I cant believe it's not plastic - Mmmm yummy.

[nosoul4evr]

Heres some interesting internet info ya'll may or may not know.

DO YOU KNOW...
The difference between margarine and butter?
Both have the same amount of calories. Butter is slightly higher in saturated fats at 8 grams compared to 5 grams.
Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women by 53% over eating the same amount of butter according to a recent Harvard Medical Study.

Eating butter increases the absorption of many other nutrients in other foods. Butter has many nutritional benefits where margarine has a few only because they are added!
Butter tastes much better than margarine and it can enhance the flavors of other foods. Butter has been around for centuries where margarine has been around for less than 100 years.

Now for Margarine...
Very high in Trans Fatty Acids... Triple risk of Coronary Heart Disease... Increases total cholesterol and LDL (this is the bad cholesterol) Lowers HDL cholesterol, (the good cholesterol) Increases the risk of cancers by up to five fold...
Lowers quality of breast milk . Decreases immune response...
Decreases insulin response.

Heres the yummy truth..(or so it's said)
Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE away from being PLASTIC...This fact alone was enough to have me avoiding margarine for life and anything else that is hydrogenated (this means hydrogen is added, changing the molecular structure of the substance).

YOU can try this yourself: purchase a tub of margarine and leave it in your garage or shaded area. Within a couple of days you will note a couple of things: no flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near it (that should tell you something) ... it does not rot or smell differently...because it has no nutritional value, nothing will grow on it...even those teeny weeny microorganisms will not find a home to grow in. Why? Because it is nearly plastic.

Would you melt your Tupperware and spread that on your toast? ???



Edited By nosoul4evr on Oct. 23 2003 at 18:57

[Resident Evil]

wow very interesting nosoul, good job bro! :buttrock: :shocked:



Edited By Resident Evil on Oct. 23 2003 at 16:55

[Saijin_Ryu]

Ewwww, never really liked Margarine im more of a Butter man,.
This is quite an interesting thread NoSoul...

Im gonna contrabute my own difference thing...

Not as interesting as Margerine or Butter,
but if youve never been able to tell the difference here ya go!

whats the difference between crocodiles and alligators

Alligators and crocodiles do look similar but there are several physical characteristics that differentiate the two giant reptiles.

Scientists separate alligators, crocodiles according to differences in their skulls, scales, and teeth. The most easily observed difference between alligators and crocodiles is the shape of the head. The crocodile's skull and jaws are longer and narrower than the alligator's.

In both alligators and crocodiles, the fourth tooth on either side of the lower jaw is exceptionally long. When an alligator closes its mouth, those long teeth slip into sockets in the upper jaw and disappear. When a crocodile closes its mouth, the long teeth remain visible, protruding outside the upper jaw. In general, if you can still see a lot of teeth even when the animal's mouth is closed, you are looking at a crocodile. Alligators have plenty of teeth, but fewer show until the mouth is open

So there you have it, when being attacked by a big reptile and you dont know whether its a alligator or a crocodile....
look at the teeth! :huh:

[blanka09]

Would you melt your Tupperware and spread that on your toast?
hell no!!!!!! :biggrin:

Wow.. that's some nice info Nosoul4evr..
Who could have guessed the difference in the nutritional value of both magerine and butter, considering the similarities both have in uses.. :biggrin:
I agree with the fact that hydrogenating the one molecule of magerine could in fact turn it into plastic.. looking at their molecular structure.. :biggrin:

*cougH* :biggrin:
They're both organic molecules.. (meaning each has a long chain of Hydrogen with other Halogens.. and just may be Oxygen! ).. They're called macromolecules.. Adding just a hydrogen molecule to these macromolecules could infact change most of their chemical properties.. thereby explaining why magerine is kinda similar to plastic..
But hey... if you wanna go on eating dehydrogenated plastic, fine with me! :biggrin:

[akuma_forever]

okay.....

[Kingryu1]

theres so much i never knew about butter... =/

[marvel911]

Finally, I can die at peace now, knowing the difference between butter and margarine... :alien:

[Elena]

Ewww I'm going to tell my mom to stop buying 'I can't believe it's not butter'....It should be named i can't believe it's plastic.

[SSJKarma]

yuck !
no wonder i always loved BUTTER better !
gonna tell this to my mom so she know that all her HYDROGENIC food does make her less fat, but does make her life span less longer !
thanks for saying this bro !

[SBYRD5]

I heard you could get some from of cancer from plat or stero.....

