State of the union - And all the other speeches..

[princevegetam]

THERE IS NO "SOLID" PROOF of iraq possessing any weapon of mass destruction. empty chemical warheads are not good enough. they're empty. unless you can give me actual proof of a nuclear/bio/chemi weapon, iraq does not have weapons of mass destruction. they are innocent until proven guilty(on the issue of weapons of mass destruction).

us or them? is that how ignorant you americans are?! so it's okay for americans to live and sacrifice innocent japanese as a result? not to mention the innocent japanese americans who were locked up just for their japanese heritage. what the japanese did was wrong(obviously), but the U.S. is no better than them by killing all those innocent ppl. it could have been prevented. it didn't have to be a city full of ppl, it could've been some military base.

[Nantuko Joe]

princevegetam: There is so proof that they have weapons, or did Desert STORM and Desert STRIKE not exist in your mind? And if they don't have weapons of mass destruction, then how did they mysteriously use chemical and biological weapons to kill 1.5 MILLION of their own people. And the warheads were EMPTY, but they were EMPTIED, as in, they had previously contained chemicals. They have the weapons, we've seen them on numerous occasions, and EVERY TIME we go to investigate, Saddam kicks us out of the country. Then when he lets us back in, they're mysteriously gone. Hmm...

Yes, the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings GOULD have been prevented: if they surrendered. They didn't. We bombed them once. They STILL didn't surrender. We told them that if they didn't surrender, we'd hit them again. Guess what? They refused again. They brought the second bomb upon themselves. And as far as the japanese camps? We were at war with them. We could not take the chance that there could be sleeper agents in the US, or suicide bombers. Plus, we never harmed or killed them when they were in the camps, we just put them there to keep tabs on them.

And notice how once the Japanese surrendered, we released them.

[SSJKarma]

silent_bob: do you realize how stupid that was of you ?

CANADA = sub artic temperature. no way !
canada has 4 seasons which only winters has -40celsius as a limit, but even tho the temperature is getting to that point some times, they are very rare ! during summer season... the temperature is SURE to tget to at least 35 celsius ! now i think they can bear that temperature. were not living in artics you know.

now... why do you think we never were in any WAR ?
we don't have many armies in here and we surely would fall short against any other counrty !
that's why you, US are always being victims of the terrorism, because your country claimed to be the STRONGEST and you're always TRYING TO KEEP OTHER COUNTRY from terrorism, if you could just know when to not interfere you wouldn't get TERRORISM as you got during 9/11 !

that is my whole point !
don't believe me, then why aren't we having BIG terrorism ACTS in here ?
while you get a lot of them !
because your country in history has always tryed to stop everything from happening even if it was in other countrys thats why your being HATED so much by terrorists. now you pay the price for doing the police in country that isn't yours !

as for JAPANESE people being bombed...
nantuko...
history showed us that PEARL HARBOR was a big hit, by so little troops !
japan never had any chance in the beggining, but because they were going KAMIKAZE you bombed a city with a NUKE ! you could have avoided that with a lot more then you had... all country had finished WWII when you bombed the japanese in 45 when the WWII finished in 44, you know that, i know that, its a fact, so why didn't you ask the helps of another country and planned a major attack that could have prevented them from having that much cassulaties !

and don't tell me the CRAP of the war ending in 45, no, HITLER SURRENDERED in JULY 1944 !
you bombed the JAPANES to stop them from doing anything, and MASS DESTRUCTION was worst things your country have done in history cause it showed how RUTHLESS you are and how careless you are about OTHERS live !

[Nantuko Joe]

World War II in GERMANY ended in '94. That doesn't mean that the war in the Pacific was over.

Besides, the US deserved retribution for the unprovoked attacks upon Pearl Harbor. And we estimated that a full-scale land invasion of Japan would have cost millions of lives on both sides. Besides, they had FAIR WARNING of what the actions would be if they did not surrender, yet they were too stubborn. Even after the FIRST bomb, they were STILL given a chance to surrender, and if they did not, they'd be hit. So what did they do? They thought we were bluffing. Their BIG mistake.

[princevegetam]

what a load of bullpoop. yes, it was stupid of the japanese government to not surrender, but what did you expect?! they'd conquered most of asia at that time and they were confident that america was going to be no problem. how could they have known that the U.S. had an atomic bomb?! in those days, 90% of the world didn't even know what a nuclear weapon could do, of course they're going to call the bluff. it'd be like iraq threatening to destroy the entire U.S. with some sort of new technology, would the U.S. surrender? #### no. and it was the japanese government who decided to not surrender, not all of the japanese ppl agreed with that. there were innocent japanese ppl who wished to surrender that died as a result of the irresponsible actions by the U.S.

you may have not harmed the jailed japanese, but what you did was an act of discrimination and racism. they were prejudiced against in the jails and you flipin know it. even the U.S. has admitted what they did was wrong so there is no argument here, what the U.S. did to it's own citizens with japanese heritage was WRONG.

and that crap about the iraqis being killed by their own leader's bio/chemi weapons is a unconfirmed. unless you can show me some solid proof from a media source that is not of american nature, it is unsubstantial evidence. and assuming that the empty chemical warheads had chemical weapons is not good enough. it is an assumption which could be wrong. stop coming up with a poopload of theories, give me some real proof.

