Without major change,this game'll be devoid of fun - As well as vets. a plea from the heart.

[viper2040]

Any No 0bs who want to rant or rave are not welcome here.
Wrestlemania especially is not allowed here--he ruines all my topics.

Nobody except n0 0bs cares about rank. I remember in my first days, all i cared about was rank. and this game was entertaining because of that. I had to be the best.

I now realize that rank means nothing--top 100 is dominated primarily by cheaters (boot u duing host game), n0 0b killers, and people who stay up 24-7 getting rank.

Without some sort of massive change, all vets will go the way of Stealth Dragon and TarkanX--embittered and enraged by n0 0b killers, and bored by the lackluster battles to the point of retiring from battles, rarely to be seen again.

We need a new ranking system to allow people to know who will give them a good challenge, and to suppress n0 0b killers.

In addition, we need more people to help regulate the forums and games. The games are being ruined by flooders and offensive n0 0bs.

Please, if any mods/Admins/Sysops are reading this, postpone any updates until you fix these more pressing issues. Updates cure the symptoms...you need to cure the problem. New characters can only keep vets for so long. If something is not done, then i too shall retire.
"There is no point in living if you cannot feel alive."

[hadoken king]

Yep I agree with you viper a new ranking system needs to be implemented I liked troy88's Idea you mod's should check it out if the thread is still up.....

EDIT:yes it is I just checked go here http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/cgi-bin....3;t=470

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Addressing everything in turn...

Nobody except n0 0bs cares about rank. I remember in my first days, all i cared about was rank. and this game was entertaining because of that. I had to be the best.

I now realize that rank means nothing--top 100 is dominated primarily by cheaters (boot u duing host game), n0 0b killers, and people who stay up 24-7 getting rank.

Without some sort of massive change, all vets will go the way of Stealth Dragon and TarkanX--embittered and enraged by n0 0b killers, and bored by the lackluster battles to the point of retiring from battles, rarely to be seen again.

We need a new ranking system to allow people to know who will give them a good challenge, and to suppress n0 0b killers.

In case you hadn't already noticed. All/most of the vets have already left. Very few remain... and what do will probably leave (which by now are all forum junkies). "Newer vets" will come to replace them as time passes... then they'll leave too. Nothing can be done to stop that.

Adressing the ranking issue... Because of lag, there is NO way to make a "perfect" rank system. A multi-ladder system is the closest thing that can be done right now, but I know TMy's open to suggestions on how to improve it. Once/if we get a "story mode," I'll make sure to bug him about a highscores.. :biggrin:

In addition, we need more people to help regulate the forums and games. The games are being ruined by flooders and offensive n0 0bs.

I'd like to bring a few other quotes in at this point...

Zing79's post:
"did anybody read TMyApp's post about how it would take a poopload of coding to give someone else mod status...read the the topic started by token.
and IF he ever did give out new mod status to ppl, it should be those who give back to the game, like warmor (hes got the official website)..

in every single mirc channel you dont get ops status by simply being a nice, smart guy, or being online all the time...you do something good for the channel, and you get mod status

I dont see it being any different in here...do something for the game, (like say start a tournament, and build a neatass website for it :biggrin: ), and you'll get ops status.

but dont expect it to happen any time soon anyway...hes got no intention of writing code for that right now...hes concentrating on the game right now" -Zing79

TMyApp 1st post:
"1: we can't just "get new mods"... mods have a "power" above normal users (as well as limited limited access to the main server)... and i'm not about to hand that "power" to just anyone...

2: i keep saying this: no mod has ever asked to be a mod... it will STAY this way....

3: smackdown is there to enforce the profanity filter, and, to enforce account bans... (he does that so damn well ) ... u have more "words" to add to the filter, fine.. send em my way.. (but not one per day or anything crazy like that.. get a nice long list goin b4 u send me the email)

and next time u complain.. just remmemba... @least we're tryin to enforce the law around here... i dont see too many of the "big games" (quake, cstrike... u name it) care and/or have even half as many features as we do.... "

TMyApp's 2nd post:
"a moderator (or a "mod") is that special someone who is hand-picked by TMyApp himself (no one knows how or why exactly... *cough*) to represent the XvsSF community... its standards, rules and values...

