The nintendo ds vs. sony's psp - Objective arguments only

[Royal_Flush]

OMG THE flipING STYLUS IS JUST A FLATSCREEN PORTABLE COMPUTER MOUSE!

[Virtual Fighter]

[quoteost_uid0="Shingko"]and virtual fighter, i hope that you intensionily made that comic incorrect, cause it is wrong.[/quote]
Obvious-fliping-ly.

It's a little thing called commedy.

[Shingko]

ok ok no need for hating in this forum...we leave that in SFO

[Dan Hibiki]

[quoteost_uid0="Shingko"]and Dan Hibiki, who said it has 3 hours of battery it was 6 hours and 41 mins[/quote]
I have read from MULTIPLE sources that games that are intensive on reading the disc, and movies only last about 3 hours.

[SSJKarma]

True, the PSP runs a normal lithium battery which is small and gives you only around 6 hours of normal things but only 3 hours on a big games ! the DS can go all the way to the 18 hours mark !

ALAMGIR, all you do is base yourself on stats given by users and their opinions, while we only brought fact given by the manufacturers themselves !
the scores that you mention that are all above 8 !
well tell yourself that MGS2 was like 10/10 for like 1 months, until blam it suddently goes off to a mere 7/10 !

give em times and i'm sure you game reviewed above 8 will eventually go down under 7 !
basically alamgir, your 100% emotionnal here, there is no debate for you its all the "PSP is BETTER final point whatever you do it will never change my view on it" type of speech !

to the other guy... actually i never ditched DARKSTALKERS for its one of my better games !
for me the DARKSTALKER : CHRONICLES on DREAMCAST is the best port ever ! as for BEAT EM UPS, well you guys should look more into it and see that for the past 4 years BEAT EM UPS have simply stopped existing ! so i didn't expected either of the handhelds to have any anyway !

as i mentionned... gameplay is the key in a game, people don't care much for the graphics even the small kids don't look at it ! they see the graphics tell's themselves its cool, play it and since only the graphics are cool and that the game doesn't offer good gameplay, they waste it or sell it back for another game !

again graphics only give you so few things in itself...
example... METROID ont he old nes... it wasn't graphicals yet it made it into the best game ever created for what ? its gameplay, an innovative gameplay ! the world ask for innovation which up to now, handheld wise, the DS has innovated by giving something all the other consoles never given ! a second screen and a stylus that can be used a pointing device which in my view is way better then an analog stick !

maybe the PSP has more features, but look at it the right side... its a very expansive handheld !
you gotta pay for internet, you gotta pay for the game, you gotta pay for the USB cables, you gotta pay for the new USB things, you gotta pay for each games, you gotta pay a lot for each features ! i wouldn't even be surprise if you ever gotta pay to update your PSP ! everything sony made was for the sole purpose of making money and the best way to make money is to give the users a lot of things to do with their consoles including making you pay for each separate features they will add later on !

in the nutshell... the DS will have costed me only a poor 300$ while your PSP with all will have costed 5 times that number ! i say its pretty better to buy a less potent handheld which will give you enough money to have a lot more games for it !

The rest explains itself, the games aren't what makes the consoles, the graphics aren't it either... the gameplay is, the fun factor is. innovation is the key to sucess in our world. the DS gives all of this while the PSP only gives us features you already have seen ont he computers and to that point i rather buy a PORTABLE MINI-COMPUTER that will do even more then the PSP for even less money !

conclusion, the PSP is just a market toy for you to spend all your money only trying to follow its lead which leads to nowhere !

maybe the PSP is better graphically, and maybe it sa way to actually acknoledge the fact it costes more... but fact remains there... if you pay for things you already have, then you paid for nothing !

BTW, i like how everytimes i speak you just ignore my post cause i am right and you know it !

[alamgir]

I've already posted review scores VF. 10 PSP games got 8 or more out of 10 while only 1 got the same for DS.

Karma, i'm sure you know that everything the handhelds can do, something else we already own can do. But still people buy a DS/PSP.

