Without major change,this game'll be devoid of fun - As well as vets. a plea from the heart.

[viper2040]

Any No 0bs who want to rant or rave are not welcome here.
Wrestlemania especially is not allowed here--he ruines all my topics.

Nobody except n0 0bs cares about rank. I remember in my first days, all i cared about was rank. and this game was entertaining because of that. I had to be the best.

I now realize that rank means nothing--top 100 is dominated primarily by cheaters (boot u duing host game), n0 0b killers, and people who stay up 24-7 getting rank.

Without some sort of massive change, all vets will go the way of Stealth Dragon and TarkanX--embittered and enraged by n0 0b killers, and bored by the lackluster battles to the point of retiring from battles, rarely to be seen again.

We need a new ranking system to allow people to know who will give them a good challenge, and to suppress n0 0b killers.

In addition, we need more people to help regulate the forums and games. The games are being ruined by flooders and offensive n0 0bs.

Please, if any mods/Admins/Sysops are reading this, postpone any updates until you fix these more pressing issues. Updates cure the symptoms...you need to cure the problem. New characters can only keep vets for so long. If something is not done, then i too shall retire.
"There is no point in living if you cannot feel alive."

[hadoken king]

Yep I agree with you viper a new ranking system needs to be implemented I liked troy88's Idea you mod's should check it out if the thread is still up.....

EDIT:yes it is I just checked go here http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/cgi-bin....3;t=470 (http://nferno666.sytes.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=10671)

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Addressing everything in turn...

Nobody except n0 0bs cares about rank. I remember in my first days, all i cared about was rank. and this game was entertaining because of that. I had to be the best.

I now realize that rank means nothing--top 100 is dominated primarily by cheaters (boot u duing host game), n0 0b killers, and people who stay up 24-7 getting rank.

Without some sort of massive change, all vets will go the way of Stealth Dragon and TarkanX--embittered and enraged by n0 0b killers, and bored by the lackluster battles to the point of retiring from battles, rarely to be seen again.

We need a new ranking system to allow people to know who will give them a good challenge, and to suppress n0 0b killers.

In case you hadn't already noticed. All/most of the vets have already left. Very few remain... and what do will probably leave (which by now are all forum junkies). "Newer vets" will come to replace them as time passes... then they'll leave too. Nothing can be done to stop that.

Adressing the ranking issue... Because of lag, there is NO way to make a "perfect" rank system. A multi-ladder system is the closest thing that can be done right now, but I know TMy's open to suggestions on how to improve it. Once/if we get a "story mode," I'll make sure to bug him about a highscores.. :biggrin:

In addition, we need more people to help regulate the forums and games. The games are being ruined by flooders and offensive n0 0bs.

I'd like to bring a few other quotes in at this point...


Zing79's post:
"did anybody read TMyApp's post about how it would take a poopload of coding to give someone else mod status...read the the topic started by token.
and IF he ever did give out new mod status to ppl, it should be those who give back to the game, like warmor (hes got the official website)..

in every single mirc channel you dont get ops status by simply being a nice, smart guy, or being online all the time...you do something good for the channel, and you get mod status

I dont see it being any different in here...do something for the game, (like say start a tournament, and build a neatass website for it :biggrin: ), and you'll get ops status.

but dont expect it to happen any time soon anyway...hes got no intention of writing code for that right now...hes concentrating on the game right now" -Zing79

TMyApp 1st post:
"1: we can't just "get new mods"... mods have a "power" above normal users (as well as limited limited access to the main server)... and i'm not about to hand that "power" to just anyone...

2: i keep saying this: no mod has ever asked to be a mod... it will STAY this way....

3: smackdown is there to enforce the profanity filter, and, to enforce account bans... (he does that so damn well ) ... u have more "words" to add to the filter, fine.. send em my way.. (but not one per day or anything crazy like that.. get a nice long list goin b4 u send me the email)

and next time u complain.. just remmemba... @least we're tryin to enforce the law around here... i dont see too many of the "big games" (quake, cstrike... u name it) care and/or have even half as many features as we do.... "

TMyApp's 2nd post:
"a moderator (or a "mod") is that special someone who is hand-picked by TMyApp himself (no one knows how or why exactly... *cough*) to represent the XvsSF community... its standards, rules and values...

...no mod has EVER asked to be a mod, and it will always remain this way

but... sooner or later (or @least it seems that way) every mod falls to the "mod curse"... and while they are around and active for quite some time... once the curse sets in... they just vanish...

"It happened before, and it will happen again. It is just a matter of time..." -Armageddon (the movie)

for now, there is NO known cure for the "mod curse"... "

Considering those 3 posts, you should easily come to the conclusion that giving out modships isn't as easy as it would appear. Right now there's NO more then 4 people that even "behave" well enough at this to even be considered for that kind of position. Let alone chosen.

TMyApp has already turned the forum's filter on, added the bots to the chat, and even made that "######" section for the forum (thanks to SSJKarma's advice). There's not really much else that can be done. All the current mods are busy/distracted with life, and I doubt any more will be added to the roster now/any time soon...

Please, if any mods/Admins/Sysops are reading this, postpone any updates until you fix these more pressing issues. Updates cure the symptoms...you need to cure the problem. New characters can only keep vets for so long. If something is not done, then i too shall retire.
"There is no point in living if you cannot feel alive."

Well, for one, only Sysops can update the game, and only sysops are admins here. As for the ###### problem? I'm certain TMyApp is welcome to any/all ideas about new ranking systems and non-mod alternatives to keep spammers and "junk" posters to a minimum in the forum.

[viper2040]

well, heres my system

Player1 was the winner, and had a higher rank. Player 2 is the loser. And we're assuming that they are both using registered, non-"player" names (ie: player64)

