Religion - Good/bad

[Abdoun_bacK]

Well, when I was younger, I was pretty religous kid, always listend to my parents and was afraid of God if i did a sin. But as I soon grew older, my religous faith started to fade because i came to ask my self, why would God let us have soo much hate between religions (NOT EVERYONE). Shouldnt there be one religion than many different kinds??? Why did this world become soo corrupt, Wars and Crimes. You have SOME priests molesting children, SOME Muslims (for which I am) blowing them selves up stating it is a holy war, pratically trying to ruin once a very pure religion in my heart still is. I Came to believe that the best faith for anyone, is just to use your Heart and Mind, because those are the two keys of Ethics in your life. You do what you think is right realizing the casue and affect of your action. Well my main question is...Do you believe this world will be better off with or without religion. I first said with out, but then i thought a little deepers, for some people it gave us moral standards, such as drinking, sexual tolerances, respect for one self and others, basically, self Discipline. But then, it did erupt some wars and enemies and hate. So what do you guys think?

[DA_VIPA]

my father told me dont beleive anything that cant be proven.
its funny how ALL of the events that lead to religions took place when theres no way of recording it...physically anyway. i dont take nobodies word for it. i aint got time to repent my sins coz id be doing it forever an im a busy drug dealer.

[Master_Jay]

I think this world is better with religion. I can't imagine a world without it. If I could imagine it, the world would probably even worse than how it is today.

I do believe in god, bur I'm not the type of person to go to church and pray all the time. Although I'm a Christian, I do my best to follow the 10 commandments such as No lieing, stealing, so on and so on.

In my opinion, I'm not really the religous type because I don't even do half of what most christians do.



Edited By Master_Jay on 1120250065

[machine1]

im not a religious person at all. I believe in god and everything, but i don't go to church, never really read the bible, and just dont follow religion.

[Angel-Eyes]

I believe the Bible

[marvel911]

Over time I became aware of the different conflicts religious belief and worship has caused. And if you look at each religion in it's own way, they're all different and unique in their own right, yet we're supposed to follow one and believe that one is right?

I choose to avoid religions all together, because it's much less conflict and trouble to believe what you want, instead of what a "holy scripture" wants you to.

[Virtual Fighter]

Someone tell me one good thing religion has done. Has it ever stopped a war? (oh on the contrary, it's started like a hundred wars) Has it ever cured a disease? (oh, on the contrary, the catholic church's ban on condoms has led to the aids virus spreading) Has it ever liberated a group of people? (More like oppressed groups like gays, women and people from other races)

Yes, religion is the best thing ever.

[Vash]

im not a religious person at all. I believe in god and everything, but i don't go to church, never really read the bible, and just dont follow religion.
Same for me but I read the bible in my spare time.

[Angel-Eyes]

Someone tell me one good thing religion has done.
entertainment for the masses.

[Vash]

Someone tell me one good thing religion has done.
entertainment for the masses.
I went selling candy for charity for the homeless and voluntered at the homless shalter.

[Virtual Fighter]

Entertainment for the masses? Like what, when they burn "witches" or kill "pagans"?

[Abdoun_bacK]

but for some reason..i do believe there is something spiritual out there...does anyone agree?

VF: when you said "name something good religion has done" even though iam asking aboutt he majority, religion did change people individually. Some for better or for worse, i think in every relgion there is self descipline or teaches it. For example Buddhism/Hinduism - Fasting Christianity - Lent
Islam - Also Fasting, and No Drinking Judaism - No Milk w Meat.. even though this may seem weird to others... personally it gives that individual some kind of self discipline.


There is a very intersting quote i remembered, it goes,

There are two people in this world, A person with religion but no mind, and a person with mind but no religion.

Do you guys think we need both to balance our lives out.



Edited By Abdoun_bacK on 1120274736

[Angel-Eyes]

Christianity - Lent
you mean, roman catholosism?

let me answer that:

yes!

[Virtual Fighter]

but for some reason..i do believe there is something spiritual out there...does anyone agree?

VF: when you said "name something good religion has done" even though iam asking aboutt he majority, religion did change people individually. Some for better or for worse, i think in every relgion there is self descipline or teaches it. For example Buddhism/Hinduism - Fasting Christianity - Lent
Islam - Also Fasting, and No Drinking Judaism - No Milk w Meat.. even though this may seem weird to others... personally it gives that individual some kind of self discipline.


There is a very intersting quote i remembered, it goes,

There are two people in this world, A person with religion but no mind, and a person with mind but no religion.

Do you guys think we need both to balance our lives out.
All of those examples are what they DON'T do.

As in they don't eat from time to time.

I'm saying what has religion does as a whole that has benefited the world, that out wheighs the bad.

Because all that bad poop that religion has done doesn't balance out a few people not eating.

[SSJKarma]

again and again, i should say that religion topics have tended to always turned to flame for too many people takes thigns too seriously around here... so why not try to keep it down a bit ?

for its simple... he never made anything to make me believe in a greater being... thus why would i believe in him ?
at the worst when i'll die if he does exists i will tell him i'm sorry for not believing and ask for his forgivness and for what everythings says in all religion... he will simply forgive me and accept me anyway.

for my part religion was made by humans for they needed to believe in something. just like we do today. believes is what makes us go forward in life. without em we would run in circle for the rest of our lives ! but what can we truly say about a world where humans have created everything.

i mean its us human who said 2+2=4 its no convention... for me it can also be 22 but everyone tells me i am crazy everytimes i say that to them. thus it prooves people minds are stuck and widely not openned like they were supposed to. that is due to the fact that they need to think they knows everything and they need it to be rational and understandable. for if they can't understand it, then they simply start acting crazy and mad !

that's the only thing i am sure of !

[~Mastermax~]

well in theory religion only exists to create fear and disipline of a higher power, and thus creating sanity by limiting the mind.

religion creates values and the entire law system was created from religion.

however many people take religion too far and oppress and kill other groups. it's just like the 13 apostle said in dogma, it's better to have a good idea, than to have a belief. meaning religion shouldn't be taken seriously, becuase it then hurts more than it helps. but without it where would we be? humanity completely revolves around religion, every war came from religion, every government came from religion. we all came from religion.

[asshole]

My personal oPinion, I think religions are bad, mainly because of what Abdoun said, but.. I guess it gives tha PeoPle a hoPe.

[Elena]

believe in a higher being because without one...the world doesn't really make sense...well, at least to me it doesn't. My mom is a Roman Catholic and my dad is an atheist. So I've been pretty confused throughout life...but let me tell you something.

