichi Budokai during the Buu Saga. As for Yamucha, I find it easier to believe him being at around 50,000 during that tournament, because he basically quit training totally. As for Tenshinhan I find it realistic for him to be around 250,000 during the Buu Saga.

Yep

SSJKarma

06-30-2002, 09:27 AM

ENOUGH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i'm out of here !
since the manga is god, i cant say anything !

TarkanX: do anyone has telled you that you are a pain in the ass sometime ?

krillin not strong and will not be ! let me laugh !
Mr. satan did show up more strenght in the TV show in the buu saga... but noooo, seems like the TV show (made by akira toriyama) is nothing more than funny joke thing compared to the manga so fine keep that in mind TarkanX if you want to !

i'll always think different than you cause i think were saying the same thing here except that people think saiyens are the strongest fighters and they won't even believe a single fighter like krillin or even mr. satana cannot do anything agaist a monster !

guess what !!!!!

krillin did saved the other zfighter a lot of time even when he wasn't as strong as the monster and even the others have made the same !

now if any mod can close that thread cause it has been pointless for 10 pages now !

TarkanX

06-30-2002, 11:45 AM

TarkanX: do anyone has telled you that you are a pain in the ass sometime ?

Yep, but they don't say it to my face....

krillin did saved the other zfighter a lot of time even when he wasn't as strong as the monster and even the others have made the same !

Yep....

TarkanX

06-30-2002, 09:50 PM

*bump for the last time* oy....

natedog

06-30-2002, 10:52 PM

im lost b/c of everyone having a different power level for each character in dbz. im confuzed :dontgetit:

Dan Hibiki

07-01-2002, 02:50 AM

The TV show was approved by Akira Toriyama and made by TOEI Animation, so Akira Toriyama didn't make it.

TarkanX

07-01-2002, 11:25 AM

By the way Dan whats the ratio for traveling at the speed of light, and how many miles is the world around the equator?

Dan Hibiki

07-01-2002, 01:44 PM

I don't know of a ratio, but the speed of light is 300,000 kilometers per second. The RADIUS of the Earth is about 6,387 kilometers... I don't know the circumference off the top of my head.

TarkanX

07-01-2002, 02:07 PM

300,000 km is equivalent to 186,420 miles, and the diameter of the earth is 7,900 so the radius is 3,950. the circumference is 7,900 x pi, which equals about 25,000, or 24,818.58

So that means you have to travel around the earth approximately 7.51 times in one second just to reach the speed of light

Dan Hibiki

07-02-2002, 04:19 AM

Bah, I could do that.

SSJKarma

07-02-2002, 03:23 PM

gotenks did 9x around the earth in about a sec in the buu saga !

thru, im pretty sure TarkanX will still deny that it happened in the manga so he'll still be saying that it is impossible so forget what i said cause whatever i say is simply of no importance cause no one cares about what i say !

*hit is head on the wall remembering that he wasn't suppose to talk in here again*

SBYRD5

07-03-2002, 02:30 PM

:angryfire: Yah Tarkan x you do shoot ppl down preety quick..... :hmmm:

TarkanX

07-03-2002, 05:09 PM

Okay Karma I'm sorry if I said all your answers or theories were wrong, but I didn't mean to say it negatively....

I don't mean to "shoot down" people, the words I say out of my mouth mean something different to them... that's why I always have to explain it everytime...

UrbanNinja

07-04-2002, 05:57 AM

DBZ..of course..these guys dont take s**t from NOBODY!!!

SBYRD5

07-05-2002, 02:16 PM

:dozingoff:Ifmily that fights to solve problems :exclamation:

sexyass

07-10-2002, 05:24 AM

I gotta say its streetfighter.I mean RYU can do a hadoken every sec and for goku it takes sooo long.RYU can do a super and doesnt have to take a long time .Chun-li does rapid kick and thier traped and soon they will all die.I also say X-men cuz almost all the characters are cheap.So DBz/GT SUCKS badly. :vampv:

SBYRD5

07-10-2002, 09:29 AM

Tarkan X include Xmen then I could say a combination that would take down the DB manga and DBZ mang series. :corky:

TarkanX

07-10-2002, 11:11 AM

Let this topic die......

Zaser

07-10-2002, 11:26 AM

Big Deal, sure Goku or Piccolo or anyone else can blow up pretty much anything, but my vote goes to Street Fighter, because even know Goku and the Z fighters are strong, when E. Honda sits on em, theres no getting up =)

DX Zero

08-24-2002, 05:57 PM

Today is July 10th?? ???

Ludacris

08-24-2002, 06:33 PM

DBZ rules over power but street fighter rules over coolness.....

SBYRD5

09-17-2002, 02:36 PM

When I made that post it was three months ago.......TarkanX told me to stop posting in this topic to let it die.Mainly because he grew tired of debating against me. I didn't have a clue what I was talking about back then I was just some noob trying to spam up this forum....... ???

Roll

09-17-2002, 04:31 PM

ok, Sbyrd, I know you're sad, but please, just move on! Tarkan left, and moping around about him isn't going to bring him back......

princevegetam

09-17-2002, 05:36 PM

:hmmm: man, tarkanX was always trying to boycott DBZ with these vs topics.

Dan Hibiki

09-17-2002, 05:51 PM

www.dictionary.com

You misused the word, "boycott."

And... LET THIS TOPIC DIE.

machine1

09-17-2002, 05:53 PM

:hmmm: man, tarkanX was always trying to boycott DBZ with these vs topics.
wtf u use boycott wrong!! :p

Roll

09-17-2002, 06:04 PM

As much as the arguments made me happy, this thread will probably be locked soon. So here is a poem dedicated to all of those who left anyone and everyone in this forum, whether we knew them or not. Just, don't make me keep doing this, ok? And beside the mod who'll lock this topic and state who they were, please do not post in here again.... no matter what...

