[quote:post_uid0="Abdoun_bacK"]iam not saying it is bad..i dont really think its bad at all..but some people make it bad[/quote]
no no no, lol abdoun u got me wrong im talking about the psychos on previous pages that say they dont follow religions. damn atheiests!!! :angry: :angry: :angry:

[quote:post_uid0="kester-"][quote:post_uid0="alamgir"]I believe only 1 religion is right which is why I follow that religion.[/quote]
same here

only difference is that the one I follow is the right one......lol[/quote]
....and this is when it all crumbles down.....

[quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]You're living in your Harry Potter books, where magic, witches and god exsist.[/quote]
Sighs, I pity you, have you been in India?. It's clear that you won't change your ignorant ways..., not suprised either, seeing as how your little mind is unwilling to expand it's way of seeing things, and seeing things far beyond where you live, and this world for that matter. There is wisdom out there far beyond this world's comprehension. Believe what you want(forgot,you don't have any beliefs). Not wasting my time disputing with you..., what an infidel. God coming down and saying hi to an ignorant, non-believer like you?!, lol. I couldn't even understand what you were trying to say..., all I read was poop, flips, extra.. :dozingoff:

Edit: Abound, I suggest you close this topic before it turns into nothing but "spam".



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omg whats wrong with u virtual fighter? How can u not believe in God. dubya tee eff is ur religion?!?!?!?!!?! PLAYING GAMES ALL DAY?!?!?!?! How do u think evrything was created? Did damn ryu come and make the world with his damn hadouken powers? Probably wat u believe....u need to get a life NERD:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:



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[quote:post_uid0="Boxfighter"]omg whats wrong with u virtual fighter? How can u not believe in God. dubya tee eff is ur religion?!?!?!?!!?! PLAYING GAMES ALL DAY?!?!?!?! How do u think evrything was created? Did damn ryu come and make the world with his damn hadouken powers? Probably wat u believe....u need to get a life NERD:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:[/quote]
Some people dont have religions..Some believe in different ones..

Kester you mean the religion you believe to be right and the religion I can assume that i'll believe to be wrong. I will never say something like "my religion is right" here because I know everyone has different beliefs and I don't wanna start an endless religious debate, even though I believe my religion is right and all others are wrong.



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[quote:post_uid0="alamgir"]Kester you mean the religion you believe to be right and the religion I can assume that i'll believe to be wrong. I will never say something like "my religion is right" here because I know everyone has different beliefs and I don't wanna start an endless religious debate, even though I believe my religion is right and all others are wrong.[/quote]
wait iam confused..you just siad that you want say your religion is right..but at the end of your comment you just said your religion is right. .....???...all i know there is something spiritual out there..thats all...my relgion..my heart and my mind..just have good conduct

[quote:post_uid0="alamgir"]The difference between me saying "I believe my religion is right" and "my religion is right" is that saying "my religion is right" negates everyone elses beliefs making it less like a belief out of many but just a single belief everyone should follow. When I say "I believe my religion is right" it shows that I have awareness of other people's beliefs even though I believe them to be wrong. Ahh what am I jabbering on jabbering on about, its hard to explain, but basically I follow a religion I believe to be true and I believe all other religions to be wrong.[/quote]
So, are the rest of us going to hell? I don't believe that to be true. I believe our actions not our religion if there truly is a higher beings messing with us...will decide where we go. If we go anywhere else but 6 ft under after death. Your actions reflect you not how many times you went to church and claimed your religion. I mean ppl could be as bitchy as can be and say their Christian but do you think they are going to heaven. And there could be this Atheist who is they nicest person out there...helpful...kind...truthful...and...so are you telling me they will go to hell and the other person to heaven? I know that's your religion and your opinion but do you think it's fair?