(2*P2's points)
----------------------------------- minus .75*(rank difference)
(wins)

~~~~~~Player1:~~~~~~~~Player2:
score=~~16946~~~~~~~~~16146
rank=~~~9~~~~~~~~~~~~35
wins:~~~111~~~~~~~~~~526
losses:~~32~~~~~~~~~~~122
Player 1 wins
score:

32292
------- = 64
526

64-(.75*26)=44.5
Player1 gets 45 points (rounded up)

Additionally, there would be a minimum score system as follows:

Rank Difference~~~minimum score:(to prevent negative scores)
1-50~~~~~~~~27
51-200~~~~~~~23
201-500~~~~~~19
501-2000~~~~~14
2001-5000~~~~11
5001-10000~~~~8
10000+~~~~~~~5



so, if this happens,
player 1 player 2
rank = 1 rank = 13000
points= 6000 points = 345

the winner will be player 2
790
---------------- - (.75*12999) = -9726
45 (including the lose he already got)

the score becomes the min for a rank difference of 12999--4 points



Beat that

[viper2040]

as for the mod thing, i never said TMyApp would make more mods...i said we needed more people to enforce the rules. Smackdown sux, as does infinity bot. How about some snitchers, or "hall monitors"? or even,
a "mark for moderation" button in these forums? (see www.gamefaqs.com)

[DX Zero]

lmfao! thats a great idea.. but um yeah i think we already have some of those *cough* :biggrin:

[SSJKarma]

i'm with 2000warrior on this !

even if tmyapp gives mod power to someone else, would he even used it once ? i know i would get somethings done in the first moment just for fun of using that kind of power, but after it is just like going to work, and i would be less and less there ! that means that even if he give powers it probably won't solve the problems !

i mean the best example is warmor...
he did things at first but now he is less and less active !

no, adding more mods will definetely won't help that much.
i go with the bots too, they do their jobs, but it is true that they are quite buggy !
example:
- they kick for no reason (lots of thread that say so)
- they are easily bypassed (need more words)
- they don't kick lots of people that use bullpoop words !

but they are what they are and they are the best we can have !
at least you can still give idea to help the place... (queue to the ###### section idea ) :D

now i got a big question to tmyapp...
why did you filter the "n e w b i e" ?

[Troy88]

Viper: I completely understand your plea, at least as far as the rankings are concerned. Fighting for rank is what made this game appealing to me when I started. The competitiveness is what made it all worth while.

Because, let's be honest here. This game, while it does have it's appeal (the "appeal" being able to play people from all around the world, basically), it doesn't measure up to the arcade version, and it never will, if for no other reason, the fact that there will always be lag involved in an online game. There are no air combos in this game, no grabs, and half the time, you don't even know if you're doing anything to your opponent. I started playing this game in the first place, because I WAS a fan of the arcade version (and was pretty damn good at it too, I might add), and to be perfectly honest, I didn't think much of this the first time I played. My first reaction (as I'm sure is the case with all n 0 0 b s ) was "why the hell aren't my attacks doing anything to my opponent." Then I realized that there weren't any air combos, no grabs, and limited special moves. Plus, it severely annoyed me that I couldn't use my gamepad for my PC to play (who the hell really enjoys using the keyboard, anyways).

I probably would have quit altogether if I hadn't noticed the top scores. The idea of building a reputation in an online community was very appealing to me, despite the fact that the game had been simplified. So I kept playing the game, and eventually started to like the game, even with all of it's flaws and shortcomings. It seemed reminiscient of old school Street Fighter 2, only with Street Fighter AND X-Men characters. That was good enough for me, because a TRUE X-Men vs. Street Fighter arcade experience, with people that I didn't know, just seemed impossible, without actually going to an arcade. I played and I played, learned several 'lag' strategies, and even made it to #1 at one time. I consider that time my 'prime,' because I played and enjoyed the game the most at that time.
However...

The same "appeal" that the topscores offered was a double-edged sword. Right about the same time that I reached #1 for the first and only time, there was someone else that was putting extreme pressure on me to keep it. It was fun at first, I have to admit. But after busting my ass to get to #1 in the first place, it got old...quick. This guy (don't even remember who it is, anymore) would literally fight all day, and I just couldn't keep up with him. After finally accepting that I'd never be a legend like Nferno and many others, I let him have the top spot. Just for the hell of it, I challenged him to a fight. He denied my challenge several times, and even avoided me for a while, but finally he gave in and gave me a fight. Imagine my surprise when I was able to defeat him with ease, 6 rounds in a row. I couldn't believe it. I felt like I was being mocked. I was thinking, "this is the kind of fighter that can out rank me?"

Up to that point, I didn't really have a good understanding of how the rank system worked. But after taking a close look at how it was set up, I began to realize....

...That all you have to do is kill n 0 0 b s all day to stay on top. I was fighting everyone when I worked my way to the top, and I was almost completely oblivious to how the ranks worked. My competition (the one who wouldn't let me have #1 for more than 5 minutes at a time, who had an almost flawless record), however, had a different strategy. He did fight just as many people as I did. But he didn't fight everyone. He was very selective about who he fought.

After realizing all this, I began to lose interest in the game, slowly but surely. It is a simple game, and it truly doesn't take long to master it. 90% of all the vets use an almost identical strategy with Ryu, and in all honesty, a match between two veteran Ryu users can go either way. At my prime, I consider myself to have been an equal with Nferno, and all the other top vets in the game. Does that sound conceited? I don't give a damn. It's the truth, and I think you all know what I'm talking about. You can only get so good at a game that is as simple as this, and furthermore, strategy will only take you so far in a game that is flawed with lag, that can make or break even the best of players.

Having said all that, it would only make sense that a simple game would get boring. Would you sit around and play Super Mario Brothers 1 day in, and day out? I wouldn't.

The topscores made the game interesting in my early days, and even to a small extent right before I completely lost interest. A simple game by itself will get boring. But...a simple game that offers competition among it's community, through the use of a top scores feature, is interesting. Or WAS interesting, up until I realized how easily a n 0 0 b-killer could come along, and take your spot away from you. If that's what it takes to stay on top, then I'd rather not be on top.

Now some of you might think or say, "you shouldn't just fight for rank, blah, blah, blah..." Save it. My argument is a hell of a lot more logical than that one liner. Competition is fun. You want the vets to stay? Make the game fun for them. Once they realize that the ranks are bull sh*t, and catered towards n 0 0 b-killers, they become inactive. It happened with me, it happened with Tarkan, and I'm sure it will happen with many others. If you can honestly tell me that you never once played with the prospect of being #1 in your head, AND that you still play the game as much as you did in your early days, then I'll shutup. But I think most of you know I'm right.

Some of the veterans here have caught on to the fact that the "competition" is what made the game so much fun, and started weekly tournaments, and other events. Now, having participated in one of the weekly tournaments, I must say, it was quite refreshing to fight others of equal (and even higher, in a few cases) skill level. It felt like the old days all over again. I have to give KKS props for doing what he's doing. However, tournaments around here are notorious for no shows. I'm not really blaming anyone...but the fact remains, no shows are a serious problem. Tournaments would be so much better if everyone that signed up, would show up. The other disadvantage to tournaments is (to me personally, anyways) that I don't like keeping appointments. I realize that this is the reason there are no-shows in the first place, but the difference is, I make sure I can be there the day that it is scheduled if I sign up. That's why the rank system could be so much better than it is. It could offer us the competition we crave, if only it were to be tweaked a little bit.