Religion has it's flaws but it also has the good things about it. It teaches people discipline like Abdoun earlier had said and gives hope as asshole said. Religion at least Roman Catholicism does not say kill all the Muslims and anyone who is different. Individuals say things like that and people begin to get confused as to what is real and what is not...and to make what they're doing seem good they say I'm doing this for my religion when we know most religions don't say go kill anything that is different from you. They say this so they feel better about what they are doing. Let's not get religion confused with the individual that preaches it.

Religion has done a lot of things that is good. Like I said earlier in this post it gives people discipline. It teaches you to give back to the community. Many people donated to the tsunami disaster because of church. My mom's church gave the money that they were going to use for the church to the tsunami disaster. Any many people sustain from doing some bad things because of what their religion teaches them. Some is better then none.

[Virtual Fighter]

believe in a higher being because without one...the world doesn't really make sense...well, at least to me it doesn't. My mom is a Roman Catholic and my dad is an atheist. So I've been pretty confused throughout life...but let me tell you something.

How doesn't it make sense? Religion doesn't hold the world together, if anything it's keeping the world appart.

If anything, with religion the world makes even LESS sense.

"How does sun come out and go back in?"

Religion - "It just does, okay"

None-Religion - "It's the gravitational pull that causes the world to go around the sun, so it's the world that's spinning and not the sun"

Religion has it's flaws but it also has the good things about it. It teaches people discipline like Abdoun earlier had said and gives hope as asshole said. Religion at least Roman Catholicism does not say kill all the Muslims and anyone who is different. Individuals say things like that and people begin to get confused as to what is real and what is not...and to make what they're doing seem good they say I'm doing this for my religion when we know most religions don't say go kill anything that is different from you. They say this so they feel better about what they are doing. Let's not get religion confused with the individual that preaches it.

Let me tell you a little something about most every religion. It's not based on hope as I want it to believe, it's based on fear, as most christians are trying me to believe.

It's not "hopefully i'll get into heaven for being good," it's "I better be good or else i'll go to hell."

The entire concept of heaven and hell is based on FEAR.

Many people donated to the tsunami disaster because of church. My mom's church gave the money that they were going to use for the church to the tsunami disaster. Any many people sustain from doing some bad things because of what their religion teaches them. Some is better then none.

That has nothing to do with church and religion, it has to do with humanitarianism and good will. Why is Live 8 on the TV right now? It's not because god said so, it's because HUMANS got together and said they wanted to raise awarness and try to help other HUMANS.

There was no god involved.



religion creates values and the entire law system was created from religion.

Exactly! Like when your wife cheats on you, you're supposed to throw stones at her untill she dies.

And that slaves are okay, that if somone kills your daughter, you're allowed to kill theres.

Don't forget to control your women and hate gays!

Yes, these values are keeping our society together.

again and again, i should say that religion topics have tended to always turned to flame for too many people takes thigns too seriously around here... so why not try to keep it down a bit ?

How about no?

This is flaming:
# Informal. An insulting criticism or remark meant to incite anger, as on a computer network.

What has done that here? NOTHING. So please, shut up with your "talking abotu stuff creates flames! Don't think!" attitude. I'm tired of seeing every single good topic go to hell because you close them prematurally, sighting your faulty "Thinking creates flaming" rules.


i mean its us human who said 2+2=4 its no convention... for me it can also be 22 but everyone tells me i am crazy everytimes i say that to them. thus it prooves people minds are stuck and widely not openned like they were supposed to. that is due to the fact that they need to think they knows everything and they need it to be rational and understandable. for if they can't understand it, then they simply start acting crazy and mad !


Not only are you crazy, you're stuck in some "I'm smarter than you because I can randomly defy laws of mathematics" mind set.

The only way you can do some bullpoop like that is if you can prove it. Can't prove 2+2=22? Then shut up.

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[Elena]

What I meant VF was the big bang theory and how the earth came to be...according to the big bang theory there was a big empty space then all of a sudden there was a planet and it blew up and formed all the planets...uh where did this "planet" come from....

Fear keeps us from doing things we shouldn't do. And keeps us doing the things we should. Whoever said fear was a bad thing. Fear is only bad when it keeps you doing something you should. Fear of going to hell makes people donate. Hope for having something good happen to them makes them want to help someone...tsunami aid.... This whole world is based on fear not only religion. Some people don't speed for fear of an accident or ticket.

Um, question...what modern religion says "Don't forget to control your women and hate gays!"

VF, calling Karma stupid for thinking 2+2 = 22 was truly uncalled for. When he sees it he takes the two numbers and puts them besides each other. Like 1+3 = 13. It really how you look at it...he has a different view on something...so quit telling him...and others...to shut up.

And about this comment....
"How does sun come out and go back in?"

Religion - "It just does, okay"
Although Catholics took a pretty long to accept that the earth revolves around the sun they did. So that comment is faulty.



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[Angel-Eyes]

I believe that religion is just a synonym for way of life.

so whether you like it or not you have a religion. for example:

one can say, "I dont believe in supreme beings"
his religion/way of life is that of doing anything he pleases because hes just some organism stuck on some planet for 80 years, then his meaningless life ends.

[vx_unicom]

I don't think there is a solution or some sort of a decisive decision, whether or not Religion is good or bad, seeing how this topic is all about opinions, thus resulting in conflicts and arguements.



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[Abdoun_bacK]

ive noticed..that we live in a very satrical world...we have seperation of church and state but yet we have "In God We Trust" on our currency, or "One Nation Under God" for our pledge, and the Ten Commandments in the Supreme Court of Texas. Or how we have Homosexuals who want to gain authroity in the Church. Or how we have Muslims declaring "jihad" on innocent beings when it says in Quran not to harm the harmless/innocent. I really dont think you should have a strong hatred toward religion..i Dunno if VF hates religion but maybe despises it a little. Some people in the world, thier lively conduct is revovled by their religion. My relatives back home, they have soo much love for me and my family, because they learned how to respect and accept other beliefs and ideas, they dont have to believe in it but accept it, because they learned from thier religion self respect as in any other religion. Or how about Buddhism for example, a very peaceful religion..well i may not say religion because Buddhism stresses on experience, and experience is something that can never be taught. And people differents views of the 8 fold path (right actions, right words, right thoughts, right mindfullness.....) lead them to different solutions. Well back to the subject, Buddhists, MOST are very very peaceful people. They stress on right conduct of life to search the meaning of life and self. What iam trying to say is that, Religion is the foundation for some peoples lives and it does lead them to the right actions.

