Religion - Good/bad

[mastergrim8]

what matters is no religion is wrong or correct as long as it's involved with the path to heaven remmember you sins are always forgiven you ask for forgiveness and vengeance is sin!

[Virtual Fighter]

Tell me now is there 1 religion in the world? No. How can the world be unified under several different religions? If there was one religion that was right and I believe there is, and if everyone followed it then what do you think would have happened?

Oh yeah, and I bet your answer to racism is "If we were all one race there wouldn't be anymore!"

-_-

Even if we were one religion, that doesn't stop people from saying "OMG! YOU'RE NOT BEING A TRUE " and killing each other.

...or raping little boys in the choir.

What I do agree with you on is that their is chaos happening within all religions. To be honest very few people in this world are following religions like how they were meant to be. In the Quran it says the Muslim community will split and be corrupted, as a sign of the day of judgement.

Who are you to say ANYTHING?

The only person who can say "Your religion is wrong" is shiva, mohammad, buddha or jesus himself.

You christians (and from what i've seen, pretty much only christians. I havn't seen any muslims say "OMG U DONT BELIEVE IN THE RIGH GOD!!1", and there is a large number of muslims in this community) JUDGE YOU based on who you are and what you believe in.

Did jesus not say, judge not let ye be judged?

Or did you not read that part? -_-'

Hmm, I never said anything about "defending" religion..., I'm simply defending the fact that God exist.

And you're doing a great job of it, too!

Because god was once seen in a cloud, and that's enough proof for the average american.

@Abound...Read carefully: Before God became God..., he was known as Elohim. Meaning the Self-existent one, nothing existed but him, and in him alone, he possed these features that he wanted to be displayed.
-The nature of a Father.
-Love.
-The ability to save.
-Creator.
-The ability to heal.
-Give life.

And who created Elohim? He can't just exsist. As you christians say, "Things don't just exsist because they do. something has to make it.

He loved worship..., and many other abilities than he wanted displayed for Glory..., and In order for Him to display all these, there had to be something that was lost in order for him to "save". There had to be something that had to be sick in order for him to "heal"..., along with the things I mentioned. The people who have believed in Him, have experienced being healed of their sickness, not knowing Him, and then knowing him, etc.
As a Father, he had to have his own "children", thats why he created Human being and gave them dominion over all the creatures..., God's intentions were good from thr begining and will always be. Some events are caused by the Devil/Satan, and not God..., and so God permitted it.

And what, there's a picture of this so we can say "Oh yeah, look... he does exsist." Or even physical evidense he was there?

And if god had the ability to heal 20,000,000 wouldn't have died of AIDS.

Most of your "proof" god exsist is all in the bible. But how do we know if the bible is right? We don't.

[vx_unicom]

God is the Creator, he doesn't have a craetor..., if he did, then he wouldn't be infinite, or eternal. He doesn't have a begining or end. Things that have a begin and an end exist in time, but he is eternal, time doesn't apply to him.

About the 20,000,000 people, your wrong. Many christians and non-christians have testified of being healed of their sickness because they believed in God. Lol, it's funny how some people only believe in God, when their sick, or on their death bed in the hospital. There's been people healed of cancer, malaria..., and so many other disease. God can't just heal you if you don't believe in Him or know him.

God has always healed people who had faith in Him, and believed him. There was once some old lady up in Arizona, who was infected with some brain disease..., and she was at the edge of dying. Doctors did everything they could, but then they told her husband that she would die. fortunately for her, she "believed" that God lives, and that he is capable of healing her.

Things looked hopeless..., the doctors, her husband were in the room with her, when all of a sudden the room was filled with some strange light hanging over the lady and immediately her brain was well functioning at a 100% and there was no sign of the disease. The room was filled with silence..., everyone, including the doctors were speechless. She was "healed", why?! Because she knew who she believed in. So many people have experienced Gods healing due to their faith.

There is no way someone can truly prove God. Only God himself can..., and he does it in his own way. Lol, God doesn't think the way you think, for him to come down and hi. His face his brighter than the sun, He is God, sin cannot stand in his presence..., you body can't even last 2 seconds in his overwhelming presence. You will probably end up in state of shock, paralyzed, weak, etc.

The people who wrote the bible did not make it up. It was written by rabbis, of scrolls found sometime in 1700's or earlier in the greek and hebrew languages before translated in English and french.

Lol..., this arguement is a waste of time. The subject of the topic itself is not debatable.



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[Virtual Fighter]

God is the Creator, he doesn't have a craetor..., if he did, then he wouldn't be infinite, or eternal. He doesn't have a begining or end. Things that have a begin and an end exist in time, but he is eternal, time doesn't apply to him.

Then where did he come from? There has to be a bigginning, and an end. This rule applies to everything. He had to come from somewhere.

Things don't exsist just because they do.

About the 20,000,000 people, your wrong. Many christians and non-christians have testified of being healed of their sickness because they believed in God. Lol, it's funny how some people only believe in God, when their sick, or on their death bed in the hospital. There's been people healed of cancer, malaria..., and so many other disease. God can't just heal you if you don't believe in Him or know him.

That's because there is a cure for malaria, it's been known since the 1800s. There is treatment for cancer, and many people have beat cancer NOT because they prayed, but because their lives were in the hands of proffesionals.

Aids has no cure and no one has ever survived from it.

If you credit god with everything, it just means you have no will. Instead of saying "I got this award because I practiced hard and did my best!" No, isntead, you de-credit yourself and say "God did it. It was all him, I had no part in it because I suck."