...no mod has EVER asked to be a mod, and it will always remain this way

but... sooner or later (or @least it seems that way) every mod falls to the "mod curse"... and while they are around and active for quite some time... once the curse sets in... they just vanish...

"It happened before, and it will happen again. It is just a matter of time..." -Armageddon (the movie)

for now, there is NO known cure for the "mod curse"... "

Considering those 3 posts, you should easily come to the conclusion that giving out modships isn't as easy as it would appear. Right now there's NO more then 4 people that even "behave" well enough at this to even be considered for that kind of position. Let alone chosen.

TMyApp has already turned the forum's filter on, added the bots to the chat, and even made that "######" section for the forum (thanks to SSJKarma's advice). There's not really much else that can be done. All the current mods are busy/distracted with life, and I doubt any more will be added to the roster now/any time soon...

Please, if any mods/Admins/Sysops are reading this, postpone any updates until you fix these more pressing issues. Updates cure the symptoms...you need to cure the problem. New characters can only keep vets for so long. If something is not done, then i too shall retire.
"There is no point in living if you cannot feel alive."

Well, for one, only Sysops can update the game, and only sysops are admins here. As for the ###### problem? I'm certain TMyApp is welcome to any/all ideas about new ranking systems and non-mod alternatives to keep spammers and "junk" posters to a minimum in the forum.

[viper2040]

well, heres my system

Player1 was the winner, and had a higher rank. Player 2 is the loser. And we're assuming that they are both using registered, non-"player" names (ie: player64)