Although you might say the psp expensive. It is a console that will go far into the future. Prices are set to be lowered in summer and more good games are coming out. It''ll have updates directly from the web. Who said you need high speed internet, the internet any of us are using will do.
No one is asking you to buy any USB "things", you'll only connect to them if you have them.

Because it's something that comes along naturally with time and advances in graphics modeling? But to judge a game or system soley by it's graphics, that's

retarded. That's like judging how good a book is by the font they use.

If Nintendo wanted to use 3d graphics they should have made them as good as the competition. Most of the 3d graphics in DS games look terrible. If graphics weren't an issue then why were Nintendo advertising about how they're console can play N64 graphics? If you can't make the 3d graphics look good or as good as the competition then why bother?

And its not like i'm solely judging the systems on graphics, i'm judging them by their games too as I believe they are the most important thing. You wanted proof of those review scores, go and check how well your great DS games are doing here. Oh yeah, funnny how the only good game on DS is a port of an old game...

Games?

Let me tell you something about the games. They suck. They pop out, they scratch, and they skip. None of Nintendo's cartrages do that. Disks scratch. That's

the way of life. For the PSP to do such a thing with a PORTABLE device, where scratches and falls and breaks are abundant is foolish and overamibious.

Does the nintendo cartages do this?

http://nfg.2y.net/games/PSP/psp_flying.swf

Where do the get scratced? Right fliping here:

I would agree with you there if I had the problem. But I don't, I don't know why it happens to others but never has anything happened like that to my PSP. The DS is flawless? I don't think so...

"The Nintendo DS is not without its problems, including some difficulty simultaneously seeing both screens clearly due to parallax -- the shifting of the view when seen from different angles -- depending on which screen you are looking at in a given moment. If looking at the top screen, the bottom screen will seem to dim in comparison, and vice versa.

The stylus is far too small, especially for adults with large hands. Stubby pencils that are distributed to fill out forms at government offices are larger, thicker, and therefore much more manageable and easier to use.

The keys on the virtual keyboard are too small and require a high degree of accuracy when typing a message. A longer stylus would mitigate this problem.

The Nintendo DS locked up completely about a minute into the PictoChat session. It gave no indication of the problem. The only method of unfreezing and recovering from the system error was to shut down and reboot the machine.

In the span of an hour, three of the six Nintendo DS units froze in a similar manner while running three different applications, which suggests a firmware or hardware problem. Keep in mind that these were late pre-production models. If it is a firmware issue a software update should be able to fix the problem. If there is something wrong with the hardware, that is much more serious.

Finally, an ergonomic issue arises when playing games in stylus/touchscreen mode. The weight of the unit has to be supported by one hand, which leads to a sore hand after extended use. Nintendo says it will resolve the problem with a stylus that you can strap to your thumb, giving players the ability to use the stylus while holding the Nintendo DS with both hands."

Wonder if? Wonder if? Let's look at the fliping facts:

DS doesn't have any of this over priced, expencive, slapped on bullpoop hardware that just trys to destract your mind from their bullpoop games.

It doesn't have playlists.
It only plays from alphebetical order.
It's hard to reach such a state.


I'd rather cut the bullpoop and just buy an ipod.

Distract your mind from gaming? Lol/ I don't care about playlists, heck if i'm listening to a song i'm ok with that. Man you people are so lazy, all you have to do is select a song or even leave it at random, surely you won't mind that if you put the songs you like on the PSP.

others need some chords or huge machine connected to them to work

I take it that you all have a PC, and a USB link cable, maybe some songs too. All you have to do is connect with the USB link and upload the songs. Its not hard and it won't make you bankrupt. That's like saying you can't even be asked to put the DS's charger on, or even get the stylus out of the back.

Who gives a flip about your oppinion? Anyone who says the games of now are better than the games of old ARN'T REAL GAMERS.

Who gives a flip about your opinion? If you loved your old games so much go and stick with your snes or whatever you had.