[quote:post_uid0="Vash"][quote:post_uid0="machine1"]im not a religious person at all. I believe in god and everything, but i don't go to church, never really read the bible, and just dont follow religion.[/quote]
Same for me but I read the bible in my spare time.[/quote]
yea same for me and i also read it twice. one night was cause i was so bored and stayed up till 3:00 am reading it cause i got so caught up in it

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You humour me VF..., however with Infidels like you, I knew this topic was going to turn into a debate, absolutely!! First of all, know one is imposing on you for not believing in God. I'm imposing on you for bringing up false accusations towards religion, such as "religion started a war", and all that nonsense.

Really? What about the crusades? Pop Urban the 18 basically said "It's okay, go and kill, god said so, he's on our side." Yes, god, the christian god, the

one you say was never faught for in the name of religion?

What about the pakistan-india missle threat? They both have the bomb and want to use it, one side being hindu, the other bieng muslim.

What about this islam-judaism guerrila war? Oh, but those are all infidels, so they don't count.

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But you must understand that God's will is greater than man's and he permits something for the "greater" good.

But what you're saying is that even if you kill, even if you rape, you'll still be better off than one who doesn't "believe" in god at all.

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]God did not and is NOT responsible for these events, Humans are. Out of all creation, humans are the only ones that failed to do as God wills, by defying themselves, committing adultry, etc..., thus enabling all these events upon themselves..., thanks to his laws, I will never posses any of those sickness.

Pfft, you'll never posses those "sicknesses"? Bullpoop. A real christian would say "I'm not to say if i've been good of bad or if I'd ever be good or bad,

that's god's decision. I can only be the best I can."

But you take this "I pray everyday, therefore i'm holier than thou" aprouch to everything.

Let's get one thing straight. I hate religion. I think god is a good concept, but hate religion. Look at all the bad poop that has happened because of

religion. God didn't cause it, god never said "fight over me". You know who did? Religion. The religious figures.

Those which you're supposed to defend.

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I understand from the science point of view, of how the world was created. But I also understand from the christian point of view of how the world was created, but the christian way is much more accurate. That explosion did not cause, so that the earth would be filled with all these different types of creatures.

You mean the millions of specie of bugs, the thousands of specie of fish, the mamels, the monkey family, the dogs, the billions of billions of animals living

in the world today?

Oh yeah, that's ALOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF CREATURES.

You know what else? we're not the only thing here. Although that's what religion wanted and still wants you to think in some ways. God made us in his image.

We're gods special creatures. God loves us the most.

Let me tell you something:

The number of galaxies in the observable universe is estimated to be around 100 billion (1011), I think. Each of those contains something like 100 billion

stars. Therefore, the total number of stars in the universe is around about 1022, or 10 thousand billion billion.

Stars. Like the sun, all (or most) have planets orbiting them. If each has let's say ATLEAST ONE there's still would be 10 thousand billion billion.


If religion was true, and we are alone, why did god make all those stars and all those planets? Because he could? Because he did? Or was it because there's

something more to everything?

Who's the one living in an ignorant state of being now, Mr. "We're alone. Shut up, quit thinking."

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It's no coincidence that we are the third planet from the sun. Just perfect for humans and creatures alike to recieve enough light. There had to be something before the "big bang" that influenced the explosion to begin with.

What? You're contredicting yourself.

Your religion tells you that god made the heavens, then the earth and then you, and everything in between. God made two people and a world of animals.


And that's all you need to know. It doesn't say anything about no big bang, about other stars, about other planets, or the sun. In fact, if it wasn't for

science defying religion, we'd still think we're the center of the universe and it revolves around US.

Christianity, the most narcessistic idea known to man.

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The big explosion did not and cannot create...,

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and thanks to God, I'm not racist..., so therefore I don't hate any racial groups including the jews.

Jew isn't a racial group (in this context), it's a religious group, a group which you think are all infidels and

And yes, I believe in Jesus.., in order to fully undertand life, it all begins with God, or you will just end up at another dead end.


So, answer my original question. Can you tell me one thing religion has done that can outwheigh the bad things? Maybe evern just one thing good it's done.

