Eminem's encore album leaked... - Yessir....

[Virtual Fighter]

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I don't have much respect for someone who disses their own mother. I don't care what happened; it's distasteful and wrong. Without her, he wouldn't exist. Now, for my own sake, I wouldn't mind very much if he didn't exist. One less wannabe to worry about...

Emenem

[DaSuperTrooper]

Yup Dangermouse's grey album does own, the beat on encore is truely great..

back on topic.

I am too looking forward to his album.. prob get it form irc in the end.. always a couple of kiddy, humourous songs which is great , then you get the real eminem songs, such as sing for the moment.. he is a musical genius, as is michael jackson.

good day. :music: :music:

[Battleaxe22]

I was going to post something along the lines of what Vf

posted, however he got to everything before I ever had the

opportunity. I'm a little disappointed, I like debating,

especially in topics I am fairly current with. Blaze, keep the

debate going!

-Chris

[Virtual Fighter]

Yup Dangermouse's grey album does own, the beat on encore is truely great..

it's actually Savoy Tuffle, from the beatle's white album.

REALLY good song, i'm really really happy how dangermouse intercorperated it into the song.

BTW: just to clarify, blaze is anti-eminem, anti-mainstream rap, pro-tupac.

i am pro rap, pro eminem, pro-tupac. (even though he was all gagnsta gangsta at the top of the list)

[imported_Makaveli]

[quoteost_uid0="blaze985"]If riches define who you are, than this world is completely full of pathetic ingrates. Tell me. Does Bill Gates deserve respect when he is a ruthless business man who cares nothing for the small person? Does that Communist Dictator full of wealth and power deserve any respect when he kills his generals for no reason other than his own paranoia (Stalin)? Hmm? The answer is, unequivically, no. It is moronic to say that those 'accomplishments' give Eminem anything more than money and fame. I believe it to be common sense that money and fame don't deserve respect. To be frank, this sounds weird coming from myself, being a wealthy Texan (as VF pointed out), yet it is the truth. Rich people, famous people, and others like them deserve no more respect than the simple garbage man making a living. If you ask me, that garbage man deserves more, for he's busy doing that which most find degrading to simply put food on the table. The same goes for the janitor, the teacher, and the other jobs that most overlook simply because they get paid crap and no one wants to do it.[/quote]
i give him credit not because of his money, but the fact that he was able too get into the position he could, not everybody can own and produce your own record empire, the "garbage man" you talked about does his job not because he likes it, but because he has to, he hasnt got himself into the position to be a successful businessmen. look its easy to get a standard job picking up garbage* dont get me wrong im not saying the job's easy im saying its easy to get a job like that* but try become the owner of your own record company and sell millions of records, how easy you think that is? for any average joe that would be nearly impossible, for somebody coming from a run down neighberhood c--*spelling* where oppertunity comes around alot less often then i think that is a great achievement in itself...so...that is why i give Eminem respect and credit because he damn well earned it.

[blaze985]

First of all, VF, I'll deal with the Bill Gates issue first, considering I know much more about him than I do rap artists. It has been proven due to sources the news stations have documented that Gates donates money to many different causes, but he does this for two reasons. Number one, he's in trouble for a monopoly. He has to win favor in many people's eyes, and he does this by donating money to various causes. Secondly, he gets tons of tax right-offs for donating money, and this is his second reason for doing it.

Furthermore, I don't really give a poop what Tupac raps about. If I must, I'll get information on him from Masta since Masta is his biggest fan or whatever. Secondly, I'm not exactly pro-Tupac. I'm pro-Tupac is better than Eminem. In addition to that, I got Eminem's The Eminem Show Album, and I remember a line in one of his songs. It's something to the effect of kids wondering if he raps what he does. Later on in the CD (or maybe before, it doesn't really matter), he talks about shooting people and such because he's some sort of soldier. Yes, well, something tells me you won't blatantly admit to criminal acts you've really commited due to this thing we call a law. Oh yeah, and to add to the list of what Eminem tends to diss. I remember that song White America. Now, based on the title alone, it's all about being racist. Oh, does poor Eminem feel sorry for himself because people don't think white people can rap? Too bad. Oh, and then you can move on to the lyrics of the song. After I listened to it the first time, I had to honestly listen to it a second time just to make sure I heard it right. I don't care what anyone says or seems to think they know, that song is completely and utterly anti-America. People like him make me wish this was a Communist Dictator simply so he'd get executed. And, as I said earlier: I don't care what she's done, you don't disrespect your mom like that. Moreover, Eminem doesn't really run his own company. It's been compared before, and I believe it to be accurate. Eminem runs his company like Schwarzenegger (however the Hell his name is spelt) runs California. He has people do it for him; he's the figure head. To be completely honest, Eminem is not that smart. I know for a fact that VF, Chris, The Shiz, Warmor, and I are all smarter than he is. So, his 'company' doesn't really amount to much other than the fact that he's a good figure head. but, then again, so is Tony the Tiger. He runs his business very well, doesn't he? :sarcasm: I know that someone is going to come along and try to prove that Eminem is some genius or whatever, but he really isn't.

