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both sides have a powerful argument, Ill just say some stuff that hasnt already been gone over.

psp- black, sliky smooth, looks badass
ds- looks like a fisher price product

but hey, whatever floats your boat

[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]Not a mini-Computer huh ?

well...
- it plays games
- It listen's to MP3
- It can surf the web
- It can write stuff in a notepad like
- it can chat with others
- It can play video's !

now tell me, if this isn't the description of a portable mini-computer. then tell me what it is !
don't get me wrong... the PSP isn't bad and i don't think its useless. i actually would like to own both handhelds. but i hate people who just ditch a handheld just because it lacks features ! maybe you didn't see enough games for the DS to see that if other games are bad in generals then truly its because of the developpers not because of the console !

see it this way... if METROID can be that greatly made, then truly the other developpers simply didn't put enough work on their version of their games cause truly they could have done way better ! same goes for the PSP, not all games looks cool on the PSP but you seem to say otherwise.

i say both cannot be compared for both have different view on it and up to now all we have are opinions. the fact we bring forth are maybe good facts but prooves only so much of th ehanbdheld that it doesn't help saying it !

for my part... its all up to the developpers to show us what the handheld can really do and that always takes a lot of time to prooves ![/quote]
wha it could do all that!!!! i mean i know it does the game, mp3, movie part but how do you do the other ones!

To Virtual Fighter: but look how sexy the PSP looks like, if you haven't noticed the PSP is based off of the controller not the GBA.

A game that i heard that is also coming is the *gasp* Street Fighter Alpha. I am not sure if it would be a collection like what they did with Darkstalkers by putting all the graphics and moves from the 3 darkstalkers game and adding a little something into one game. but i think they will make it into a collection or whatever you call it.

plus it has up to 1 giga byte of memory, doesn't that count for something?

Je finis :sleepy:

http://gamewag.com/images/content/ps2controller.jpg

Controller.

http://www.success-hk.com/success/im.../PSP-LQ8S4.JPG

PSP.

http://img.hc360.com/toys/Market/pro...4544_41378.jpg

Game boy advance.

You are totally right.

-_-

Edited By Virtual Fighter on 1117683337

you guys are weird ? what were you expecting ? its made to be portable so it had to be the size of a controller !

ya it made so it will fit in your hands

The controller fits in your hands, that's why it's a CONTROLLER.

And what's with all this fan boy bullpoop of "sexyness"? A naked girl is sexy. A black machine is not.

VF, what point are you trying to make? And I would call the PSP sleek if anything.

until mad catz or some third party developer makes the attachable ###### (private part for women) for the psp or ds, i really don't care which is "sexier" again alamgir is going back to his point of how nintendo is just kiddy games, when it obviously isn't

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A game that i heard that is also coming is the *gasp* Street Fighter Alpha. I am not sure if it would be a collection like what they did with Darkstalkers by putting all the graphics and moves from the 3 darkstalkers game and adding a little something into one game. but i think they will make it into a collection or whatever you call it.

that darkstalkers game was a direct port from the ps2 version, it's still not as good as the original vampire saviour was in the arcades. when you port a fighting game like that it runs much choppier, with frame skipping and the occasional lag...

Edited By ~Mastermax~ on 1117729295

My darkstalkers runs perfectly fine. Nintendo does have kiddy games, doesn't mean they're not good but most of nintendo's games are kiddy.

metriod prime is kiddy?
feel the magic is kiddy?
ages of empires 2 is kiddy?
games about being an attorney, or a surgeon are kiddy?

dubya tee eff do you call ape escape then?
or the fact that psp is getting kids movies such as "are we there yet"

the reason why nintendo has games that appeal to everyone is so that everyone can play their games.

why wouldn't you want a wider audience.

as far as i see it, kiddy games are ones that say the esrb rating for young kids...

also you can't see the frame skipping til you have played both the arcade game and the crappy port...

Edited By ~Mastermax~ on 1117729738

I have played the arcade version and my darkstalkers plays just as good, so don't call it crappy.