Well, I'm done talking about ranks and n 0 0 b-killers for the time being. Seems like I get all worked up, then nobody (except for TarkanX) listens to what I have to say. But if anything I've said makes any sense to you, then please, for the love of God, check out the link in my sig. I have a great idea of what can be done to discourage n 0 0 b-killing, but what good is a great idea if it gets no support. Honestly, I don't think it will make much of a difference anyways. TMyApp pretty much does what he wants to do, it's very rare that anyone's suggestions get taken seriously.




Now, about this "MOD" status B.S., I agree and disagree with you at the same time, 2000warrior. As far as moderating the chat room, I don't blame TMyApp for not wanting to go to the extra work of coding in a new MOD. I wouldn't want to do it. But at the same time, why should we all be expected to run around like little snitches, and email TMyApp every time someone comes in the chat room and starts cussing everyone out? It doesn't bother me (personally) enough to do anything about it. So what if someone has a filthy mouth. Welcome to the real world. If you people are offended so easily, what are you going to do when you work in a factory, with some foul-mouthed old-timer at your side, that won't shutup for a second. The sooner you learn how to deal with the @ssholes of the world, and stop your bitching, the better off you'll be in the longrun. You can't censor the entire world, you know.

The only thing I'd like to see changed in the chat room is the spamming. I can't get that /ignore feature to work for some reason, and sometimes people come in there and just type random characters over and over and hit enter. It's quite frustrating....

What I don't understand is, why can't there be more MODs in the forum? Is there some sort of law that says a MOD in the forum has to be a MOD in the chat room?

Now, here's the part where I specifically disagree with you, 2000warrior. You, Zing79 (from your quote), and even TMyApp speak of MOD status more like Deity status. It's not that big of a deal to moderate a forum, seriously. Give back to the community? Give me a break. That's probably why Warmor doesn't spend much time here in the first place, because he's too busy "giving back to the community" working on his website, to stop all the idiots from spamming around here. Why the hell do we have a locked sticky topic (projectz)? I've been here a long time, and I rarely see Warmor post, even when I first started.

The only criteria for a forum moderator should be that he/she spends a lot of time in the forum, is mature, will actually enforce the rules, and will treat everyone fairly, despite past rivalries/beefs with another member of the forum. That's it. "Giving back to the community" by making nifty little websites does not determine how good of a forum moderator he or she will be. Some people don't even know how to use HTML. Does that mean they aren't mature enough to moderate a forum? Does that mean they aren't capable of enforcing simple rules? I see people spamming, flaming, and being disrespectful left and right around here, and I don't see the people who have "given back to the community" doing a damn thing about it.

Also, I seem to be getting the impression that you have to kiss ass to become a moderator. Being on your best behavior, never swearing, etc, etc. Well I would like to point out that acheiving MOD status cleans up your act all by itself, to some extent. Take KKS for example. He used to flame, swear, and make fun of n 0 0 b s (not that I have a problem with it, I'm just saying...). But if you read his posts at the Senshuk forum, he was like a different person; he was helpful, considerate, and enforced the rules, just like he was supposed to. In other words, he did an excellent job. But if we were to discriminate against him because of his past flames and n 0 0 b-bashing, we never would have known it, would we? Having responsibility makes you more responsible.

[sexyass]

OF COURSE RANK MEANS NOTHIN.SINCE EVERYONE IS GOING CRAZY ABOUT RANK WE CAN DELETE THE WHOLE SYSTEM.

[Kingryu1]

noob. ur one of those ppl who only cares about rank so shut up. and there's to many long posts!?!? :laugh:

[sexyass]

no i dont dick man

[Kingryu1]

no i dont got dick man
o. so the truth finally comes out. :lol:

[machine1]

:lol: lmao

[hadoken king]

Viper: I completely understand your plea, at least as far as the rankings are concerned. Fighting for rank is what made this game appealing to me when I started. The competitiveness is what made it all worth while.

Because, let's be honest here. This game, while it does have it's appeal (the "appeal" being able to play people from all around the world, basically), it doesn't measure up to the arcade version, and it never will, if for no other reason, the fact that there will always be lag involved in an online game. There are no air combos in this game, no grabs, and half the time, you don't even know if you're doing anything to your opponent. I started playing this game in the first place, because I WAS a fan of the arcade version (and was pretty damn good at it too, I might add), and to be perfectly honest, I didn't think much of this the first time I played. My first reaction (as I'm sure is the case with all n 0 0 b s ) was "why the hell aren't my attacks doing anything to my opponent." Then I realized that there weren't any air combos, no grabs, and limited special moves. Plus, it severely annoyed me that I couldn't use my gamepad for my PC to play (who the hell really enjoys using the keyboard, anyways).

I probably would have quit altogether if I hadn't noticed the top scores. The idea of building a reputation in an online community was very appealing to me, despite the fact that the game had been simplified. So I kept playing the game, and eventually started to like the game, even with all of it's flaws and shortcomings. It seemed reminiscient of old school Street Fighter 2, only with Street Fighter AND X-Men characters. That was good enough for me, because a TRUE X-Men vs. Street Fighter arcade experience, with people that I didn't know, just seemed impossible, without actually going to an arcade. I played and I played, learned several 'lag' strategies, and even made it to #1 at one time. I consider that time my 'prime,' because I played and enjoyed the game the most at that time.
However...

The same "appeal" that the topscores offered was a double-edged sword. Right about the same time that I reached #1 for the first and only time, there was someone else that was putting extreme pressure on me to keep it. It was fun at first, I have to admit. But after busting my ass to get to #1 in the first place, it got old...quick. This guy (don't even remember who it is, anymore) would literally fight all day, and I just couldn't keep up with him. After finally accepting that I'd never be a legend like Nferno and many others, I let him have the top spot. Just for the hell of it, I challenged him to a fight. He denied my challenge several times, and even avoided me for a while, but finally he gave in and gave me a fight. Imagine my surprise when I was able to defeat him with ease, 6 rounds in a row. I couldn't believe it. I felt like I was being mocked. I was thinking, "this is the kind of fighter that can out rank me?"

Up to that point, I didn't really have a good understanding of how the rank system worked. But after taking a close look at how it was set up, I began to realize....

...That all you have to do is kill n 0 0 b s all day to stay on top. I was fighting everyone when I worked my way to the top, and I was almost completely oblivious to how the ranks worked. My competition (the one who wouldn't let me have #1 for more than 5 minutes at a time, who had an almost flawless record), however, had a different strategy. He did fight just as many people as I did. But he didn't fight everyone. He was very selective about who he fought.

