Religion - Good/bad

[alamgir]

So, are the rest of us going to hell? I don't believe that to be true. I believe our actions not our religion if there truly is a higher beings messing with us...will decide where we go. If we go anywhere else but 6 ft under after death. Your actions reflect you not how many times you went to church and claimed your religion. I mean ppl could be as bitchy as can be and say their Christian but do you think they are going to heaven. And there could be this Atheist who is they nicest person out there...helpful...kind...truthful...and...so are you telling me they will go to hell and the other person to heaven? I know that's your religion and your opinion but do you think it's fair?

In Islam, Muslims believe that everyone will be punished for their sins, just being Muslim is by no means enough to get you into heaven. Likewise I believe that being a Christian doesn't necessarily mean you'll go to hell. I do believe certain aspects of the Christian belief are sinful but I also believe that only Allah (God) can judge who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. I believe Allah is merciful and forgiving and that if a person was a christian but was a good person and only rejected Islam because he/she was brought up into christianity or was forced into it then he/she may go to heaven. Basically Allah decides your fate fairly even if your not a Muslim.

[vx_unicom]

I would just like to clearify one thing that people seem to be missing, or not being able to understand, "coughs" virtual fighter a.k.a. religion hater, "coughs"... :biggrin:

As I recall, this topic was created in order to see people's views on religion, whether it's a bad influence or NOT.Not to dispute about God's existence. But it seems people are slightly drifting away claiming as it seems..., that their religion is somehowbetter than other people's religions in some other aspects. God judges you based on your actions, and not based on an entire religion.

---> to be continued.

[Virtual Fighter]

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Sighs, I pity you, have you been in India?. It's clear that you won't change your ignorant ways..., not suprised either, seeing as how your little

mind is unwilling to expand it's way of seeing things, and seeing things far beyond where you live, and this world for that matter.

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[Virtual Fighter]

I just thought about another way to counter the "OMG VF UR IGNORANT!!11"

You talk about thinking "outside of the box" and "expanding your mind".

John Coltrane thought outside of the box. He expanded his mind. He created the musical genre we know as jazz fussion.

John Lennon expanded his mind. He mixed poletics and rock into pop culture.

Einstine loved science, he created the most advances in science and math ever. He expanded his mind. (although you probably hate him snice he was a jew)

How do you expand your mind? By becoming one of the billion, zelot like drones?

Expanding your mind would be creating your own religion unlike anything anyone has seen.

What you're doing is just like everyone else is doing, only worse.

[vx_unicom]

You humour me VF..., however with Infidels like you, I knew this topic was going to turn into a debate, absolutely!! First of all, know one is imposing on you for not believing in God. I'm imposing on you for bringing up false accusations towards religion, such as "religion started a war", and all that nonsense.

Religion did not cause a war..., and without God's laws, there wouldn't be any laws to begin with, which is indeed a good thing right?! God's intentions were good, when he created us..., to live peacefully with all the creatures of the earth, and have dominion over all things here on earth.

But you must understand that God's will is greater than man's and he permits something for the "greater" good.

Your mistaken, with regards to these particular things you mentioned:I quote...
"Because all I see religion is doing is war, pushing homophobia, pushing sexsism, banning condoms and pushing the aids virus, overpopulating the world by banning birth control, and pushing, most of all, HATE."

God did not and is NOT responsible for these events, Humans are. Out of all creation, humans are the only ones that failed to do as God wills, by defying themselves, committing adultry, etc..., thus enabling all these events upon themselves..., thanks to his laws, I will never posses any of those sickness.

I understand from the science point of view, of how the world was created. But I also understand from the christian point of view of how the world was created, but the christian way is much more accurate. That explosion did not cause, so that the earth would be filled with all these different types of creatures. It's no coincidence that we are the third planet from the sun. Just perfect for humans and creatures alike to recieve enough light. There had to be something before the "big bang" that influenced the explosion to begin with.

Fairy tales??, lol.

The big explosion did not and cannot create..., and thanks to God, I'm not racist..., so therefore I don't hate any racial groups including the jews.

And yes, I believe in Jesus.., in order to fully undertand life, it all begins with God, or you will just end up at another dead end.

[Virtual Fighter]

You humour me VF..., however with Infidels like you, I knew this topic was going to turn into a debate, absolutely!! First of all, know one is

imposing on you for not believing in God. I'm imposing on you for bringing up false accusations towards religion, such as "religion started a war", and all

that nonsense.

Really? What about the crusades? Pop Urban the 18 basically said "It's okay, go and kill, god said so, he's on our side." Yes, god, the christian god, the

one you say was never faught for in the name of religion?

What about the pakistan-india missle threat? They both have the bomb and want to use it, one side being hindu, the other bieng muslim.

What about this islam-judaism guerrila war? Oh, but those are all infidels, so they don't count.

-_-

But you must understand that God's will is greater than man's and he permits something for the "greater" good.

But what you're saying is that even if you kill, even if you rape, you'll still be better off than one who doesn't "believe" in god at all.

]God did not and is NOT responsible for these events, Humans are. Out of all creation, humans are the only ones that failed to do as God wills, by

defying themselves, committing adultry, etc..., thus enabling all these events upon themselves..., thanks to his laws, I will never posses any of those

sickness.

Pfft, you'll never posses those "sicknesses"? Bullpoop. A real christian would say "I'm not to say if i've been good of bad or if I'd ever be good or bad,

that's god's decision. I can only be the best I can."

But you take this "I pray everyday, therefore i'm holier than thou" aprouch to everything.

Let's get one thing straight. I hate religion. I think god is a good concept, but hate religion. Look at all the bad poop that has happened because of

religion. God didn't cause it, god never said "fight over me". You know who did? Religion. The religious figures.

Those which you're supposed to defend.

I understand from the science point of view, of how the world was created. But I also understand from the christian point of view of how the world was

created, but the christian way is much more accurate. That explosion did not cause, so that the earth would be filled with all these different types of

creatures.

You mean the millions of specie of bugs, the thousands of specie of fish, the mamels, the monkey family, the dogs, the billions of billions of animals living

in the world today?

Oh yeah, that's ALOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF CREATURES.

You know what else? we're not the only thing here. Although that's what religion wanted and still wants you to think in some ways. God made us in his image.

We're gods special creatures. God loves us the most.

Let me tell you something:

The number of galaxies in the observable universe is estimated to be around 100 billion (1011), I think. Each of those contains something like 100 billion

stars. Therefore, the total number of stars in the universe is around about 1022, or 10 thousand billion billion.

Stars. Like the sun, all (or most) have planets orbiting them. If each has let's say ATLEAST ONE there's still would be 10 thousand billion billion.


If religion was true, and we are alone, why did god make all those stars and all those planets? Because he could? Because he did? Or was it because there's

something more to everything?

Who's the one living in an ignorant state of being now, Mr. "We're alone. Shut up, quit thinking."

It's no coincidence that we are the third planet from the sun. Just perfect for humans and creatures alike to recieve enough light. There had to be

something before the "big bang" that influenced the explosion to begin with.

What? You're contredicting yourself.

Your religion tells you that god made the heavens, then the earth and then you, and everything in between. God made two people and a world of animals.


And that's all you need to know. It doesn't say anything about no big bang, about other stars, about other planets, or the sun. In fact, if it wasn't for

science defying religion, we'd still think we're the center of the universe and it revolves around US.

Christianity, the most narcessistic idea known to man.

The big explosion did not and cannot create...,

and thanks to God, I'm not racist..., so therefore I don't hate any racial groups including the jews.

Jew isn't a racial group (in this context), it's a religious group, a group which you think are all infidels and

And yes, I believe in Jesus.., in order to fully undertand life, it all begins with God, or you will just end up at another dead end.


So, answer my original question. Can you tell me one thing religion has done that can outwheigh the bad things? Maybe evern just one thing good it's done.

And, a second question added on top. Who created god?



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[Abdoun_bacK]

[quoteost_uid0="vx_unicom"]You humour me VF..., however with Infidels like you, I knew this topic was going to turn into a debate, absolutely!! First of all, know one is imposing on you for not believing in God. I'm imposing on you for bringing up false accusations towards religion, such as "religion started a war", and all that nonsense.

Religion did not cause a war..., and without God's laws, there wouldn't be any laws to begin with, which is indeed a good thing right?! God's intentions were good, when he created us..., to live peacefully with all the creatures of the earth, and have dominion over all things here on earth.