The PSP is getting all sorts of movies.

I said most of Nintendo's, not Sega's, not Majesco's but most of Nintendo's games are kiddy aka cartoony, bright and colourful not necessarily always rubbish.

The reviews say differently. I believe they say that the control is horrid in the PSP port.

Alamgir, you're not even sticking to your positions.

when I first argued this, you were 100% saying DS sucked, 100% saying it was for kids, 100% saying PSP is better.

Now look at you, you're switching the sides! Now "DS and PSP are both good".

You're running out of options, just concead.

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bright and colourful not necessarily always rubbish.

Are you fliping kidding me?

Someone kill this kid. He just called "bright colors" rubbish.

Let me remind you that the greatest games of out generation, those for the SNES, NES and N64 NEVER had to result to making a game of dark, less saturtade colors to make it aged for a differn market.

Sony and sony's third party game makers are just a bunch of fliping whores who follow trends, markets and demographics.

Horrid would be too harsh a judgement. Its different from the arcade port but the controls are fine when you get used to them. Its a great mobile fighting game and it'll be hard for any hand held to recreate arcade style gaming.

Its review scores are half decent too.

[quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]Alamgir, you're not even sticking to your positions.

when I first argued this, you were 100% saying DS sucked, 100% saying it was for kids, 100% saying PSP is better.

Now look at you, you're switching the sides! Now "DS and PSP are both good".

You're running out of options, just concead.[/quote]
I never said the DS was crap, I'll tell you that if I did I sure didn't mean it. But never have I considered it to be crap.

Did I say bright and colourful games are rubbish? What I was saying there was my definition of kiddy games. I was saying they're bright and colourful and how I didn't mean they're all rubbish.

Oh, and this game isn't bright and colorful?

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P...2.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

So, I guess this is a "kiddy" game, right? -_-

Never judge a book by its cover, never judge a game by its cover, judge it by its age rating.

See! YOU are judging books by saying that all colorful games are kiddy games.

(http://www.esrb.com)

Super Mario 64 DS - Everyone (6+)

Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith - Everyone 10+

WarioWare: Touched! - Everyone (6+)

Metroid Prime: Hunters - Teenager (13+)

Kirby: Canvas Curse - Everyone

The Urbz: Sims in the City - Everyone (6+)

Nintendogs: Chihuahua - Everyone

Yoshi Touch & Go - Everyone (6+)

Nintendogs: Shiba - Everyone

EVERYONE. EVERYONE can play nintendo's games, not just some pricks who take themselves to siriously they don't even think of having fun for once and stick to their key demographic.

Interesting.
Does anyone here own both systems?
i do. and let me tell you theyre both great.
Although the psp could use a bit more originality on the titles, instead of straight ea ports all the time.

[quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]See! YOU are judging books by saying that all colorful games are kiddy games.

(http://www.esrb.com)

Super Mario 64 DS - Everyone (6+)

Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith - Everyone 10+

WarioWare: Touched! - Everyone (6+)

Metroid Prime: Hunters - Teenager (13+)

Kirby: Canvas Curse - Everyone

The Urbz: Sims in the City - Everyone (6+)

Nintendogs: Chihuahua - Everyone

Yoshi Touch & Go - Everyone (6+)

Nintendogs: Shiba - Everyone

EVERYONE. EVERYONE can play nintendo's games, not just some pricks who take themselves to siriously they don't even think of having fun for once and stick to their key demographic.[/quote]
Yeah I know. Now you know when I say kiddy I mean games with a low age rating, colourful and cartoony. I never said they all sucked. Some of them do however.

Some of the games with higher age ratings suck too but some of them are good. I prefer some of the non kiddy games to the kiddy ones, because I believe they do provide me with more fun. Just because everyone can play a game that doesn't mean its good.

Then what's your fliping point? You go on and on how nintendo has "kiddy games", I disprove it then you back down from your argument.

-_-

How did I back down? Look here's the point i'm trying to make, the majority of Nintendo's games are kiddy but not all kiddy games are crap.