[SSJKarma]

nothing comes down from religion...
as i said before... religion is barely something the people created for they needed to believe in a higher power because ofthe fact that the world was non-sens, and like many said religion didn't help it like people wanted it. it actually worsened the thing !

examples...
hitler and his thing agianst that people during WWII, he thought god had created the nazi to be better then the others thus he created a war on GOD'S BEHALF !

those supposed HOLY WAR too were bullpoop yet they hapenning on GOD'S BEHALF !

many wars hapenned on GOD'S BEHALF and seriouslky i don't think it was meant to be that sadistick !
see, without religion, mabybe thing would have been far less then what we experienced int he last 2000 years of existence !

so basically god and all religion are nothing more thne human trying to acknoledge their lives because they can't believe they just happen to be there living, they needed a reason to exists and to acknoledge that reason they created the religion a common belief that many people could share so they could think their lives means something !

for me its as simple as that !

VF, talk about religion like you do to SBYRD5 and BLANKA09 and see what i meant by they take it too seriously, i can't stress more the fact that over here at this forum... more then 10 active members think god is the ultimate being and that those who believe otherwise are nothing more then lost people !

[Virtual Fighter]

Hitler was an athiest. -_-'

[asshole]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[goldzero10]

Relgion is a way of connecting to the other side.
Like me, im Lutherian (95 thesus ring a bell?) and I have different belifes from many of the ppl I work with. (incase your woundering where I work at, I work at Capcom, Japan) most of the time religion gets invalved in Japan. I wish that I didnt live in Japan as a christian but yet I have to live with that. Right now the thing is that no matter what religion we are all people and thats that

[Abdoun_bacK]

well everyone in this world has a beliefe..regardless if it is connected to God or Not. Ive seen and know people who dont have a relgious background have better conduct than people who are religous..and vice versa. when it comes down to it..it always what you do with your heart and mind

[Virtual Fighter]

Relgion is a way of connecting to the other side.
Like me, im Lutherian (95 thesus ring a bell?) and I have different belifes from many of the ppl I work with. (incase your woundering where I work at, I work at Capcom, Japan) most of the time religion gets invalved in Japan. I wish that I didnt live in Japan as a christian but yet I have to live with that. Right now the thing is that no matter what religion we are all people and thats that
You work for capcom? Oh poop. Don't tell them we use their charectors :(

[vx_unicom]

for me its as simple as that !
Yes, for you. Lets start with the basics, I keep reading statements like..., "god doesn't exist and Religion is something created in order to have something to believe in". I higly disagree with that statement. Several people in this topickept mentioning God/gods.

What is god?god is not a name, god is a substance of worship. It might be something you admire, praise, idolize, worship, etc. It can be described in many ways. For example: There are some people in world, that worship the sun, the moon, and mars...., thus making them gods as well. If people/things worship me, then that makes me a god as well, lol.

But HIM, that I personally know and millions of other "real christians" know that he has a name and he is God..., and He truly "exist". Whether you believe it or not, millions to testify. I believe there is a picture in Washington D.C. A picture about supernatural cloud that appeared in 1964...

And Religion was NOT created in order to believe in "something", religion exists because God loves worship.

[Virtual Fighter]

OMG! A CLOUD! THIS PROVES IT ALL!

Stand back everybody, it's the cloud from heaven!

what do clouds do? They rain on people. What a great cloud-god. I also have a peice of poop that looks like george bush, but that doesn't mean HE'S a god, does it?

[vx_unicom]

OMG! A CLOUD! THIS PROVES IT ALL!

Stand back everybody, it's the cloud from heaven!

what do clouds do? They rain on people. What a great cloud-god. I also have a peice of poop that looks like george bush, but that doesn't mean HE'S a god, does it?
Lol, such ignorance VF, you look and sound ludicrous..., for a someone who understands science. It's sad to see that people like you, and many others seek prove, lol.. and when prove is provided, YOU still don't "accept" it(you don't have to believe it).

Anyways, pictures were taken and investigated..., and it seemed the cloud was outside our atmosphere, where there was no air or moisture, thus making it impossible for a cloud to form. The cloud appeared to have formed like a face, that was no ordinary cloud..., and then "proven" to be supernatural. Evidence? Just like I mentioned, It's currently in Washington D.C. More supernatural activities took place in the 1960's as well.

Lol, you people have absolutely no knowledge of whats going on around the world? do you. I've lived in some parts of the world where it's nothing but magic, witches, etc. A while ago, here in the states..., there was a ceremony being held, appeared to be Indians. There was a fire in the middile, and they were standing around it, holding hands and on calling upon the "devil".., their leader had a pencil in his hands, he throw the pencil on the ground. The pencil started writing by itself in some language. All these are the clues to existence of God.

Fact is, your belief in Him won't decide his existence. He exists, you either "accept it" or you don't. By the way, there is no such thing is a cloud-god and there is no such thing as "coincidence"..., just happened, lol.



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[Abdoun_bacK]

OK.. VX... if we believe in God, what religion is the right one?????? If we all want to go to heaven..dont we all have to have the same belief, a unified belief instead of soo many different beliefs. I have seen people consumed by demons, is that a "clue" that there is an ultimate power or is that we let our selves be controlled when we know that we have 100% full control of our bodies/minds/soul.

[Boxfighter]

omg wtf wtf wtf?!?!?! how could u liv without religion. even though im not chirstian, im a sikh, i dont think any religion is "bad", theyre all good but just different

[Abdoun_bacK]

iam not saying it is bad..i dont really think its bad at all..but some people make it bad

[alamgir]

OK.. VX... if we believe in God, what religion is the right one?????? If we all want to go to heaven..dont we all have to have the same belief, a unified belief instead of soo many different beliefs. I have seen people consumed by demons, is that a "clue" that there is an ultimate power or is that we let our selves be controlled when we know that we have 100% full control of our bodies/minds/soul.
I believe only 1 religion is right which is why I follow that religion.