And, a second question added on top. Who created god?



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[quote:post_uid0="vx_unicom"]You humour me VF..., however with Infidels like you, I knew this topic was going to turn into a debate, absolutely!! First of all, know one is imposing on you for not believing in God. I'm imposing on you for bringing up false accusations towards religion, such as "religion started a war", and all that nonsense.

Religion did not cause a war..., and without God's laws, there wouldn't be any laws to begin with, which is indeed a good thing right?! God's intentions were good, when he created us..., to live peacefully with all the creatures of the earth, and have dominion over all things here on earth.

But you must understand that God's will is greater than man's and he permits something for the "greater" good.

Your mistaken, with regards to these particular things you mentioned:I quote...
"Because all I see religion is doing is war, pushing homophobia, pushing sexsism, banning condoms and pushing the aids virus, overpopulating the world by banning birth control, and pushing, most of all, HATE."

God did not and is NOT responsible for these events, Humans are. Out of all creation, humans are the only ones that failed to do as God wills, by defying themselves, committing adultry, etc..., thus enabling all these events upon themselves..., thanks to his laws, I will never posses any of those sickness.

I understand from the science point of view, of how the world was created. But I also understand from the christian point of view of how the world was created, but the christian way is much more accurate. That explosion did not cause, so that the earth would be filled with all these different types of creatures. It's no coincidence that we are the third planet from the sun. Just perfect for humans and creatures alike to recieve enough light. There had to be something before the "big bang" that influenced the explosion to begin with.

Fairy tales??, lol.

The big explosion did not and cannot create..., and thanks to God, I'm not racist..., so therefore I don't hate any racial groups including the jews.

And yes, I believe in Jesus.., in order to fully undertand life, it all begins with God, or you will just end up at another dead end.[/quote]
ok ok ok....i have a very simpl queation for you. Why would God create us if he knows well off what is going to happen, what will turn out with our futures. With all this havock Couldnt God do something better off than create us???..just think very deeply about this question....very deeply. And dont give me this answer "to test us"

P.S.. VF is not being arrogant..he is actually showing very strong view points and actauly has more knowledge than some religious people around here.



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[quote:post_uid0="alamgir"]In the Quran it says the Muslim community will split and be corrupted, as a sign of the day of judgement.[/quote]
and that more earthquakes and rapings will happen, which are other signs.

yes...day of judgement. Does anyone believe in it?

Hmm, I never said anything about "defending" religion..., I'm simply defending the fact that God exist.

@Abound...Read carefully: Before God became God..., he was known as Elohim. Meaning the Self-existent one, nothing existed but him, and in him alone, he possed these features that he wanted to be displayed.
-The nature of a Father.
-Love.
-The ability to save.
-Creator.
-The ability to heal.
-Give life.
He loved worship..., and many other abilities than he wanted displayed for Glory..., and In order for Him to display all these, there had to be something that was lost in order for him to "save". There had to be something that had to be sick in order for him to "heal"..., along with the things I mentioned. The people who have believed in Him, have experienced being healed of their sickness, not knowing Him, and then knowing him, etc.
As a Father, he had to have his own "children", thats why he created Human being and gave them dominion over all the creatures..., God's intentions were good from thr begining and will always be. Some events are caused by the Devil/Satan, and not God..., and so God permitted it.

And before he created us, since he loved worship, he had to create his own subjects that would worship him, thus making him God by creating Angels. He doesn't need humans to worship Him, Lol, he can cause the birds, trees, stars, etc..., to worship Him. He created us because he need Children, because he possed the nature of a Father.

In his own great infinite wisdom, he knew he had to save humanity from their sins, bad deeds. God is a Spirit and therefore he had to come by himself in the form of "Jesus". So he would save them. From what?! From their sins, and so people would know Him as well.
-The problem is Unbelief Not in religions but In God.

-----> I will respond to YOU VF after this post..., this is way to long. Hate long posts.