But you must understand that God's will is greater than man's and he permits something for the "greater" good.

Your mistaken, with regards to these particular things you mentioned:I quote...
"Because all I see religion is doing is war, pushing homophobia, pushing sexsism, banning condoms and pushing the aids virus, overpopulating the world by banning birth control, and pushing, most of all, HATE."

God did not and is NOT responsible for these events, Humans are. Out of all creation, humans are the only ones that failed to do as God wills, by defying themselves, committing adultry, etc..., thus enabling all these events upon themselves..., thanks to his laws, I will never posses any of those sickness.

I understand from the science point of view, of how the world was created. But I also understand from the christian point of view of how the world was created, but the christian way is much more accurate. That explosion did not cause, so that the earth would be filled with all these different types of creatures. It's no coincidence that we are the third planet from the sun. Just perfect for humans and creatures alike to recieve enough light. There had to be something before the "big bang" that influenced the explosion to begin with.

Fairy tales??, lol.

The big explosion did not and cannot create..., and thanks to God, I'm not racist..., so therefore I don't hate any racial groups including the jews.

And yes, I believe in Jesus.., in order to fully undertand life, it all begins with God, or you will just end up at another dead end.[/quote]
ok ok ok....i have a very simpl queation for you. Why would God create us if he knows well off what is going to happen, what will turn out with our futures. With all this havock Couldnt God do something better off than create us???..just think very deeply about this question....very deeply. And dont give me this answer "to test us"

P.S.. VF is not being arrogant..he is actually showing very strong view points and actauly has more knowledge than some religious people around here.



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[alamgir]

your religion is right and everyone else is wrong?

Isn't religion suposed to be a unifiying force, a liberation theology?

But apperantly, religion isn't doing that. It's tearing people appart. It's causing wars, it's killing people and it's ruining the world.

My question still stands: Tell me one thing religion as a whole has done to the whole world that's good.



One thing.


Did it unify the world? Unify a country? Get rid of suffering?


Oh wait- it did the exact oppsite of all of that

Tell me now is there 1 religion in the world? No. How can the world be unified under several different religions? If there was one religion that was right and I believe there is, and if everyone followed it then what do you think would have happened?

What I do agree with you on is that their is chaos happening within all religions. To be honest very few people in this world are following religions like how they were meant to be. In the Quran it says the Muslim community will split and be corrupted, as a sign of the day of judgement.

[Abdoun_bacK]

[quoteost_uid0="alamgir"]In the Quran it says the Muslim community will split and be corrupted, as a sign of the day of judgement.[/quote]
and that more earthquakes and rapings will happen, which are other signs.

yes...day of judgement. Does anyone believe in it?

[vx_unicom]

Hmm, I never said anything about "defending" religion..., I'm simply defending the fact that God exist.

@Abound...Read carefully: Before God became God..., he was known as Elohim. Meaning the Self-existent one, nothing existed but him, and in him alone, he possed these features that he wanted to be displayed.
-The nature of a Father.
-Love.
-The ability to save.
-Creator.
-The ability to heal.
-Give life.
He loved worship..., and many other abilities than he wanted displayed for Glory..., and In order for Him to display all these, there had to be something that was lost in order for him to "save". There had to be something that had to be sick in order for him to "heal"..., along with the things I mentioned. The people who have believed in Him, have experienced being healed of their sickness, not knowing Him, and then knowing him, etc.
As a Father, he had to have his own "children", thats why he created Human being and gave them dominion over all the creatures..., God's intentions were good from thr begining and will always be. Some events are caused by the Devil/Satan, and not God..., and so God permitted it.

And before he created us, since he loved worship, he had to create his own subjects that would worship him, thus making him God by creating Angels. He doesn't need humans to worship Him, Lol, he can cause the birds, trees, stars, etc..., to worship Him. He created us because he need Children, because he possed the nature of a Father.

In his own great infinite wisdom, he knew he had to save humanity from their sins, bad deeds. God is a Spirit and therefore he had to come by himself in the form of "Jesus". So he would save them. From what?! From their sins, and so people would know Him as well.
-The problem is Unbelief Not in religions but In God.

-----> I will respond to YOU VF after this post..., this is way to long. Hate long posts.



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