After realizing all this, I began to lose interest in the game, slowly but surely. It is a simple game, and it truly doesn't take long to master it. 90% of all the vets use an almost identical strategy with Ryu, and in all honesty, a match between two veteran Ryu users can go either way. At my prime, I consider myself to have been an equal with Nferno, and all the other top vets in the game. Does that sound conceited? I don't give a damn. It's the truth, and I think you all know what I'm talking about. You can only get so good at a game that is as simple as this, and furthermore, strategy will only take you so far in a game that is flawed with lag, that can make or break even the best of players.

Having said all that, it would only make sense that a simple game would get boring. Would you sit around and play Super Mario Brothers 1 day in, and day out? I wouldn't.

The topscores made the game interesting in my early days, and even to a small extent right before I completely lost interest. A simple game by itself will get boring. But...a simple game that offers competition among it's community, through the use of a top scores feature, is interesting. Or WAS interesting, up until I realized how easily a n 0 0 b-killer could come along, and take your spot away from you. If that's what it takes to stay on top, then I'd rather not be on top.

Now some of you might think or say, "you shouldn't just fight for rank, blah, blah, blah..." Save it. My argument is a hell of a lot more logical than that one liner. Competition is fun. You want the vets to stay? Make the game fun for them. Once they realize that the ranks are bull sh*t, and catered towards n 0 0 b-killers, they become inactive. It happened with me, it happened with Tarkan, and I'm sure it will happen with many others. If you can honestly tell me that you never once played with the prospect of being #1 in your head, AND that you still play the game as much as you did in your early days, then I'll shutup. But I think most of you know I'm right.

Some of the veterans here have caught on to the fact that the "competition" is what made the game so much fun, and started weekly tournaments, and other events. Now, having participated in one of the weekly tournaments, I must say, it was quite refreshing to fight others of equal (and even higher, in a few cases) skill level. It felt like the old days all over again. I have to give KKS props for doing what he's doing. However, tournaments around here are notorious for no shows. I'm not really blaming anyone...but the fact remains, no shows are a serious problem. Tournaments would be so much better if everyone that signed up, would show up. The other disadvantage to tournaments is (to me personally, anyways) that I don't like keeping appointments. I realize that this is the reason there are no-shows in the first place, but the difference is, I make sure I can be there the day that it is scheduled if I sign up. That's why the rank system could be so much better than it is. It could offer us the competition we crave, if only it were to be tweaked a little bit.

Well, I'm done talking about ranks and n 0 0 b-killers for the time being. Seems like I get all worked up, then nobody (except for TarkanX) listens to what I have to say. But if anything I've said makes any sense to you, then please, for the love of God, check out the link in my sig. I have a great idea of what can be done to discourage n 0 0 b-killing, but what good is a great idea if it gets no support. Honestly, I don't think it will make much of a difference anyways. TMyApp pretty much does what he wants to do, it's very rare that anyone's suggestions get taken seriously.




Now, about this "MOD" status B.S., I agree and disagree with you at the same time, 2000warrior. As far as moderating the chat room, I don't blame TMyApp for not wanting to go to the extra work of coding in a new MOD. I wouldn't want to do it. But at the same time, why should we all be expected to run around like little snitches, and email TMyApp every time someone comes in the chat room and starts cussing everyone out? It doesn't bother me (personally) enough to do anything about it. So what if someone has a filthy mouth. Welcome to the real world. If you people are offended so easily, what are you going to do when you work in a factory, with some foul-mouthed old-timer at your side, that won't shutup for a second. The sooner you learn how to deal with the @ssholes of the world, and stop your bitching, the better off you'll be in the longrun. You can't censor the entire world, you know.

The only thing I'd like to see changed in the chat room is the spamming. I can't get that /ignore feature to work for some reason, and sometimes people come in there and just type random characters over and over and hit enter. It's quite frustrating....

What I don't understand is, why can't there be more MODs in the forum? Is there some sort of law that says a MOD in the forum has to be a MOD in the chat room?

Now, here's the part where I specifically disagree with you, 2000warrior. You, Zing79 (from your quote), and even TMyApp speak of MOD status more like Deity status. It's not that big of a deal to moderate a forum, seriously. Give back to the community? Give me a break. That's probably why Warmor doesn't spend much time here in the first place, because he's too busy "giving back to the community" working on his website, to stop all the idiots from spamming around here. Why the hell do we have a locked sticky topic (projectz)? I've been here a long time, and I rarely see Warmor post, even when I first started.

The only criteria for a forum moderator should be that he/she spends a lot of time in the forum, is mature, will actually enforce the rules, and will treat everyone fairly, despite past rivalries/beefs with another member of the forum. That's it. "Giving back to the community" by making nifty little websites does not determine how good of a forum moderator he or she will be. Some people don't even know how to use HTML. Does that mean they aren't mature enough to moderate a forum? Does that mean they aren't capable of enforcing simple rules? I see people spamming, flaming, and being disrespectful left and right around here, and I don't see the people who have "given back to the community" doing a damn thing about it.

Also, I seem to be getting the impression that you have to kiss ass to become a moderator. Being on your best behavior, never swearing, etc, etc. Well I would like to point out that acheiving MOD status cleans up your act all by itself, to some extent. Take KKS for example. He used to flame, swear, and make fun of n 0 0 b s (not that I have a problem with it, I'm just saying...). But if you read his posts at the Senshuk forum, he was like a different person; he was helpful, considerate, and enforced the rules, just like he was supposed to. In other words, he did an excellent job. But if we were to discriminate against him because of his past flames and n 0 0 b-bashing, we never would have known it, would we? Having responsibility makes you more responsible.
Damn that was long I only read the noob killer part and I agree with eveything you said troy :thumbsup: especially about being number 1 even I was ranked 1 in this game before but I had to work my ass of to keep it because this noob killer was right behind me he never slept all he did was play this game all day but when I fought him he sucked like hell's so I thought if a noob killer like him sucks that much and is ranked second it doesn't make a difference if he's ranked one I'm still better than him anways. I like what you said here to:
At my prime, I consider myself to have been an equal with Nferno, and all the other top vets in the game.
I consider my self to be an equal with them even now because you can only get so good at this game.........basically all u have to do is hyper jump and throw hadoken's....hyper jump throw hadoken's.......hyper jump super oh yeah don't forget to kick while you in the air, but I can't even hyper these days *cough lag* but this game is pretty simple but I like what KKS is doing with the WT gg KKS it's making this game fun again :thumbsup:

[Toon-Ryu]

noooowwwwwwww i am confused

[sexyass]

do u need to post that much i cant even read that #### or try too

[viper2040]

'scuse my language, but....YOU ASSHOLES!!!!! DID U NOT SEE THE PART ABOUT NO NO OBS IN THIS TOPIC?????/

STOP RANTING, YOU IMMATURE, INCONSIDERATE PUNKS (sexyass, kingryu, machine1, Toon Ryu)

PLEASE LEAVE....NOW!!!!!!!!!

[TarkanX]

Yes we all quit, I would've quit back in december, I fulfilled what I wanted, winning a tourney.... anyways, just leave the score, if you don't like ##### beating up eachother, don't talk about it. I agree with you Viper, but why not just join the weekly tournies, sure it's not the same like ranks, but there are points. Or if your bored, fight not because of ranks. Or go to the arcade, or invite your friends over to play over your house, or play an emulator or something.


Everyone goes, people known from August, September, October, November, December, January, February, March, etc.... they left. Most of them left.

Every vet leaves. WHy are you preaching that they should come back. It's like life, your born, you explore life, you die, the end. But in this game, you join the game, you explore it, then you leave, game over. If they do come back(for a reunion), I'd just greet them, but other than that, I stopped caring. Just play the game. I tried making a rank system, it didn't work, so just play the game, even if there are #### killers that don't challenge you.

If you want points so badly, go on a user name like "dUmB aSs".

[machine1]

'scuse my language, but....YOU ASSHOLES!!!!! DID U NOT SEE THE PART ABOUT NO NO OBS IN THIS TOPIC?????/

STOP RANTING, YOU IMMATURE, INCONSIDERATE PUNKS (sexyass, kingryu, machine1, Toon Ryu)

PLEASE LEAVE....NOW!!!!!!!!!
calling me a punk #### u

[QUIET_KILLER]

Troy88 I agree with you 100% and by reading this post and story and history lesson..I may have just come up with an idea that might just work!!! Of course i would have to talk to tmyapp alone so that he alone could approve this new idea that i had..Thx troy88 *sigh* unfortunately tmyapp super advancely busy*So it may be a longwhile before we could ever talk man*Sniff *SniFf* :( ???

Troy88: You of all people should know that that "responsibilities" don't make you "responsible." Ahh well... I'll just leave a nice lenghty post for yer's to read since that's the kinda language you/we speak in...


About this rank B.S... I agree with you and don't at the same time, Troy88.. :biggrin:

Nobody would last long in xvssf without a points system. Why? Because there's no point in fighting. Hundreds of "######s" come and go every day, and just because of the staggering magnanimity of it, we have to have a points for people to base themselves off of (as well as to give them something to "shoot" for).

Everyone that I've known in this online game has played for the soul purpose of being getting a better rank and being called "the best" when they first joined. The ambition of being called "the best" just fills everyone's mind at one time or another. Is it something that needs to be stopped?

Not necissarily. Even if it were possible to create an "efficient" ranking system that was somehow based on how good you are, it still wouldn't stop people from lossing interest and bitching about it. And what would happen then? The people that cosistantly hold the top ranks would grow bored, quit carring, and leave.

People leave the game, not because it's "simple", but because it's the same thing. Ever single game you'll ever play, you'll get tired of at one point or another, no matter how simple or complex. Games like Pac Man compared to games like Load Runner prove this every day. While Load Runner is extremely complex, it gets boring in that you don't accomplish much and everything is just puzzles, whereas Pac Man is graphically and designed "simple", it's still something adictive because of its points system.

But back to the points system. Without a points system that allows players to surpass others, the guys at the top inevitablly will quit, because of lack of necessity to play. The points system we have now is rather "radical" and people have to play constantly to get to the top (whether you ###### kill or not). A points system that would keep the top players up there, would seem pretty neet at first... but then they'd just learn that they don't have to fight very much to retain their position, and eventually lose interest (which is inevitable in either case).

If ever there comes a proposal for a good ranking system in the game that will both include "skills" and the necessity to fight constantly, I'll be all for it. But until that day, I'm perfectly content with what we have. Hell everyone who bitches about it doesn't even fight anymore, so what's their problem?


Anyways, adressing the Mod issue...

TMyApp NEVER once said to start giving names or SN's of people. He simply wants a more efficient chat filter. One thing you oucht to remember is the "turning on" of the forum's filter. Before that, people complained, dissed, and all out ####-talked non-stop. As bad as I "think" Luna disses people, outbursts from ramziel and Subzeroninja were like reading walls in the bathrooms of school.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against swearing. I swear more then anyone I know, and I couldn't care less about how many times some angry #### calls me a "fag" or "######." But you have to realize that people play this game that arn't even in high school yet, and this is supposed to be a "family freindly" game. I agree with your statement "The sooner you learn how to deal with the @ssholes of the world, and stop your bitching, the better off you'll be in the longrun." But since it's commonplace with humans to let society set their boundaries, things like swearing can/will disturb people for no reason then that they've been raised their entire life to think that it's "bad" (not to mention creating the overall atmosphere of the game rather poopy).

A couple links that (might) make you understand a little better just why TMy is trying to moderate profanity:
Discussion about posiblility of a forum filter (http://nferno666.sytes.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4923)
Forum Filter being turned on (http://nferno666.sytes.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=5805)

Last thing I'll say about swearing is that this IS a FREE GAME. If you don't like how TMy's running it with filters, you're MORE then welcome to leave.


Modship being a diety? That pretty much says it all. Having a "modship" in THIS forum isn't because you've been picked to help deal with the #### problem, and I doubt it ever was. Just look at the first mods, ewalk and Lordcyris. ewalk immidiatly was respected for his posts and tournament hosting, and Lordcyris for his posts and winning the tournament. The next one, Zing79 hosted 3 TOC's and created Senshukentaikai. Quass co-created Senshuk and helped him with the TOC's. Warmor created the first "official" website, and his comics.

What I'm trying to say here is, no mod has gotten their "priviledge" by being able to enforce the law... in fact, they've all done rather rotten jobs of it. After the first week(s), ewalk left, Lordcyris didn't/hasn't been around for a LONG time, Zing79 almost left exclusively to Senshuk once that was made, same with Quass, and Warmor never has been posting much around the official forum since the "olden days." It's quite obvious that TMy and leftyfb don't give modships to people that can/will enforce the law. I think of the modships as sort of a "prize" that gets awarded to the people that "give back" to the game (as Zing79 so well put it). Just as a tournament winner has the chance to possibly get a prize, a person who "help out" frequently and for long periods of time has the chance to be "awarded" a modship.

The criteria has always been that way, and always should be.

As for "having responsibility makes you responsible," I hate to diss anyone (especially my freinds) but contrary to what you think, KidKrazypoop never was a good admin at Senshuk (and none of them were after Zing79 and Quass). After getting a modship, he did the same thing most people do and did a few "quick" supervisions and such, then just rolled back and "let ####" happen. I mean, honestly, not a single justified ban (other then the regular mega-man) until THE LAST day?? People got away with everything at Senshuk (posting in registration topics for no reason, spamming, posting h8te 24/7, etc.) and the only person that I ever saw trying to stop that was Quass (who should have been retired). Now that the forum is gone, KidKrazypoop is the same guy he always was, and I don't exactly see him dissing ######s constantly.

Having responsibility doesn't make you responsible. What happened to Warmor? How often does he update HIS site? What about the jerk that hosted CCF? His tournament had about 8% participation, do you call that responsible? Zing79 and Quass have been/were responsible FAR before they had responsibilities, and they still continue to be responsible.

