U.s. policy of "striking first"

[DA_VIPA]

sadam and his organisation have 2 go down and fast a war is unavoidable but it must take place where there are no civilians or it ruins the 'just war' theory

no innocent civilians should be killed

if usa takes over iraq which they probably would if they actually go 2 war then the ppl in iraq will hate the americans more than they ever had be4 and the war wil never end. But will america just go 2 war with iraq a few years from now it will be a new 'threat' from another country with a few weapons more than the usa this situation is totally fu,cked up 2 be honest with u all i dont want another war but we cant let another hitler take over...err this is very unsettling :angry:

[Nantuko Joe]

[quoteost_uid0="iTALY"][quoteost_uid0="blossom"][quoteost_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]I'm all for it. 9/11 showed us that if we don't strike first, we'll be the ones being hit. And we only meddle in the affairs of other countries when their actions would threaten the US or our allies.[/quote]
i agree with Joe maybe we should strike first.
if not we run the risk of being attacked and loosing some of our friends and family members to an attack that could have been prevented.[/quote]
and what about the people living in the other country's?? they are thinking the exact same thing as you guys, we should attack first before they attack.....[/quote]
Because they attacked us first, and without ANY provocation. Therefore we went in and kicked their ass. But 9/11 showed us that if we don't attack first, we'll be hit again. We NEVER go in and blow up a country for no apparent reason. Therefore, unless they majorly piss us off, they don't have to worry. Iraq has majorly pissed us off. therefore, they've got to worry.

And unless they pull off another suicide bombing in America, they can't hit us.

[Nantuko Joe]

[quoteost_uid0="SSJKarma"]nantuko: you live in USA right ?
then why aren't you knowing your history ?

* VIETNAM *
it was a war against RUSSIA !
you had the SOUTH or north i can't really remember...
the russian had the opposite place !
all that ####### war started cause YOU (US) STATED...
US:"if you don't intevene then we won't either"
RUSSIA:"that's fine with us"
but russia broked the treaty by giving weapons to their part of the country, which you (US) decided to do the same with yours ! which ened by the GREAT war called VIETNAM !

FREE... i doubt it, you sacrificed how many lives just to make RUSSIA cry ?

now...
no, hidden agenda's
still you forgot abour the COLD-WAR which was between you and the RUSSIAN again !
who got more BOMBS then the other ?
the US, which i doubt you have all deleted because of that #### called HUMANITY !

it has been proven a lot in history by all your acts !
you even BETRAYED us CANADIAN !
what was it called again ?
during WWII, NORMANDY (that's in french)
you sent 45,000 canadian to face certain death because you knew it was a suicide mission and still you didn't want to lose your remaining troops so you sent our force to get massacred for you !

so if that is not SELFFISH then i am god himself !
now, stop bragging about how your country is GOOD in everything, cause i actually think your the worst country of them all !

and that's also true that AMERICANS always try to have the world at their services because your in AFFAIRS with ALL country that have a little interesting things like OIL and other natural ressources !

come on, i beg of you, give me some other SUPPOSED to be GOOD for other counrty that you actually SUPPOSED to have done for them not for you ![/quote]
[color=green]Sorry for the double-post, but it was necessary.

Actually, you moron, the RUSSIANS started it when they supplied weapons to North Vietnam to help them overthrow the democratic South Vietnam. The US went in to retaliate, to protect a democratic country. The US never started the war, you twit.

and when we fought in Vietnam, we had NO HIDDEN agendas. The ENTIRE WORLD was aware of the Cold War. The ENTIRE WORLD was aware that we were in an arms race. It's not a "hidden agenda" if the rest of the world knows about it.

AND ARE YOU A FRIGGING MORON? THE UNITED STATES ARMY WAS IN NORMANDY TOO, YOU FRIGGING ASSCLOWN!

And of course, you're right. The US is the WORST country of them all. Because, you know, EVERYONE knows that we kill our own people testing weapons. Because EVERYONE KNOWS that we have governmental racism and discrimination. Because EVERYONE KNOWS that we are not free. You seriously ARE a moron, and should get yer ######## straight before you EVER participate in another political debate again.

