Lebron james & carmelo anthony - Can they live up to the hype?

[machine1]

what do you all think about lebron james and the cav's? do you think lebron james can carry his team to the playoffs? will he be rookie of the year? most of all can he live up to all this hype created by the media?

what about Carmelo Anthony? can he be the missing piece of the puzzle for the nuggets? will he be rookie of the year? can he live up to the hype?

well as for as the hype goes, i think they can live up to it. these guys are both young. they're both great players but still have much to learn. these guys have been playing well so far and i think they will both have a great year. lebron james is a great passer and a great play maker. his shots are a bit off but i think he can shoot fine. one thing im concerned about is his involvement in defense.he just stands around on d. and doesnt make an attempt to help out. but i think he'll get better as time goes on. i think his skills will make the cav's better. however, i seriously doubt they'll make the playoffs. its impossible this year for them.

Carmelo Anthony will definitly make the nuggets better. he is quick. hes a great rebounder. he can shoot the ball. however,like lebron, he needs to improve his shooting and shot selections. he will have a great year but the nuggets dont stand a chance to make the playoffs.
and as far as the rookie of the year..........my pick goes to Lebron James.



Edited By machine1 on Nov. 06 2003 at 12:44

[_dmx_]

labron is garbage he average 7 points even i could do better what a rip off. :angryfire:

[machine1]

um im guessing your talkin about the cav's vs nuggets game last night. well he only had 7 points last night but he averages18 points per game so u can see last night he just had an off game. he barely touched the ball. plus he put up some rebounds and assists which helped the cav's out. lebron is a good player. as time goes on you'll see what hes capable off. heh, he may even make the all star game this year



Edited By machine1 on Nov. 06 2003 at 13:18

[blanka09]

labron is garbage he average 7 points even i could do better what a rip off. :angryfire:
lol.. yeah sure... :biggrin:

I think they're both talented.. and would be very very good in the near future..
As for the cavs making the playoffs... err.. I doubt it.. with a 0 and 4 start to this season.. things might get really tough for them.. And I don't think Lebron is matured enough to carry the team on his shoulders.. :biggrin:

[Saijin_Ryu]

Yea i whole-heartedly agree...

And i have no idea what is being said in this thread!!
oh and did i mention im english... :p

[marvel911]

I doubt it...I mean they still are kids and being handed millions of dollars, that aint right to me. But, as for skill, they have it..but I think they should grow up before they play with the big boys.

[SBYRD5]

Carmelo Anthony will definitly make the nuggets better. he is quick. hes a great rebounder. he can shoot the ball.
thats all that needs to be said...

[TarkanX]

Wow, someone actually knows about basketball. Well, to answer the questions, they'll live up to the hype, and in a couple of years, they'll be pretty good, the superstars of the team (Pretty close to being them right now).

Yesterdays game was a bad game for both players, everyone has their bad games, and even though Lebron did score 7, he is an all around player (He is like Magic, not Jordan, don't know how people come up with he plays like Jordan, sporting the number 23 doesn't mean anything). He backed it up with 11 Rebs, 7 assists, 3 blocks!! 2 steals, and only 2 turnovers. Carmelo is not like Larry Bird (at least not right now). He can score (outside and inside), can rebound, and that's about it, if he has a bad game scoring, then he has a bad game (Larry Bird was all around, he can blow up 40+ on any given night (especially in the playoffs), he can rebound, he can pass, he can steal, he IS Mr. Clutch, he can score anywhere, even from downtown. Whereas if Lebron gets 0 points, he can back it up with ease by getting 10 rebs, 10 assists, and so on.

Cleveland isn't going anywhere for a couple of years, then in about 3 years (maybe even 4), they'll make the playoffs as a low seed, it'll take them at least 4 or 5 years to get up there to the East finals, or even the NBA finals, and that is if this team stays consistent. Cleveland has a really good team right now, but they don't play D, and they don't have chemistry right now, that's where Lebron is supposed to come in. Right now, he doesn't seem like a PG, he should play SF (Dazzling passes doesn't automatically put you at PG). Magic was a PG for a reason, not because of his amazing passes, but because of what a PG is supposed to do... be the floor general.

A point guard guides the team to where they should go, he gives them directions for what they are supposed to do. He is the best dribbler and passer on the team, and he can create easy shots for other players. What Lebron does is go up the court without telling his teammates what to do, then passes it to the closest player without posting up, and then backs away from the whole team, which in reality, with that build he has, he should get inside. That is one of many reasons why Magic IS the best Point guard EVER.