What I really think you're getting at there is having responsiblility makes YOU care about how OTHER people think about you. Just think, if people you're moderating don't respect you, how hard is it going to be to do the moderation? Almost impossible. This is proven by how Quass actually tried to enforce the laws at Senshuk, and how everyone started jumping on him once he did. Why? Because they weren't used to actually HAVING to follow the rules. Whereas when someone like KidKrazypoop or me tried to tell them to stop, they just ignored it. Too add to that, it's just no fun moderating a bunch of people that don't like you. How you "make" them like you, is by "meeting their expectations," whether it's being helpful or not enforcing the laws. Zing79 and Quass have been responsible all along, that's why they didn't just "let ####" happen @ Senshuk, that's why they were/are good mods, and that's why they're respected.

I hope that has cleared up most/all of your discrepencies (even though I know it has fallen upon deaf ears).

[SSJKarma]

i'll be short, cause i didn't want to read those too long post you all made !

1 - the rank does sux, now stop complaining about it cause TMYAPP ALREADY KNOW THIS !

2 - the ranking system cannot be deleted ! reason, it's what people loves in here... i don't like rank but i like the way it is for what i do with it ! it's just funny to be the 1000th and after beating 1 opponent being the 300th :D still i don't give a crap about it cause i know that there is NO SKILL in here ! the only skill existing is the LAG SKILLS...

3 - read my thread about 2 ideas in NEW FEATURES :D

[Troy88]

2000warrior: I wish there were more people like you in the forum. But you are wrong when you say "it has fallen on deaf ears." When I see a long post like that, it actually makes this forum worth coming to, even when someone disagrees with me. On the contrary, I read every long post I see, especially when the person that posted it put some thought into it, and the subject matter is interesting.

What gets on my nerves is, when you, me, or someone else spent all that time making an intelligent post, then someone like wrestlemania comes along and kills the thread with spam, one-liners, and smileys. Or, even worse, they'll quote the entire thing and add a smiley, or say something like, "man, that was long." What's up with that? Do you people feel the need to quote everyone else because you are incapable of adding anything relevant yourself?

You're right, the powers-that-be should be able to run the forum however they see fit. All I'm saying is that none of the MODs here really do anything. If they aren't going to do anything, then what's the point of having them? Everyone is just going to do whatever they want anyways.

As far as a good idea for the ranks, I would ask that you please check out the idea in my sig. It would only change the system slightly, but I'll let you read it and (hopefully) give me some feedback.

2000warrior: I wish there were more people like you in the forum. But you are wrong when you say "it has fallen on deaf ears." When I see a long post like that, it actually makes this forum worth coming to, even when someone disagrees with me. On the contrary, I read every long post I see, especially when the person that posted it put some thought into it, and the subject matter is interesting.
Lol... it's people like you who make this forum worth comming to, Troy. Without you, SSJKarma, and TarkanX to keep me company... this place can really get to you will all the ignorant, and stupid remarks that take place... I even make it a point to check out any/all topics that you guys started or posted last in.. :biggrin:

But my god, I didn't realize how LONG that post was until I posted it then scrolled down... (I really seem to be getting away with rule #2 on that one).

On Mods: I doubt anything will ever work... but as it is ####'s are just that.. annoying new people that just don't "get it." As long as they stay that way and don't turn into the hate-firing rebels against authority that they did in the Senshuk forum... then it's not really much of a hassle to just "aviod" most of their topics/posts.

On Rank: Yeah, I've already read that topic B4, and I'll go make a *bump* to revive it... And I havn't even tested viper's idea yet so I'll have to get working on that sometime... SSJKarma's restatement of my highscores idea is the best though (whenever/if ever we get a story mode, it'll take ####-killers and high-laggers off da chart). But even then, it'll have its draw backs...

man viper .shut up......u care too much about ranks..
Its not ur game.u didn't created it...so just leave it man.
they would neevr listen to you.....
u alreadly made 4 topics damnit..
i am just sick and tired of u...



Any No 0bs who want to rant or rave are not welcome here.
Wrestlemania especially is not allowed here--he ruines all my topics.

for ur information ..I joined way before u .......
:)
peacee.....

[Troy88]

OMG, I don't believe it. Did wrestlemania almost just type a complete paragraph?

[Troy88]

noob. ur one of those ppl who only cares about rank so shut up. and there's to many long posts!?!? :laugh:
I have a tendency to avoid spam such as yours like the plague, so excuse me for missing this the first time.

On the contrary, there's too many short, meaningless, idiotic posts, coming from idiots like you, that seem to think that forums are chat rooms, and not forums. If you don't have more than 12 words to say, then you don't have any business replying. In summary, forums=discussion; chat rooms=what you and wrestlemania mistakenly try to do here.

[nosoul4evr]

Ok im gonna comment on a few things that i read though (yes i read every post)

1: Quote: "Rank sucks!"
Nosoul4evr: Then dont look at it. Pretend it dont exist. And start playing the game for fun instead.(the way it was meant to be played) If you know of a better ranking system...suggest it to TMyApp in the topic he created...who knows...maybe your idea will be picked for our new/better ranking system. :) According to the FAQ "eventualy" you will be able to see how a player wins their matchs. I/E: 45 Victories, 35 Cherries, 72 Supers, 34 Cheeses, 125 losses. I hope he impliments this function soon....it would be a very good way to evaluate your opponents.

2: Quote: "Not like TmyApp listens to our ideas anyway."
Nosoul4evr: YES he does! I have seen lots of things that myself and others have suggested be implimented into the game. Example: The BOTS,and forum filters,character tweaks etc etc etc. These things were impliments because WE asked for them. This whole game has been customized (with reason) to OUR likeing!

3: Quote: "The vets keep leaving!"
Nosoul4evr: Most of the veterans ARE still here.(any one from 2001) You may not see us posting in every thread,or in the chat kicking ass. But we are here. Mainly in the forum,reading what ya'll have writen (or at least what topics capture our interest). Yes most of us considered "retired" and dont play the game to often....but thats because we know we can make top 10 if we want to...it isnt that hard...seems like top 50 is full of unlearned beginers anyways...there are exceptions though...You know who you are ;) And yes some of us quit all together....Nothing last forever.

4: Quote: "The Modorators dont do anything around here/we need more mods."
Nosoul4evr: We currently have 6 modorators (thats alot more than the 2 we had when I joined) Being a modorator is a "job"...And it feels just like one...it fun to come to the forum and read posts of interests...it sucks to have to read EVERY post,and then maintain them all. The same thing goes for modorating the chats...Who WANTS to just sit in a chat room and modorate...BORING! And like Zing said,its a pain in the ass to write special code for multipal users....plus the server security reasons as well. The modorators here do a fine job...everyone is welcome here and may post whatever they wish within reason....If ya dont like the spam...ignore it...skip right over it.And dont take what others say to heart.

3: Quote: "The vets keep leaving!"
Nosoul4evr: Most of the veterans ARE still here.(any one from 2001) You may not see us posting in every thread,or in the chat kicking ass. But we are here. Mainly in the forum,reading what ya'll have writen (or at least what topics capture our interest).
Now if we could only figure out how to get you guys to post more :biggrin:

We're suffering from a black hole of stupidity that's sucking in youthful, unexposed ###### minds and squishing them into the size of electrons.

[Lordalmar2]

well, heres my system

Player1 was the winner, and had a higher rank. Player 2 is the loser. And we're assuming that they are both using registered, non-"player" names (ie: player64)

(2*P2's points)
----------------------------------- minus .75*(rank difference)
(wins)

