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This will be the definitive DS vs. PSP thread, since alamgir seems to want to make his case on the merits of the PSP. I insist that if you're nothing but a fanboy to either system, you stay OUT of this topic. This will be an in-depth breakdown of both systems, by those who know it best. As such, I'll present the DS side of the argument, along with perhaps a few others, and I'll assume alamgir, and perhaps a few others on that side will present the PSP's argument.
We all know the strength of the system doesn't matter; we also know that the library of the system does. So, while we could argue back and forth on the merits of power vs. innovation (PSP and DS respectively), we should likely focus on the games. I'll admit that the current of library of DS games compared to PSP games, the PSP has a slight edge, but in my opinion that will soon change. Now, I was working on this in notepad, and I had this huge, huge list of 212 games that were coming out for the system, but my notepad glitched, and deleted a bunch of them, so I'm just going to make a list of what I feel will be the hits for the system. The likely mega-hits I'll post in bold. Advance Wars: Dual Strike Age of Empires: The Age of Kings Animal Crossing DS Black & White Creatures Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow ElectroPlankton Final Fantasy III Goldeneye: Rogue Agent Guilty Gear Dust Strikers Katamari Damacy Kirby: Canvas Curse Legend of Zelda DS Mario & Luigi 2 Mario Kart DS Meteos Metroid Pinball Metroid Prime: HUnters Nanostray New Super Mario Bros. Nintendogs: Shiba & Friends (One version of game shown) Sonic Rush Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory Trace Memory Viewtiful Joe DS Now, before you say, "All those games are kiddy," the games are more along the lines of universal appeal. Just because the games don't have excessive violence, or foul launguage, or blood doesn't mean that the game is kiddy. I ask that somebody for PSP's side come up with a list of supposed hits and mega-hits, with hyper-links to IGN game sites, so that we can compare. Warmor: Link to GameStop or something else, IGN sucks =-P Quass: Um, shouldn't he be able to link to wherever he wants without moderator influence? That being said, IGN did have superior DS coverage over E3. Warmor: Um, he can. -_-' I wasn't using a "moderator influence" to force him to do it, and IGN wasn't to impressive, that's all. Edited By Warmor on 1117052713 |
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A friend of mine owns a DS with METROID HUNTER DEMO and i played it, must say the graphics of that console are pretty good. can't say i played PSP all i seen were preview of it in action. seems like a viable handheld.
in any case, i must say both are pretty much the same, action packed, power packed and greatly entertaining ! BTW, the SYSTEM SPECS are to be counted into account for its what the designers of these games are developping on ! thus the games are all about the power of that same handheld not about how they want it to be ! for now i must say both are pretty good ! i think nintendo as found his match in handheld genre for quite a while ! |
Psp Rulezzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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OMG!!!1!one!!! STFU!!!!1! Where's alamgir? Isn't he supposed to, like, be making his case for the PSP? |
Ok, i'll say the basics.
Graphics are way more advanced than the DS. UMD cd's USB capability MP3 player WIF online capability Watch movies Over view pics For the link to Gamespot Sign-up page https://secure.gamespot.com/rps/basi...c_sign_up.html |
[color=#000000]Alright, i'm here. Firstly i'd like to say the strength of a system isn't all that matters but it does matter a little bit. Otherwise we wouldn't be buying ds's and psp's and we'd stick to our old school systems in the 16 bit era.