Lebron also has to work on his shot, he has perfect form on his shot, so it's probably a mental thing that's troubling him. Also, although dunks are sweet, they don't make a superstar, if that were so, then Baby Jordan (Harold Miner), Dee Brown, Spud Webb, Vince Carter (He's not bad, good in my book) would be one of the best.

Nuggets, even though they are in the west, they actualyl stand a chance. They won't be an 8th seed, infact, they won't even be a 9th seed, but they'll give teams in the west trouble. They beat San Antonio, and Sacramento, although this is early, they have greatly improved from las years dissapointing season.

Nuggets have a better chance of going to the playoffs, but both of them are NOT going to the playoffs this year.

[ledmonkey]

Pistons were soooooo stupid taking darko ur watever insted of carmello. Stupid.......

[Tidus2K2]

Wow a thread relating to the NBA.

Well lets see what you have here are to little birds who have just hatched out from their eggs, everyones eyes are on them because they want to see these two superstars fly. Well let me tell you anthony impresses me but LeBron on the other hand is just like the next Antwan Jamison to me. I think so because LeBron is a new player on the court of the NBA. He does not have the mentality of a NBA player in order to become a great. He will be the next Jamison because he does not know how to run his team and how to be a leader. Sure he's an amazing player now, but give it a year or so and you'll see him fall just like the rest of the rookies.

I mean Amare Stouamire was great last year but if you look at him now he has dropped into a new level. But I can tell Amare will be one of the best.

BAck to LeBron what tells me he isn't much is not the fact of his statistics although I gotta admit he's killing it on the court,( I mean he's just came in and almost got a Triple double.) he doesn't seem to be comfortable with the way he's playing. He looks like he isn't sure about what he should do next.( Will he even goto college, highly doubt it) Overall he aiint going to help the Cavs much because like Tark said he just gives it to the closest guy and he's done his job. A great point guard would have to be Alvin williams from the Toronto Raptors, not much on getting points but he sure knows how to run his team he has great mentality and he knows the game and he knows his players. Now if LeBron wanted to become a great he would have to change his shots think about the game more, mature alot more and learn a heck to become a great, because let me tell you numbers don't say everything e.g Wilt Chamberlain was a machine of PPG, RPG, APG, BPG but now not much people give a damn about him since he never had a great attitude towards the game and he never had the mentality of a leader. Jordans numbers were way lower than Wilts but people loved him because of his skills, attitude and leadership skills.

Now i'm going to end by saying that LeBron is just a little bird who hasn't opened it's wings yet but is already trying to fly high.

Carmelo - Well I believe Tark described him the best way possible. I swear I see potential in this guy. But hey what do I know I aiint even in the NBA, but have been a fan since I was able to understand what Basketball is.

[machine1]

well put tarkan and tidus.

Tarkan, i agree with just about everything u said. But the thing that i disagree with u is when the cav's will make the playoffs. I think the cav's can infact make the playoffs next year. In the 2004-05 season Lebron James will have matured a bit and will know what it takes to be an NBA star considering how he is learning right now. This year, the cavs's will be a low seed again meaning that they will have a good spot in the nba draft. That will lead to getting one more good player that will possibly be the missing piece of the puzzle. And keep in mind the Cav's have a new coach: Paul Silis. Next year, the cav's will understand Paul Silis' plays and all that stuff coaches teach their players. And the Cav's ballhog player: Ricky Davis will know next year, that he will have to stop being a ball hog and pass the ball more. I think he just might be learning that now.

And also, if you look at the eastern conference, the playoffs are pretty much open to any. Their really isnt any team in the east where you can say their definitly going to make the playoffs besides the Nets,Pistons, and my team the Celtics. The sixers will probably make it. So will the Pacers,Magic, and hornets. now the 8th seed can be anybody's. the rest of the teams in the east pretty much suck so its open to any team including the cav's. the knicks might take that 8th spot. the raptors may take the 8th spot. maybe the bucks will somehow take it even though they have no superstar player. its open to the cav's this year but they will not take it.But like i said, next year the Cav's just might get their.

And Tidus, i agree with you aceept for the part about alvin williams. I think he sucks but then again i havent seen to many raptor games.

[TarkanX]

Hornets are going to move to the Western Conference next year, which I believe puts them at the 8th seed or below next year, and the Charlotte Bobcats are coming to the East this year, so CHarlotte will get the number one pick, even if Cleveland finishes last, every new franchise team always gets the number one pick.