[SSJKarma]

by the time i look at this... people started flaming others... or at least making fun of others, by seeing who is doing it i wonder why i'm not surprised.

the other thing i'm not surprised to see here is that everytime one says something th eothers seems to like diagreeing on him... in a debate it is cool and fun, but this is no debate, what many of you are trying to is convice those with different belief that you are right and not them. that my dear friends, is not how debates works !

my opinion stays the same and i acknoledge what you guys believes. i am not trying to tell people what to believe. i am merely saying that for my art, gods or whatever being you believe in is not somthing real that is what i believe in !

btw... hitler wasn't atheist. he believed that whatever gods had created humans he had did the nazi better then others and started a kind of crusade against the jewish people for i can't remember what stupidities he believed in !

as i said, many war were declared against the different people on behalf of gods !
so i ask, which gods would let that happen on their behalf without doing anything in return.

that for me is proof enough that gods either do not exists, either do not care for us at all !
but that is my blief, you guys are free to blieve what you want.

BTW if i see anymore supposed funny remarks in this thread, its gonna get closed just like that other thread !

[Angel-Eyes]

I believe only 1 religion is right which is why I follow that religion.
same here

only difference is that the one I follow is the right one......lol

[vx_unicom]

OK.. VX... if we believe in God, what religion is the right one?????? If we all want to go to heaven..dont we all have to have the same belief, a unified belief instead of soo many different beliefs. I have seen people consumed by demons, is that a "clue" that there is an ultimate power or is that we let our selves be controlled when we know that we have 100% full control of our bodies/minds/soul.
Well, it depends on which God/gods you believe in..., as well as your beliefs. However, things regarding with God, it's rather a personal experience. God doesn't deal with "religions", he deals with people personally(christians), in order to get to Him. He is the same God, that these three major religions know: Judaism, Christianity, and Islamic..., and he truly exist, testimonies, even proven by science. But The other small groups believe in many different gods and rituals..., not proven by science or whatsoever..., making them just beliefs.

Yes, it's a clue that there is an ultimate power, however we been given something we know as free will, enabling us to have full control of our lives..., and do whatever we please, like say "God doesn't exist, then if you ask them which god their talking about, most of them go, hmm.. I don't know, God..., we have so many gods these days.

But like karma said, everyone has his/her own beliefs, and does not deserve to be imposed on..., and the fact that this is NOT a debate.



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[Virtual Fighter]

Lol, such ignorance VF, you look and sound ludicrous...,

ARE YOU flipING KIDDING ME? I'm not the one god exsists because he came out in a CLOUD! I'm illogical, ignorant and ludacrous?

It's sad to see that people like you, and many others seek prove, lol.. and when prove is provided, YOU still don't "accept" it(you don't have to believe it).

Do you know what proof is? Proof is god coming down from the heavens, saying "Hey everyone, what's up! Yeah, i'm real. Okay, I gotta go, bye!" and everyoen seeing it.

Proof is not a cloud. I saw a banana in a cloud once. Does that mean god is a banana? I once saw Donald Trump on a peice of toast. Does that mean he's god?

Anyways, pictures were taken and investigated..., and it seemed the cloud was outside our atmosphere, where there was no air or moisture, thus making it impossible for a cloud to form. The cloud appeared to have formed like a face, that was no ordinary cloud..., and then "proven" to be supernatural. Evidence? Just like I mentioned, It's currently in Washington D.C. More supernatural activities took place in the 1960's as well.


Give me a picture, give me a link.

I also sawbigfoot. Just believe me, it's true.

-_-


Lol, you people have absolutely no knowledge of whats going on around the world? do you. I've lived in some parts of the world where it's nothing but magic, witches, etc. A while ago, here in the states..., there was a ceremony being held, appeared to be Indians. There was a fire in the middile, and they were standing around it, holding hands and on calling upon the "devil".., their leader had a pencil in his hands, he throw the pencil on the ground. The pencil started writing by itself in some language. All these are the clues to existence of God.


Magic and witches don't exsist eigther.

You know what else? Santa Clause and the easter bunny don't eigther.


Fact is, your belief in Him won't decide his existence. He exists, you either "accept it" or you don't. By the way, there is no such thing is a cloud-god and there is no such thing as "coincidence"..., just happened, lol.

Take this for coincidence. I saw my friend's face on a peice of poop. Does that mean he's god, or a peice of poop?

You're living in your Harry Potter books, where magic, witches and god exsist.

I'm living in the real world where we know there are fanatics out there.



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[Boxfighter]

iam not saying it is bad..i dont really think its bad at all..but some people make it bad
no no no, lol abdoun u got me wrong im talking about the psychos on previous pages that say they dont follow religions. damn atheiests!!! :angry: :angry: :angry:

[Abdoun_bacK]

I believe only 1 religion is right which is why I follow that religion.
same here

only difference is that the one I follow is the right one......lol
....and this is when it all crumbles down.....

[vx_unicom]

You're living in your Harry Potter books, where magic, witches and god exsist.
Sighs, I pity you, have you been in India?. It's clear that you won't change your ignorant ways..., not suprised either, seeing as how your little mind is unwilling to expand it's way of seeing things, and seeing things far beyond where you live, and this world for that matter. There is wisdom out there far beyond this world's comprehension. Believe what you want(forgot,you don't have any beliefs). Not wasting my time disputing with you..., what an infidel. God coming down and saying hi to an ignorant, non-believer like you?!, lol. I couldn't even understand what you were trying to say..., all I read was poop, flips, extra.. :dozingoff:

Edit: Abound, I suggest you close this topic before it turns into nothing but "spam".



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[Boxfighter]

omg whats wrong with u virtual fighter? How can u not believe in God. WTF is ur religion?!?!?!?!!?! PLAYING GAMES ALL DAY?!?!?!?! How do u think evrything was created? Did damn ryu come and make the world with his damn hadouken powers? Probably wat u believe....u need to get a life NERD:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:



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[AnimeGirl4evr]

omg whats wrong with u virtual fighter? How can u not believe in God. WTF is ur religion?!?!?!?!!?! PLAYING GAMES ALL DAY?!?!?!?! How do u think evrything was created? Did damn ryu come and make the world with his damn hadouken powers? Probably wat u believe....u need to get a life NERD:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
Some people dont have religions..Some believe in different ones..

[alamgir]

Kester you mean the religion you believe to be right and the religion I can assume that i'll believe to be wrong. I will never say something like "my religion is right" here because I know everyone has different beliefs and I don't wanna start an endless religious debate, even though I believe my religion is right and all others are wrong.



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[Abdoun_bacK]

Kester you mean the religion you believe to be right and the religion I can assume that i'll believe to be wrong. I will never say something like "my religion is right" here because I know everyone has different beliefs and I don't wanna start an endless religious debate, even though I believe my religion is right and all others are wrong.
wait iam confused..you just siad that you want say your religion is right..but at the end of your comment you just said your religion is right. .....???...all i know there is something spiritual out there..thats all...my relgion..my heart and my mind..just have good conduct

[alamgir]

The difference between me saying "I believe my religion is right" and "my religion is right" is that saying "my religion is right" negates everyone elses beliefs making it less like a belief out of many but just a single belief everyone should follow. When I say "I believe my religion is right" it shows that I have awareness of other people's beliefs even though I believe them to be wrong. Ahh what am I jabbering on jabbering on about, its hard to explain, but basically I follow a religion I believe to be true and I believe all other religions to be wrong.

[Elena]

The difference between me saying "I believe my religion is right" and "my religion is right" is that saying "my religion is right" negates everyone elses beliefs making it less like a belief out of many but just a single belief everyone should follow. When I say "I believe my religion is right" it shows that I have awareness of other people's beliefs even though I believe them to be wrong. Ahh what am I jabbering on jabbering on about, its hard to explain, but basically I follow a religion I believe to be true and I believe all other religions to be wrong.
So, are the rest of us going to hell? I don't believe that to be true. I believe our actions not our religion if there truly is a higher beings messing with us...will decide where we go. If we go anywhere else but 6 ft under after death. Your actions reflect you not how many times you went to church and claimed your religion. I mean ppl could be as bitchy as can be and say their Christian but do you think they are going to heaven. And there could be this Atheist who is they nicest person out there...helpful...kind...truthful...and...so are you telling me they will go to hell and the other person to heaven? I know that's your religion and your opinion but do you think it's fair?

[gieandfer]

im not a religious person at all. I believe in god and everything, but i don't go to church, never really read the bible, and just dont follow religion.
Same for me but I read the bible in my spare time.
yea same for me and i also read it twice. one night was cause i was so bored and stayed up till 3:00 am reading it cause i got so caught up in it

[alamgir]

So, are the rest of us going to hell? I don't believe that to be true. I believe our actions not our religion if there truly is a higher beings messing with us...will decide where we go. If we go anywhere else but 6 ft under after death. Your actions reflect you not how many times you went to church and claimed your religion. I mean ppl could be as bitchy as can be and say their Christian but do you think they are going to heaven. And there could be this Atheist who is they nicest person out there...helpful...kind...truthful...and...so are you telling me they will go to hell and the other person to heaven? I know that's your religion and your opinion but do you think it's fair?

In Islam, Muslims believe that everyone will be punished for their sins, just being Muslim is by no means enough to get you into heaven. Likewise I believe that being a Christian doesn't necessarily mean you'll go to hell. I do believe certain aspects of the Christian belief are sinful but I also believe that only Allah (God) can judge who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. I believe Allah is merciful and forgiving and that if a person was a christian but was a good person and only rejected Islam because he/she was brought up into christianity or was forced into it then he/she may go to heaven. Basically Allah decides your fate fairly even if your not a Muslim.

[vx_unicom]

I would just like to clearify one thing that people seem to be missing, or not being able to understand, "coughs" virtual fighter a.k.a. religion hater, "coughs"... :biggrin:

As I recall, this topic was created in order to see people's views on religion, whether it's a bad influence or NOT.Not to dispute about God's existence. But it seems people are slightly drifting away claiming as it seems..., that their religion is somehowbetter than other people's religions in some other aspects. God judges you based on your actions, and not based on an entire religion.

---> to be continued.

[Virtual Fighter]

[color=#000000]Sighs, I pity you, have you been in India?. It's clear that you won't change your ignorant ways..., not suprised either, seeing as how your little

mind is unwilling to expand it's way of seeing things, and seeing things far beyond where you live, and this world for that matter.

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[Virtual Fighter]

I just thought about another way to counter the "OMG VF UR IGNORANT!!11"

You talk about thinking "outside of the box" and "expanding your mind".

John Coltrane thought outside of the box. He expanded his mind. He created the musical genre we know as jazz fussion.

John Lennon expanded his mind. He mixed poletics and rock into pop culture.

Einstine loved science, he created the most advances in science and math ever. He expanded his mind. (although you probably hate him snice he was a jew)

How do you expand your mind? By becoming one of the billion, zelot like drones?

Expanding your mind would be creating your own religion unlike anything anyone has seen.

What you're doing is just like everyone else is doing, only worse.

[vx_unicom]

You humour me VF..., however with Infidels like you, I knew this topic was going to turn into a debate, absolutely!! First of all, know one is imposing on you for not believing in God. I'm imposing on you for bringing up false accusations towards religion, such as "religion started a war", and all that nonsense.

Religion did not cause a war..., and without God's laws, there wouldn't be any laws to begin with, which is indeed a good thing right?! God's intentions were good, when he created us..., to live peacefully with all the creatures of the earth, and have dominion over all things here on earth.

But you must understand that God's will is greater than man's and he permits something for the "greater" good.

Your mistaken, with regards to these particular things you mentioned:I quote...
"Because all I see religion is doing is war, pushing homophobia, pushing sexsism, banning condoms and pushing the aids virus, overpopulating the world by banning birth control, and pushing, most of all, HATE."

God did not and is NOT responsible for these events, Humans are. Out of all creation, humans are the only ones that failed to do as God wills, by defying themselves, committing adultry, etc..., thus enabling all these events upon themselves..., thanks to his laws, I will never posses any of those sickness.

I understand from the science point of view, of how the world was created. But I also understand from the christian point of view of how the world was created, but the christian way is much more accurate. That explosion did not cause, so that the earth would be filled with all these different types of creatures. It's no coincidence that we are the third planet from the sun. Just perfect for humans and creatures alike to recieve enough light. There had to be something before the "big bang" that influenced the explosion to begin with.

Fairy tales??, lol.

The big explosion did not and cannot create..., and thanks to God, I'm not racist..., so therefore I don't hate any racial groups including the jews.

And yes, I believe in Jesus.., in order to fully undertand life, it all begins with God, or you will just end up at another dead end.

[Virtual Fighter]

You humour me VF..., however with Infidels like you, I knew this topic was going to turn into a debate, absolutely!! First of all, know one is

imposing on you for not believing in God. I'm imposing on you for bringing up false accusations towards religion, such as "religion started a war", and all

that nonsense.

Really? What about the crusades? Pop Urban the 18 basically said "It's okay, go and kill, god said so, he's on our side." Yes, god, the christian god, the

one you say was never faught for in the name of religion?

What about the pakistan-india missle threat? They both have the bomb and want to use it, one side being hindu, the other bieng muslim.