Now you wanted a games list and i'll give you some from Gamespot but if you really want a list from IGN i'll give you one later. Here are some upcoming titles which should be big hits... Burnout Legends Coded Arms Socom: U.S. Navy Seals Fireteam Bravo Devil May Cry Gran Turismo 4 Mobile Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories Guilty Gear Judgement Crisis Core - Final Fantasy VII The Con Metal Gear Acid 2 King of Fighters : Maximum Impact Mortal Kombat: Deception [url=http://www.gamespot.com/psp/rpg/ |
[color=#000000]Burnout Legends
Could be good. I've always been a fan of the Burnout series. Coded Arms Looks okay... I'm not really sure how an FPS will work on the PSP. You'd be forced to use the stick and the digital buttons on the other side. That'd be quite awkward. Socom: U.S. Navy Seals Fireteam Bravo Once again, my comment on FPS on the PSP. Also, this game is going to likely be available for consoles. Devil May Cry If you want to pay $50 for a game that you could easily just buy for the PS2 for $9, then go ahead. Gran Turismo 4 Mobile Could be okay. Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories I'm not a fan of the GTA series, but I will admit that this could be a selling point for the PSP. Guilty Gear Judgement I love Guilty Gear, but I hear that for the PSP one they nerfed the controls, making it a button to jump. I'd hope that's just the case while in the sidescrolling adventure part of the game. Crisis Core - Final Fantasy VII I already said in another thread that this could be a killer app. The Con OMFG The Con?? I've seen the videos and it looks like one of the worst fighters ever. I study fighting games for hours on end, too, so my opinion on the game isn't absolute, but it carries more leverage than an average, "omg tha con looks da good," person. Metal Gear Acid 2 I never played the first Metal Gear: Acid, so I can't say anything about the sequel, really. The first one received mediocre reviews, though. Around 8.0 if I recall. King of Fighters : Maximum Impact A port of an unimpressive fighter for the PS2. Mortal Kombat: Deception Another port of an unimpressive fighter. Don't give me any of this, "MK:D is a good game," crap. The game has nothing when you study it. [url=http://www.gamespot.com/psp/rpg/ |
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About te Metal Gear Ac!d game, i have part 1. It's way different from all the other Metal Gear games which i for one was suprised about. When i got my PSP i got Metal Gear (my first game) when i turned it on, i was like dubya tee eff! It was metal gear with cards. Yes cards, a movement card to move around (or can use other cards to move) equip cards and weapon cards (even character cards). But once i played the game, it wasn't that bad and the graphics are incredible. It deserves the 8.0 rating, and i herd Midnight Club : Dub Edition is coming out for the PSP also, that could be a winning game.
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Well as i mentionned... i haven't played the PSP but i did see it in action.
both consoles are fine the way they are, even though the DS isn't strong spec wise. it still do not need that much power to run a good FPS game ! tell me compared to the PSP.which console is better for which kind of games. a good example is this one... PSP could be better for fighting games or platform games. but the DS is way better for FPS for it has the mean for the mouselike action. and that is the thing FPS were always all about. in all honesty... i'm with DAN HIBIKI on this one. the PSP lacks a few features for certain type of games. as for the all in 1 things... well again i'm with DAN HIBIKI on this one. thing is HANDHELDS are made for the sole purpose of playing games during a trip. and SONY seems to start thinking that CONSOLES and PORTABLE COMPUTERS are the very same thing when its actually not. if you can afford buying games at 50+ dollars and buy the handheld at 100+ dollars then by all means go fetch yourself a portable computer. believe me it would do you way more goods. in my view, a console is made for games... back then i didn't expect my SNES or my GENESIS to do me the dinner ! same goes for handheld, at least one company didn't forget that the lower the cost the faster you'll sell ! by having a lot less componnent the DS can truly be sold at a higher rate for it truly won't be cost that much. thought nintendo were always ont he cash side, i really thin the DS is the handheld for gameplay while the PSP seems to like doing something else then gaming ! |
Lacks features for certain types of games? Like what? And whats this mouse effect thing you talk about?
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mouse like effect... the nintendo DS uses the bottom screen to show the map in FPS but that screen also is used for a mouse like effect, use either you finger or the pen to actually control the target on the screen ! thus creating a mouse like effect which ables the users to actually AIM and moves at the same time !
double clicking the screen also does something. truly between the DS and the PSP, the DS was thought to be an FPS designed Handheld. cause FPS games are what people askes for these days ! |
Hold on a sec, so the bottom screen is used as a map and a screen where you control the aim of your gun/weapon? I don't quite get that. And fps's are where the psp can make use of its analog stick as well as its graphics.
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<span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>The PSP I would say is definately better if you live in or have access to a wireless network (My House has one)..
...It can browse the internet....Well with a hack now...but Sony may be releasing their own browser in a fanware update.. Also the psp has an analog stick...A feature the DS could have used The touch screen feature is certainly unique....I am not all convinced it is necessary however.. Other wise... I am very immpressed with both handheld devices... but my moneys going for the PSP</span> |
Yes, I have a router and enjoy that secret browser in wipeout, I found a website where you can instant message other psp users and all. Firmware updates are something to look forward to as you'll always be able to update your psp even without a router using its usb connection. The Nintendo DS can't have updates.
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I know that some people have said that it might not be worth it to buy a game for the PSP for 50+ dollars just to be able to get the same game on a console for less, but I think its a good idea. The DS doesn't have hardcore games on it, but I don't think it was really meant for that. Tony Hawks Underground 2 for the PSP actually has more features than the console version according to GameInformer, and I would rather have more indepth games such as Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Acid, and Midnight Club 3: Dub Edition than some of the games that DS has out, even if more might be on the way. Despite some of the things DS has going for it, my vote is going to be on the PSP.