~~~~~~Player1:~~~~~~~~Player2:
score=~~16946~~~~~~~~~16146
rank=~~~9~~~~~~~~~~~~35
wins:~~~111~~~~~~~~~~526
losses:~~32~~~~~~~~~~~122
Player 1 wins
score:

32292
------- = 64
526

64-(.75*26)=44.5
Player1 gets 45 points (rounded up)

Additionally, there would be a minimum score system as follows:

Rank Difference~~~minimum score:(to prevent negative scores)
1-50~~~~~~~~27
51-200~~~~~~~23
201-500~~~~~~19
501-2000~~~~~14
2001-5000~~~~11
5001-10000~~~~8
10000+~~~~~~~5



so, if this happens,
player 1 player 2
rank = 1 rank = 13000
points= 6000 points = 345

the winner will be player 2
790
---------------- - (.75*12999) = -9726
45 (including the lose he already got)

the score becomes the min for a rank difference of 12999--4 points



Beat that
I have a system that might work better then the current one, and there would be no need for points.

My idea is this, have rank based off of your record, or to be more specific your win percent. Lets take my record for example:

W: 442 L: 100

If that was put into a percent, it would be 81.5%. Now, after you have figured out everyone win percent (this could all be kept track of automaticly like the current system does now.) you would just put them in order from highest to lowest with #1 at the top, ect.

Of course, even this system would be effected by lag. Anyway, with this system, it would be a little easier to see who the better fighters are without having to worry about all the points.

[Troy88]

With your system, you could win one game, and have a 100% win record. And he would out rank someone that has a 300-1 record. Does that seem fair? You'll have to do better than that (although at least someone else is putting thought into this, which is nice).

[fear tetsuo]

The ranking system cant change unless it was a super ranking system. A system so powerful that it could tell if someone quit a game(so the lose wouldnt count) and make the person who quit actually lose points instead of nothing happening. A system that could tell if u played the same noob over and over that u wouldnt get any points for it. So basically the system cant be changed. I guess the only way to make a noticable difference to the noob killers would be to give very few points for rank 300+(like 2.5 points) 200-299(like 4.5 points) 50-199(like 6 points) and 11-50(like 8 points) and 1-10(like 20 points). Now this is just a system i made up that would be very hard for ppl to kill noobs all day and catch up with the top ppl.

[SSJKarma]

you know what ?

why cant we have a system based off the numers of thing you did in a fight ?

Legend:
win = 100 points
lose = 0 points
life remaining = 10*remaining life unit
helpers not used = 5*number of helpers remaining
super used = 5*number of super used
rank = 10*rank difference
time = 5*time left

example:
mr.X fight vs SSJKarma
mr.X wins
life remaining = 250
he used 3 helper out of 5
he used 2 supers in the fight
the ranks are... SSJ = 310 mr.X = 10
time left = 10 seconds

final result:
100
(10*250) = 2500
(5*3) = 15
5*2 = 10
10*(10 - 310) = -3000
5*10 = 50

100+2500+15+10-3000+50 = -325 points awarded
since you cannot go under 0 then the guy is considered fighting a noob so he gets nothing...
here is the reversed situation with the same things !

100
(10*250) = 2500
(5*3) = 15
5*2 = 10
10*(310 - 10) = 3000
5*10 = 50

100+2500+15+10+3000+50 = 5676 points awarded
since SSJ beated up a way higher rank !

ADVANTAGE:
- noob killers won't be able to continues
- force people to fight high rank
- people will stop quiting games since if they lose they still gets some points ! (helpers, time and super, not the rank difference since they didn't win)

DISADVANTAGE:
- people won't fight the low ranks (but it is the point of a ladder, CLIMBING UP)
- lag is still their so it won't be real skill
- win and lose don't really counts

if you find otgher disadvantage or advantage please tell me.
it is based off our HIGHSCORE idea... giving points for the win and still put BONUS award for the rest of the things like TIME, SUPERS, HELPERS etc...

those numbers can be altered if you think it is too much !
remember that no one can have lower than 0 points at the end !

noob. ur one of those ppl who only cares about rank so shut up. and there's to many long posts!?!? <!--emo&:laugh:
I have a tendency to avoid spam such as yours like the plague, so excuse me for missing this the first time.

On the contrary, there's too many short, meaningless, idiotic posts, coming from idiots like you, that seem to think that forums are chat rooms, and not forums. If you don't have more than 12 words to say, then you don't have any business replying. In summary, forums=discussion; chat rooms=what you and wrestlemania mistakenly try to do here.
your just a member here.not a mod/admin etc...
you dont have to worry about me and others...
....

c ya :)

noob. ur one of those ppl who only cares about rank so shut up. and there's to many long posts!?!? <!--emo&:laugh:
I have a tendency to avoid spam such as yours like the plague, so excuse me for missing this the first time.

On the contrary, there's too many short, meaningless, idiotic posts, coming from idiots like you, that seem to think that forums are chat rooms, and not forums. If you don't have more than 12 words to say, then you don't have any business replying. In summary, forums=discussion; chat rooms=what you and wrestlemania mistakenly try to do here.
your just a member here.not a mod/admin etc...
you dont have to worry about me and others...
....

c ya :)

noob. ur one of those ppl who only cares about rank so shut up. and there's to many long posts!?!? <!--emo&:laugh:
I have a tendency to avoid spam such as yours like the plague, so excuse me for missing this the first time.

On the contrary, there's too many short, meaningless, idiotic posts, coming from idiots like you, that seem to think that forums are chat rooms, and not forums. If you don't have more than 12 words to say, then you don't have any business replying. In summary, forums=discussion; chat rooms=what you and wrestlemania mistakenly try to do here.
your just a member here.not a mod/admin etc...
you dont have to worry about me and others...
....

c ya :)

noob. ur one of those ppl who only cares about rank so shut up. and there's to many long posts!?!? <!--emo&:laugh:
I have a tendency to avoid spam such as yours like the plague, so excuse me for missing this the first time.

