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Old 01-20-2003, 06:44 PM   #21
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you are a true american.

the US aint the bad guys, but what i saying is that they should let the UN handle their business unless they ask for help. the US may be trying to keep world peace but like a bunch of countries around the world hates the US. with that incident in china involving the spy plane and fighter jet, china probaly hates the US too.
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Yes the bible prophoseis r coming true as we speak for instance examples:
1.first clone baby was born
2.euro money had already started
3.666 type of coding has been ilustrated on dogs @the stated (or some parts)
4.were gonna have a big ass war soon (world war3 posibily)
5.And te fact that some states r actually trying to take the( in god we trust) sign off the dollars and cions.
e.t.c
ps:i sugest u shouid read the bible more often maybe the last chapter of the bible which will tell u wut is going to happn real soon!!
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Ok children you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. I have researched this topic for over a year now, and have written several papers on it. The fact of the matter is all you peaceniks are hypocrites because Saddam is the antithesis of peace. He has slaughtered over 1.5 million of his own people(women and children included), some of which he tested his chem and bio weapons. He sponsors terrorism much like the Taliban did and openly praised the Sept 11 attacks. He is a terrorist, we suspect ties to 9/11 and the recent Ricin arrests in England. He tried to assassinate President Bush Sr. in 1993, this is a fact and Clinton bombed his ass for it, we should have gone back to war with him then.

Now back to the matter at hand. Weapon inspections are a friggin joke and Saddam knows it. How can you expect a few people driving around in SUVs in a country the size of California to find chemicals that can fit in a shoebox. The concept is ridiculous. We KNOW he has weapons. We KNEW in 1998. We SAW them in 1998 and we're about to dismantle them when he kicked us out violating a UN treaty. Clinton did nothing except launch 70 or so tomahawks. Saddam laughed again. Now what happened to these weapons we SAW in 1998? Well if he destroyed them he could show us remnants. If he sold them he could show us transaction papers. They sure as hell didn't magically disappear. So the conclusion is he has them. Now you may ask WHY attack Saddam? Well we would be helping the Iraqi people first off. Also to protect the region and Western civilation. He sponsors terrorism against the US, Engliand, Israel and more. He was and probably still is paying Palestinian families 25,000$ to sucide bomb Israel. Once he gets nukes he will hold the region hostage and claim all the oil for himself. He will threaten to nuke Israel or Kuwait if his demands aren't met. He will sell weapons to bin Laden. He will slaughter the Kurds up north and the Shi'ites down south, performing an ethnic cleansing of his country as it were, probably with nukes. He willa lmost definately invade Kuwait for its oil and possibly Iran. He is a mad man and must be removed to ensure the saftey of the free world and stabilit in the region.

If we don't act now thousands, maybe millions, more lives will be lost in the future.
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Also I'm not saying peace is a bad thing but realistically speaking peace is a fairy tale. As long as two people disagree there will be discord and strife. And sometimes you have to make war to make better peace in the long run.

Also this whole matter does effect me DIRECTLY. I am enlisted in the Army so I of all people do want a peaceful solution but it doesn't look like that is going to happen. I am looking at the matter realistically, and I would be willing to fight in Iraq to remove Saddam if it comes down to that. I remember Sept 11 all too well.
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Well said, Finn...well said...
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[quoteost_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]Um...no it wasnt. People also thought that the bible predicted 9/11. People also thought the bible predicted the assassination of JFK. It's a bunch of faulty statements which are misinterpreted and altered to fit the context of the moment. They did the same thing with 9/11 and the bible, they did it with 9/11 and Nostradamas, and they're doing the same thing here. The bible is nothing but a 2000-year-old fairytale.[/quote]
Well, it isn't specifically WRONG, either. Think Nostradamus. He made enough predictions that he had to get a few right. The bible also VAGUELY describes events before the Apocalypse (book of Revalations if I'm not mistakened).

Oh, and the world won't end. If Saddam uses chemical weapons or nukes on any of our troops, the entire world'll look away if we drop a couple of hydrogen bombs on Baghdad. Also, Iraq's weapons aren't exactly ICBMs. They don't have intercontinental range. Hell, he has trouble hitting our ships out in the ocean, and they aren't that far away.

The world isn't going to end. Perhaps just a small part of it will be annihilated, but it won't end.
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BE REALISTIC... WORLD WAR III !?!

no way... why ?
because us CANADADIAN are refusing right now !
the US have been asked us and try to make us ENTER in the war just because we are allied with them !
first minister CHRETIEN said... :"i refuse to let my country enter into war just because were allied, its unconcievable !"
so knowing that... canada won't go in war !

second: the big bad FRENCH country's did the very same and refuse to get involve in this stupid war.
you see, a WORLD WAR II is possible only if about all countries are involved which is definetely not the case right now.

to be honest... only the AMERICAN BASTARD wants the war just to show they got better weapons.
sorry for the word bastard but you know i'm talking about the president ok...
come on, saddam had been doing that kind of #### for almost 10 years... so come on, what makes you think he can really do what he's suppose to do ?

when the war will be upon me, i'll be glad to say you were right... but until the SUPPOSED WAR begin, there is nothing to fear from anyone ! you something that's called BLUFFING, yes he got the WEAPONS, but every other countries has them too and saddam know that if he strike then everyone, and i say it, everyone will be against him ! don't you think it would be stupid of him to go into war knowing that... NO ! he'll try something like 9/11 who couldn't be prevented because it was a COWARDLY attempt which is the only way to attack the US without being discovered !

surely this war is going to happen... but it is definitely not a WW3 because only the USA wants that stupid war to happen !
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Why didn't you guys listen to me... why? Is it because you have such an ego that you have to prove to each other that you are right? Is it because you try to find out what is really true? What is it? Tell me. All you people have done in this thread so far (besides a few) is argue about something that hasn't happened yet. You can't predict what will happen in such a diverse realm... at least not accurately. If and when the war happens, then it happens, and we'll all go our seperate ways. If it doesn't happen, we'll all go our seperate ways anyway. But until that war ever happens, please don't go off and blow your heads over this! It isn't right, it isn't healthy, and is definitely not needed!