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[color=#000000]Yeah and its not like all are remakes.in fact there are very few that are. Differnet variations of the PS2's games have been put on the PSP and totally new ones alike, not remakes. On the other hand the DS has remakes too, in fact more probably. I just find the games list of the psp more appealing, and judging by their review scores they do look better than the DS's.
The price isn't really that much extra than the DS games, well not that much here anyway. I only pay |
The price of games is a whole 66% more than the DS's first party and lower-priced games, and 25% more than the most expensive DS games. They are considerably more expensive.
When are you going to analyze my games list like I did yours? |
I won't actually. Because at the end of the day the only way to see if they'll be big hits is to wait and see what happens when they come out. Surely we should be arguing with information we have now? Like the console capabilites, current games etc.
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Well, currently I will give a minor advantage to the PSP, but not because of hardware. In my opinion, all of the extra features that the PSP has are ultimately useless frills. Besides, the DS has extras coming out that match most of them, anyways. Play-Yan = mp3 and video functionality on SD cards, and is announced for the US. And I don't need to surf the web with my DS. I have a computer for that. And what function could that serve for games?
Anyways, soon the extra features of the PSP will be moot because of Play-Yan, and everything will be based solely on the game libraries that come out for them. In my opinion, the DS's upcoming library looks more promising, but then we're getting into opinion. |
I got a psp and Some of the games are on ps2 so what you can play the games you have on your ps2 when your in the car or w/e i say psp is better them DS. I mean ds is just a sp with a touch screen :(
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[quote:post_uid0="Dan Hibiki"]Well, currently I will give a minor advantage to the PSP, but not because of hardware. In my opinion, all of the extra features that the PSP has are ultimately useless frills. Besides, the DS has extras coming out that match most of them, anyways. Play-Yan = mp3 and video functionality on SD cards, and is announced for the US. And I don't need to surf the web with my DS. I have a computer for that. And what function could that serve for games?
Anyways, soon the extra features of the PSP will be moot because of Play-Yan, and everything will be based solely on the game libraries that come out for them. In my opinion, the DS's upcoming library looks more promising, but then we're getting into opinion.[/quote] I find listening to music and watching musics useful actually even though it has no relation to games. Sure its a game console but what harm is done by having all these great extra features? Play yan costs, psp has it built in. For now psp has something the ds doesn't whether or not it has to do with games. The DS doesn't have firmware updates either which may have an effect on your gaming eg downloading say weapons or items for a game from the internet. Aside from the built in features that don't have any relation to gaming, the hardware of the psp is considerably better than the ds's. But I agree with you, only until things like the play yan and the upcoming games for both consoles come out can we argue about them. |
I liked PSP for nowbut i would like the Xbox 360 better
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Alamgir, you still don't understand the primary use of the touch screen on the DS ?
fact is, i rather like a mouse to play my FPS games then having a ANALOG STICK, for th emouse is always better pointing and have accuracy the analog stick up to now never had ! i know many people like the analog better though and that is nothing more then an opinion. but i think in FPS games the DS has the advantage over the PSP ! basically, you use the touch screen for aiming. like a mouse you move the pen ont he touch screen and the AIM TARGET on the other screen moves as the pen tolds it to go ! so basically just like a 1 button mouse. you can AIM and jump, or open ddoors by double clicking the touch screen ! try and find someone who has METROID PRIME HUNTERS which by the way is incredible ! you'll see what i mean by aiming with more accuracy. though i think it still is a little ankward, yet its playable the way it is made ! as for the one that dislikes the DS because it looks like the GBA SP with another screen... well the outlook seems the same and its understandable why they take the concept back. the ds becomes easier to put in your pocket that way. but, fact remains that under the hood... the DS is way more then what GBA SP could ever have dreamt of ever being at one time in its history ! the DS is definitely not a GBA SP ! FIRMWAVE UPDATE could be good, now that i agree on. having an internet connection is good. but, BTW, if you didn't knew, the DS has an INFRARED PORT ! or do i confuse with another handheld... well i know it can communicate with other DSes even at one kilometters away from you which enables the multiplayer gameplay experiences without paying any costs which is a pretty good thing for you don't need to pay your internet to have it ! but as far as i know... its still a pretty darn good thing if i may say ! up to now, the DS might seems like a poorly made choice, but considering how much details have been put into the gameplay itself other then the utility it can have. the costs seems like a ridiculous one for me. i mean touch screen, great graphics, great sounds, great concept, all of that without paying the usual price that the normal new generation handheld would have normally costs you ! thus the DS is way betterly abordable which means parents will have a better time buying things for their childs. but as mentionned... NINTENDO as a market that targets every age category, while sony and microsoft seeks out the money by taking only the 12-24 age category which is a bad thing if i may say ! nintendo here has a better view of gaming in my opinion as gaming includes the most, the little kids under the age of 12 ! |
Ok maybe you like FPS's more witht he mouse effect but i don't approve of the idea. I mean clicking the screen with a stylus at where you wanna shoot just seems dodgy, but this is all about opinion.