Now to move on to the whole comparison to rock music. First of all, rock music is completely different from rap music, and the two are impossible to compare. I'm a lead guitarist in a band that plays at one of he local *insert whatever word you want to use that is defined by a place where you hang out*, and the two styles of music are so different, they're almost on two completely different sides of the spectrum. Anyways, I'm way too tired to continue this long post anymore.

[imported_Makaveli]

*side note* ya heard? 2-pac got a new CD coming out and its produced by Eminem, the 2 singles i got that will be on it are SICK as hell, this CD gon' be straight FiYa

[Battleaxe22]

Number one, he's in trouble for a monopoly. He has to win favor in many people's eyes, and he does this by donating money to various causes. Secondly, he gets tons of tax right-offs for donating money, and this is his second reason for doing it.

A man of bill gates stature-- consequently the depths of his pockets-- should feel more inclined to donate some of his wealth towards worthy causes (ex. Cancer research, cure for aids, un-sheltered children) and not soley because he has run into some extensive criminal road blocks. The tax right off aspect of the situation is another issue altogether, one which can vary pertaining to responses. Thus, I will have to agree with Blaze on the Bill Gates Issue.

I'm pro-Tupac is better than Eminem.

That's a judgement call. You are entitled to your opinion, as allocated by the law, however, ones man's trash is another man's treasure. Suburban white kids look up to Eminem how the Hood-wreck children of the west coast Ghetto looked up to Tupac. If you are to analyze Pac's lyrics, you will realize that he degrades women to an extent that Em has yet to reach. Not to mention, he was one of the first Emcee's to be critique'd on his homophobic material. I say different face, same game.

I remember that song White America. Now, based on the title alone, it's all about being racist.

I will be one of the first to admit that racism has taken a violent swing of direction, and has recently--as of the last ten years-- been directed towards "White America." Just from conversing with the likes of Pip and Makaveli, I know that racism is a non issue in their respective countries. However--speaking solely from a French Canadian Perspective-- the black and white Races are truely segregated here. I am fortunate enough to have friends in the black community, however, it is hardpressed to do so, for the ethnic minorities hold a strong grudge against the white community. The rest of the world has lost a substancial amount of respect for "white Americans" since the War on Iraq commenced. And for many, they feel persecuted for a decision they had little to nothing to do with. Why human kind resists to come to together as one in unity, confounds me to this day. but, the point remains, racism exists on every level. This is not a great time to be a White American. I assure you.

Now, I am one of the biggest supporters of Tupac, but I am willing to admit that he advocated violence-- in general-- as much as any lyrics expressed by the Shady/Aftermath/G-unit Crew. These two individuals are very much the same but have risen from different grass roots. They preach to his own and garner respect from all. If you happened to watch Tupac's recently released documentary entitled "Ressurection" Tupac reveals that a large quantity of his fan base is the White Community, and he is gratefull, for their interest in his cause is what puts food on the table for his existing children, today. The same can be said for Em; a large majority of his fans are ethnic minorities. Therefore, you have to put things into perspective and realize that these two individuals are similar in more ways than you can imagine. Em has ceased his excessive drug use and subsequently terminated demonic lyrics pertaining to the rape/murder of his ex-wife-- Kim Mathers. A sign that the angry white boy has commenced his movement towards maturity. He encountered a moment of clarity, or an epiphany. His daughter deserves all the love and attention he can afford to give her at this stage in her life, for a child cannot bear to see their father in jail. Give the man a chance.

-Chris



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[raddaman0628]

I'm listening to the first (not counting the curtains up part) 2 songs and they explain many things of his life. Its like the songs know what Chris and VF are saying. I think I am crazy or something cause I actually understand most of what the songs say the first time. Listen to it first.

I like Eminem cause he doesn't normally repeat the same words 10 times over probably no more than 6. He actaully talks for more than 2/4 of the song without repeating the same words on what the song is about. An example just loose it: that song sometimes hets annoing but he only repeats the Now I'm gonna make you dance more than 5 times. They are sometimes funny, kind of sad, and just plain stupid (the good way as in say out many words and make up a song).



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[Virtual Fighter]

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Furthermore, I don't really give a poop what Tupac raps about.

well, if you love and respect him so much, shouldn