Db"z" vs sf...pl debate... - Come in and debate...if you dare!

[TarkanX]

Joe: your PL's are just rip off copies from planet nameks, those arent your PL's.

frieza-(form 4 MAX) 12,000,000
and ssj goku- (final fighting)18,000,000

That is wrong, and those PL's are WAY too low.

Goku's level is still a tad high

lol

Tark, those Furiza levels are ridiculous. Remember that growth percentage chart I gave you in the SFvsDBZ debate? There's NO WAY that according to the recorded power growth of goku that he could have gotten levels even a quarter of the strength you have him at. 70 million and 100 million? Lemme list them again for you.

Yes there is, it has been stated, by the godly Dragon Ball experts that you need at least a 10% advantage at the minimum to be all over your opponent, where your opponent can't get a hit off of you, or only gets a few hits.

70 million and 100 million is Freiza's. His last form percentages were stated. He transformed at 20%, went up to 30% to kill Vegeta, and fight against Goku, went up to 50% to fight against Goku and kaio-ken*20, went to 70%, then went to max. And remember that I put a PL from something to another thing. so even if his PL might not be 100 million which is most likely, I put the range from 22 million - 100 million.

Goku's Kamehameha: 924

Raditz then says he is increasing after saying 924. But Raditz overwhelmed it.

Goku's kamehameha vs Radditsu: 924
Goku vs Nappa: around 8,000
% increase in power: 865%

924 wasn't Goku's max against Raditz, that was just him using dormant ki. Dormant ki is when you can go over your max using some type of special ki manipulation, like Kamehameha. And Goku's max vs. Nappa was "over 8,000. I'd put him at 8,100. Which is an increase of 1947%

Goku Vs Nappa: 8,000
Goku on Namek: 90,000
% increase in power: 1,125%

He was at 90,000 max when he fought Ginyu, he wasn't at 90,000(base level) when he fought Freiza.

Now, we can't determine the next time Goku maxes out without using the Kaio-ken, because he was using it the entire fight with Furiza. Therefore, the next max level we would have for Goku would be SSJ Goku at his max. Since you have Furiza listed at around 20 million, let's assume that Goku was also at 20 million (they were pretty evenly-matched during the fight.

You forgot to put Goku's base level against Freiza, even though he didn't use it.

Goku on Namek: 90,000
SSJ Goku: 20,000,000
% increase in power: 22,200%

22,200%! In about a day! For Goku to increase the 850% to fight Nappa, it took a whole year. To increase the 1,100% increase it took I think a month, while training under extremely harsh conditions (100x earths gravity). Now, for someone to make a 22,200% increase just by being healed and transforming in a day or so seems extremely unrealistic, even compared to normal DBZ growth levels. Better yet, you have Goku maxed at 100,000,000:

I didn't say Goku was at 20 million, I put a range for him, so he's between 22.5 million - 100 million, just like form 4 Freiza at max.

And again you forgot Goku's base level against Freiza which I put at between 620,000-2,800,000. And another thing, when Goku first turned SSJ, it gave him a huge increase. Which is probably at about 35x increase from his base.



You see... this is why I wanted to make a faq, for about DB"Z" power levels.