As for communicating for free, PSP also has the function to communicate with other psp's without an internet connection. This is also free of charge. The ds probably won't have firmware updates since there's no where to save them on, as the memory on the games is only for game saves. You can easily transfer a firmware update to the psp via a usb link or wifi to a memory stick duo. But there might be firmware updates on DS though. Good Graphics? PSP has better graphics. Lets compare... http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen001.jpg A DS NFS game http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen002.jpg A PSP NFS game A pretty big difference if you ask me. The sounds on thhe psp are equally good as the ds's. Don't get me wrong the DS is good but I just think the PSP's better. |
So what if graphics are better? Graphics don't matter.
DS is already $100 less than PSP, so what if Play-Yan costs an extra $30 or $50? Tell me, how would you play a FPS on the PSP? Using the analog stick to move, and the DIGITAL square, triangle, etc. buttons to move? Combining analog and digital control would be really bad. |
[quote:post_uid0="Dan Hibiki"]So what if graphics are better? Graphics don't matter.
DS is already $100 less than PSP, so what if Play-Yan costs an extra $30 or $50? Tell me, how would you play a FPS on the PSP? Using the analog stick to move, and the DIGITAL square, triangle, etc. buttons to move? Combining analog and digital control would be really bad.[/quote] We'll see. And I think graphics do matter. |
Graphics obviously dont matter. The Gizmondo is 400mhz, which is nearly double the strength of the PSP, and yet, it hardly has a following in Europe where it was released first.
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Yes but does it have the good games psp has? No, not to mention the dazzling display. Put ot this way, I rate games over graphics, but say if I had to choose between two consoles with equally good games (the ds and psp in my opinion), i'd choose the one with the better graphics.
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Listen up, there is no tapping the screen... you move the pen ont he screen and the aiming target follows the movements that's all, just like you would use a mouse in a normal COMPUTER fps game. and no i like RPGs way better... and up to now none of these two consoles are giving me the games i want to see !
the only thing i see fit is metal gear solid, its becoming quite like resident evil thought ! i mean come on, there is like a lot of resident evil and tekken games even DOA which is my favorite game besides SOUL CALIBUR. yet all they do is promote sequels to games that are already 8 or 10 years old ! come one, you don't do your fortune doing the very same games all over again in history right ? for my part, METAL GEAR, TEKKEN, DOA do not makes a great list in itself for any console. you know why ? because in the eyes of a gamer... those games even though they have new features everytimes, will eventually thinks its getting old playing always the very same style of play each new gen console ! as for graphics.... well... tell yourself that it doesn't depends pictures themselves... i could show you a picture of the PSP running a movie while the DS is running the very same movie and you wouldn't see any differences ! its all a matter of programming and how the programmers programmed it. if those programmers had better tools to program on the PSP then its normal they had a beterly looking product in the end ! same thing can go off to a game where it starts out on one console and finishes on another ! a good example was METAL GEAR SOLID 2 SUBSTANCE on PS2 compared to XBOX... there was a lot more things on XBOX including a way to actually change the ingame cinematics which the PS2 versions didn't have ! see just because they PORT it to another console doesn't mean they can't improve it between both ! so in themselves these images do not show truly what the DS is all about nor does it shows what the PSP is all about ! anyway my only conclusion is that the DS is a pretty decent machine and same goes to the psp... but as everything... the PSP has its favorite games to play on and the DS has its preferrances as well. the only thing hate int he DS is the fact that it seems to be made for games with not much buttons... like fighting games seems hard to play on the DS. in any case i think both are worth it, but if you want my opinion ont he matter, buy the DS... its cheaper and gives you the same things the PSP gives you ! |
The DS doesn't have any fighting games out currently.
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Come on Karma, who doesn't like sequels of good games? Its not about the new added features its about the continuation of the story line. Sequels are sequels not remakes.