If heated in a microwave very often and eaten with food so......hmmm

[Scorponok]

What medication are you taking :s

1. Do you know what plastic is?
2. Tell me why a molecule would make that sort of change.

[blanka09]

*cougH* :biggrin:

Fats and oils are tri-esters of glycerol, propan-1,2,3-triol, with carboxylic acids. These are sometimes called fatty acids owing to their presence in fats. . The constituent compounds include: tetradecanoic acid CH3(CH2)12COOH; hexadecanoic acid, CH3(CH2)14COOH; octadeca-9,12-dienoic acid (linoleic acid), :biggrin:
CH3(CH2)4(CH=CHCH2)2(CH2)6COOH; octadeca-9-enoic acid (oleic acid), CH3(CH2)7CH=CH(CH2)7COOH; propan-1,2,3-triol (glycerol), HOCH2CH(OH)CH2OH.
So now that you understand the molecular structure of fats let's move to margarine..
Margarine is created by either..
oils and fats, up to 10% of which can be milk fat;
an aqueous phase, often skimmed milk;
salt and flavouring;
vitamins

[SSJKarma]

well... for all i know, you can't say its the same as plastic, cause in chemestry, one molecule is like very different then the others !

example:
H2O = water or HALLOWEEN 20 (lol)
but... H2 is far from being water

see, one molecule out and you get something totally different.
other example:
CO2 = what coming out of our cars
O2 = oxygen which is what we need to survive !

two very different things, but still only one molecule separates them.
so basically you can't say that MARGARINE is almost like the PLASTIC that hold the margarine itself !

oh BTW... CO2 is also what we breath out of our body !
yeah, we breath out the same thing as our cars !

O2 when you breath in, but when you breath out its now CO2 !

see, anyway... let's get back on topic, yeah butter is way better then margarine... but in our world, who can say which things are really real ? i mean, alost everything in life now are made by chemical reactions, so how can you know that what you eat is real and not just another CHEMESTRY test by some super markets ?

so i wouldn't wonder about those things... its not like its gonna change my way of life anyway !

[ssj2trunks52]

cars put out carbon monoxide and Co2 is carbon dioxide...I swear to god karma...

and really that not far from being water because manily all hydrogen is; is water...

im sure blanka knows ALOT more about it then any ofus-which is cool he can have it I got computers though blanka:\

so dont try to second guess him karma...

[blanka09]

lol.. :biggrin:
Thanks for the props ssj2trunks..
Well what can I tell ya...
As he rightly put it We breathe out CO2 .. Carbon (IV) Oxide or Carbon dioxide while the Oxide which comes out of our cars is Carbon Monoxide or CO or Carbon(II)oxide...
which of cause is more poisonous than CO2.. cause if taken in, it reacts with the haemoglobin in our red blood cells forming Carboxylhaemoglobin which is more dense and fails to transport the Oxygen round the body..
nuff about that! :biggrin:

Back to the topic! For a fact.. yes 1 molecule can make a lotta difference when it comes to the structure and properties of a similar molecule.. eg NO2 and CO2.. which are completely different (For a fact NO2 is brown and CO2 is colorless)
But in this case, we're talking of what is known as hydrogenation which in any case is the addition of Hydrogen to a molecule..
Due to the vast amount of Hydrogen present in one chain of Fat (margarine) an addition doesn't change it's chemical equation too much.. and I think that's were they're both alike..
Basically just a step ahead of the fats and oils, we see plastic.
click here (http://www.ider.herts.ac.uk/school/courseware/materials/plastics/polymer.html) you'll read about polymers and stuff like that.. They show you how unsaturated organic compounds loose their double bonds and form large molecules (also known as macromolecules) which are in turn saturated.. Seeing those large chains of organic compound, adding one molecule of Hydrogen doesn't make much difference... unlike when it's Oxygen and Water..
So I guess that explains it to a new level! :biggrin:

[Saijin_Ryu]

Arrr this is all too Confusing?!
I never can get my head around all that chemistry crap!