Also, the human mind works wonders. It's been known that if you believe you're getting better, you're going to get better. That's why people use placebos to cure their ailments, even though it was all their own will.

No, it wasn't some magical force, it wasn't some dude on a cloud, it was yourself. You did it. You and medicine. That's all we know, and that's all we can base anything on.

God has always healed people who had faith in Him, and believed him. There was once some old lady up in Arizona, who was infected with some brain disease..., and she was at the edge of dying. Doctors did everything they could, but then they told her husband that she would die. fortunately for her, she "believed" that God lives, and that he is capable of healing her.

First, quit making stuff up. Unless you have a link, unless you have a picture, unless you have PROOF, this story never happened.

Second, i've seen peope on the edge of dying, too. They lived, too. You know why? No, it wasn't magic, it was the fact they believed not in god but in them SELVES. In their power to control their own body, and in their beliefe in the wonders of modern medicine.

If I were to shoot you in the brain, there's no god that will save you, you would die. That's just how things work.

Now, if you're going to quote a story, or an incident, give me a link so we can know is actually happened?

Things looked hopeless..., the doctors, her husband were in the room with her, when all of a sudden the room was filled with some strange light hanging over the lady and immediately her brain was well functioning at a 100% and there was no sign of the disease. The room was filled with silence..., everyone, including the doctors were speechless. She was "healed", why?! Because she knew who she believed in. So many people have experienced Gods healing due to their faith.

Did you read that in your bible? -_-

There is no way someone can truly prove God. Only God himself can..., and he does it in his own way. Lol, God doesn't think the way you think, for him to come down and hi. His face his brighter than the sun,

Pfft. And what's with this bullpoop about Everyone in the bible being white. That's bullpoop. I was watching the church channell's cartoons today, and the virgin marry, the angel, and everyone else they met were all pale as poop.

They live in the middle east. Now, unless you wear alot of sun screan, you're going to be dark as night.

Jesus was brown, had brown eyes and had short hair. The first image is the "traditional", blond haired, white skined blue eyed "aryan" jesus, the second is the historically accurate jesus:



"And Jesus probably did have some African links - after all the conventional theory is that he lived as a child in Egypt where, presumably, his appearance did not make him stand out."

Even in Latin America and other parts of the non-white world, where Catholecism and christianity are the #1 religion, Jesus and all of his people are white.

[i] "The hair was the easiest - there's a reference in Paul which says it's disgraceful for a man to wear long hair, so it looks pretty sure that people of that period had to have reasonably short hair. The traditional depictions of Jesus with long flowing golden hair are probably inaccurate."

"Jesus, the Annointed One (Kristos), was a Jew, a member of the Semitic peoples. The historical record is very clear, unequivocal actually, that 2,000 years ago the Semites were a brown, dark brown or black people with tightly curled to woolly hair. The one phenotype that Jesus the Annointed One (Kristos), or any of the disciples for that matter, would not have been was a Caucasian, a white man."


But why would the church lie to you? I don't know, are they racist, too?

The people who wrote the bible did not make it up. It was written by rabbis, of scrolls found sometime in 1700's or earlier in the greek and hebrew languages before translated in English and french.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

The final book, the book of revelations was written in 90 CE AT THE LATEST. That means, 90 years after jesus was born. NOT in the 1700s.

For flip's sake, you don't even know when or who wrote the book you've dedicated your life to!

Lol..., this arguement is a waste of time. The subject of the topic itself is not debatable.

Looks like someone is backing down because he doesn't believe...

[SSJKarma]

ok that's what i was thinking would happen, now you are all dissing on vf and worst you are staring to say those who do not believe in god are whacked and all... you know, your own thing about gods and the fact that you got free will doesn't even works together !

come on, free will ? then explain me why god askes you to do something and you must do it ! that isn't free will if you ask me !

anyway...

just for the fact that most of you seems to think too greatly off the religion and are like dissing people cause they don't have the same ideal as you, then this topic is closed. as simple as that !

next time don't do a fliping religion topic, it always gets like that !

[Abdoun_bacK]

no one was disrespecting religion...Topic OPen

[alamgir]

Oh yeah, and I bet your answer to racism is "If we were all one race there wouldn't be anymore!"

Sadly that is probably true, afterall there have always been racist people and there always will be.

Who are you to say ANYTHING?

Who am I to say anything? Suicide bombings, terrorism, gay bishops, wars and more sins are being commited in this world. All of the main religions condemn what i've said. Perhaps I was a little harsh in saying most people don't follow their religions as they were supposed to but you have to admit to what's going on in the world.



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[Abdoun_bacK]

[quoteost_uid0="vx_unicom"]The people who wrote the bible did not make it up. It was written by rabbis, of scrolls found sometime in 1700's or earlier in the greek and hebrew languages before translated in English and french.[/quote]
If you want the true words of God, and not the re re re edited one (bible), you have to look for the Dead Sea Scrolls. Unfortunatley, NO ONE CAN READ ARAMAIC!!! The Bible has been re written many times....


The question of who created God is a never ending question. Because we say "who created God?" The "whose? the person who created the creator of God?" so on and so on.

They live in the middle east. Now, unless you wear alot of sun screan, you're going to be dark as night.

True that. Iam From Jordan (bordering Israel/Palestine). If you go to the east or south side, youll get Crispy. Jerusalem..my parents use to live there....HOT AND REALLY SUNNY.

Lol..., this arguement is a waste of time. The subject of the topic itself is not debatable.

surely and always will, rise questions.

[alamgir]

We'll never conclude this debate. Religon is just one of those things.

[Abdoun_bacK]

Religion is the strongest and never ending philosophy.