As for the graphics, its obviously not about programming. Since eventually you'll find the DS has a lower limit in how good the graphics of the machine can go, a limit exceeded by PSP. If all the games for the DS and PSP were maxed out to take full advantage of the systems' capabilities the PSP would have the better graphics because it has better specs in that area. About the mouse effect with the stylus, how would you shoot then? To be honest controlling FPS's for both consoles look pretty dodgy, but i'm sure they'll be able to get used to. There are RPG's coming out though for both DS and PSP. Check these out. |
I don't play sequels just to play using the same system of the first game, even if I liked it. Each sequel better have brand-new gameplay elements, or it won't have good scores, and likely won't sell that well. Story is nice, but I want new GAMEPLAY, and that's the way most people feel about sequels.
FPSs is actually pretty good with the DS. The DS comes with a plastic thumb pad that you, well, put on your thumb. You use your right thumb on the touch screen, kinda like a touch-screen analog stick. You use the L and R buttons for shooting and jumping. DSs come with Metroid Prime: Hunters - First Hunt (a demo), and its an FPS (unlike the actual Metroid Prime, which is a FPA), and the controls are good. Edited By Dan Hibiki on 1117484280 |
I just feel wierd about placing my hand over the screen with a stylus for the whole game.
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why is ti that when i tell him what to do he doesn't understand and when DAN speaks he does...
man i'll never understand that ! lanyway maybe you don't like the idea cause you like analog sticks better, but i always though that for FPS mouses and very accurate pointing system was definitely better. thus anything that resembles a mouse in my opinion is better for FPS games ! in any case... you should try it and you would understand why the DS is all good ! also by programming limits i was speaking of the actual way the programmers thinks and programs their games. you compared a racing game, but you failed to show images of games that were pretty much very clean on the DS, games such as METROID HUNTER even if only the demo i think the game ran prefectly good and seemed the equals of the PSP graphic wise ! another good example of programming... METAL GEAR SOLID 2 on PS2 was one game that prooved that the PS2 even if way farther behind compared to the other 2 consoles that wer're the GC and the XBOX... could compare graphic wise to them ! clever programming can truly achieve any real goal and prooves that specs aren't all that matters cause all that matters there is that the programmers themselves are creatives about the methods used to program the games ! so in all honesty, even if the PSP has better SPECS which is a good thing for it... the DS can and has evenly compared to it up to now ! the fact that it targets a younger audience will also affect the way the DS will be sold. so in all i think the DS is definitely the handheld of choice. if you want a portable mini computer, go buy the PSP cause its what you'll end up with ! |
Man the PSP is not a portable mini computer. Just cos it does things the ds doesn't, that doesn't make it a mini computer. I enjoy the games on the psp better than I do on the DS.
About the graphics issue, metroid looks good but its one of the very few games that look good on ds, the majority of psp games look better. Anyway in my opinion the PSP is better and so far nothing you have told me will sway that opinion, and it seems like nothing I can tell you will sway your opinions. |
Not a mini-Computer huh ?
well... - it plays games - It listen's to MP3 - It can surf the web - It can write stuff in a notepad like - it can chat with others - It can play video's ! now tell me, if this isn't the description of a portable mini-computer. then tell me what it is ! don't get me wrong... the PSP isn't bad and i don't think its useless. i actually would like to own both handhelds. but i hate people who just ditch a handheld just because it lacks features ! maybe you didn't see enough games for the DS to see that if other games are bad in generals then truly its because of the developpers not because of the console ! see it this way... if METROID can be that greatly made, then truly the other developpers simply didn't put enough work on their version of their games cause truly they could have done way better ! same goes for the PSP, not all games looks cool on the PSP but you seem to say otherwise. i say both cannot be compared for both have different view on it and up to now all we have are opinions. the fact we bring forth are maybe good facts but prooves only so much of th ehanbdheld that it doesn't help saying it ! for my part... its all up to the developpers to show us what the handheld can really do and that always takes a lot of time to prooves ! |
I never ditched the Nintendo DS, it is a good hand held. When I made the comment I made about the "mini pc", I only made it because I assumed you thought that its not a gaming machine. I never put the DS down because it lacked some of the features the PSP has.
The majority of games on the PSP look better then the majority of games on the DS and I reckon the best looking game on the PSP looks better then the best looking game on the DS. When games start to take full advantage of either systems' graphical capabilities, the PSP's graphics will look better. If you want proof of superior graphics in the PSP checkthis link out, where I searched for reviews of games on both of the systems with graphics' ratings of 8 or over. Edited By alamgir on 1117649373 |
Let me tell you guys you know video games are just a route away from the real world...but dont play too much their meant for 2-4 hours of entertainment but remmember the real world is calling out to you...But go 360...But the PS3 is going to have all the sports so go PS3
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