Edited By Saijin_Ryu on Oct. 24 2003 at 16:23

[Resident Evil]

i was thinking the same thing saijin ;)

[ssj2trunks52]

thats because your dense...like the bond blanka was talking about:) j/k hahaha

anyways

for you who dont know No2 is nitrogen dioxide and as was said
Co2 is carbon dioxide-used in fire extinguishers very very cold stuff when in liquid form

blanka if im not mistaken it doesnt turn into gas until it hits O right? Or is it just the fact that its not compressed anymore?


blanka you must explain the reason why carbon monoxide is so dangerous I dont think they understood it...
and just in case he doesnt tell you it bassicly will drain you of all strength then you will pass out and die from lack of (oxygen=O)



Edited By ssj2trunks52 on Oct. 24 2003 at 12:27

[SSJKarma]

all hail SSJTRUNKS who seems to praise everyone thinking he and the person are the only rights on all subjects, i swear TRUNKS everytime i open my mouth here you seem to say i sucks and don't know what i'm talking about !

listen up guys, adding hydrogen or not, 2 molecule of hydrogen is far from just one !

and trunks, scuse me, HYDROGEN isn't water !
to be water you got to add that power 2 and the O to the H to have water, so nowe, what you're wrong about that one kid !

i may be have done only my SCIENSE class in SECONDARY FOUR, but i still know what molecules do what i do know that even adding hydrogen is far from not altering the things.

like i said, HYDROGEN or not, margarine is far from plastic !

[ssj2trunks52]

yes hail me karma you simplistic fool:\

I never said you sucked...I did on on the other hand imply it and how am I at all at fault for what you read and assume?

power 2 and o...

its 2 parts hydrogen and one part oxygen jesus dude
its more hydrogen then water hydrogen is know as the main part of water it has nothing to o with power...

now how old are you...really I mean it

"but i still know what molecules do what i do know that even adding hydrogen is far from not altering the things."

that makes no sence AT ALL

by the way karma the instant know it all :|
I never said it WAS water I said

and really that not far from being water because manily all hydrogen is; is water...

underline mainly...
dont try to flame again karma you will only hurt yourself...

[SSJKarma]

so you're telling me that H

[blanka09]

*sigh*.. didn't expect all that...
Well SSJKarma.. I can't say I know all about chemistry or anything.. but I think after 2 semesters of General Chem 1 & 2, I think I do know what I'm talking about when I say... hydrogenating one macromolecule of fat (base content of Margarine) producing a substance.. containing the base content of plastic is really scary.. :biggrin:
Adding hydrogen would definitely change a substance and plastic doesn't look like Margarine... I know.
But breaking down molecular form, you'll see that it's just a molecule of Hydrogen away from regular margarine.. plastic of course...
Now if you place ur mind on the physical structure of plastic and then look at margarine you'll surely think they're far from each other... But break it down molecularly.. well it's a different story..
I think I'll do a little more research and give you the news in detail.. :biggrin:
for example.. just look at Water and Hydrogen Peroxide.. You'll notice that unless H2O2 is placed on ur injuries, you wouldn't know it's just an extra Oxygen of Water.. so you see.. that's what makes plastic and Margarine close! an extra atom of Oxygen.. But I must tell you that after reading Nosoul's topic, I do think all of you should avoid Margarine and foods that have partially hydrogenated oils in them...
Once again you see that margarine is just hydrogenated oil and plastic well.. just read this..

"To hydrogenate, natural oils are heated under pressure for six to eight hours at 248-410

[Elena]

Dang Blanka that is long. I read from "the Cube.. and down. I'm just in Biology but i sort of get it. And again I go eww.

KARMA: H2 is not water it's hydrogen and for water it's 2 oxygen and 1 hydrogen. And as for us not having hydrogen it's sort of the same as carbon. It's needed for every organtic material and there is more organtic material then inorgantic...I think...I don't know.



Edited By Elena on Oct. 24 2003 at 15:46

[ssj2trunks52]

karma you are stupid I will only say it this last time

Im sure everyone can see it...

you should really grow a brain because you post like you only have about 1/1000th of your brain

im not even going to leave anymore messages here fo ryou to read because it is pointless mainly because you seem to not understand anything I post 10 years older or not...your still a moron...

and yes as a matter of fact I DO know what sarcasm is...and you are a retard for thinking I wouldent by the way where did sarcasm come from? how did you even think that up?

sarcasm had nothing to do with this at all...bah maybe you should go back to school



(duhhh im karma hahaha I think I know everything I have a IQ of -4 and I pee sitting down duhhhh........where is my puke bag:^* hahaha its a pukeing smily HAHAHAHAHA)


Screw probation--tell me why I shouldnt ban your ass right this instant...youve gone WAY too far...
--Viper2040



Edited By viper2040 on Oct. 24 2003 at 16:44

[blanka09]