[SSJKarma]

nantuko: you threaten me ?

go suck the dick of your ####### GOVERNMENT and start learning your history a little !
VIETNAM: yeah you didn't started it yeah, but you sure ended it without evenletting the ####### vietnam do his own things !

you and russia weren't even suppose to be in there but your ####### governement decided not to let the russian go ! but guess what the russian said too, that YOU WERE the ones that started it up ! for me there is no differences, BOTH of you shouldn't have done anything to "SUPOSEDLY" help them ! you caused a lot of innocent so does have the russian but do you really think your government care ?

sorry to bring you back into reality... but your government is far from perfection !
don't have any HIDDEN AGENDA'S !?!
don't make me laugh, are you working for the governement or something ?
that's what i thought...
how can you know there are none if you don't work and the president or even the SECRETARY OF DEFENSE doesn't even tell you anything !

be realistick nantuko all country have their hidden agenda and UNITED STATES doesn't do any exception !
if you knew they had hidden AGENDA'S would they still be hidden, think before saying stupidities like that !

and yeah, i had 95% in history when i learned it and yeah in normandy you 45,000 CANADIAN on the front to protect the US ARMY who was suppose to debark there too... you know how this ended (TOTAL SUICIDE) yeah, some US got killed, but you sended 3/4 of that same army that debarked there on a suicide mission. and how did your governement replyed to that situation...

US:"we're so sorry for what hapenned if we knew we wouldn't have made that attack"
but they simply said that and never did anything back for us !
even today's were suppose to be your allies and how do you treat us ?
like we were nothing !

sorry, but i dislike that kind of acting and you know your country is doing it !
i understand that you take for your country, i admit that my country is far from perfection ! but you just talk your country was the best country of them, all and you never made mistakles or you never will do in the future sorry but that ####### war is probably the worst stupidity your country can do !

[Scorponok]

[quoteost_uid0="DA_VIPA"]sadam and his organisation have 2 go down and fast a war is unavoidable but it must take place where there are no civilians or it ruins the 'just war' theory

no innocent civilians should be killed

[/quote]
Must take place in a place where there are no civilians? How pathetic. It might've at least sounded better if you would've put, "It would be better for not many civilians to die," but that still sounds stupid. You don't "arrange" war. "Just war" theory?

[Nantuko Joe]

Karma, how the fcuk was I threatening you, you paranoid son of a biotch? And learn to read my posts correctly: yer misinterpreting EVERYTHING I'm saying.

1.) Yeah, we were just gonna sit back on our asses and WATCH Russian communists overrun a free democratic nation? Are you mad? If you were the president at that time instead of JFK, you're saying you'd just let Communists overrun a Democratic nation? And we DID let Vietnam do its own thing after the war was over...the DEMOCRATIC Vietnam, not the COMMUNIST Vietnam.

2.) I never said America was PERFECT. I actually said that America was NOT perfect. Get yer ######## straight, you dumbass

3.) I never said America DOESN'T have hidden agendas. What I said was that America DIDN'T have hidden agendas DURING THE VIETNAM ERA! It helps if you actually READ my posts before submitting half-ass replies that make no sense, genious.

4.) Yes, we apologized. But what did you expect us to do for you? Raise them from the dead? The japanese bombed us, and we bombed them, and we're friends now. There's no more hostility between us anymore.

5.) Yeah...a war to oust a psycho dictator leader with nukes and biological and chemical weapons is "the worst stupidity my country could do." I strongly suggest you pull yourself out of the debate until one of the following happens:
1 - You pick up a book on US history...and read it
2 - You read posts before you reply to them, so I don't have to correct dumbass mistakes

By the way, do you happen to listen to Rage Against the Machine? Anti Flag? Just wondering...maybe THAT'S the reason for your hatred of the US and your total disregard for the facts...

[SSJKarma]

diregard of the facts ?

see how stupid you were talking in the other thread about those nukes !

no i'm not listening to any musics !
MUSICS is MUSICS nothing more, it doesn't say a single thing about life !

facts, you want facts...
VIETNAM : YOU vs RUSSIA both have been saying the other started it, so who helped who ? no, the US only wanted that DEMOCRATIC stays in place just to KEEP their ####### ADVANTAGE over the russian empire !

now, your denying this fact ?
that's exactly what i was saying !
US always put their nose in all WORLD's affair !
if they could have kept their nose for themselves then those ####### wars like VIETNAM wouldn't have been that big ! no, your governement wants to control TERROSIMS in the WHOLE WORLD which makes the crisis way bigger then their suppose to be !

after that you wonder why everyone wants to bomb you !
let me give you the answer to that simple question...
because you don't keep your ####### laws for yourself... you always try to apply them in countrys that doesn't even belong to you !

its like that UN that supposedly control TERRORIST attacks all over the world !
if you didn't have been knowing it already, its you that putted that damn thing up ! not any other counrtys !

all i'm saying is that if US would have always been keeping their own country not everyone at the same time, a lot of wars could have been a lot less bigger !