What about this islam-judaism guerrila war? Oh, but those are all infidels, so they don't count.

-_-

But you must understand that God's will is greater than man's and he permits something for the "greater" good.

But what you're saying is that even if you kill, even if you rape, you'll still be better off than one who doesn't "believe" in god at all.


]God did not and is NOT responsible for these events, Humans are. Out of all creation, humans are the only ones that failed to do as God wills, by

defying themselves, committing adultry, etc..., thus enabling all these events upon themselves..., thanks to his laws, I will never posses any of those

sickness.

Pfft, you'll never posses those "sicknesses"? Bullpoop. A real christian would say "I'm not to say if i've been good of bad or if I'd ever be good or bad,

that's god's decision. I can only be the best I can."

But you take this "I pray everyday, therefore i'm holier than thou" aprouch to everything.

Let's get one thing straight. I hate religion. I think god is a good concept, but hate religion. Look at all the bad poop that has happened because of

religion. God didn't cause it, god never said "fight over me". You know who did? Religion. The religious figures.

Those which you're supposed to defend.

I understand from the science point of view, of how the world was created. But I also understand from the christian point of view of how the world was

created, but the christian way is much more accurate. That explosion did not cause, so that the earth would be filled with all these different types of

creatures.

You mean the millions of specie of bugs, the thousands of specie of fish, the mamels, the monkey family, the dogs, the billions of billions of animals living

in the world today?

Oh yeah, that's ALOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF CREATURES.

You know what else? we're not the only thing here. Although that's what religion wanted and still wants you to think in some ways. God made us in his image.

We're gods special creatures. God loves us the most.

Let me tell you something:

The number of galaxies in the observable universe is estimated to be around 100 billion (1011), I think. Each of those contains something like 100 billion

stars. Therefore, the total number of stars in the universe is around about 1022, or 10 thousand billion billion.

Stars. Like the sun, all (or most) have planets orbiting them. If each has let's say ATLEAST ONE there's still would be 10 thousand billion billion.


If religion was true, and we are alone, why did god make all those stars and all those planets? Because he could? Because he did? Or was it because there's

something more to everything?

Who's the one living in an ignorant state of being now, Mr. "We're alone. Shut up, quit thinking."

It's no coincidence that we are the third planet from the sun. Just perfect for humans and creatures alike to recieve enough light. There had to be

something before the "big bang" that influenced the explosion to begin with.

What? You're contredicting yourself.

Your religion tells you that god made the heavens, then the earth and then you, and everything in between. God made two people and a world of animals.


And that's all you need to know. It doesn't say anything about no big bang, about other stars, about other planets, or the sun. In fact, if it wasn't for

science defying religion, we'd still think we're the center of the universe and it revolves around US.

Christianity, the most narcessistic idea known to man.

The big explosion did not and cannot create...,

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload4/20020916.gif

and thanks to God, I'm not racist..., so therefore I don't hate any racial groups including the jews.

Jew isn't a racial group (in this context), it's a religious group, a group which you think are all infidels and

And yes, I believe in Jesus.., in order to fully undertand life, it all begins with God, or you will just end up at another dead end.


So, answer my original question. Can you tell me one thing religion has done that can outwheigh the bad things? Maybe evern just one thing good it's done.

And, a second question added on top. Who created god?



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[Abdoun_bacK]

You humour me VF..., however with Infidels like you, I knew this topic was going to turn into a debate, absolutely!! First of all, know one is imposing on you for not believing in God. I'm imposing on you for bringing up false accusations towards religion, such as "religion started a war", and all that nonsense.

Religion did not cause a war..., and without God's laws, there wouldn't be any laws to begin with, which is indeed a good thing right?! God's intentions were good, when he created us..., to live peacefully with all the creatures of the earth, and have dominion over all things here on earth.

But you must understand that God's will is greater than man's and he permits something for the "greater" good.

Your mistaken, with regards to these particular things you mentioned:I quote...
"Because all I see religion is doing is war, pushing homophobia, pushing sexsism, banning condoms and pushing the aids virus, overpopulating the world by banning birth control, and pushing, most of all, HATE."

God did not and is NOT responsible for these events, Humans are. Out of all creation, humans are the only ones that failed to do as God wills, by defying themselves, committing adultry, etc..., thus enabling all these events upon themselves..., thanks to his laws, I will never posses any of those sickness.

I understand from the science point of view, of how the world was created. But I also understand from the christian point of view of how the world was created, but the christian way is much more accurate. That explosion did not cause, so that the earth would be filled with all these different types of creatures. It's no coincidence that we are the third planet from the sun. Just perfect for humans and creatures alike to recieve enough light. There had to be something before the "big bang" that influenced the explosion to begin with.

Fairy tales??, lol.

The big explosion did not and cannot create..., and thanks to God, I'm not racist..., so therefore I don't hate any racial groups including the jews.

And yes, I believe in Jesus.., in order to fully undertand life, it all begins with God, or you will just end up at another dead end.
ok ok ok....i have a very simpl queation for you. Why would God create us if he knows well off what is going to happen, what will turn out with our futures. With all this havock Couldnt God do something better off than create us???..just think very deeply about this question....very deeply. And dont give me this answer "to test us"

P.S.. VF is not being arrogant..he is actually showing very strong view points and actauly has more knowledge than some religious people around here.



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[alamgir]

your religion is right and everyone else is wrong?

Isn't religion suposed to be a unifiying force, a liberation theology?

But apperantly, religion isn't doing that. It's tearing people appart. It's causing wars, it's killing people and it's ruining the world.

My question still stands: Tell me one thing religion as a whole has done to the whole world that's good.



One thing.


Did it unify the world? Unify a country? Get rid of suffering?


Oh wait- it did the exact oppsite of all of that

Tell me now is there 1 religion in the world? No. How can the world be unified under several different religions? If there was one religion that was right and I believe there is, and if everyone followed it then what do you think would have happened?

What I do agree with you on is that their is chaos happening within all religions. To be honest very few people in this world are following religions like how they were meant to be. In the Quran it says the Muslim community will split and be corrupted, as a sign of the day of judgement.

[Abdoun_bacK]

In the Quran it says the Muslim community will split and be corrupted, as a sign of the day of judgement.
and that more earthquakes and rapings will happen, which are other signs.

yes...day of judgement. Does anyone believe in it?

[vx_unicom]

Hmm, I never said anything about "defending" religion..., I'm simply defending the fact that God exist.

@Abound...Read carefully: Before God became God..., he was known as Elohim. Meaning the Self-existent one, nothing existed but him, and in him alone, he possed these features that he wanted to be displayed.
-The nature of a Father.
-Love.
-The ability to save.
-Creator.
-The ability to heal.
-Give life.
He loved worship..., and many other abilities than he wanted displayed for Glory..., and In order for Him to display all these, there had to be something that was lost in order for him to "save". There had to be something that had to be sick in order for him to "heal"..., along with the things I mentioned. The people who have believed in Him, have experienced being healed of their sickness, not knowing Him, and then knowing him, etc.
As a Father, he had to have his own "children", thats why he created Human being and gave them dominion over all the creatures..., God's intentions were good from thr begining and will always be. Some events are caused by the Devil/Satan, and not God..., and so God permitted it.

And before he created us, since he loved worship, he had to create his own subjects that would worship him, thus making him God by creating Angels. He doesn't need humans to worship Him, Lol, he can cause the birds, trees, stars, etc..., to worship Him. He created us because he need Children, because he possed the nature of a Father.

In his own great infinite wisdom, he knew he had to save humanity from their sins, bad deeds. God is a Spirit and therefore he had to come by himself in the form of "Jesus". So he would save them. From what?! From their sins, and so people would know Him as well.
-The problem is Unbelief Not in religions but In God.

-----> I will respond to YOU VF after this post..., this is way to long. Hate long posts.



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[mastergrim8]

what matters is no religion is wrong or correct as long as it's involved with the path to heaven remmember you sins are always forgiven you ask for forgiveness and vengeance is sin!

[Virtual Fighter]

Tell me now is there 1 religion in the world? No. How can the world be unified under several different religions? If there was one religion that was right and I believe there is, and if everyone followed it then what do you think would have happened?

Oh yeah, and I bet your answer to racism is "If we were all one race there wouldn't be anymore!"

-_-

Even if we were one religion, that doesn't stop people from saying "OMG! YOU'RE NOT BEING A TRUE " and killing each other.

...or raping little boys in the choir.

What I do agree with you on is that their is chaos happening within all religions. To be honest very few people in this world are following religions like how they were meant to be. In the Quran it says the Muslim community will split and be corrupted, as a sign of the day of judgement.

Who are you to say ANYTHING?

The only person who can say "Your religion is wrong" is shiva, mohammad, buddha or jesus himself.

You christians (and from what i've seen, pretty much only christians. I havn't seen any muslims say "OMG U DONT BELIEVE IN THE RIGH GOD!!1", and there is a large number of muslims in this community) JUDGE YOU based on who you are and what you believe in.

Did jesus not say, judge not let ye be judged?

Or did you not read that part? -_-'


Hmm, I never said anything about "defending" religion..., I'm simply defending the fact that God exist.

And you're doing a great job of it, too!

Because god was once seen in a cloud, and that's enough proof for the average american.

@Abound...Read carefully: Before God became God..., he was known as Elohim. Meaning the Self-existent one, nothing existed but him, and in him alone, he possed these features that he wanted to be displayed.
-The nature of a Father.
-Love.
-The ability to save.
-Creator.
-The ability to heal.
-Give life.

And who created Elohim? He can't just exsist. As you christians say, "Things don't just exsist because they do. something has to make it.

He loved worship..., and many other abilities than he wanted displayed for Glory..., and In order for Him to display all these, there had to be something that was lost in order for him to "save". There had to be something that had to be sick in order for him to "heal"..., along with the things I mentioned. The people who have believed in Him, have experienced being healed of their sickness, not knowing Him, and then knowing him, etc.
As a Father, he had to have his own "children", thats why he created Human being and gave them dominion over all the creatures..., God's intentions were good from thr begining and will always be. Some events are caused by the Devil/Satan, and not God..., and so God permitted it.

And what, there's a picture of this so we can say "Oh yeah, look... he does exsist." Or even physical evidense he was there?

And if god had the ability to heal 20,000,000 wouldn't have died of AIDS.

Most of your "proof" god exsist is all in the bible. But how do we know if the bible is right? We don't.

[vx_unicom]

God is the Creator, he doesn't have a craetor..., if he did, then he wouldn't be infinite, or eternal. He doesn't have a begining or end. Things that have a begin and an end exist in time, but he is eternal, time doesn't apply to him.

About the 20,000,000 people, your wrong. Many christians and non-christians have testified of being healed of their sickness because they believed in God. Lol, it's funny how some people only believe in God, when their sick, or on their death bed in the hospital. There's been people healed of cancer, malaria..., and so many other disease. God can't just heal you if you don't believe in Him or know him.

God has always healed people who had faith in Him, and believed him. There was once some old lady up in Arizona, who was infected with some brain disease..., and she was at the edge of dying. Doctors did everything they could, but then they told her husband that she would die. fortunately for her, she "believed" that God lives, and that he is capable of healing her.

Things looked hopeless..., the doctors, her husband were in the room with her, when all of a sudden the room was filled with some strange light hanging over the lady and immediately her brain was well functioning at a 100% and there was no sign of the disease. The room was filled with silence..., everyone, including the doctors were speechless. She was "healed", why?! Because she knew who she believed in. So many people have experienced Gods healing due to their faith.

There is no way someone can truly prove God. Only God himself can..., and he does it in his own way. Lol, God doesn't think the way you think, for him to come down and hi. His face his brighter than the sun, He is God, sin cannot stand in his presence..., you body can't even last 2 seconds in his overwhelming presence. You will probably end up in state of shock, paralyzed, weak, etc.

The people who wrote the bible did not make it up. It was written by rabbis, of scrolls found sometime in 1700's or earlier in the greek and hebrew languages before translated in English and french.

Lol..., this arguement is a waste of time. The subject of the topic itself is not debatable.



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[Virtual Fighter]

God is the Creator, he doesn't have a craetor..., if he did, then he wouldn't be infinite, or eternal. He doesn't have a begining or end. Things that have a begin and an end exist in time, but he is eternal, time doesn't apply to him.

Then where did he come from? There has to be a bigginning, and an end. This rule applies to everything. He had to come from somewhere.

Things don't exsist just because they do.

About the 20,000,000 people, your wrong. Many christians and non-christians have testified of being healed of their sickness because they believed in God. Lol, it's funny how some people only believe in God, when their sick, or on their death bed in the hospital. There's been people healed of cancer, malaria..., and so many other disease. God can't just heal you if you don't believe in Him or know him.