Then why even bring up? If you're not doing anything with the fact they are "kiddy" games, and admit that they don't suck, why ever say it?

It's like me going on and on how the PSP is too big but then admit that being big is a pretty good thing.

You're not making an assertive argument, you're dilly-dallying with the facts.

My original arguement was that the PSP is better than the DS, its not about the kiddy games.

And you havn't backed it up at all, you even started jumping positions once people out thought you.

Who has out thought me? No one has backed why they think the DS is better than the PSP any more than I have in this topic.

Fine. You forced me to. Prepare for a 5 post cataclism on why you're wrong!

Oh man why now, my holidays are about to finish and the last thing i wanna focus is on is preparing a debate in favour of a hand held with all these exams coming up. Something tells me whatever you say and whatever i say won't change anything but go on if you want to.

No, no, don't back out now, I've got 1178 words in my document and i'm barely disassabling your first post.

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Graphics are way more advanced than the DS.

So? Who cares to see two extra dimples on Peter Parker

stole the words out of my mouth, hibiki that is.

but another thing to add, the play yan will cost around $20, while the difference between the ds' and psp's prices is way more than $20...

Alamgir, i could tell you the same about the PSP games in about a year !
most of them will be KIDDY GAMES !

you see nintendo starts by the most biggest buyers !
the kids, then they go on with games you teens and adults will likes...
while sony and his PSP starts with a precise audience which bring cash but not so much and then do games for the kids cause the kids asked them to makes some for them !

so in the nutshell all console are kiddy consoles !
there is as much kiddy games on both consoles its just that you do not look at the right titles !
take my word, in exactly 1 year... the PSP and DS will have about the same number of kiddy games !

[color=#000000][quote]So? Who cares to see two extra dimples on Peter Parker

this is where the thing goes off alamgir... the gamelist itself !
the list you told us isn't even better then the DS lists !

you beg that PSP is better because of better games int he list... but thing is on that list much of these games aren't really that cool !
so you based all your arguments on a simple opinion of yours !
which wasn't all that maters !

graphics doesn't matter that much as the gameplay itself !
tell me are you playing DARKSTALKERS just for the characters because they looks cool or are you lking the game for its actual gameplay ?
that's what i thought... GTA was liked not for its graphical deals... believe me it could have been way graphiciers thern that ! yet people thought it was the most beautifull and gameplay wise the best game ever !

so the graphics doesn't give us much !
fact is... people want gameplay, they want a game that suits their style of play, may it be FPS, FIGHTING or ACTION SCROLLER or even BEAT EM UP (my personnal favorite)
so who cares if the PSP can do a lot more things then the DS ?
it costs less, have multiple games, of different styles to make people likes the different games their is, it offers variety which is the PSP up to now doesn't !

the different games the PSP offers are all games that has different styles but the PSP offers only old games revamped to fit the small screens !
come on, are you buying a handheld only for the games you already own ?
up to now i'm not impressed by sony's choice of games, i ask for variety for games i never seen up to now, or games that improve by a lot an already overused an engine !

i don't want ports !
i wants real gaming !
again, if you want gaming go with the DS, if ya want a MINI COMPUTER buy the PSP cause its what it is !

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Who cares about graphics? I care. IF we no one cares about graphics then why did why buy the DS? Why aren't we playing on GBA's, or N64's instead of Gamecubes? IF graphics weren't an issue than why are Nintendo making 3d games for the DS?

three problems with that.
1. you were probably one of the ps1 fanboys who played it while the n64 had much better graphics'
2. you just compared the n64 to ther gamecube which are completely different.
3. i still do play my n64, and i will be with my revolution eventually too. i don't play games for the graphics, i play them for a game thats fun.

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Some people might like the idea. But the main thing about the UMD is that it holds the games. 1.8gb of data can be stored allowing bigger and better games as more content can be stored.

did you just ignore all of vf's post right there, you justified making movies that are more expensive to buy that lose sound quality and video quality and can only be shown on a tiny little screen by saying that they hold more space?
who give a flying flip about the space if you are limited to how you can use.