Having said all that.. :biggrin:
One must come to the conclusion that even though Margarine and plastic are closely related in their structure... one molecule of hydrogen that is added does a whole lotta change and that's what causes the whole change from margarine to Plastic :biggrin:

[viper2040]

by your logic...
dont drink water, cause its only one oxygen atom away from the highly explosive substance Hydrogen peroxide (yes, it IS explosive) and it could change to H2O2 at any moment--theres oxygen all around us!

and as for oxygen(molecule --O2), why, thats only one oxygen atom from being Ozone, a fresh smelling but poisonous gas!`

you know how hard it would be to turn water into H2O2? you dont just "add" an atom. ever wondered why water isnt highly explosive? i mean, think about it...its got hydrogen, and its got oxygen...
its cause its HIGHLY stable--you ainto gonna break the molecular bonds, so no reaction takes place (further, combustion PRODUCES water)

in anycase, one atom makes a WORLD of difference

Li is a metal which bursts into flame on contact with water
LiO2 (or is it Li2O?) is an antidepressant
theyre totally different

also, that experiment with the margerine? try it with butter
butter needs no refrigeration...
as for fungus, it likes sugar and carbos, neither of which margerine has. flies need blood, meat, sugar, or carbos. margerine aint gonna have what insects want. But humans are much more complex, so we can handle the crap

as for you ssj2trunks, you crossed the line. This may sound like im takin ssjkarmas side, but in reality, calling him stupid or saying he doesnt know what hes talking about pisses me off. There have been many times that we have disagreed, but i cannot say that he doesnt know what hes talking about

Further, flaming is against the rules. Probation. Watch it next time.

EDIT: just read the rest of your post, ssjtrunks...you got a day to tell me why i shouldnt ban you...



Edited By viper2040 on Oct. 24 2003 at 16:46

[SSJKarma]

wow, someone actually understood what i meant by one atom makes a lot of difference ! and they say I don'T know my poop !

elena, just to correct you a little...
its not one HYDROGEN and TWO OXYGEN that makes water, but the contrary !

its two hydrogen and one oxygen !
just so you know !

[Elena]

Let the begging begin.

Trunks you didn't have to say that just because you don't see eye to eye. Yes, sometimes ppl don't listen but who doesn't. ppl only hear what they want to hear. But what i don't get is y you called karma stupid he's probably one of the smartest ppl on here.

Viper: We obviosly(misspelt) can't handle it if it rasies the stakes of women having breast cancer.

EDIT:
Karma: NO it's 2oxygen that is y you never see oxygen by itself it can't stay by itself. Trust me karma we just learned this if you don't i would love to prove it to you.



Edited By Elena on Oct. 24 2003 at 19:02

[Ludacris]

EDIT:
Karma: NO it's 2oxygen that is y you never see oxygen by itself it can't stay by itself. Trust me karma we just learned this if you don't i would love to prove it to you.
nah actually KArma is right.........it's 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen....... the only way I can prove it is by tellin U like this

when a molecule as a lil number after it(like O2) it means there's two of the molecual stuck together.......when it's before it( like 2 O) that means there's two of them but not together. Now the formula of whatever is H2O) and the 2 is small..........so it means that it has two hydrogen and 1 oxygen..........trust me I've just done this......... so I know it

edit: and to had an lil'info, Oxygen is O alone.........when it's O2, it's called dioxygen(not sure if it's spelled like that in english but it must be close)



second edit: thanks for the info Nosoul, I'll make sure we only buy butter here now :biggrin:



Edited By Ludacris on Oct. 24 2003 at 19:13

[Elena]

Well dang sorry y'all.
I just looked it up and yeah y'all are right. Our teacher though ur wrong glad she left.

[SSJKarma]

can't rememeber what the number in front means, but when its the letter is powered by a number it means that this ATOM is doubled in the equation.

so...
H

[SBYRD5]

Trees exhale oxygen,and people exhale C02

In exchange we recieve oxygen for there recieving of carbon dioxide....HA,,,,HA

[Ludacris]

Trees exhale oxygen,and people exhale C02

In exchange we recieve oxygen for there recieving of carbon dioxide....HA,,,,HA
U sure have thought us sumthin Birdman...........cutos to U man...........cutos........(don,t ask me what cutos mean, I heard it somewhere, I don't remember, memory. such a blur.......) :biggrin:

[viper2040]

karma: the 2 means theres 2 of em, not to the power of 2 ;)

[SSJKarma]

anyway i know the basic not the whole deal

sbyrd5...
TREEs inhale CO