Without major change,this game'll be devoid of fun - As well as vets. a plea from the heart.

Troy88: You of all people should know that that "responsibilities" don't make you "responsible." Ahh well... I'll just leave a nice lenghty post for yer's to read since that's the kinda language you/we speak in...


About this rank B.S... I agree with you and don't at the same time, Troy88.. :biggrin:

Nobody would last long in xvssf without a points system. Why? Because there's no point in fighting. Hundreds of "######s" come and go every day, and just because of the staggering magnanimity of it, we have to have a points for people to base themselves off of (as well as to give them something to "shoot" for).

Everyone that I've known in this online game has played for the soul purpose of being getting a better rank and being called "the best" when they first joined. The ambition of being called "the best" just fills everyone's mind at one time or another. Is it something that needs to be stopped?

Not necissarily. Even if it were possible to create an "efficient" ranking system that was somehow based on how good you are, it still wouldn't stop people from lossing interest and bitching about it. And what would happen then? The people that cosistantly hold the top ranks would grow bored, quit carring, and leave.

People leave the game, not because it's "simple", but because it's the same thing. Ever single game you'll ever play, you'll get tired of at one point or another, no matter how simple or complex. Games like Pac Man compared to games like Load Runner prove this every day. While Load Runner is extremely complex, it gets boring in that you don't accomplish much and everything is just puzzles, whereas Pac Man is graphically and designed "simple", it's still something adictive because of its points system.

But back to the points system. Without a points system that allows players to surpass others, the guys at the top inevitablly will quit, because of lack of necessity to play. The points system we have now is rather "radical" and people have to play constantly to get to the top (whether you ###### kill or not). A points system that would keep the top players up there, would seem pretty neet at first... but then they'd just learn that they don't have to fight very much to retain their position, and eventually lose interest (which is inevitable in either case).

If ever there comes a proposal for a good ranking system in the game that will both include "skills" and the necessity to fight constantly, I'll be all for it. But until that day, I'm perfectly content with what we have. Hell everyone who bitches about it doesn't even fight anymore, so what's their problem?


Anyways, adressing the Mod issue...

TMyApp NEVER once said to start giving names or SN's of people. He simply wants a more efficient chat filter. One thing you oucht to remember is the "turning on" of the forum's filter. Before that, people complained, dissed, and all out ####-talked non-stop. As bad as I "think" Luna disses people, outbursts from ramziel and Subzeroninja were like reading walls in the bathrooms of school.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against swearing. I swear more then anyone I know, and I couldn't care less about how many times some angry #### calls me a "fag" or "######." But you have to realize that people play this game that arn't even in high school yet, and this is supposed to be a "family freindly" game. I agree with your statement "The sooner you learn how to deal with the @ssholes of the world, and stop your bitching, the better off you'll be in the longrun." But since it's commonplace with humans to let society set their boundaries, things like swearing can/will disturb people for no reason then that they've been raised their entire life to think that it's "bad" (not to mention creating the overall atmosphere of the game rather poopy).

A couple links that (might) make you understand a little better just why TMy is trying to moderate profanity:
Discussion about posiblility of a forum filter
Forum Filter being turned on

Last thing I'll say about swearing is that this IS a FREE GAME. If you don't like how TMy's running it with filters, you're MORE then welcome to leave.


Modship being a diety? That pretty much says it all. Having a "modship" in THIS forum isn't because you've been picked to help deal with the #### problem, and I doubt it ever was. Just look at the first mods, ewalk and Lordcyris. ewalk immidiatly was respected for his posts and tournament hosting, and Lordcyris for his posts and winning the tournament. The next one, Zing79 hosted 3 TOC's and created Senshukentaikai. Quass co-created Senshuk and helped him with the TOC's. Warmor created the first "official" website, and his comics.

What I'm trying to say here is, no mod has gotten their "priviledge" by being able to enforce the law... in fact, they've all done rather rotten jobs of it. After the first week(s), ewalk left, Lordcyris didn't/hasn't been around for a LONG time, Zing79 almost left exclusively to Senshuk once that was made, same with Quass, and Warmor never has been posting much around the official forum since the "olden days." It's quite obvious that TMy and leftyfb don't give modships to people that can/will enforce the law. I think of the modships as sort of a "prize" that gets awarded to the people that "give back" to the game (as Zing79 so well put it). Just as a tournament winner has the chance to possibly get a prize, a person who "help out" frequently and for long periods of time has the chance to be "awarded" a modship.

The criteria has always been that way, and always should be.

As for "having responsibility makes you responsible," I hate to diss anyone (especially my freinds) but contrary to what you think, KidKrazypoop never was a good admin at Senshuk (and none of them were after Zing79 and Quass). After getting a modship, he did the same thing most people do and did a few "quick" supervisions and such, then just rolled back and "let ####" happen. I mean, honestly, not a single justified ban (other then the regular mega-man) until THE LAST day?? People got away with everything at Senshuk (posting in registration topics for no reason, spamming, posting h8te 24/7, etc.) and the only person that I ever saw trying to stop that was Quass (who should have been retired). Now that the forum is gone, KidKrazypoop is the same guy he always was, and I don't exactly see him dissing ######s constantly.

