[ the dream is dead ] - again...

Squall87 · 08-04-2003, 10:54 AM

Well, I was only here for a while. I come back to see how the site is doing and see. "site over." I'm saddened to see how Marvel does this to fans. (I'm not a big Comic book reader, I like the X-men. But I don't read them.) And this is after unlocking everything on my X-box Marvel vs. Capcom 2.

*Sigh*

For those of you bashing Snake. He is right though, Tmy shoulda asked Marvel AND Capcom if it was alright to use there characters for an online site. Don't snap at him, because international law prohibits using trademarked characters without permission. (Though there is Fanart and Fanfiction...*shrug*)

Tmy was basically making a online version of the site. Which was basically a port. Meaning that Tmy was piriating (in a sense) the site. He wasn't making a profit. Which under the GNU licence. (For open-source stuff) was ok. But in in Marvels eyes, it wasn't. Because they are a business and want to make time. If Tmy asks them nicely, and they still say no. Even if he requested that he would have people pay for the site mounthly and have a staff of people working on it. (*shrug*) and htey still say no. What do you think the fans are going to do? Marvel is a corperation. They only think on time terms. They don't think about FUN, they think about profit. The more profit they make, the more they can keep the company running, and give you the things you love.

Tmy did put a disclaimer up. But, as the letter says. "It was misleading." If Tmy worded it diffrent, or asked Marvel if he could reword it, and they said no. Then that's final, case closed.

I loved playing online. Seeing how I don't have broadband, for my X-box, nor my PC...it was nice being able to fight people as Chun-Li, even with lag. And I got to talk to Tmy once. *faint* He was a nice guy, even though it was about 1-2 AM, EST. XD.

Those of you that are asking Tmy to make a new site with Capcom characters. That's a stupid idea. Because if Capcom doesn't allow it. The same thing that is happining here is going to do it to that.

But, you have an idea there.

He is using Flash, which is open. If Tmy took everything out, but distrubuted the engine and how to make stuff under the GNU licence. What would you think of that? He would be scott-free, because he isn't doing anything for that. He is just distributing an engine. This would be the BEST option. Because if Tmy contributed, and we all made new chracters. Just imagine the progress this would make.

Each person could help devlop the characters, or stages. Think about it. 50 people on one character, synching the moves and crap. That would take less than a mounth or two to do. Compared to Tmy doing everything on his own and taking a year or six mounths to get it all done for you.

I implore you, Tmy. Release the engine, under the GNU licence, and instructions on how to make a site with it. You would make tons of people happy. Plus, if anyone charged time on your engine. You could easily sue them.

Major plus.

In closing, I have to say. My liking of Marvel is lessened, but not dead. I hope they really reconsider. With peopel pestering them, they may. But we know how corperations are.

Tmy, you were a nice guy when I talked to you. Stay that way. You and your biggrin. :biggrin: when I was lurking here, it was funny. Seeing people with sigs saying they were going to out biggrin you. XD.

Everyone, stay cool. Oh, and those of you that had 'sites and kick-arse sigs. Band together and make a website. I would really love to see tutorials on how to make KKS's sig. That was really cool.

In (another) closing, I'd like to say. "Marvel, I hope you reconsider, otherwise your just going to have fans turn away from you. Tmy, I hope you release the engine for fans to help you make a new site with. Everyone, don't send heated mails to Marvel, but nice, spellchecked, polite and explaining every reason e-mails to Marvel to have them reconsider."

And before I close fully. (*pant pant*) Why was Marvel "cool" with all this, and then, all of a sudden say "No." Doesn't make sense to me.

It's been fun guys. I hope Tmy releases the engine and we can make a site that is better than Marvel and Capcoms sites.

*Get's off soap box and falls dead from ranting.*

~Squall.

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08-04-2003, 10:54 AM	#11
Squall87 Senior Member Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 212 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	Well, I was only here for a while. I come back to see how the site is doing and see. "site over." I'm saddened to see how Marvel does this to fans. (I'm not a big Comic book reader, I like the X-men. But I don't read them.) And this is after unlocking everything on my X-box Marvel vs. Capcom 2. Sigh For those of you bashing Snake. He is right though, Tmy shoulda asked Marvel AND Capcom if it was alright to use there characters for an online site. Don't snap at him, because international law prohibits using trademarked characters without permission. (Though there is Fanart and Fanfiction...shrug) Tmy was basically making a online version of the site. Which was basically a port. Meaning that Tmy was piriating (in a sense) the site. He wasn't making a profit. Which under the GNU licence. (For open-source stuff) was ok. But in in Marvels eyes, it wasn't. Because they are a business and want to make time. If Tmy asks them nicely, and they still say no. Even if he requested that he would have people pay for the site mounthly and have a staff of people working on it. (shrug) and htey still say no. What do you think the fans are going to do? Marvel is a corperation. They only think on time terms. They don't think about FUN, they think about profit. The more profit they make, the more they can keep the company running, and give you the things you love. Tmy did put a disclaimer up. But, as the letter says. "It was misleading." If Tmy worded it diffrent, or asked Marvel if he could reword it, and they said no. Then that's final, case closed. I loved playing online. Seeing how I don't have broadband, for my X-box, nor my PC...it was nice being able to fight people as Chun-Li, even with lag. And I got to talk to Tmy once. faint He was a nice guy, even though it was about 1-2 AM, EST. XD. Those of you that are asking Tmy to make a new site with Capcom characters. That's a stupid idea. Because if Capcom doesn't allow it. The same thing that is happining here is going to do it to that. But, you have an idea there. He is using Flash, which is open. If Tmy took everything out, but distrubuted the engine and how to make stuff under the GNU licence. What would you think of that? He would be scott-free, because he isn't doing anything for that. He is just distributing an engine. This would be the BEST option. Because if Tmy contributed, and we all made new chracters. Just imagine the progress this would make. Each person could help devlop the characters, or stages. Think about it. 50 people on one character, synching the moves and crap. That would take less than a mounth or two to do. Compared to Tmy doing everything on his own and taking a year or six mounths to get it all done for you. I implore you, Tmy. Release the engine, under the GNU licence, and instructions on how to make a site with it. You would make tons of people happy. Plus, if anyone charged time on your engine. You could easily sue them. Major plus. In closing, I have to say. My liking of Marvel is lessened, but not dead. I hope they really reconsider. With peopel pestering them, they may. But we know how corperations are. Tmy, you were a nice guy when I talked to you. Stay that way. You and your biggrin. :biggrin: when I was lurking here, it was funny. Seeing people with sigs saying they were going to out biggrin you. XD. Everyone, stay cool. Oh, and those of you that had 'sites and kick-arse sigs. Band together and make a website. I would really love to see tutorials on how to make KKS's sig. That was really cool. In (another) closing, I'd like to say. "Marvel, I hope you reconsider, otherwise your just going to have fans turn away from you. Tmy, I hope you release the engine for fans to help you make a new site with. Everyone, don't send heated mails to Marvel, but nice, spellchecked, polite and explaining every reason e-mails to Marvel to have them reconsider." And before I close fully. (pant pant) Why was Marvel "cool" with all this, and then, all of a sudden say "No." Doesn't make sense to me. It's been fun guys. I hope Tmy releases the engine and we can make a site that is better than Marvel and Capcoms sites. Get's off soap box and falls dead from ranting. ~Squall.