Db"z" vs sf...pl debate... - Come in and debate...if you dare!

[Nantuko Joe]

[quoteost_uid0="Gotenks13"]I remember Nantuko Joe saying that a fully charged Shinkuu Hadouken can only destroy a car. Goku could do that the first time he tried the Kamehameha. Maybe that could help youwith SF PLs...but if you still can't do it, then forget SF...[/quote]
Actually, I'm pretty Tarkan said that

And Tarkan, sorry about leaving in the middle of the debate last nite, my parents pulled up, and my mom would have thrown a fit to see me on her comp at like 11:30 at night. Here is when I'm on AIM most:

Monday: until 9:00 AM
Tuesday: until 12:00 noon
Wednesday: until 9:00 AM, then from like 11:30 AM-1:45 PM
Thursday: until 12:00 noon
Friday: from like 1-2:45 PM

if I can get on any other time, I'll try to, but those are ususally the times I can get on.

Also, I was up until like 4:30 in the morning this morning with my Mac and a calculator figuring out the power levels from AFTER our debate ended (but you're prolly gonna find something wrong with them. Anyway, here the yare:

Radditsu Saga
Radditsu: 1,200 (s)
Farmer: 5 (s)
Piccolo (w/weights): 322 (s)
Piccolo (w/o weights): 408 (s)
Piccolo's 1st Makankosappo: 1,330
Piccolo's 2nd Makankosappo: 1,200-1,300
Goku (w/weights): 334 (s)
Goku (w/o weights): 416 (s)
Goku's Kamehameha: 924 (s)-1,000
Gohan: 1 (s)
Gohan crying: 1,307 (s)

After Battle
Muten Roshi: 139 (s)
Kuririn: 206 (s)
Tenshinhan: 250 (s)
Yamucha: 177 (s)
Piccolo w/weights: 329 (s)
Chaotzu: 130-150

Saiya-jin Saga
Yamucha: 1,300
Chaozu: 1,010-1,100
Tenshinhan: 1,500
-One-armed Kikoho: 2,100
Kuririn: 1,700
Piccolo: 2,500-3,000
Gohan: 1,100
-Masenko: 2,800 (s)
-Healed: 1,800
-Ozourou: 18,000
Saibamen: 1,200 ea
Goku: 5,000
-Powered up: 8,100
-Kaio-ken: 16,200
-Kaio-ken x2: 16,200 (increase in speed)
-Kaio-ken x3: 24,000 (power lowered due to stress)
-Kaio-ken x4: 28,000 (power lowered due to stress)
Nappa: 7,500
Vegeta: 16,000
-Powered up: 18,000
-Gallic Haou: 24,000
-Ozourou: 100,000-150,000
-vs Ozourou Gohan: 10,000-15,000 (power lowered due to stress)

Furiza Saga
Gohan: 1,500-2,000
-After power up: 18,000-20,000
-after healed: 23,000
Kuririn: 1,500-2,000
-power up: 17,000-19,000
-healed: 21,000
Furiza's Men: around 1,200
Kui: 18,500
Dudoria: 21,000
Zaabon: 22,500
-Monster: 28,000-30,000
Vegeta: 24,000
-After Heal: 30,000-32,000
-max vs Rikum: 35,000-37,000
-Healed vs Jisu: 80,000

vs Ginyus
Rikum: 40,000
Baata: 45,000
Jisu: 50,000
Gerudo: 5,000-10,000
Ginyu: 120,000
-in Goku's Body: 23,000
Goku: 5,000 (supressed)
-vs Jisu and Baata: 60,000
-Max: 90,000
-Kaio-ken: 180,000

vs Furiza
Vegeta: 371,000
Furiza: 371,000
Furiza (if at max): 530,000
-Form 2: 1,060,000
Gohan: 1,219,000
Piccolo: 45,000
-w/Nail and weights: 870,000
-w/Nail and w/o weights: 1,060,000
Furiza Form 3: 2,120,000
Gohan: 2,438,000
Furiza Form 4, 25%: 4,240,000