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I can tell you I am quite happy with the mp3 playback on my PSP. I enjoy listening to music, what does intuition have to do with anything. Man I wonder if the DS had all this functionality what you would be saying. None of it is neccessary for a games machine but what harm is done with these extra features.

harm eh?
1. costs more becase of it.
2. increases the possibility for something to flip up.
3. it's just plain better to burn your mp3s to a cd that costs less than a dollars and read it on a cd player that costs 20 dollars.

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Err well you can communicate with psp, in fact I even know how to actually video chat with it, which is more than I can say for the DS. Oh yeah I guess thats another thing the apparently usless USB connectivity can offer. You can also surf the internet with the PSP and download a variety of things. Can the DS do that? No.

why would you want to sit at home right next to your computor and surf the internet with your psp, which can't be that easy because it only has a analog stick, when you could just use the fliping computor your psp is attached to?

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Likewise you can also sit at home , turn your games console on and play games with friends there on a big screen with surround sound too. So why buy a DS or a PSP especially with DS's two smaller more pixelated screens which don't even look capable of 3d games most of the time?

portable gaming system were made to be played portable, which many of the psps's features can't. the DS however was completely made for gaming on the go. the PSP (that is playstation portable) is not even easy to carry around without fear of scratching or dropping the huge ass window to uselessness on the ground.

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In my opinion the games for PSP are better than the games than the games on the DS, review scores also prove this.

the psp is just a system for sony to port all of their games to, so they make double the money.

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When, you kind of have a digital camera in your house. You take a picture, transfer it to your psp using that "useless" USB connectivity and use wifi to send it to a friend.

or you could take a picture transfer it to your computor and host it on photo bucket for everyone to see.

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Price isn't really an issue here for me. The DS is a weaker console. The PSP costs more but does more.

the psp costs more for useless poop as i have completely said in the paragraphs above

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I'm sorry but when I play games i'd usually rather drive a car then a cart, shoot, stab, punch, kick or blow up an enemy then jump on them and save the world from a nuclear holocaust then save a princess who gets kidnapped a lot. The games in my opinion are better.

ok good for you, i hardly see what that has to do with anything at all

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The screen of the PSP is much bigger and brighter than any of the nintendo ds's screens. I'd rather see 16.77 million colours than 260 000.

at least the DS can keep all of their colors running longer, and without dead pixels.

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With the PSP USB connectivity I can download updates giving me access to new software, while all anyone will ever be able to do with a DS other than play games is talking with people and drawing funny shapes with a digital crayon (get what I mean by kiddy?).

again you could just use the computor that yoiu are using right now to do the exact same thing but without limitations. and the DS is an artists dream, my frend who wasn't a fan of nintendo got it for the sole purpose of the stylus. thus i received messages with high quality pictures drawn onto them in the middle of math class almost everyday, which invokes a competitive game of mario between the four people with a DS (well five, but flip that other kid)

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You don't have to wath UMD movies. You can easily d/l any sort of movie to your psp from pc. So you can go outside and sit in a park and enjoy in the summer breeze.

yes you can download a pirated version of a movie on the internet, then change it into mpeg-4 format, than delete everything on your memory stick, then go enjoy that rainy day of yours...

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I just think the PSP's better than the DS simply because it offers more and mainly because I like the games list.

the thing to do here would be lineup both future game lists and proove that the DS is better, but i'm sure that's been done several times.

Graphics help good games out, some of the good games out have really good graphics.

And by games list, I meant current games list. Just check out the review scores at gamespot, 10 psp games have a rating of 8 or more, while only 1 has the same on DS. And in your opinion the future games are better, but thats just your opinion. PSP doesn't offer a variety of games? You say you like beat em ups, so far there are none on the DS. So much for variety...

Ok, it seems we're going over the same things again and again here. My opinion hasn't budged.

Edited By alamgir on 1117903132

as there are none on the psp, except that poopty port of darstalkers. and karma don't diss the vampire saviour, it only sucked on the psp...