(2*P2's points)
----------------------------------- minus .75*(rank difference)
(wins)

~~~~~~Player1:~~~~~~~~Player2:
score=~~16946~~~~~~~~~16146
rank=~~~9~~~~~~~~~~~~35
wins:~~~111~~~~~~~~~~526
losses:~~32~~~~~~~~~~~122
Player 1 wins
score:

32292
------- = 64
526

64-(.75*26)=44.5
Player1 gets 45 points (rounded up)

Additionally, there would be a minimum score system as follows:

Rank Difference~~~minimum scoreto prevent negative scores)
1-50~~~~~~~~27
51-200~~~~~~~23
201-500~~~~~~19
501-2000~~~~~14
2001-5000~~~~11
5001-10000~~~~8
10000+~~~~~~~5



so, if this happens,
player 1 player 2
rank = 1 rank = 13000
points= 6000 points = 345

the winner will be player 2
790
---------------- - (.75*12999) = -9726
45 (including the lose he already got)

the score becomes the min for a rank difference of 12999--4 points



Beat that

[viper2040]

as for the mod thing, i never said TMyApp would make more mods...i said we needed more people to enforce the rules. Smackdown sux, as does infinity bot. How about some snitchers, or "hall monitors"? or even,
a "mark for moderation" button in these forums? (see www.gamefaqs.com)

[DX Zero]

lmfao! thats a great idea.. but um yeah i think we already have some of those *cough* :biggrin:

[SSJKarma]

i'm with 2000warrior on this !

even if tmyapp gives mod power to someone else, would he even used it once ? i know i would get somethings done in the first moment just for fun of using that kind of power, but after it is just like going to work, and i would be less and less there ! that means that even if he give powers it probably won't solve the problems !

i mean the best example is warmor...
he did things at first but now he is less and less active !

no, adding more mods will definetely won't help that much.
i go with the bots too, they do their jobs, but it is true that they are quite buggy !
example:
- they kick for no reason (lots of thread that say so)
- they are easily bypassed (need more words)
- they don't kick lots of people that use bullpoop words !

but they are what they are and they are the best we can have !
at least you can still give idea to help the place... (queue to the ###### section idea )

now i got a big question to tmyapp...
why did you filter the "n e w b i e" ?

[Troy88]

Viper: I completely understand your plea, at least as far as the rankings are concerned. Fighting for rank is what made this game appealing to me when I started. The competitiveness is what made it all worth while.

Because, let's be honest here. This game, while it does have it's appeal (the "appeal" being able to play people from all around the world, basically), it doesn't measure up to the arcade version, and it never will, if for no other reason, the fact that there will always be lag involved in an online game. There are no air combos in this game, no grabs, and half the time, you don't even know if you're doing anything to your opponent. I started playing this game in the first place, because I WAS a fan of the arcade version (and was pretty damn good at it too, I might add), and to be perfectly honest, I didn't think much of this the first time I played. My first reaction (as I'm sure is the case with all n 0 0 b s ) was "why the hell aren't my attacks doing anything to my opponent." Then I realized that there weren't any air combos, no grabs, and limited special moves. Plus, it severely annoyed me that I couldn't use my gamepad for my PC to play (who the hell really enjoys using the keyboard, anyways).

I probably would have quit altogether if I hadn't noticed the top scores. The idea of building a reputation in an online community was very appealing to me, despite the fact that the game had been simplified. So I kept playing the game, and eventually started to like the game, even with all of it's flaws and shortcomings. It seemed reminiscient of old school Street Fighter 2, only with Street Fighter AND X-Men characters. That was good enough for me, because a TRUE X-Men vs. Street Fighter arcade experience, with people that I didn't know, just seemed impossible, without actually going to an arcade. I played and I played, learned several 'lag' strategies, and even made it to #1 at one time. I consider that time my 'prime,' because I played and enjoyed the game the most at that time.
However...

The same "appeal" that the topscores offered was a double-edged sword. Right about the same time that I reached #1 for the first and only time, there was someone else that was putting extreme pressure on me to keep it. It was fun at first, I have to admit. But after busting my ass to get to #1 in the first place, it got old...quick. This guy (don't even remember who it is, anymore) would literally fight all day, and I just couldn't keep up with him. After finally accepting that I'd never be a legend like Nferno and many others, I let him have the top spot. Just for the hell of it, I challenged him to a fight. He denied my challenge several times, and even avoided me for a while, but finally he gave in and gave me a fight. Imagine my surprise when I was able to defeat him with ease, 6 rounds in a row. I couldn't believe it. I felt like I was being mocked. I was thinking, "this is the kind of fighter that can out rank me?"

Up to that point, I didn't really have a good understanding of how the rank system worked. But after taking a close look at how it was set up, I began to realize....

...That all you have to do is kill n 0 0 b s all day to stay on top. I was fighting everyone when I worked my way to the top, and I was almost completely oblivious to how the ranks worked. My competition (the one who wouldn't let me have #1 for more than 5 minutes at a time, who had an almost flawless record), however, had a different strategy. He did fight just as many people as I did. But he didn't fight everyone. He was very selective about who he fought.

After realizing all this, I began to lose interest in the game, slowly but surely. It is a simple game, and it truly doesn't take long to master it. 90% of all the vets use an almost identical strategy with Ryu, and in all honesty, a match between two veteran Ryu users can go either way. At my prime, I consider myself to have been an equal with Nferno, and all the other top vets in the game. Does that sound conceited? I don't give a damn. It's the truth, and I think you all know what I'm talking about. You can only get so good at a game that is as simple as this, and furthermore, strategy will only take you so far in a game that is flawed with lag, that can make or break even the best of players.