Having responsibility doesn't make you responsible. What happened to Warmor? How often does he update HIS site? What about the jerk that hosted CCF? His tournament had about 8% participation, do you call that responsible? Zing79 and Quass have been/were responsible FAR before they had responsibilities, and they still continue to be responsible.

What I really think you're getting at there is having responsiblility makes YOU care about how OTHER people think about you. Just think, if people you're moderating don't respect you, how hard is it going to be to do the moderation? Almost impossible. This is proven by how Quass actually tried to enforce the laws at Senshuk, and how everyone started jumping on him once he did. Why? Because they weren't used to actually HAVING to follow the rules. Whereas when someone like KidKrazypoop or me tried to tell them to stop, they just ignored it. Too add to that, it's just no fun moderating a bunch of people that don't like you. How you "make" them like you, is by "meeting their expectations," whether it's being helpful or not enforcing the laws. Zing79 and Quass have been responsible all along, that's why they didn't just "let ####" happen @ Senshuk, that's why they were/are good mods, and that's why they're respected.

I hope that has cleared up most/all of your discrepencies (even though I know it has fallen upon deaf ears).

[SSJKarma]

i'll be short, cause i didn't want to read those too long post you all made !

1 - the rank does sux, now stop complaining about it cause TMYAPP ALREADY KNOW THIS !

2 - the ranking system cannot be deleted ! reason, it's what people loves in here... i don't like rank but i like the way it is for what i do with it ! it's just funny to be the 1000th and after beating 1 opponent being the 300th still i don't give a crap about it cause i know that there is NO SKILL in here ! the only skill existing is the LAG SKILLS...

3 - read my thread about 2 ideas in NEW FEATURES

[Troy88]

2000warrior: I wish there were more people like you in the forum. But you are wrong when you say "it has fallen on deaf ears." When I see a long post like that, it actually makes this forum worth coming to, even when someone disagrees with me. On the contrary, I read every long post I see, especially when the person that posted it put some thought into it, and the subject matter is interesting.

What gets on my nerves is, when you, me, or someone else spent all that time making an intelligent post, then someone like wrestlemania comes along and kills the thread with spam, one-liners, and smileys. Or, even worse, they'll quote the entire thing and add a smiley, or say something like, "man, that was long." What's up with that? Do you people feel the need to quote everyone else because you are incapable of adding anything relevant yourself?

You're right, the powers-that-be should be able to run the forum however they see fit. All I'm saying is that none of the MODs here really do anything. If they aren't going to do anything, then what's the point of having them? Everyone is just going to do whatever they want anyways.

As far as a good idea for the ranks, I would ask that you please check out the idea in my sig. It would only change the system slightly, but I'll let you read it and (hopefully) give me some feedback.

[quoteost_uid0="Troy88"]2000warrior: I wish there were more people like you in the forum. But you are wrong when you say "it has fallen on deaf ears." When I see a long post like that, it actually makes this forum worth coming to, even when someone disagrees with me. On the contrary, I read every long post I see, especially when the person that posted it put some thought into it, and the subject matter is interesting.[/quote]
Lol... it's people like you who make this forum worth comming to, Troy. Without you, SSJKarma, and TarkanX to keep me company... this place can really get to you will all the ignorant, and stupid remarks that take place... I even make it a point to check out any/all topics that you guys started or posted last in.. :biggrin:

But my god, I didn't realize how LONG that post was until I posted it then scrolled down... (I really seem to be getting away with rule #2 on that one).

On Mods: I doubt anything will ever work... but as it is ####'s are just that.. annoying new people that just don't "get it." As long as they stay that way and don't turn into the hate-firing rebels against authority that they did in the Senshuk forum... then it's not really much of a hassle to just "aviod" most of their topics/posts.

On Rank: Yeah, I've already read that topic B4, and I'll go make a *bump* to revive it... And I havn't even tested viper's idea yet so I'll have to get working on that sometime... SSJKarma's restatement of my highscores idea is the best though (whenever/if ever we get a story mode, it'll take ####-killers and high-laggers off da chart). But even then, it'll have its draw backs...

man viper .shut up......u care too much about ranks..
Its not ur game.u didn't created it...so just leave it man.
they would neevr listen to you.....
u alreadly made 4 topics damnit..
i am just sick and tired of u...

Any No 0bs who want to rant or rave are not welcome here.
Wrestlemania especially is not allowed here--he ruines all my topics.

for ur information ..I joined way before u .......

peacee.....

[Troy88]

OMG, I don't believe it. Did wrestlemania almost just type a complete paragraph?