<span style='font-size:4pt;line-height:100%'>besides... I want to keep whatever peace I can in this world...</span>



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Well, it isn't specifically WRONG, either. Think Nostradamus. He made enough predictions that he had to get a few right. The bible also VAGUELY describes events before the Apocalypse (book of Revalations if I'm not mistakened).
Oh, and the world won't end. If Saddam uses chemical weapons or nukes on any of our troops, the entire world'll look away if we drop a couple of hydrogen bombs on Baghdad. Also, Iraq's weapons aren't exactly ICBMs. They don't have intercontinental range. Hell, he has trouble hitting our ships out in the ocean, and they aren't that far away.
The world isn't going to end. Perhaps just a small part of it will be annihilated, but it won't end.
Ooh...VAGUELY...

Let's all get scared ppl...a 2,000 year-old book is predicting our doom...woe is me...pfft

And the world would most definately end. We would use nukes. Iraq (and its allies) would use nukes. Any of our allies that decides to help us would use nukes. Take nuclear winter, add a few plagues (from the chemcial and biological weapons), and the world is pretty much done for.


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BE REALISTIC... WORLD WAR III !?!
no way... why ?
because us CANADADIAN are refusing right now !
the US have been asked us and try to make us ENTER in the war just because we are allied with them !
first minister CHRETIEN said... :"i refuse to let my country enter into war just because were allied, its unconcievable !"
so knowing that... canada won't go in war !
second: the big bad FRENCH country's did the very same and refuse to get involve in this stupid war.
you see, a WORLD WAR II is possible only if about all countries are involved which is definetely not the case right now.
to be honest... only the AMERICAN BASTARD wants the war just to show they got better weapons.
sorry for the word bastard but you know i'm talking about the president ok...
come on, saddam had been doing that kind of #### for almost 10 years... so come on, what makes you think he can really do what he's suppose to do ?
when the war will be upon me, i'll be glad to say you were right... but until the SUPPOSED WAR begin, there is nothing to fear from anyone ! you something that's called BLUFFING, yes he got the WEAPONS, but every other countries has them too and saddam know that if he strike then everyone, and i say it, everyone will be against him ! don't you think it would be stupid of him to go into war knowing that... NO ! he'll try something like 9/11 who couldn't be prevented because it was a COWARDLY attempt which is the only way to attack the US without being discovered !
surely this war is going to happen... but it is definitely not a WW3 because only the USA wants that stupid war to happen !
First off, the US doesn't <span style='font-size:10pt;line-height:100%'>WANT</span> the war to happen...if anything we want to avoid it...but if Saddam keeps breaking his treaty and we continue to find warheads and other tools of war in Iraq, it's inevitable.

Secondly, you saying that it's not a WW3 just because Canada and France won't get involved is BS. You say "for it to be a WW3, every country needs to be involved?" <span style='font-size:10pt;line-height:100%'>EVERY</span> single country wasn't involved in WWI. <span style='font-size:10pt;line-height:100%'>EVERY</span> single country wasn't involved in WWII. Yet because karma said so, and because Canada and France won't fight, it won't make it a World War. Pfft...

RIGHT NOW not all countries are involved...but if ANYTHING happens, in an instant, it will become a full-out war.
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[quoteost_uid0="akuma_forever"]lol i dont mean to be a preacher hear but this wuz all prophosized in the bible.... [/quote]
ummm..then why mention it?...I'll not "let loose" into ya about this one...( no has the time to read the amount of insane ramblings I could spew about alla that....thats also same reason I didnt post in the "creation of the universe" topic )

Back on topic...The War....ppft political B.S. crappola!

Yasback your over melodramatic ramblings either speak volumes of your own fears of death...or you are one of those kinda people that either intentionaly or un-intentionaly create "the maddness" of the mass's,by becoming to involved,or easily blinded what you see,hear, and are informed by the public,and are probably just another "blind sheep".
By the way you made your post....you sound like a "doom sayer"...Take that crap else where.

War is war...it happens every day and every where....I have seen like 4 or 5 of them my self...ja know what happens?

The bad guys pay for their infractions of justice.
And a "handfull" of guilty,heroic,and inoccents die.

NOT the millions upons millions of deaths as you seem to fortell and see in YOUR own narrow and limited view of the world and how "the machine" works.

Ja know what...the United Nations have enough "fire power" to turn ALL their enemies home lands into glass parking lots...there would be no war.
The U.N. could just pass it off as a "large scale" nuclear testing....that just so happen to eliminate a few "#### heads" as well.
They would worry about the repercussion afterwards and deal with them as neccessary.

Watch and see...this "war" is just another 'flash in the pan of history'....NOT Armagedeon.

The fortellings of the Bible ARE NOT happening.

30 years ago a sequence of event happened...all the religous people cried "It's the end of the world!"
10 years ago another sequence of events happened,every one cried "It's the end of the world!"
5 years ago an Asteriod was mistakenly predicted to come within the "danger zone" of Earth, everyone cried "It's the end of the world!"

Look around people...were still here.
We've been here for a couple 100 thousand years...and we arent going any where all to soon.

So just sit back,shut up,and watch the show.

Besides.....If your religous...and DO die by the hand of another mans actions. Then fear not little one...your going to the right place.

And if in MY narrow view of things on a cosmic scale that encompassing everything is wrong...well..."See ya on the flip side!"



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