Gun control in america - flip you, liberatarians.

[Virtual Fighter]

http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.jhtml?reposid=/multimedia/tds/helms/helms_7101.html&setplayer=real_media

This came out on comedy central again yesturday in reply to Flordia's insane messure to allow anyone who feels threatened to be able to shoot their gun.

Here are Florida's standereds of gun use:

State Requirements
Rifles and Shotguns

* Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No.

* Registration of rifles and shotguns? No.

* Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No.

* Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No


Handguns

* Permit to purchase handgun? No

* Registration of handguns? No.

* Licensing of owners of handguns? No.

* Permit to carry handguns? No, unless concealed.


Other Requirements

* Is there a State waiting period? Yes - 3 days for handguns

* Is there a FBI *NICS check for firearm transactions? Yes and a state check system.

* Permit to carry a concealed weapon required? Yes.

* Record of sale: No

This is utterly insane. I can litterally buy a gun and shoot someone and get away with it.

What the hell is this world coming to? We need to ban guns from America indefenatly.

[mastaq]

We shouldn't have to ban guns. People should be allowed to keep guns in their homes. But there should be a thorough backround check done prior. There should also be legislation passed for the whole US about purchasing a gun. You should have to be 21 to carry a gun. In most states as far as I know this is the case.

[Dark_Paladin_X]

Up here (being Canada). We have a law (not sure if it's a law or not, need to check). But if we have a gun, it can't leave our house, unless we're going to a firing range or something. Even if we are, we HAVE to get a permit saying we're taking it out of our house, the time, where we're gonna go, and how long we're gonna have the gun out of the house. If we're caught without a permit, you can get fined or even imprisionment, depending on how severe.

Canada is strict man. which is (in a way) a good thing.

[~Mastermax~]

i still want canadas healthcare...

in kansas there is a backround check which takes 3 to 6 days, depending on there backround. but they are changing the law so that you can walk out of the shop with the gun the day you pay for it, dubya tee eff?

[Angel-Eyes]

[quoteost_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]This is utterly insane. I can litterally buy a gun and shoot someone and get away with it.

What the hell is this world coming to? We need to ban guns from America indefenatly.[/quote]
ok there is a HUUUUUGE difference among buying a gun, shooting sombody with a gun, and especially getting away with it.


you're right, the laws in florida are quite light when it comes to buying a gun, that should be changed.

ok now im gonna give 2 scenarios:

(gun laws as they are)
Im pissed at a guy, I want to kill him, I go buy a gun and kill him.....and will probably get caught eventually.



(changed gun laws so its hard to get a gun)
Im pissed at a guy, I want to kill him, I try to buy a gun but I cant get it, so I borrow from a friend/smuggle/steal/make a gun and then I go kill the guy......and will probably get caught eventually.


enforced gun laws will not reduce the rate of murder, because if you want to kill sombody, you wont let some stupid laws get into your way, because obviously you're not letting the "dont kill people" law get into your way.

enforced gun laws will actually increase the theft rate because people cant buy the guns they want.

We need to ban guns from America indefenatly.

come to a street corner up here in michigan and preach that all day....youwill probably be shot, why?
because almost everyone up here goes hunting (like nobody is at school on opening day)

and its not just MI

[Virtual Fighter]

We shouldn't have to ban guns. People should be allowed to keep guns in their homes. But there should be a thorough backround check done prior. There should also be legislation passed for the whole US about purchasing a gun. You should have to be 21 to carry a gun. In most states as far as I know this is the case.

I don't know what would be the point of owning a gun unless it's protection against someone WITH a gun like a robber, but if we eliminate guns there will be no need for protection.

Yeah, going to the shooting range is fun, but mroe times than none those guns arn't pointed at targets but live people.

(changed gun laws so its hard to get a gun)
Im pissed at a guy, I want to kill him, I try to buy a gun but I cant get it, so I borrow from a friend/smuggle/steal/make a gun and then I go kill the guy......and will probably get caught eventually.


enforced gun laws will not reduce the rate of murder, because if you want to kill sombody, you wont let some stupid laws get into your way, because obviously you're not letting the "dont kill people" law get into your way.

Just deleting the problem as a whole this time will work.

Guns are used for 3 things:

1) Shooting people
2) Shooting targets or signs in shooting ranges
3) shooting animals.

Out of these three only one doesn't involve killing something. Out of these three, the most popular activity in a urban enviornment is killing a person.

enforced gun laws will actually increase the theft rate because people cant buy the guns they want.