[Venture]

??? bah...i hate to post in topics of politics..after that huge one at the old bg.....but i dont support war, all i wish ...that Saddam Hussain (not sure if spelled it right) should be overthrown... :angry:

[Selvin]

Just wondering, the threats are coming out of Iraq along the lines of:

"If you attack/invade Iraq, we will destroy/break the neck of America."

Now, if Iraq has no weapons of mass destruction, how would they do this?? They would need a huge army to do so, and even though, it would be near impossible to destroy a country as big as America with an army now-a-days.

I do believe Iraq and the weapon inspectors should be given more time (like 3 weeks), but I do disagree with some of the posts against America.

If America was doing this for world domination or something along those lines, I think it would be smarter to go after some first world countries instead of a third world country.

[SiLent_BoB]

ssj karma i don't live in canada but i know it does get cold. plus iraq could never take canada because the u.s. has several missle detection bases and nuclear weapon sites(from the cold war) . as for the fact of canada not haveing an army well thats canada's problem not mine.

The fact is in WWII our allies were devastated by the loses in europe and we couldn't afford a mass invasion. Russia turned their back on us and declared themselves communist. Britain was trashed and needed to rebuild their country. France was just complety in chaos.those are facts, we could'nt take anymore casulaties. Japan still wanted to destroy us, we had no choice but to drop the bomb.It was there own irrisponsble leader/dictator's fault who did'nt allow japan to surrender! YOU CALL US RUTHLESS! WHAT ABOUT THE JAPENESE INVASION OF CHINA HOW MANY INNOCENT LIVES DID THEY TAKE! THINK ABOUT PEARL HARBOR! WE WERE GIVEN NO GOD DAMN WARNING! IM SO ANGRY AT THESE IGNORNAT JAPANESE INTHUSASTS WHO THINK THE USA SHOULDVE MADE A SOME DAMN PEACE TREATY OR SOMETHING.... Look if you don't like the way our country is then how about going to iraq or something and see how you like being in oppresion. FREEDOM is a cherished right and we have to protect it!

p.s. before you open your mouth about world war 2 think about this were you there! if you were(highly doubtfull) how did you feel about the attacks and war. well i know for a fact my late grandfather served his country and my step grandfather fought in the pacific(my stepfather's father) so don't tell me im full of "bullpoop"

[princevegetam]

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okay, SSJKarma doesn't know how to use words well. ruthless is a bit harsh, ignorant, nationalist and misinformed is more like it.

anyways, why are you comparing yourselves to Japan? they killed what? 10 million chinese? how many japanese did you kill with atomic bomb? 3 or 4 million? a difference of 6 million ppl. does that make you proud? and how many did the japanese kill at pearl harbour? they were mostly soldiers weren't they? it's called a surprise attack, you don't seriously expect them to warn you considering their ruthlessness.

[SSJKarma]

SILENT_BOB: we all know our history, but we also know that the truth of a war never comes out to the public ! now think, if they had found something in those bombs, would have said it to the public and let the public be in total chaos cause of the PANIC it would cause ?

NOOOO !
the government has always keep the whole things from the public, even what they did themselves !
so no, your necessary more informed then me about the whole things !
unless you have PROOF, very REAL PROOFs that he has what it takes to clear the US from the map, i will still consider this war a total mistake !

now, WHY would they have treatened us if they didn't had the weapons, because now that you know they can have the weapons, now US is on alert and it is always easier if your country does mistake on PRESSURE !

so yeah, they could simply BLUFF while planning a sneak attack like JAPANESE did on PEARL HARBOR !
the japanese didn't have the army either and they didn't have any MASS DESTRUCTION WEAPON when they attacked the WORLD MOST STRONGEST FORCE (Pearl harbor) but still, they suceeded in bringing down the US biggest army ! so why would they need a very big army ? its always like that ! take out the leader (president) and the country will surrender !

in all wars it has been like that !
WWII = war ended when hitler felled, his armies didn't continued to attack, they stopped the same day
JAPANESE = after hiroshima, they stopped their attacks, soldiers that were not in HIROSHIMA didn't continued to attack either !

public is always accepting the new leader whoever he is !
that's a fact !

now, they can be bluffing, they can be SERIOUS, but since we don't know US has no chance but to take a guess, and the guess they take is not the best choice ! that's a fact too !

i'm with VEGETAM here ! when you'll have REAL PROOF not just guesses, you can count me on a war, but unless you can actually give PROOFS then i am enterely against the idea of a war !