[bloodpack]

SSJkarma said..."the US always keep their noses to other nations affair"

true....

US was too busy looking in the outside world, meddling other ppls affair THAT they forgot to watch their own turf

the result?...

one fatal mistake of being TOO CONFIDENT (like saying being the best among others) resulted the death of many ppl including my own countrymen working in WTC ....

GOLDEN RULE: dont be too over confident, foolishness can kill :buttrock:

[Nantuko Joe]

diregard of the facts ?
see how stupid you were talking in the other thread about those nukes!

no i'm not listening to any musics !
MUSICS is MUSICS nothing more, it doesn't say a single thing about life !

facts, you want facts...

VIETNAM : YOU vs RUSSIA both have been saying the other started it, so who helped who ? no, the US only wanted that DEMOCRATIC stays in place just to KEEP their ####### ADVANTAGE over the russian empire !
now, your denying this fact ?
that's exactly what i was saying !
US always put their nose in all WORLD's affair !
if they could have kept their nose for themselves then those ####### wars like VIETNAM wouldn't have been that big ! no, your governement wants to control TERROSIMS in the WHOLE WORLD which makes the crisis way bigger then their suppose to be !
after that you wonder why everyone wants to bomb you !
let me give you the answer to that simple question...
because you don't keep your ####### laws for yourself... you always try to apply them in countrys that doesn't even belong to you !
its like that UN that supposedly control TERRORIST attacks all over the world !

if you didn't have been knowing it already, its you that putted that damn thing up ! not any other counrtys !

all i'm saying is that if US would have always been keeping their own country not everyone at the same time, a lot of wars could have been a lot less bigger !

First off, it's a FACT that the Russians started up the Vietnam War. They gave the North weapons so the communists could overrun the South. We went in to save South Vietnam. This was not just as small as Russia vs USA, this was USA versus Communism. Ever heard of the domino theory? Therefore, we did NOT want the Democracy of the South Vietnam to stay in power just so we could keep our advantage over the Russians. We wanted the SOuth Vietnam to not be slaughtered so we can stop COMMUNISM. not just the Russians, but COMMUNISM.

And once again, you have to look at the long-term effects? Or do you have that little insight?

If South Vietnam fell to communism, all surrounding nations would fall soon thereafter. This ENTIRE THING was not "not our business," because it dealt with the growing threat of COmmunism. If we hadn't stopped Communism then and there, it would have conquored South Vietnam and all surrounding areas. Again, see DOMINO THEORY.

And once again: Terroroists from the mideast want to bomb us because they hate our freedom. Not because we butt into other people's business. When "other peoples business" consists of overthrowing free democratic nations, and invading other countries for resources, than it's NOT "other peoples business," it's the WORLD'S business.

SSJkarma said..."the US always keep their noses to other nations affair"
true....
US was too busy looking in the outside world, meddling other ppls affair THAT they forgot to watch their own turf
the result?...
one fatal mistake of being TOO CONFIDENT (like saying being the best among others) resulted the death of many ppl including my own countrymen working in WTC ....

What the hell are you talking about? When 9/11 occurred, we were NOT meddling in anyone's affairs. We were NOT being "too confident" (what the hell is that supposed to mean anyway.) We just did not expect a group of fcuking afghanis to hijack our planes and use them to blow up buildings.

dont be too over confident, foolishness can kill

I don't know where this "over confidence" thing is coming from, but this makes better sense than your quote:

Golden Rule: We HAVE to get rid of Saddam, because a psycho fascist leader with nuclear, biological and chemical weapons can kill.

[bloodpack]

oh boy, i love this debate
better than any stupid kiddy stuffs :biggrin:
makes utter sense (besides its relevant) :thumbsup: