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Well, when I was younger, I was pretty religous kid, always listend to my parents and was afraid of God if i did a sin. But as I soon grew older, my religous faith started to fade because i came to ask my self, why would God let us have soo much hate between religions (NOT EVERYONE). Shouldnt there be one religion than many different kinds??? Why did this world become soo corrupt, Wars and Crimes. You have SOME priests molesting children, SOME Muslims (for which I am) blowing them selves up stating it is a holy war, pratically trying to ruin once a very pure religion in my heart still is. I Came to believe that the best faith for anyone, is just to use your Heart and Mind, because those are the two keys of Ethics in your life. You do what you think is right realizing the casue and affect of your action. Well my main question is...Do you believe this world will be better off with or without religion. I first said with out, but then i thought a little deepers, for some people it gave us moral standards, such as drinking, sexual tolerances, respect for one self and others, basically, self Discipline. But then, it did erupt some wars and enemies and hate. So what do you guys think?
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my father told me dont beleive anything that cant be proven.
its funny how ALL of the events that lead to religions took place when theres no way of recording it...physically anyway. i dont take nobodies word for it. i aint got time to repent my sins coz id be doing it forever an im a busy drug dealer. |
I think this world is better with religion. I can't imagine a world without it. If I could imagine it, the world would probably even worse than how it is today.
I do believe in god, bur I'm not the type of person to go to church and pray all the time. Although I'm a Christian, I do my best to follow the 10 commandments such as No lieing, stealing, so on and so on. In my opinion, I'm not really the religous type because I don't even do half of what most christians do. Edited By Master_Jay on 1120250065 |
im not a religious person at all. I believe in god and everything, but i don't go to church, never really read the bible, and just dont follow religion.
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I believe the Bible
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Over time I became aware of the different conflicts religious belief and worship has caused. And if you look at each religion in it's own way, they're all different and unique in their own right, yet we're supposed to follow one and believe that one is right?
I choose to avoid religions all together, because it's much less conflict and trouble to believe what you want, instead of what a "holy scripture" wants you to. |
Someone tell me one good thing religion has done. Has it ever stopped a war? (oh on the contrary, it's started like a hundred wars) Has it ever cured a disease? (oh, on the contrary, the catholic church's ban on condoms has led to the aids virus spreading) Has it ever liberated a group of people? (More like oppressed groups like gays, women and people from other races)
Yes, religion is the best thing ever. |
[quote:post_uid0="machine1"]im not a religious person at all. I believe in god and everything, but i don't go to church, never really read the bible, and just dont follow religion.[/quote]
Same for me but I read the bible in my spare time. |
[quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]Someone tell me one good thing religion has done.[/quote]
entertainment for the masses. |
[quote:post_uid0="kester-"][quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]Someone tell me one good thing religion has done.[/quote]
entertainment for the masses.[/quote] I went selling candy for charity for the homeless and voluntered at the homless shalter. |
Entertainment for the masses? Like what, when they burn "witches" or kill "pagans"?
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but for some reason..i do believe there is something spiritual out there...does anyone agree?
VF: when you said "name something good religion has done" even though iam asking aboutt he majority, religion did change people individually. Some for better or for worse, i think in every relgion there is self descipline or teaches it. For example Buddhism/Hinduism - Fasting Christianity - Lent Islam - Also Fasting, and No Drinking Judaism - No Milk w Meat.. even though this may seem weird to others... personally it gives that individual some kind of self discipline. There is a very intersting quote i remembered, it goes, There are two people in this world, A person with religion but no mind, and a person with mind but no religion. Do you guys think we need both to balance our lives out. Edited By Abdoun_bacK on 1120274736 |
[quote:post_uid0="Abdoun_bacK"]Christianity - Lent[/quote]
you mean, roman catholosism? let me answer that: yes! |
[quote:post_uid0="Abdoun_bacK"]but for some reason..i do believe there is something spiritual out there...does anyone agree?
VF: when you said "name something good religion has done" even though iam asking aboutt he majority, religion did change people individually. Some for better or for worse, i think in every relgion there is self descipline or teaches it. For example Buddhism/Hinduism - Fasting Christianity - Lent Islam - Also Fasting, and No Drinking Judaism - No Milk w Meat.. even though this may seem weird to others... personally it gives that individual some kind of self discipline. There is a very intersting quote i remembered, it goes, There are two people in this world, A person with religion but no mind, and a person with mind but no religion. Do you guys think we need both to balance our lives out.[/quote] All of those examples are what they DON'T do. As in they don't eat from time to time. I'm saying what has religion does as a whole that has benefited the world, that out wheighs the bad. Because all that bad poop that religion has done doesn't balance out a few people not eating. |
again and again, i should say that religion topics have tended to always turned to flame for too many people takes thigns too seriously around here... so why not try to keep it down a bit ?
for its simple... he never made anything to make me believe in a greater being... thus why would i believe in him ? at the worst when i'll die if he does exists i will tell him i'm sorry for not believing and ask for his forgivness and for what everythings says in all religion... he will simply forgive me and accept me anyway. for my part religion was made by humans for they needed to believe in something. just like we do today. believes is what makes us go forward in life. without em we would run in circle for the rest of our lives ! but what can we truly say about a world where humans have created everything. i mean its us human who said 2+2=4 its no convention... for me it can also be 22 but everyone tells me i am crazy everytimes i say that to them. thus it prooves people minds are stuck and widely not openned like they were supposed to. that is due to the fact that they need to think they knows everything and they need it to be rational and understandable. for if they can't understand it, then they simply start acting crazy and mad ! that's the only thing i am sure of ! |
well in theory religion only exists to create fear and disipline of a higher power, and thus creating sanity by limiting the mind.
religion creates values and the entire law system was created from religion. however many people take religion too far and oppress and kill other groups. it's just like the 13 apostle said in dogma, it's better to have a good idea, than to have a belief. meaning religion shouldn't be taken seriously, becuase it then hurts more than it helps. but without it where would we be? humanity completely revolves around religion, every war came from religion, every government came from religion. we all came from religion. |
My personal oPinion, I think religions are bad, mainly because of what Abdoun said, but.. I guess it gives tha PeoPle a hoPe.
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believe in a higher being because without one...the world doesn't really make sense...well, at least to me it doesn't. My mom is a Roman Catholic and my dad is an atheist. So I've been pretty confused throughout life...but let me tell you something.
Religion has it's flaws but it also has the good things about it. It teaches people discipline like Abdoun earlier had said and gives hope as asshole said. Religion at least Roman Catholicism does not say kill all the Muslims and anyone who is different. Individuals say things like that and people begin to get confused as to what is real and what is not...and to make what they're doing seem good they say I'm doing this for my religion when we know most religions don't say go kill anything that is different from you. They say this so they feel better about what they are doing. Let's not get religion confused with the individual that preaches it. Religion has done a lot of things that is good. Like I said earlier in this post it gives people discipline. It teaches you to give back to the community. Many people donated to the tsunami disaster because of church. My mom's church gave the money that they were going to use for the church to the tsunami disaster. Any many people sustain from doing some bad things because of what their religion teaches them. Some is better then none. |
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If anything, with religion the world makes even LESS sense. "How does sun come out and go back in?" Religion - "It just does, okay" None-Religion - "It's the gravitational pull that causes the world to go around the sun, so it's the world that's spinning and not the sun" Quote:
It's not "hopefully i'll get into heaven for being good," it's "I better be good or else i'll go to hell." The entire concept of heaven and hell is based on FEAR. Quote:
There was no god involved. Quote:
And that slaves are okay, that if somone kills your daughter, you're allowed to kill theres. Don't forget to control your women and hate gays! Yes, these values are keeping our society together. Quote:
This is flaming: # Informal. An insulting criticism or remark meant to incite anger, as on a computer network. What has done that here? NOTHING. So please, shut up with your "talking abotu stuff creates flames! Don't think!" attitude. I'm tired of seeing every single good topic go to hell because you close them prematurally, sighting your faulty "Thinking creates flaming" rules. Quote:
The only way you can do some bullpoop like that is if you can prove it. Can't prove 2+2=22? Then shut up. || + || = |||||||||||||||||||||| |
What I meant VF was the big bang theory and how the earth came to be...according to the big bang theory there was a big empty space then all of a sudden there was a planet and it blew up and formed all the planets...uh where did this "planet" come from....
Fear keeps us from doing things we shouldn't do. And keeps us doing the things we should. Whoever said fear was a bad thing. Fear is only bad when it keeps you doing something you should. Fear of going to hell makes people donate. Hope for having something good happen to them makes them want to help someone...tsunami aid.... This whole world is based on fear not only religion. Some people don't speed for fear of an accident or ticket. Um, question...what modern religion says "Don't forget to control your women and hate gays!" VF, calling Karma stupid for thinking 2+2 = 22 was truly uncalled for. When he sees it he takes the two numbers and puts them besides each other. Like 1+3 = 13. It really how you look at it...he has a different view on something...so quit telling him...and others...to shut up. And about this comment.... Quote:
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I believe that religion is just a synonym for way of life.
so whether you like it or not you have a religion. for example: one can say, "I dont believe in supreme beings" his religion/way of life is that of doing anything he pleases because hes just some organism stuck on some planet for 80 years, then his meaningless life ends. |
I don't think there is a solution or some sort of a decisive decision, whether or not Religion is good or bad, seeing how this topic is all about opinions, thus resulting in conflicts and arguements.
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ive noticed..that we live in a very satrical world...we have seperation of church and state but yet we have "In God We Trust" on our currency, or "One Nation Under God" for our pledge, and the Ten Commandments in the Supreme Court of Texas. Or how we have Homosexuals who want to gain authroity in the Church. Or how we have Muslims declaring "jihad" on innocent beings when it says in Quran not to harm the harmless/innocent. I really dont think you should have a strong hatred toward religion..i Dunno if VF hates religion but maybe despises it a little. Some people in the world, thier lively conduct is revovled by their religion. My relatives back home, they have soo much love for me and my family, because they learned how to respect and accept other beliefs and ideas, they dont have to believe in it but accept it, because they learned from thier religion self respect as in any other religion. Or how about Buddhism for example, a very peaceful religion..well i may not say religion because Buddhism stresses on experience, and experience is something that can never be taught. And people differents views of the 8 fold path (right actions, right words, right thoughts, right mindfullness.....) lead them to different solutions. Well back to the subject, Buddhists, MOST are very very peaceful people. They stress on right conduct of life to search the meaning of life and self. What iam trying to say is that, Religion is the foundation for some peoples lives and it does lead them to the right actions.
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nothing comes down from religion...
as i said before... religion is barely something the people created for they needed to believe in a higher power because ofthe fact that the world was non-sens, and like many said religion didn't help it like people wanted it. it actually worsened the thing ! examples... hitler and his thing agianst that people during WWII, he thought god had created the nazi to be better then the others thus he created a war on GOD'S BEHALF ! those supposed HOLY WAR too were bullpoop yet they hapenning on GOD'S BEHALF ! many wars hapenned on GOD'S BEHALF and seriouslky i don't think it was meant to be that sadistick ! see, without religion, mabybe thing would have been far less then what we experienced int he last 2000 years of existence ! so basically god and all religion are nothing more thne human trying to acknoledge their lives because they can't believe they just happen to be there living, they needed a reason to exists and to acknoledge that reason they created the religion a common belief that many people could share so they could think their lives means something ! for me its as simple as that ! VF, talk about religion like you do to SBYRD5 and BLANKA09 and see what i meant by they take it too seriously, i can't stress more the fact that over here at this forum... more then 10 active members think god is the ultimate being and that those who believe otherwise are nothing more then lost people ! |
Hitler was an athiest. -_-'
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Yeah, that's what I thought.
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Relgion is a way of connecting to the other side.
Like me, im Lutherian (95 thesus ring a bell?) and I have different belifes from many of the ppl I work with. (incase your woundering where I work at, I work at Capcom, Japan) most of the time religion gets invalved in Japan. I wish that I didnt live in Japan as a christian but yet I have to live with that. Right now the thing is that no matter what religion we are all people and thats that |
well everyone in this world has a beliefe..regardless if it is connected to God or Not. Ive seen and know people who dont have a relgious background have better conduct than people who are religous..and vice versa. when it comes down to it..it always what you do with your heart and mind
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[quote:post_uid0="goldzero10"]Relgion is a way of connecting to the other side.
Like me, im Lutherian (95 thesus ring a bell?) and I have different belifes from many of the ppl I work with. (incase your woundering where I work at, I work at Capcom, Japan) most of the time religion gets invalved in Japan. I wish that I didnt live in Japan as a christian but yet I have to live with that. Right now the thing is that no matter what religion we are all people and thats that[/quote] You work for capcom? Oh poop. Don't tell them we use their charectors :( |
[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]for me its as simple as that ![/quote]
Yes, for you. Lets start with the basics, I keep reading statements like..., "god doesn't exist and Religion is something created in order to have something to believe in". I higly disagree with that statement. Several people in this topickept mentioning God/gods. What is god?god is not a name, god is a substance of worship. It might be something you admire, praise, idolize, worship, etc. It can be described in many ways. For example: There are some people in world, that worship the sun, the moon, and mars...., thus making them gods as well. If people/things worship me, then that makes me a god as well, lol. But HIM, that I personally know and millions of other "real christians" know that he has a name and he is God..., and He truly "exist". Whether you believe it or not, millions to testify. I believe there is a picture in Washington D.C. A picture about supernatural cloud that appeared in 1964... And Religion was NOT created in order to believe in "something", religion exists because God loves worship. |
OMG! A CLOUD! THIS PROVES IT ALL!
Stand back everybody, it's the cloud from heaven! what do clouds do? They rain on people. What a great cloud-god. I also have a peice of poop that looks like george bush, but that doesn't mean HE'S a god, does it? |
[quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]OMG! A CLOUD! THIS PROVES IT ALL!
Stand back everybody, it's the cloud from heaven! what do clouds do? They rain on people. What a great cloud-god. I also have a peice of poop that looks like george bush, but that doesn't mean HE'S a god, does it?[/quote] Lol, such ignorance VF, you look and sound ludicrous..., for a someone who understands science. It's sad to see that people like you, and many others seek prove, lol.. and when prove is provided, YOU still don't "accept" it(you don't have to believe it). Anyways, pictures were taken and investigated..., and it seemed the cloud was outside our atmosphere, where there was no air or moisture, thus making it impossible for a cloud to form. The cloud appeared to have formed like a face, that was no ordinary cloud..., and then "proven" to be supernatural. Evidence? Just like I mentioned, It's currently in Washington D.C. More supernatural activities took place in the 1960's as well. Lol, you people have absolutely no knowledge of whats going on around the world? do you. I've lived in some parts of the world where it's nothing but magic, witches, etc. A while ago, here in the states..., there was a ceremony being held, appeared to be Indians. There was a fire in the middile, and they were standing around it, holding hands and on calling upon the "devil".., their leader had a pencil in his hands, he throw the pencil on the ground. The pencil started writing by itself in some language. All these are the clues to existence of God. Fact is, your belief in Him won't decide his existence. He exists, you either "accept it" or you don't. By the way, there is no such thing is a cloud-god and there is no such thing as "coincidence"..., just happened, lol. Edited By vx_unicom on 1120735268 |
OK.. VX... if we believe in God, what religion is the right one?????? If we all want to go to heaven..dont we all have to have the same belief, a unified belief instead of soo many different beliefs. I have seen people consumed by demons, is that a "clue" that there is an ultimate power or is that we let our selves be controlled when we know that we have 100% full control of our bodies/minds/soul.
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omg dubya tee eff dubya tee eff dubya tee eff?!?!?! how could u liv without religion. even though im not chirstian, im a sikh, i dont think any religion is "bad", theyre all good but just different
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iam not saying it is bad..i dont really think its bad at all..but some people make it bad
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[quote:post_uid0="Abdoun_bacK"]OK.. VX... if we believe in God, what religion is the right one?????? If we all want to go to heaven..dont we all have to have the same belief, a unified belief instead of soo many different beliefs. I have seen people consumed by demons, is that a "clue" that there is an ultimate power or is that we let our selves be controlled when we know that we have 100% full control of our bodies/minds/soul.[/quote]
I believe only 1 religion is right which is why I follow that religion. |
by the time i look at this... people started flaming others... or at least making fun of others, by seeing who is doing it i wonder why i'm not surprised.
the other thing i'm not surprised to see here is that everytime one says something th eothers seems to like diagreeing on him... in a debate it is cool and fun, but this is no debate, what many of you are trying to is convice those with different belief that you are right and not them. that my dear friends, is not how debates works ! my opinion stays the same and i acknoledge what you guys believes. i am not trying to tell people what to believe. i am merely saying that for my art, gods or whatever being you believe in is not somthing real that is what i believe in ! btw... hitler wasn't atheist. he believed that whatever gods had created humans he had did the nazi better then others and started a kind of crusade against the jewish people for i can't remember what stupidities he believed in ! as i said, many war were declared against the different people on behalf of gods ! so i ask, which gods would let that happen on their behalf without doing anything in return. that for me is proof enough that gods either do not exists, either do not care for us at all ! but that is my blief, you guys are free to blieve what you want. BTW if i see anymore supposed funny remarks in this thread, its gonna get closed just like that other thread ! |
[quote:post_uid0="alamgir"]I believe only 1 religion is right which is why I follow that religion.[/quote]
same here only difference is that the one I follow is the right one......lol |
[quote:post_uid0="Abdoun_bacK"]OK.. VX... if we believe in God, what religion is the right one?????? If we all want to go to heaven..dont we all have to have the same belief, a unified belief instead of soo many different beliefs. I have seen people consumed by demons, is that a "clue" that there is an ultimate power or is that we let our selves be controlled when we know that we have 100% full control of our bodies/minds/soul.[/quote]
Well, it depends on which God/gods you believe in..., as well as your beliefs. However, things regarding with God, it's rather a personal experience. God doesn't deal with "religions", he deals with people personally(christians), in order to get to Him. He is the same God, that these three major religions know: Judaism, Christianity, and Islamic..., and he truly exist, testimonies, even proven by science. But The other small groups believe in many different gods and rituals..., not proven by science or whatsoever..., making them just beliefs. Yes, it's a clue that there is an ultimate power, however we been given something we know as free will, enabling us to have full control of our lives..., and do whatever we please, like say "God doesn't exist, then if you ask them which god their talking about, most of them go, hmm.. I don't know, God..., we have so many gods these days. But like karma said, everyone has his/her own beliefs, and does not deserve to be imposed on..., and the fact that this is NOT a debate. Edited By vx_unicom on 1120769744 |
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Proof is not a cloud. I saw a banana in a cloud once. Does that mean god is a banana? I once saw Donald Trump on a peice of toast. Does that mean he's god? Quote:
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Magic and witches don't exsist eigther. You know what else? Santa Clause and the easter bunny don't eigther. Quote:
You're living in your Harry Potter books, where magic, witches and god exsist. I'm living in the real world where we know there are fanatics out there. Edited By Virtual Fighter on 1120777992 |
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