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God is the Creator, he doesn't have a craetor..., if he did, then he wouldn't be infinite, or eternal. He doesn't have a begining or end. Things that have a begin and an end exist in time, but he is eternal, time doesn't apply to him.

About the 20,000,000 people, your wrong. Many christians and non-christians have testified of being healed of their sickness because they believed in God. Lol, it's funny how some people only believe in God, when their sick, or on their death bed in the hospital. There's been people healed of cancer, malaria..., and so many other disease. God can't just heal you if you don't believe in Him or know him.

God has always healed people who had faith in Him, and believed him. There was once some old lady up in Arizona, who was infected with some brain disease..., and she was at the edge of dying. Doctors did everything they could, but then they told her husband that she would die. fortunately for her, she "believed" that God lives, and that he is capable of healing her.

Things looked hopeless..., the doctors, her husband were in the room with her, when all of a sudden the room was filled with some strange light hanging over the lady and immediately her brain was well functioning at a 100% and there was no sign of the disease. The room was filled with silence..., everyone, including the doctors were speechless. She was "healed", why?! Because she knew who she believed in. So many people have experienced Gods healing due to their faith.

There is no way someone can truly prove God. Only God himself can..., and he does it in his own way. Lol, God doesn't think the way you think, for him to come down and hi. His face his brighter than the sun, He is God, sin cannot stand in his presence..., you body can't even last 2 seconds in his overwhelming presence. You will probably end up in state of shock, paralyzed, weak, etc.

The people who wrote the bible did not make it up. It was written by rabbis, of scrolls found sometime in 1700's or earlier in the greek and hebrew languages before translated in English and french.

Lol..., this arguement is a waste of time. The subject of the topic itself is not debatable.



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ok that's what i was thinking would happen, now you are all dissing on vf and worst you are staring to say those who do not believe in god are whacked and all... you know, your own thing about gods and the fact that you got free will doesn't even works together !

come on, free will ? then explain me why god askes you to do something and you must do it ! that isn't free will if you ask me !

anyway...

just for the fact that most of you seems to think too greatly off the religion and are like dissing people cause they don't have the same ideal as you, then this topic is closed. as simple as that !

next time don't do a fliping religion topic, it always gets like that !

no one was disrespecting religion...Topic OPen

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Oh yeah, and I bet your answer to racism is "If we were all one race there wouldn't be anymore!"

Sadly that is probably true, afterall there have always been racist people and there always will be.

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Who are you to say ANYTHING?

Who am I to say anything? Suicide bombings, terrorism, gay bishops, wars and more sins are being commited in this world. All of the main religions condemn what i've said. Perhaps I was a little harsh in saying most people don't follow their religions as they were supposed to but you have to admit to what's going on in the world.



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[quote:post_uid0="vx_unicom"]The people who wrote the bible did not make it up. It was written by rabbis, of scrolls found sometime in 1700's or earlier in the greek and hebrew languages before translated in English and french.[/quote]
If you want the true words of God, and not the re re re edited one (bible), you have to look for the Dead Sea Scrolls. Unfortunatley, NO ONE CAN READ ARAMAIC!!! The Bible has been re written many times....


The question of who created God is a never ending question. Because we say "who created God?" The "whose? the person who created the creator of God?" so on and so on.

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They live in the middle east. Now, unless you wear alot of sun screan, you're going to be dark as night.

True that. Iam From Jordan (bordering Israel/Palestine). If you go to the east or south side, youll get Crispy. Jerusalem..my parents use to live there....HOT AND REALLY SUNNY.

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Lol..., this arguement is a waste of time. The subject of the topic itself is not debatable.

surely and always will, rise questions.

you reopening a thread closed by a mod is something you shouldn't be doing !

and if you think nobody dissed anbyone, then you clearly need glasses, the last 3 pages are full of post that diss the others for their belief !

again topic closed, i suggest you do not open it again !

Ummm..buddy..did you see anyone in here disrespecting anyones else religion..I THINK NOT.