So? The human eve can only distinguish 32 bit color, which is 260,000 colors. Anything else is just fliping bullpoop..

And the human eye can see the difference between high and low resolution and the colours do show a big difference.

A game list which 1) Most of them arn't out yet. 2) Most of them have problems. 3) They have gotten bad ratigns because of their cheap, rushed designs and gameplay

The current games list of PSP is much better than the DS as review scores prove. IF anything the DS games were rushed, because most of them are rubbish.

[~Mastermax~]

I've already posted review scores VF. 10 PSP games got 8 or more out of 10 while only 1 got the same for DS

game scores are just opinions from a single person, or a group of people. certain sources are payed by large game companies such as EA or sony. that's porbably one of those sources...

Karma, i'm sure you know that everything the handhelds can do, something else we already own can do. But still people buy a DS/PSP.

what other game console and play on two screen one of which can be touched? the psp is a port of ps2, while the DS would be a computor with two moniters, one of which stolen from a hotel that you can touch. but there are no games for my old two moniter peice of crap computor with o software that has no software for the touch screen to work.

Although you might say the psp expensive. It is a console that will go far into the future. Prices are set to be lowered in summer and more good games are coming out. It''ll have updates directly from the web. Who said you need high speed internet, the internet any of us are using will do.
No one is asking you to buy any USB "things", you'll only connect to them if you have them.

how is the psp puching use ahead? as i said before the future will be for interactivity, not graphics. a psp is like what cell phones are. cell phones have not really progressed at all, they have just gotten smaller with more gimmicks thrown in. is that not what a psp is. a portable phone that has gimmicks sounds a lot like a portable playstation with useless gimmicks thrown in.

If Nintendo wanted to use 3d graphics they should have made them as good as the competition. Most of the 3d graphics in DS games look terrible. If graphics weren't an issue then why were Nintendo advertising about how they're console can play N64 graphics? If you can't make the 3d graphics look good or as good as the competition then why bother?

nintendo understands that graphics aren't everything. the DS would be incredibly expensive if it was two 128 screens, and because the screens can't be that big, 128 and 32 don't look that different at that size. the DS was designed before the psp, but they heard that sony wanted to design their own portable gaming system, so they didn't reveal it til the psp's design was set in stone. that way the DS is ahead of the psp and the psp can' be changed. sony realized their system would be blown out of the water so they added on the gimmicks to attract more of an audience. that's why the psp doesn't seem to be designed the best for all the stupid functions it has.

"The Nintendo DS is not without its problems, including some difficulty simultaneously seeing both screens clearly due to parallax -- the shifting of the view when seen from different angles -- depending on which screen you are looking at in a given moment. If looking at the top screen, the bottom screen will seem to dim in comparison, and vice versa.

why would you want to look at both screen simultaniously, i've never had a problem with it at all, if i'm in a position where boths screens can't be seen clearly, i just push the top screen further back, which it was made to do in such a case.

The stylus is far too small, especially for adults with large hands. Stubby pencils that are distributed to fill out forms at government offices are larger, thicker, and therefore much more manageable and easier to use.

i have big hands, i mean huge, being 6'3" comes with them. I never have had problems with the stylus. if i ever do i can use the attachment for my thumb that comes with the system and use my thumb.

The keys on the virtual keyboard are too small and require a high degree of accuracy when typing a message. A longer stylus would mitigate this problem.

never had that problem either

The Nintendo DS locked up completely about a minute into the PictoChat session. It gave no indication of the problem. The only method of unfreezing and recovering from the system error was to shut down and reboot the machine.

the only problem that pictochat that i have seen is it exits the chat room if yoiu flip the screen down, making it so you disappear from chat. it's supposed to help you, but in certain situations (such as a teacher walking by) it can be annoying.

In the span of an hour, three of the six Nintendo DS units froze in a similar manner while running three different applications, which suggests a firmware or hardware problem. Keep in mind that these were late pre-production models. If it is a firmware issue a software update should be able to fix the problem. If there is something wrong with the hardware, that is much more serious.

and they fixed that problem obviously if it was in preproduction, nintendo has never made a system with a problem such as that. if there was one, then nintendo would wait to release it. microsoft and sony however, didn't fix any problems until half a year later.

Finally, an ergonomic issue arises when playing games in stylus/touchscreen mode. The weight of the unit has to be supported by one hand, which leads to a sore hand after extended use. Nintendo says it will resolve the problem with a stylus that you can strap to your thumb, giving players the ability to use the stylus while holding the Nintendo DS with both hands."

that's why god gave use knees and tables...

Distract your mind from gaming? Lol/ I don't care about playlists, heck if i'm listening to a song i'm ok with that. Man you people are so lazy, all you have to do is select a song or even leave it at random, surely you won't mind that if you put the songs you like on the PSP.

you have been giving all of these explanations to fix a problem, when the problem shouldn't exist in the first place...

I take it that you all have a PC, and a USB link cable, maybe some songs too. All you have to do is connect with the USB link and upload the songs. Its not hard and it won't make you bankrupt. That's like saying you can't even be asked to put the DS's charger on, or even get the stylus out of the back.

difference between pulling the stylus out of the back of a DS and playing music on a psp.
1.reach around and grope for stylus
2. place fingers on stylus in a way to grip it
3. pull
4 awe and marve| at the ease of it.

1. buy computor
2 get music, there are no legal ways to get them for free so have fun with this step(now would be a good time to realize you can throw your psp out and play better games on your computor for free, such as enemy territory)
3. buy usb cable
4. buy 100 dollar memory stick
5. create folder on memory stick for music
6. make a simular folder on psp
7. transfer music to psp from computor
8. step back there might be flying shrapnel from such a strain on the psp
9. copy music from psp to stick
10. play music from stick using only alphabetical order.

Who gives a flip about your opinion? If you loved your old games so much go and stick with your snes or whatever you had

that is not opinion, anyone who really is a gamer knows that. somebody before said that the DS is for real gamers, while the psp is for "omg i'm a gamer becuase i watch mtv and that's a fad now, and video mods is a good show and not owned by microsoft. i see you as one of those people too. i mean dante is now sony's little bitch who they put in games he shouldn't even be in. and we all know only the first dmc was good.

And the human eye can see the difference between high and low resolution and the colours do show a big difference.

ummm no it's doesn't. why don't you see for yourself, the human eye can barely see a difference between 16 and 32, so change your computor settings between the two and try to see difference.

The current games list of PSP is much better than the DS as review scores prove. IF anything the DS games were rushed, because most of them are rubbish.

now what game that is on the psp right now, is better than wario ware touched, or feel the magic? metal gear acid? hell no, the psp is relying only on gimmicks and you know it.


*note* bitching comic vf...



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[alamgir]

Funny how you nintendo fans are blindly ignoring review scores which show how the PSP games are better than the DS games.

what other game console and play on two screen one of which can be touched? the psp is a port of ps2, while the DS would be a computor with two moniters, one of which stolen from a hotel that you can touch. but there are no games for my old two moniter peice of crap computor with o software that has no software for the touch screen to work.

You say the psp has too many extra features. Look whose combining things now. With two screens you say you don't need to look at both simultaneously, then what is the point in having 2 screens if your not gonna look at both or not gonna have both running at the same time? You add something pointless and call it innovation. As for the touch screen, its been done before on my PDA, and yet you call the PSP a mini computer.

Erm you have to know I was being slightly sarcastic about pulling out the stylus thing. And buy 100 dollar memory stick? You get one free with your psp? Buy a pc? What are you using to talk here now?

You say interactivity is the future, my point exactly. With a psp you can interact with several devices, with a ds you can interact with nothing else other than other hand helds.

ummm no it's doesn't. why don't you see for yourself, the human eye can barely see a difference between 16 and 32, so change your computor settings between the two and try to see difference

Yes it does actually, why is there such a graphical difference between the systems? Because of the colour displays. Why do PSP games look more detailed and more 3d than those on DS, because of the different tones and shades of different colours

that is not opinion, anyone who really is a gamer knows that. somebody before said that the DS is for real gamers, while the psp is for "omg i'm a gamer becuase i watch mtv and that's a fad now, and video mods is a good show and not owned by microsoft. i see you as one of those people too. i mean dante is now sony's little bitch who they put in games he shouldn't even be in. and we all know only the first dmc was good.

Somebody said huh? Somebody said the Ds sucked, somebody said it couldn't compare to the PSP. This is your opinion man, what makes a true gamer is opinion. Dante's sony's bitch? Hello Mario and Link for nintendo. They're freaking everywhere.

that's why god gave use knees and tables...

Yeah I suppose god gave you a table to put your portable console on when your in a train/plane/park so you can rest your arm while you use the stylus.

You nintendo fans are all the same, your stuck in the past and you just won't let go. Anyway i'm kind of bored of wasting time on such a topic, its clear none of us give a poop about what the other says so I don't think there's much point in arguing for nothing.

[~Mastermax~]

Funny how you nintendo fans are blindly ignoring review scores which show how the PSP games are better than the DS games.

funny how you blindly ignored my lst post, about how they are just someone's opinion's bribed by major gaming companies. all of my agruements are from facts about the systems, yours are opinions from yourself and reviewers.

You say the psp has too many extra features. Look whose combining things now. With two screens you say you don't need to look at both simultaneously, then what is the point in having 2 screens if your not gonna look at both or not gonna have both running at the same time? You add something pointless and call it innovation. As for the touch screen, its been done before on my PDA, and yet you call the PSP a mini computer.

what game have you played where you have to look at two things simultaniously? you don't look at both screens at once, you look back and forth between them. and what pda has two screens? a DS is better than a pda which is good if it is based off of one, but a psp is no where near better than a computor that costs half as much as a psp.

Erm you have to know I was being slightly sarcastic about pulling out the stylus thing. And buy 100 dollar memory stick? You get one free with your psp? Buy a pc? What are you using to talk here now?

you realize i was being sarcastic about buying a computor, but it still relies on one. yes most people have one, but what if you didn't then what?

You say interactivity is the future, my point exactly. With a psp you can interact with several devices, with a ds you can interact with nothing else other than other hand helds.

it's not interactivity with other machines, it's interactivity with yourself. and the psp is only interactive with a computor, my old gbc interacted with more machines than your psp. with 007 i could flip with a lot of tvs and stereos and other infared devices...

Yes it does actually, why is there such a graphical difference between the systems? Because of the colour displays. Why do PSP games look more detailed and more 3d than those on DS, because of the different tones and shades of different colours

ok you aren't listening to me, minimize this window, and right click on your desktop and click properties, then click settings and change the display list back and forth between 16 and 32, and you won't see any difference. the psp looks more detailed becuase it has more polygons, that's not colors it's polygons.

Somebody said huh? Somebody said the Ds sucked, somebody said it couldn't compare to the PSP. This is your opinion man, what makes a true gamer is opinion. Dante's sony's bitch? Hello Mario and Link for nintendo. They're freaking everywhere.

you forgot that link and mario are in good games, while dante's only put in games to butcher them. the first one he guest stared in was a port of a game from the gamecube. they took out one of the better charectors and replaced him with dante and thus the story was really fliped upl, not to mention the graphics were toned down becuase it was originally designed for gamecube.

[alamgir]

The PSP can interact with any usb and wifi devices of which there are many.

Its not about the polygons, its about the different shades of colour you have on the screen's pixels which shows a difference. Obviously the difference between 16 and 32 is going to be smaller than the difference between 100's of thousands and millions.

all of my agruements are from facts about the systems, yours are opinions from yourself and reviewers.

Funny, I recall you being the one thinking of wario and feel the magic being flawless.

What game was Dante in that your talking about?