On the contrary, there's too many short, meaningless, idiotic posts, coming from idiots like you, that seem to think that forums are chat rooms, and not forums. If you don't have more than 12 words to say, then you don't have any business replying. In summary, forums=discussion; chat rooms=what you and wrestlemania mistakenly try to do here.
your just a member here.not a mod/admin etc...
you dont have to worry about me and others...
....
I can post whatever i want and u cant stop me....
so just leave it man...
c ya :) :0

[lordgrobyc']

I have an idea and its not as long as everyone elses suggestions. I think this could work and the game would have less no obs.

If the rank system was domolished there would be less ppl on trying to fight for rank. The vets/good players would be soon known for there skills. The no obs that stay on 24/7 would no longer play b/c what would they have to play for?

If we had to have a ranking system couldnt it be by weekly tournaments. Think about it if someone came in 5 place then they should be rank 5th that week until the following tournament. This would force the no obs that want rank to play the tournament to try to get rank. They would soon realize that they are not as good as the vets and would stop playing for rank.

Another suggestion is that cant TMyApp or whoever runs the servers on the game turn them off at a certain time..like at 12am or something. Then the no ob killers wouldnt be able to receive such a high ranking.

If these suggestions arent good then i like Vipers ranking system. I looked over it and didnt really see anything wrong with it. I dont care about rank but for the vets/older players that do i think they should get a fair chance to get the rank that they diserve.

[viper2040]

This topic needs to be revived. We are hearing so many good ideas, that I'm actually starting to think there may be hope for the forum, if not the game. While people like wrestlemania may try to ruin the forum, there will always be those who can turn the other cheek. I make no claims that i am that kind of person; I still find it hard to keep from reacting when people like wrestlemania bait me.

Luckily, there are people like Troy88, 2000warrior, feartetsuo, lordgrobyc', SSJKarma, NoSoul4evr, Quass, and TarkanX, to name a few, who put some thought in their posts. I have to agree with Troy88--it's people like these that make this forum worthwhile. Even when people disagree with me, at least I'm getting some input, and having a civil discussion with another great mind.

I would like to take a second, and commend the people who have helped to make this forum worth the spammers, flooders, and jerks.


I wish that there could be more people like TarkanX--his posts dont flood the forum, and when he speaks, he makes a difference, yet he has managed to get over 2000 posts under his belt without spamming. I take my hat off to you, TarkanX, and I hope you remain with this forum despite the negativity running rampant.

And Quass--he is one of the few (only) moderators who finds the time to take a look into the forums, and to help out struggling no obs and vets alike. Whether he reads this or not, I hope he realizes how rare sysops like him are.

2000warrior--you have criticized many of my ideas and corrected many of my statements, but I cannot hold it against you; you are one of the few who can disagree without being disagreeable. I find it hard to fault someone like you, who actually backs his arguments up with fact, and who isn't a jerk when he criticizes.

Troy88--you are constantly looking for those few meaningful topics where you can make a meaningful post. You have a great mind, and are the most level-headed person in this forum. Never once have I seen you lose your cool, and never once have I seen you make a post that wasn't useful or meaningful. Neither have I seen you contradict someone, and yet you always add something to the discussion. You, too, are vital to the integrity of this forum.

I hope this doesn't "fall on deaf ears", as 2000Warrior put it, and that you all stay with this forum. And don't think that, just because i didn't mention you, that I dont appreciate you. You know who you are.

As long as you guys keep contributing here, I know that I'll keep coming back.

[Troy88]

Fear tetsuo: you're right, we'll never have a perfect system. But that doesn't mean it can't be better than it currently is.

SSJKarma: interesting idea, but it's kind of complicated. I had to read it 3 times before I fully understood it. You have to realize that our chances of getting the rank system changed are greater if we keep the changes simple, and not too complicated (less work for TMyApp).

Lordgrobyc: bad idea. Few people participate in the weekly tournaments as it is, and no-shows are a serious problem with tournaments. Plus, someone would have to manually enter in the scores for everyone that way, and I'm sure TMyApp doesn't want to do it. Even with the flaws of the current system, at least everyone could participate. Some people can't participate in tournaments, because they work part-time jobs on the weekend, have homework, etc.

Everyone: if you want a simple solution, that wouldn't drastically change the current rank system, then check out the link in my sig. Out of all the ideas I've seen, mine is the simplest, and for that reason alone makes it the most likely to succeed. TMyApp isn't going to bust his ass to implement a complicated system, so you need to keep things simple. I need feedback, as well. I'm open to any suggestions regarding my idea (but please post it there, and not here).

Viper: Well, I can't deny I prefer serious discussions over spam, like you see wrestlemania doing above (notice the quadruple post :colgate: ) But just because I'm capable of writing 3 page essays doesn't mean that I'm always level-headed, or that I always keep my cool. People in this forum get on my nerves sometimes, and I reserve the right to be an ass every now and then. Hell, sometimes I'm an ass for no reason whatsoever. But that's just me being me. I don't really care what anybody thinks, I just speak my mind.

[viper2040]

I will have to concede that my scoring system makes getting on top way too easy. Even if you ARE the best, you should still have to do some sweating and struggling to work up the ladder.

I will continue to research a way.

[SSJKarma]

troy88: but if we change a little then all is lost cause it will come back to the same #### !

with my system, noob killers will have 3x times to just keep it with others and still those losers will have a chance to get some points and those playing for ranks REALLY by fighting hyigh ranks will REALLY have the top 10

i think combining the HIGHSCORE idea and the LADDER system... it is a prefect match for finding REAL SKILL !

[ant_the_whore]

i think that vipers way is a good way and cause we do have to get rid of no ob killers and ssj karmas way is good as well. and until a new one is placed were gonna be here bitching about no ob killers

viper2040: Sorry if I've agravate you by "contradicting" you so many times... I just try to find "reasons not" to do things, to make sure they're truely good ideas. :biggrin:

When I have time.. I'll look over your, Troy88's, and SSJKarma's ideas on the ranking systems, then express my opinion... :biggrin:

[viper2040]

Actually, I enjoy being contradicted--then I can argue :biggrin:

I'm just perverse that way.

Seriously, though, I think debating (arguing :biggrin:) is an excellent way to learn new things and to gain a new perspective on ....things...

or whatever...

so, just speak your mind. Just dont be an asshole about it :biggrin: (not that you are)

[TMyApp]

1st off... i'll be honest... i didn't really read this thread... :(

(but i will.. when i find the time)

right now, i'm about to pass out from this FLU and all the damn work i have to do...

so... seeing how viper has been on my arse since '86 .. asking me to change the "top scores"... all i can say is this...

right now, i have NO time.. and no plans on adding/fixing/tweaking the top scores... in addition... NOTHING will happen b4 spiderman is out (god knows when)...

i realize that this is a problem for some, and yes, it IS on my list... but.. the priority is not high (compared to the OTHER problems we still have)

thats it....

[SSJKarma]

take your time about that tmyapp...

i don't play for ranks anyway...
i am not even playing much those days !
i just tryed to find a good idea so people have something to vote for :D