[color=magenta:post_uid6]If you were coming in the fall,
I'd brush the summer by
With half a smile and half a spurn,
as housewives do a fly.

If I could see you in a year,
I'd wind the months in balls,
And put them each in seperate drawers,
Until their time befalls.

If only centuries delayed,
I'd count them on my hand,
Subtracting till my fingers dropped
Into Van Daemon's land.

If certain when this life was out,
That yours and mine should be,
I'd toss it yonder like a rind,
And taste eternity.

But now, all ignorant of the length
of time's uncertain wing,
It goads me, like the goblin bee,
That will not state it's sting.[/color:post_uid6]

machine1

09-17-2002, 06:08 PM

rune veryone!!! roll's on the loose!!!!!!! :laugh:

MasterX05

09-17-2002, 07:45 PM

nice poem roll :D but back to the topic *rubs his chin* i have to say DBZ why first of goku,gohan,vegeta,trunks,gotens or just gotrenks have higher speed stregnth and ki power than ryu,ken akuma,chunli etc... If goku goes ss3 or trunks and gotens fuse together and turn ss3 and Mystic gohan who is so powerful he barley goes in ss mode. For he does not need it.
Ryu and ken would have a hard time taking down a 9 and 10 year old and Akuma V.S Vegeta *rubs his chin again* well that would would be a macth that last longer then chunli vs andirod 18. Also uub could wipe them out for those who do not know who the hell is uub he is magin kid buu the pink guy who has been reborn as a black child and is trianed under goku. And for those who do not know what the hell about trunks and gotenks fusing and turing ss3 and mystic gohan then go to www.dragonballz.com check the T.V show time to see where it comes on at your time and look at the new episodes of DBZ finshing the rest of the buu saga.

Roll

09-17-2002, 07:47 PM

What don't you two understand about "don't post here again"?

MasterX05

09-17-2002, 07:52 PM

heheh sorry :laugh:

SBYRD5

09-18-2002, 09:06 AM

Well that was disrespectfull....but no one respects anyone anymore.....I'd say that would've been a great note to leave it on Roll.[quote]A mind is a terrible thing to waste

I suppose MasterX05 wasn't using his when he made that post... ???

Understand master you weren't meant to post in this topic...at all. This topic is a memorial of one of the best members of this online game.....he went by the name of TarkanX.........

princevegetam

09-18-2002, 01:10 PM

www.dictionary.com

You misused the word, "boycott."

And... LET THIS TOPIC DIE.
wtf? how did i use the word boycott wrong? it's exactly what i meant. as defined by dictionary.com:

To abstain from or act together in abstaining from using, buying, or dealing with as an expression of protest or disfavor or as a means of coercion

MasterX05

09-18-2002, 06:07 PM

Dan Hibiki

09-18-2002, 06:12 PM

STOP POSTING IN THIS TOPIC! NOW! LET IT DIE!

09-18-2002, 10:22 PM

.....LeT ThE ToPiC DiE.....

SBYRD5

09-20-2002, 02:32 PM

STOP POSTING IN THIS TOPIC! NOW! LET IT DIE!
Dan I didn't bring this topic back....actually you did.

When you told Joe how to bring the topic back remember. ???

QUIET_KILLER

09-20-2002, 02:52 PM

[quote:post_uid6="SBYRD5"][quote:post_uid6="Dan Hibiki"]STOP POSTING IN THIS TOPIC! NOW! LET IT DIE![/quote:post_uid6]
Dan I didn't bring this topic back....actually you did.

When you told Joe how to bring the topic back remember. ???[/quote:post_uid6]
Yup he doez have a point there.I did read the way that ? waz asked and also their was a link posted as well..

Dan Hibiki

09-20-2002, 03:58 PM

STOP POSTING IN IT NOW! Nantuko Joe asked for the link and I posted it, and then people resurrected the topic.

(R)Dragon(R)

09-21-2002, 11:11 AM

Dragonball Z

why do u want this topic to die?

princevegetam

09-21-2002, 11:44 AM

:angryfire: :angryfire: :angryfire:

do you not understand flipin english?! stop acting like a flipin #### and let this topic die. if you got a question use PM, you dumbass. now, mods lock this topic so that no more n00bish behavior can pollute this topic.

machine1

09-21-2002, 11:49 AM

wtf this topic old as hell stop posting here let this topic die!

SBYRD5

09-21-2002, 01:06 PM

First off, I'll you why TarkanX back then wanted that topic closed. He got tired of the questions simply.

Dan you two are confused. That is not the TarkanX recently that said that post about "Let This Topic Die..."

It was the Tarkan of when I was a noob about forums. Acctually I believe TarkanX would be flattered that we a community of XMVSSF recovered his ancient topic.

True Dan this topic should be closed but not forgoten. Actually it should be moved to Battle grounds as memorial Debate of=

TarkanX and company.

princevegetam

09-21-2002, 01:14 PM

SHUT UP! WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PPL?!! :angryfire: :angryfire: :angryfire:

let this flipin topic die, it's been said like 20 times now. if you want to add some additional info, just use PM!!

machine1

09-21-2002, 01:18 PM

SHUT UP! WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PPL?!! :angryfire: :angryfire: :angryfire:

let this flipin topic die, it's been said like 20 times now. if you want to add some additional info, just use PM!!
yep true dat

09-21-2002, 01:43 PM

u called me a spammer yesterday...and now look at ur status......u had 557 posts yesterday and now 611 .LMFAO