Here is how I see the playoff seeding (not who will win the West/East or NBA finals, just where teams will be stacked at the end of the regular season):

West
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1. Lakers
2. Spurs
3. Kings
4. Wolves
5. Mavs
6. Houston
7. Phoenix
8. Portland

*Seatle and Portland are going to fight for the 8th seed.

East
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1. Nets
2. Pistons
3. Pacers
4. 76ers
5. Hornets
6. Boston
7. Orlando
8. Toronto(If Carter doesn't get injured, replace them with Washington if he does)


You know, I thought that the Knicks and Bulls would make it this year, the Bulls are going to get real close, at the second half of the season, they are going to put on a good record, I think it's the coaches that plague the team, no disrespect to Bill Cartwright (former Bull) and Don Cheany (former Knick). I am confident in what Gilbert Arenas said, that they will go to the playoffs this year, but it's going to be hard on them, it's easy in the east, but the east is stacked with so many potential 8th seeds, that it's hard to come up with who will finish last in the eastern playoff spot. Other than that, this list (of the east) is similar to the eastern conference playoffs of last season.



Edited By TarkanX on Nov. 08 2003 at 02:58

[machine1]

here's mine:

WEST
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1.Lakers
2.Mavericks
3.T'Wolves
4. Kings
5.Rockets (they look much better this year)
6. Spurs( so many changes have happened, they look weak)
7. Suns
8. Blazers
*if the blazers dont make it, the spot is open to either the sonics or jazz

EAST
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1. Nets
2. Pistons
3. Celtics(much improved,even without walker)
4. Pacers
5. 76ers
6.Hornets
7. Magic(they may be in jeopardy of not even makin it)
8. Knicks ( once mcdyess is back, they'll be on track)

*Raptors,Magic, and Knicks will be fighting for that 7th and 8th spot.

[Tidus2K2]

Damn if Vince stays healthy their is no telling how far the raptors can go. I mean vince has been at the top of his game lately, he's taking good shots passing the ball around and is playing consistently all around. I think the raptors were at their best in 2001-2002 season. They made it to the playoffs without Carter which said something about what kind of a team they are. I mean the weren't even in the playoffs they had 20 games left and people had already counted them out, but out of nowhere you see them winning 13 games in a row without a loss then 1 loss and back on the winning streak. If only they hadn't let Keon Clark go they would play just as great. And if Wilkens had stayed as the head coach.

[machine1]

even if they had keon clark still and lenny wilkens as coach they still would have the odds against them because ther teams in the east have improved.

what about them cavs? they still have a losing record :(

[TarkanX]

The Cavs are going to be like that for a few years. I'm smelling lottery. I will say it, the Heat and the Cavs will tie for the worst records in the league this season.

Lottery:

1. Bobcats
2. Cavs
3. Heat

Cavs line up
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PG: James
SG: Bremer
SF: Davis
PF: Miles/Boozer/Diop
C: Ilgaskus/Mihm

The majority of those players are already proven players. They can't play D, and they don't have a set chemistry.

Heat line up
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PG: Wade/Butler/Alston
SG: Jones
SF: Odom
PF: Haslem
C: Brain Grant

Braint Grant is out positioned, most of the point guards are street ballers, and they don't have much chemistry.


LeBron in 3 years will make the playoffs.

[machine1]

PF: Miles
=/ Miles at PF? theyd never put him at pf. he wouldnt even be good at pf in my opinion. sf is the best spot for him.

[blanka09]

machine1... I have to disagree with your lineup for the west...
Although the T'wolves have become a better basketball team.. (after getting Sam Cassel :biggrin: ) I doubt if they'll have a better regular season record than the Kings... :biggrin:
I might even go as far as saying that those Kings might have a better record than the Lakers.. That's not saying they'll win the championship.. It's just that...well.. those guys have a nag for beating up lesster teams with huge points! :biggrin:

[ledmonkey]

I really don't pay attention to the NBA. Rather watch college basketball. Its a lot more exiting. With NBA, it's less defense oriented and you just see point after point after point. The real exiting match-ups are the college ones.

[machine1]

machine1... I have to disagree with your lineup for the west...
Although the T'wolves have become a better basketball team.. (after getting Sam Cassel :biggrin: ) I doubt if they'll have a better regular season record than the Kings... :biggrin:
keep in mind, the t'wolves didnt just get sam cassell....they also got latrell sprewell and michael olowalakandi. plus chris webber isnt going to return any time soon. just by lookin at that, i think i made a fair guess by putting t'wolves ahead of the kings.