No, it will decrease the theaft rate because now people won't have guns to rob liquer stores with, guns to rob banks with, guns to shoot out with the police, guns to steal anything you want.

Deleting guns from america's identity will only have a posetive effect. If we don't have guns at all, (I'm not talking about increasing the srutenty of buying a gun, even though that would help. I'm tlaking doing away with them entirely.) we don't have your situtation becaus there will be no guns to steal.

There was an incident in North Hollywood 8 years ago when two armed men with AK-47s shot and wounded 16 police men, while trying to rob a bank of america.

The weapons they had at the time were legally available.

Later, they were banned bypresident clinton so no more high powered weapons can be sold and no more of these situations can happen.

Just recently, persident bush let the law expire and AK-47s can nowbe bought and sold.

Is he fliping insane? Did he not learn anything from the last time?

come to a street corner up here in michigan and preach that all day....youwill probably be shot, why?
because almost everyone up here goes hunting (like nobody is at school on opening day)

and its not just MI

Thanks for making everyone stereotype americans in your image, by the way.

That's retarded. They're gonna shoot me why? To prove me right?
flip michigan and flip anyother hick state.

[~Mastermax~]

there's nothing wrong with assualt rifles, all they are different for is to imtimidate more. give a few years and the M16 will be legal because the military will have a new standard weapon.

[Elena]

[quoteost_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]I don't know what would be the point of owning a gun unless it's protection against someone WITH a gun like a robber, but if we eliminate guns there will be no need for protection.[/quote]
Uh no...hello guns are not the only weapons robbers can use. There are knifes...and such. If you were to eliminate guns there is nothing stopping a person who really wants a gun to go into the black market and getting one....

Yeah, going to the shooting range is fun, but mroe times than none those guns arn't pointed at targets but live people.

Proof that.

Just deleting the problem as a whole this time will work.

Proof this too...

Deleting guns from america's identity will only have a posetive effect. If we don't have guns at all, (I'm not talking about increasing the srutenty of buying a gun, even though that would help. I'm tlaking doing away with them entirely.) we don't have your situtation becaus there will be no guns to steal.

Wow, you delete all guns from America. Even police officers? Wouldn't that weaken our protection as a whole...now what if Iraqis and all the other people who hate America hear of this?

Ok, maybe just maybe you meant the general public. But what is stopping a police officer from going rouge...and reselling them to the public.

That's retarded. They're gonna shoot me why? To prove me right?
flip michigan and flip anyother hick state.

Duh, Bush is retarded. But to ask all of America to give up their guns at the moment is insane. People like to be able to have their protection..even though it might be that same gun that kills them. To ban all guns to me is personally crazy. I believe there should be stricter laws but not ban it entirely. Do you know what kind of civil war that will cause?

[dominicankid098]

Oh god..

You are not allowed to buy a gun unless you got a permit for it. My uncle just graduated in the Police Academy at Broward Community College which is located in Davie, Florida (just a bit north of Miami). I went up there for his graduation and I had asked him about this new law. He told me people are overexaggerating this new law. You would have to still go through a series of hell to not end up arrested.

A long term investigation, polygraph testing, background and criminal tests/checks, family background checks, etc etc, would take place. Basically, they would even investigate your neighborhood, your friends, your friend's friends, and the whole nine yards.

Seriously, if you didn't have a permit but yet you shot somebody for defending yourself (and the gun is yours), you are still going to jail for possesion of weapon. And possesion is 3 years.




Florida's Main Law

"10-20-LIFE"

-Mandates a minimum 10 year prison term for certain felonies, or attempted felonies in which the offender possesses a firearm or destructive device
-Mandates a minimum 20 year prison term when the firearm is discharged
-Mandates a minimum 25 years to LIFE if someone is injured or killed
-Mandates a minimum 3 year prison term for possession of a firearm.
-Mandates that the minimum prison term is to be served consecutively to any other term of imprisonment imposed


And if you want to sign a petition about this new law, just goto this site:

http://www.bradycampaign.org/legisla...tate.php?st=fl



Edited By dominicankid098 on 1116107645

[Angel-Eyes]

taking guns away from people who use them to break the law is a bad idea....they'll start smuggling them in from other countries.

people will never stop using guns to kill/rob/everything else against the law, and if you take guns away, well there just isnt anything available to replace it.....the gun is the best invention around for these lawbreakers to use