That's because there is a cure for malaria, it's been known since the 1800s. There is treatment for cancer, and many people have beat cancer NOT because they prayed, but because their lives were in the hands of proffesionals.

Aids has no cure and no one has ever survived from it.

If you credit god with everything, it just means you have no will. Instead of saying "I got this award because I practiced hard and did my best!" No, isntead, you de-credit yourself and say "God did it. It was all him, I had no part in it because I suck."

Also, the human mind works wonders. It's been known that if you believe you're getting better, you're going to get better. That's why people use placebos to cure their ailments, even though it was all their own will.

No, it wasn't some magical force, it wasn't some dude on a cloud, it was yourself. You did it. You and medicine. That's all we know, and that's all we can base anything on.

God has always healed people who had faith in Him, and believed him. There was once some old lady up in Arizona, who was infected with some brain disease..., and she was at the edge of dying. Doctors did everything they could, but then they told her husband that she would die. fortunately for her, she "believed" that God lives, and that he is capable of healing her.

First, quit making stuff up. Unless you have a link, unless you have a picture, unless you have PROOF, this story never happened.

Second, i've seen peope on the edge of dying, too. They lived, too. You know why? No, it wasn't magic, it was the fact they believed not in god but in them SELVES. In their power to control their own body, and in their beliefe in the wonders of modern medicine.

If I were to shoot you in the brain, there's no god that will save you, you would die. That's just how things work.

Now, if you're going to quote a story, or an incident, give me a link so we can know is actually happened?

Things looked hopeless..., the doctors, her husband were in the room with her, when all of a sudden the room was filled with some strange light hanging over the lady and immediately her brain was well functioning at a 100% and there was no sign of the disease. The room was filled with silence..., everyone, including the doctors were speechless. She was "healed", why?! Because she knew who she believed in. So many people have experienced Gods healing due to their faith.

Did you read that in your bible? -_-

There is no way someone can truly prove God. Only God himself can..., and he does it in his own way. Lol, God doesn't think the way you think, for him to come down and hi. His face his brighter than the sun,

Pfft. And what's with this bullpoop about Everyone in the bible being white. That's bullpoop. I was watching the church channell's cartoons today, and the virgin marry, the angel, and everyone else they met were all pale as poop.

They live in the middle east. Now, unless you wear alot of sun screan, you're going to be dark as night.

Jesus was brown, had brown eyes and had short hair. The first image is the "traditional", blond haired, white skined blue eyed "aryan" jesus, the second is the historically accurate jesus:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40460000/jpg/_40460295_jesus203.jpg

"And Jesus probably did have some African links - after all the conventional theory is that he lived as a child in Egypt where, presumably, his appearance did not make him stand out."

Even in Latin America and other parts of the non-white world, where Catholecism and christianity are the #1 religion, Jesus and all of his people are white.

"The hair was the easiest - there's a reference in Paul which says it's disgraceful for a man to wear long hair, so it looks pretty sure that people of that period had to have reasonably short hair. The traditional depictions of Jesus with long flowing golden hair are probably inaccurate."

[i]"Jesus, the Annointed One (Kristos), was a Jew, a member of the Semitic peoples. The historical record is very clear, unequivocal actually, that 2,000 years ago the Semites were a brown, dark brown or black people with tightly curled to woolly hair. The one phenotype that Jesus the Annointed One (Kristos), or any of the disciples for that matter, would not have been was a Caucasian, a white man."


But why would the church lie to you? I don't know, are they racist, too?

The people who wrote the bible did not make it up. It was written by rabbis, of scrolls found sometime in 1700's or earlier in the greek and hebrew languages before translated in English and french.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

The final book, the book of revelations was written in 90 CE AT THE LATEST. That means, 90 years after jesus was born. NOT in the 1700s.

For flip's sake, you don't even know when or who wrote the book you've dedicated your life to!

Lol..., this arguement is a waste of time. The subject of the topic itself is not debatable.

Looks like someone is backing down because he doesn't believe...

[SSJKarma]

ok that's what i was thinking would happen, now you are all dissing on vf and worst you are staring to say those who do not believe in god are whacked and all... you know, your own thing about gods and the fact that you got free will doesn't even works together !

come on, free will ? then explain me why god askes you to do something and you must do it ! that isn't free will if you ask me !

anyway...

just for the fact that most of you seems to think too greatly off the religion and are like dissing people cause they don't have the same ideal as you, then this topic is closed. as simple as that !

next time don't do a fliping religion topic, it always gets like that !

[Abdoun_bacK]

no one was disrespecting religion...Topic OPen

[alamgir]

Oh yeah, and I bet your answer to racism is "If we were all one race there wouldn't be anymore!"

Sadly that is probably true, afterall there have always been racist people and there always will be.

Who are you to say ANYTHING?


Who am I to say anything? Suicide bombings, terrorism, gay bishops, wars and more sins are being commited in this world. All of the main religions condemn what i've said. Perhaps I was a little harsh in saying most people don't follow their religions as they were supposed to but you have to admit to what's going on in the world.



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[Abdoun_bacK]

The people who wrote the bible did not make it up. It was written by rabbis, of scrolls found sometime in 1700's or earlier in the greek and hebrew languages before translated in English and french.
If you want the true words of God, and not the re re re edited one (bible), you have to look for the Dead Sea Scrolls. Unfortunatley, NO ONE CAN READ ARAMAIC!!! The Bible has been re written many times....


The question of who created God is a never ending question. Because we say "who created God?" The "whose? the person who created the creator of God?" so on and so on.

They live in the middle east. Now, unless you wear alot of sun screan, you're going to be dark as night.

True that. Iam From Jordan (bordering Israel/Palestine). If you go to the east or south side, youll get Crispy. Jerusalem..my parents use to live there....HOT AND REALLY SUNNY.

Lol..., this arguement is a waste of time. The subject of the topic itself is not debatable.

surely and always will, rise questions.

[alamgir]

We'll never conclude this debate. Religon is just one of those things.

[Abdoun_bacK]

Religion is the strongest and never ending philosophy.

[SSJKarma]

you reopening a thread closed by a mod is something you shouldn't be doing !

and if you think nobody dissed anbyone, then you clearly need glasses, the last 3 pages are full of post that diss the others for their belief !

again topic closed, i suggest you do not open it again !

[Abdoun_bacK]

Ummm..buddy..did you see anyone in here disrespecting anyones else religion..I THINK NOT.

[gieandfer]

wow i never seen u talk back to anyone