Having said all that, it would only make sense that a simple game would get boring. Would you sit around and play Super Mario Brothers 1 day in, and day out? I wouldn't.

The topscores made the game interesting in my early days, and even to a small extent right before I completely lost interest. A simple game by itself will get boring. But...a simple game that offers competition among it's community, through the use of a top scores feature, is interesting. Or WAS interesting, up until I realized how easily a n 0 0 b-killer could come along, and take your spot away from you. If that's what it takes to stay on top, then I'd rather not be on top.

Now some of you might think or say, "you shouldn't just fight for rank, blah, blah, blah..." Save it. My argument is a hell of a lot more logical than that one liner. Competition is fun. You want the vets to stay? Make the game fun for them. Once they realize that the ranks are bull sh*t, and catered towards n 0 0 b-killers, they become inactive. It happened with me, it happened with Tarkan, and I'm sure it will happen with many others. If you can honestly tell me that you never once played with the prospect of being #1 in your head, AND that you still play the game as much as you did in your early days, then I'll shutup. But I think most of you know I'm right.

Some of the veterans here have caught on to the fact that the "competition" is what made the game so much fun, and started weekly tournaments, and other events. Now, having participated in one of the weekly tournaments, I must say, it was quite refreshing to fight others of equal (and even higher, in a few cases) skill level. It felt like the old days all over again. I have to give KKS props for doing what he's doing. However, tournaments around here are notorious for no shows. I'm not really blaming anyone...but the fact remains, no shows are a serious problem. Tournaments would be so much better if everyone that signed up, would show up. The other disadvantage to tournaments is (to me personally, anyways) that I don't like keeping appointments. I realize that this is the reason there are no-shows in the first place, but the difference is, I make sure I can be there the day that it is scheduled if I sign up. That's why the rank system could be so much better than it is. It could offer us the competition we crave, if only it were to be tweaked a little bit.

Well, I'm done talking about ranks and n 0 0 b-killers for the time being. Seems like I get all worked up, then nobody (except for TarkanX) listens to what I have to say. But if anything I've said makes any sense to you, then please, for the love of God, check out the link in my sig. I have a great idea of what can be done to discourage n 0 0 b-killing, but what good is a great idea if it gets no support. Honestly, I don't think it will make much of a difference anyways. TMyApp pretty much does what he wants to do, it's very rare that anyone's suggestions get taken seriously.




Now, about this "MOD" status B.S., I agree and disagree with you at the same time, 2000warrior. As far as moderating the chat room, I don't blame TMyApp for not wanting to go to the extra work of coding in a new MOD. I wouldn't want to do it. But at the same time, why should we all be expected to run around like little snitches, and email TMyApp every time someone comes in the chat room and starts cussing everyone out? It doesn't bother me (personally) enough to do anything about it. So what if someone has a filthy mouth. Welcome to the real world. If you people are offended so easily, what are you going to do when you work in a factory, with some foul-mouthed old-timer at your side, that won't shutup for a second. The sooner you learn how to deal with the @ssholes of the world, and stop your bitching, the better off you'll be in the longrun. You can't censor the entire world, you know.

The only thing I'd like to see changed in the chat room is the spamming. I can't get that /ignore feature to work for some reason, and sometimes people come in there and just type random characters over and over and hit enter. It's quite frustrating....

What I don't understand is, why can't there be more MODs in the forum? Is there some sort of law that says a MOD in the forum has to be a MOD in the chat room?

Now, here's the part where I specifically disagree with you, 2000warrior. You, Zing79 (from your quote), and even TMyApp speak of MOD status more like Deity status. It's not that big of a deal to moderate a forum, seriously. Give back to the community? Give me a break. That's probably why Warmor doesn't spend much time here in the first place, because he's too busy "giving back to the community" working on his website, to stop all the idiots from spamming around here. Why the hell do we have a locked sticky topic (projectz)? I've been here a long time, and I rarely see Warmor post, even when I first started.

The only criteria for a forum moderator should be that he/she spends a lot of time in the forum, is mature, will actually enforce the rules, and will treat everyone fairly, despite past rivalries/beefs with another member of the forum. That's it. "Giving back to the community" by making nifty little websites does not determine how good of a forum moderator he or she will be. Some people don't even know how to use HTML. Does that mean they aren't mature enough to moderate a forum? Does that mean they aren't capable of enforcing simple rules? I see people spamming, flaming, and being disrespectful left and right around here, and I don't see the people who have "given back to the community" doing a damn thing about it.

Also, I seem to be getting the impression that you have to kiss ass to become a moderator. Being on your best behavior, never swearing, etc, etc. Well I would like to point out that acheiving MOD status cleans up your act all by itself, to some extent. Take KKS for example. He used to flame, swear, and make fun of n 0 0 b s (not that I have a problem with it, I'm just saying...). But if you read his posts at the Senshuk forum, he was like a different person; he was helpful, considerate, and enforced the rules, just like he was supposed to. In other words, he did an excellent job. But if we were to discriminate against him because of his past flames and n 0 0 b-bashing, we never would have known it, would we? Having responsibility makes you more responsible.

[sexyass]

OF COURSE RANK MEANS NOTHIN.SINCE EVERYONE IS GOING CRAZY ABOUT RANK WE CAN DELETE THE WHOLE SYSTEM.

[Kingryu1]

noob. ur one of those ppl who only cares about rank so shut up. and there's to many long posts!?!? :laugh: