Metal gear solid 3 - The lowdown and you think about it - Page 2

SiLent_BoB · 07-08-2003, 06:28 PM

woot i just downloaded and watched the e3 trailer and it was awesome ...although i didnt understand a single word snake and the guards said because its in japanese...oh well i can use my imagination..heheh

SSJKarma · 07-08-2003, 09:43 PM

actually, the fourth one i hated so much when it became raiden and even worst when i hard SNAKE was the bad guy is some scene !

RAIDEN DEFEATING SNAKE !

SiLent_BoB · 07-08-2003, 11:08 PM

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ost_uid0="SSJKarma"]actually, the fourth one i hated so much when it became raiden and even worst when i hard SNAKE was the bad guy is some scene !

RAIDEN DEFEATING SNAKE ![/quote]
erm raiden never defeated snake.. snake was sorta schooling him into being a better foxhound agent(over codec.).
its actuallly funny how snake manipulates raiden thru the game cuz he is a rookie. The only snake raiden ever defeated was solidus snake(his foster father)
but snake was framed as a bad guy but it didnt last long.

duntedevil · 07-09-2003, 01:26 AM

cool ive been always into mgs games next one comin got to get it

SSJKarma · 07-09-2003, 10:55 PM

anyway... didn't said i hated the whole system, but story wise, if the story isn't about SNAKE or anything like that... i mean BEING PLAYED in the game... then i say that we are talking about a whole new METAL GEAR, not the old one !

BTW...
why do everyone care to know the origins of a character ?
i mean come on...
LUKE SKYWALKER in STAR WARS (FANS: we want to know who anakin was)
and later they'll want to know who OBIWAN WAS and how he was discovered as well ! or why not even qui-gon while you are there !

same goes to every single game i know...
they all do the game, then do games that goes before the first game !
its juts plain old stupid !

METAL GEAR, for my part as always been with snake, so i don't see the point of having him removed of the game, and i mean removed as the playable char !

it would be like that FINAL FANTASY movie !
yes there was the love story like in all FF games, but by removing the weapons and magics and also summons... they got rid of everything that made the games what they were !

so i say MGS is the same as that...
MG never have been only about METAL GEAR, but also about how snake made his debut, to the snake we know now...
METAL GEAR and the gameplay isn't what makes the game fun to play, for me ! i like the story in this game and if the story bugs me out, then the whole game bugs me out !

if snake is again, the main character of the game and you play with him for at least 3/4 of the game, then ok, but if like the fourth MG... i won't buy it, maybe borrow it from a friend or something, but never will i buy something that doesn'T ahve snake !

G_GUNDAM · 07-09-2003, 11:29 PM

i agree with ya karma. i got pissed off when u had to play as raiden for most of the game. i was like :angry: i beat that game in 2 days then i returned it at gamestop and got my money back. damn that game to hell!!!!!! :angryfire: but it was still a good game even if you could be snake through the whole game.

SiLent_BoB · 07-10-2003, 09:19 AM

bah you guys need to have more open minds...

anyways i was always curious about big boss . im mean he really was kinda shrouded in mystery for me.

and the metal gear story..erm liquid lives thru his arm in ocelot..kinda dumb if you ask me but the whole S3(solid snake simulator) was cool. and then is was actualy a censoring decive by the patriots.(wich made my head spin...plot changes you know)

but its you opinion and this thread said what you think about the new game.

well i think its gonna be great just like metal gear solid 2 (and dont say it sucked because snake wasnt in it. raiden may be a rookie but he kicked some ass)

heh i wonder if the next metal gear will feature liquid..hmmm or maybe both liquid and solid.

DA_VIPA · 07-10-2003, 03:40 PM

wow mgs3 already i spent all last summer playin mgs2:sons of liberty!...not to change da subject or n e ting but err..does any1 notice that vamp is still alive..in the end movies of sons of liberty if u zoom in at the cab u will see vamp in a brown coat..freaks me out..and ocelot..doesnt he get away? and who da fuk he talkin to? oh wait that was solidus..mgs1..another 1 of my favs

SSJKarma · 07-10-2003, 04:30 PM

SOLIDUS = PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES !
stated in the end radio conversation between OCELOT and SOLIDUS !

as for the second game, didn't say anything about the game being sucking !
i like the kind of game as much as a big fan of FF does with the series !

i like SPLINTER CELL, i like MGS, i like THIEF !
but without a good story... or a change of story that bad... it just doesnT' matter how the gameplay is, you still see the same old stupid story, so you just want to play the game without the need to listen to the damn FMVs or STORY !

like i said, i love the kind of game !
but the game as always been about snake, why having it changed to raiden ?
BIG BOSS...
who give a damn about him ?
i say once you'll have seen big boss, will you want to know who his father was ?
why don't be asking how the world was made in the first place, while you are there !

that's what i am saying !
i say, you made the 1,2,3 games with SNAKE as the main hero, then i say... don't change an already working solution and keep him the main hero !

same goes to any other things !
example:
Dragonball GT
at the end oif DBZ, GOKU (the hero) was training UBUU because he would have to defend the earth. because goku was now too old...

but DBGT goes all the way with GOTEN and TRUNKS, and all the way to GOKU JR and VEGETA JR !

i mean come on, don't you think its going to far for nothing, it makes the thing gets worst then it is !

same goes for MGS, if SNAKE is the hero, then go on with it and continu as him being the hero !
that's all i say !

the game rock and will still rock, reguardless of the main charcater, but story wise, changing the hero when it was all about him, is just plain old stupid !

SiLent_BoB · 07-10-2003, 07:59 PM

well you do have a point there. but i seriously doubt they will go into the depth of big boss's father because in the metal gear series they don't mention anything about it anyways. oh and the reason i was interested in big boss is because he was the renowned worlds greatest solider. so i just wanna see how great he really was.

im confused on why it changed to raiden but here is a probable reason. snake is getting old. he probably was either in his early 40's or late 30's in metal gear solid 2
and in metal gear solid 1 snake states to campel that he is retired. so i guess konami was searching for a replacement. but i guess its hard to like change when you grew with snake during the series.

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07-08-2003, 09:43 PM	#12
SSJKarma Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canada somewhere in the province of quebec Posts: 5,445 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	actually, the fourth one i hated so much when it became raiden and even worst when i hard SNAKE was the bad guy is some scene ! RAIDEN DEFEATING SNAKE ! __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://membres.lycos.fr/imagesforum/Banner.gif[/img:sig_uid] "How did you escape my grasp ? no matter, i'll crush you now !" -DB : Lost Soul My Web Site http://membres.lycos.fr/xmvssf/

07-08-2003, 11:08 PM	#13
SiLent_BoB Senior Member Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 224 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	[quoteost_uid0="SSJKarma"]actually, the fourth one i hated so much when it became raiden and even worst when i hard SNAKE was the bad guy is some scene ! RAIDEN DEFEATING SNAKE ![/quote] erm raiden never defeated snake.. snake was sorta schooling him into being a better foxhound agent(over codec.). its actuallly funny how snake manipulates raiden thru the game cuz he is a rookie. The only snake raiden ever defeated was solidus snake(his foster father) but snake was framed as a bad guy but it didnt last long.

07-09-2003, 01:26 AM	#14
duntedevil Senior Member Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London Posts: 131 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	cool ive been always into mgs games next one comin got to get it __________________ http://www.angelfire.com/gundam/supe...Duntedevil.gif

07-09-2003, 10:55 PM	#15
SSJKarma Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canada somewhere in the province of quebec Posts: 5,445 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	anyway... didn't said i hated the whole system, but story wise, if the story isn't about SNAKE or anything like that... i mean BEING PLAYED in the game... then i say that we are talking about a whole new METAL GEAR, not the old one ! BTW... why do everyone care to know the origins of a character ? i mean come on... LUKE SKYWALKER in STAR WARS (FANS: we want to know who anakin was) and later they'll want to know who OBIWAN WAS and how he was discovered as well ! or why not even qui-gon while you are there ! same goes to every single game i know... they all do the game, then do games that goes before the first game ! its juts plain old stupid ! METAL GEAR, for my part as always been with snake, so i don't see the point of having him removed of the game, and i mean removed as the playable char ! it would be like that FINAL FANTASY movie ! yes there was the love story like in all FF games, but by removing the weapons and magics and also summons... they got rid of everything that made the games what they were ! so i say MGS is the same as that... MG never have been only about METAL GEAR, but also about how snake made his debut, to the snake we know now... METAL GEAR and the gameplay isn't what makes the game fun to play, for me ! i like the story in this game and if the story bugs me out, then the whole game bugs me out ! if snake is again, the main character of the game and you play with him for at least 3/4 of the game, then ok, but if like the fourth MG... i won't buy it, maybe borrow it from a friend or something, but never will i buy something that doesn'T ahve snake ! __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://membres.lycos.fr/imagesforum/Banner.gif[/img:sig_uid] "How did you escape my grasp ? no matter, i'll crush you now !" -DB : Lost Soul My Web Site http://membres.lycos.fr/xmvssf/

07-08-2003, 06:28 PM	#11
SiLent_BoB Senior Member Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 224 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	woot i just downloaded and watched the e3 trailer and it was awesome ...although i didnt understand a single word snake and the guards said because its in japanese...oh well i can use my imagination..heheh

07-09-2003, 11:29 PM	#16
G_GUNDAM Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 793 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	i agree with ya karma. i got pissed off when u had to play as raiden for most of the game. i was like :angry: i beat that game in 2 days then i returned it at gamestop and got my money back. damn that game to hell!!!!!! :angryfire: but it was still a good game even if you could be snake through the whole game. __________________ fear is my pleasure, hatred is my nourishment........... [img:sig_uid]http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload5/TESTAMENT.jpg[/img:sig_uid] [img:sig_uid]http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload6/ggxtestament.jpg[/img:sig_uid]

07-10-2003, 09:19 AM	#17
SiLent_BoB Senior Member Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 224 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	bah you guys need to have more open minds... anyways i was always curious about big boss . im mean he really was kinda shrouded in mystery for me. and the metal gear story..erm liquid lives thru his arm in ocelot..kinda dumb if you ask me but the whole S3(solid snake simulator) was cool. and then is was actualy a censoring decive by the patriots.(wich made my head spin...plot changes you know) but its you opinion and this thread said what you think about the new game. well i think its gonna be great just like metal gear solid 2 (and dont say it sucked because snake wasnt in it. raiden may be a rookie but he kicked some ass) heh i wonder if the next metal gear will feature liquid..hmmm or maybe both liquid and solid.

07-10-2003, 03:40 PM	#18
DA_VIPA Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ...haha u cant find me Posts: 2,364 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	wow mgs3 already i spent all last summer playin mgs2:sons of liberty!...not to change da subject or n e ting but err..does any1 notice that vamp is still alive..in the end movies of sons of liberty if u zoom in at the cab u will see vamp in a brown coat..freaks me out..and ocelot..doesnt he get away? and who da fuk he talkin to? oh wait that was solidus..mgs1..another 1 of my favs

07-10-2003, 04:30 PM	#19
SSJKarma Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canada somewhere in the province of quebec Posts: 5,445 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	SOLIDUS = PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ! stated in the end radio conversation between OCELOT and SOLIDUS ! as for the second game, didn't say anything about the game being sucking ! i like the kind of game as much as a big fan of FF does with the series ! i like SPLINTER CELL, i like MGS, i like THIEF ! but without a good story... or a change of story that bad... it just doesnT' matter how the gameplay is, you still see the same old stupid story, so you just want to play the game without the need to listen to the damn FMVs or STORY ! like i said, i love the kind of game ! but the game as always been about snake, why having it changed to raiden ? BIG BOSS... who give a damn about him ? i say once you'll have seen big boss, will you want to know who his father was ? why don't be asking how the world was made in the first place, while you are there ! that's what i am saying ! i say, you made the 1,2,3 games with SNAKE as the main hero, then i say... don't change an already working solution and keep him the main hero ! same goes to any other things ! example: Dragonball GT at the end oif DBZ, GOKU (the hero) was training UBUU because he would have to defend the earth. because goku was now too old... but DBGT goes all the way with GOTEN and TRUNKS, and all the way to GOKU JR and VEGETA JR ! i mean come on, don't you think its going to far for nothing, it makes the thing gets worst then it is ! same goes for MGS, if SNAKE is the hero, then go on with it and continu as him being the hero ! that's all i say ! the game rock and will still rock, reguardless of the main charcater, but story wise, changing the hero when it was all about him, is just plain old stupid ! __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://membres.lycos.fr/imagesforum/Banner.gif[/img:sig_uid] "How did you escape my grasp ? no matter, i'll crush you now !" -DB : Lost Soul My Web Site http://membres.lycos.fr/xmvssf/

07-10-2003, 07:59 PM	#20
SiLent_BoB Senior Member Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 224 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	well you do have a point there. but i seriously doubt they will go into the depth of big boss's father because in the metal gear series they don't mention anything about it anyways. oh and the reason i was interested in big boss is because he was the renowned worlds greatest solider. so i just wanna see how great he really was. im confused on why it changed to raiden but here is a probable reason. snake is getting old. he probably was either in his early 40's or late 30's in metal gear solid 2 and in metal gear solid 1 snake states to campel that he is retired. so i guess konami was searching for a replacement. but i guess its hard to like change when you grew with snake during the series.