[Troy88]

[quoteost_uid0="Kingryu1"]noob. ur one of those ppl who only cares about rank so shut up. and there's to many long posts!?!? :laugh:[/quote]
I have a tendency to avoid spam such as yours like the plague, so excuse me for missing this the first time.

On the contrary, there's too many short, meaningless, idiotic posts, coming from idiots like you, that seem to think that forums are chat rooms, and not forums. If you don't have more than 12 words to say, then you don't have any business replying. In summary, forums=discussion; chat rooms=what you and wrestlemania mistakenly try to do here.

[nosoul4evr]

Ok im gonna comment on a few things that i read though (yes i read every post)

1: Quote: "Rank sucks!"
Nosoul4evr: Then dont look at it. Pretend it dont exist. And start playing the game for fun instead.(the way it was meant to be played) If you know of a better ranking system...suggest it to TMyApp in the topic he created...who knows...maybe your idea will be picked for our new/better ranking system. According to the FAQ "eventualy" you will be able to see how a player wins their matchs. I/E: 45 Victories, 35 Cherries, 72 Supers, 34 Cheeses, 125 losses. I hope he impliments this function soon....it would be a very good way to evaluate your opponents.

2: Quote: "Not like TmyApp listens to our ideas anyway."
Nosoul4evr: YES he does! I have seen lots of things that myself and others have suggested be implimented into the game. Example: The BOTS,and forum filters,character tweaks etc etc etc. These things were impliments because WE asked for them. This whole game has been customized (with reason) to OUR likeing!

3: Quote: "The vets keep leaving!"
Nosoul4evr: Most of the veterans ARE still here.(any one from 2001) You may not see us posting in every thread,or in the chat kicking ass. But we are here. Mainly in the forum,reading what ya'll have writen (or at least what topics capture our interest). Yes most of us considered "retired" and dont play the game to often....but thats because we know we can make top 10 if we want to...it isnt that hard...seems like top 50 is full of unlearned beginers anyways...there are exceptions though...You know who you are And yes some of us quit all together....Nothing last forever.

4: Quote: "The Modorators dont do anything around here/we need more mods."
Nosoul4evr: We currently have 6 modorators (thats alot more than the 2 we had when I joined) Being a modorator is a "job"...And it feels just like one...it fun to come to the forum and read posts of interests...it sucks to have to read EVERY post,and then maintain them all. The same thing goes for modorating the chats...Who WANTS to just sit in a chat room and modorate...BORING! And like Zing said,its a pain in the ass to write special code for multipal users....plus the server security reasons as well. The modorators here do a fine job...everyone is welcome here and may post whatever they wish within reason....If ya dont like the spam...ignore it...skip right over it.And dont take what others say to heart.

[quoteost_uid0="nosoul4evr"]3: Quote: "The vets keep leaving!"
Nosoul4evr: Most of the veterans ARE still here.(any one from 2001) You may not see us posting in every thread,or in the chat kicking ass. But we are here. Mainly in the forum,reading what ya'll have writen (or at least what topics capture our interest).[/quote]
Now if we could only figure out how to get you guys to post more :biggrin:

We're suffering from a black hole of stupidity that's sucking in youthful, unexposed ###### minds and squishing them into the size of electrons.

[Lordalmar2]

[quoteost_uid0="viper2040"]well, heres my system

Player1 was the winner, and had a higher rank. Player 2 is the loser. And we're assuming that they are both using registered, non-"player" names (ie: player64)

(2*P2's points)
----------------------------------- minus .75*(rank difference)
(wins)

~~~~~~Player1:~~~~~~~~Player2:
score=~~16946~~~~~~~~~16146
rank=~~~9~~~~~~~~~~~~35
wins:~~~111~~~~~~~~~~526
losses:~~32~~~~~~~~~~~122
Player 1 wins
score:

32292
------- = 64
526

64-(.75*26)=44.5
Player1 gets 45 points (rounded up)

Additionally, there would be a minimum score system as follows:

Rank Difference~~~minimum scoreto prevent negative scores)
1-50~~~~~~~~27
51-200~~~~~~~23
201-500~~~~~~19
501-2000~~~~~14
2001-5000~~~~11
5001-10000~~~~8
10000+~~~~~~~5



so, if this happens,
player 1 player 2
rank = 1 rank = 13000
points= 6000 points = 345

the winner will be player 2
790
---------------- - (.75*12999) = -9726
45 (including the lose he already got)

the score becomes the min for a rank difference of 12999--4 points



Beat that[/quote]
I have a system that might work better then the current one, and there would be no need for points.

My idea is this, have rank based off of your record, or to be more specific your win percent. Lets take my record for example:

W: 442 L: 100

If that was put into a percent, it would be 81.5%. Now, after you have figured out everyone win percent (this could all be kept track of automaticly like the current system does now.) you would just put them in order from highest to lowest with #1 at the top, ect.

Of course, even this system would be effected by lag. Anyway, with this system, it would be a little easier to see who the better fighters are without having to worry about all the points.