*this is where the disagreement is prolly gonna start

Goku vs Furiza
Goku's base: 400,000
Furiza 25%: 4,240,000
Goku kkx10: 4,000,000
Furiza 50%: 8,480,000
Goku kkx20: 8,000,000
Furiza 75%: 12,272,000
SSJ Goku: 14,000,000
Furiza 100%: 16,961,000
SSJ Goku Max: 19,000,000

Trunks Saga
Kold: 17,000,000
Furiza Bot: 20,000,000
Trunks: 5 (supressed)
-SSJ: 23,500,000
SSJ Goku: 27,000,000

Android Saga
SSJ Goku: 33,000,000
-sick: <10,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 30,000,000
SSJ Vegeta: 35,000,000
Piccolo: 8,000,000
Gohan's Max: 3,300,000
Kuririn: 230,000,000
Tenshinhan: 270,000,000
Yamucha: 58,500
Chaozu: 9,900
Android 20: 2,000,000
-19: 10,000,000
-18: 48,000,000
17: 50,000,000
16: 55,000,000
Piccolo w/Kami: 50,000,000
Cell: 50,000,000
-absorb humans: 55,000,000
-Semi Perfect: 88,000,000
-Perfect: 120,000,000
Tenshinhans' Kikoho: 80,000,000
SSJ Vegeta (after ROSAT): 105,000,000
SSJ Trunks (after ROSAT): 90,000,000
-USSJ: 110,000,000
-USSJ Max: 120,000,000

Cell Game
SSJ GOku: 115,000,000
SSJ Vegeta: 110,000,000
USSJ Trunks: 120,000,000
SSJ Gohan: 115,500,000
A. 16: 55,000,000
Perfect Cell: 120,000,000
Cell Jr.s: 120,000,000 each
SSJ2 Gohan: 308,000,000
Super Perfect Cell: 200,000,000
-Semi Perfect: 88,000,000
-after Regen: 338,800,000
SSJ2 Gohan's Kamehameha: 340,000,000

Buu Saga part 1
Piccolo: 100,000,000
SSJ Gohan: 11,545,000
-SSJ2: 290,017,000
Goten: 1,000,000
-SSJ: 35,000,000
Trunks: 1,142,000
-SSJ: 40,000,000
SSJ2 Goku: 319,956,000
SSJ2 Vegeta: 309,946,000
A. 18: 60,000,000
Kaioshin: 70,000,000
Kibito: 65,000,000
Yamu: 10,000,000
Supopovich: 10,000,000
Babidi: 5,000-10,000
Dabura: 300,000,000
Ma-Jinn Buu: 850,000,000
SSJ2 Ma-jin Vegeta: 320,000,000

Buu Saga Part 2
SSJ3 Goku: 831,885,600
Ma-Jin Buu (Evil Buu absorb Fat Buu): 900,000,000
Gotenks: 214,200,000
-SSJ: 750,000,000
-Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack: 910,000,000
-SSJ3: 900,000,000
Gohan w/Z Sword: 637,400,000
-Mystic: 1,247,900,000
Super Buu (SSJ3 Gotenks & Piccolo): 1,566,600,000
Super Buu (Trunks, Goten, & Piccolo): 967,427,000
Kaiobito: 1,350,000,000
Super Buu (Piccolo, Trunks, Goten, & Gohan): 1,817,427,000
Vegetto: 2,076,600,000
-SSJ2: 5,399,160,000
Super Buu (Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, Gohan, & SSJ2 Vegetto): 3,201,427,200
Kid Buu: 283,334,000
Vegeta: 2,895,099 (stressed)
-SSJ2: 263,444,000
Goku: 2,988,600 (stressed)
-SSJ2: 271,962,600
-Genki Dama: 3,000,000,000