The nintendo ds vs. sony's psp - Objective arguments only

[Dan Hibiki]

This will be the definitive DS vs. PSP thread, since alamgir seems to want to make his case on the merits of the PSP. I insist that if you're nothing but a fanboy to either system, you stay OUT of this topic. This will be an in-depth breakdown of both systems, by those who know it best. As such, I'll present the DS side of the argument, along with perhaps a few others, and I'll assume alamgir, and perhaps a few others on that side will present the PSP's argument.

We all know the strength of the system doesn't matter; we also know that the library of the system does. So, while we could argue back and forth on the merits of power vs. innovation (PSP and DS respectively), we should likely focus on the games.

I'll admit that the current of library of DS games compared to PSP games, the PSP has a slight edge, but in my opinion that will
soon change.

Now, I was working on this in notepad, and I had this huge, huge list of 212 games that were coming out for the system, but my notepad glitched, and deleted a bunch of them, so I'm just going to make a list of what I feel will be the hits for the system.

The likely mega-hits I'll post in bold.

Advance Wars: Dual Strike (http://ds.ign.com/objects/707/707311.html)
Age of Empires: The Age of Kings (http://ds.ign.com/objects/736/736742.html)
Animal Crossing DS (http://ds.ign.com/objects/682/682878.html)
Black & White Creatures (http://ds.ign.com/objects/746/746555.html)
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow (http://ds.ign.com/objects/695/695639.html)
ElectroPlankton (http://ds.ign.com/objects/733/733808.html)
Final Fantasy III (http://ds.ign.com/objects/707/707320.html)
Goldeneye: Rogue Agent (http://ds.ign.com/objects/697/697519.html)
Guilty Gear Dust Strikers (http://ds.ign.com/objects/746/746950.html)
Katamari Damacy (http://ds.ign.com/objects/736/736743.html)
Kirby: Canvas Curse (http://ds.ign.com/objects/711/711828.html)
Legend of Zelda DS (http://ds.ign.com/objects/694/694756.html?fromint=1)
Mario & Luigi 2 (http://ds.ign.com/objects/748/748543.html)
Mario Kart DS (http://ds.ign.com/objects/682/682877.html)
Meteos (http://ds.ign.com/objects/695/695613.html?fromint=1)
Metroid Pinball (http://ds.ign.com/objects/729/729293.html)
Metroid Prime: HUnters (http://ds.ign.com/objects/682/682835.html)
Nanostray (http://ds.ign.com/objects/697/697509.html)
New Super Mario Bros. (http://ds.ign.com/objects/682/682879.html)
Nintendogs: Shiba & Friends (http://ds.ign.com/objects/736/736313.html) (One version of game shown)
Sonic Rush (http://ds.ign.com/objects/683/683045.html)
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory (http://ds.ign.com/objects/729/729102.html)
Trace Memory (http://ds.ign.com/objects/707/707312.html)
Viewtiful Joe DS (http://ds.ign.com/objects/682/682875.html)

Now, before you say, "All those games are kiddy," the games are more along the lines of universal appeal. Just because the games don't have excessive violence, or foul launguage, or blood doesn't mean that the game is kiddy.

I ask that somebody for PSP's side come up with a list of supposed hits and mega-hits, with hyper-links to IGN game sites, so that we can compare.

Warmor: Link to GameStop or something else, IGN sucks =-P

Quass: Um, shouldn't he be able to link to wherever he wants without moderator influence? That being said, IGN did have superior DS coverage over E3.

Warmor: Um, he can. -_-' I wasn't using a "moderator influence" to force him to do it, and IGN wasn't to impressive, that's all.



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[~Mastermax~]

i'll give it five posts before some idiot says Psp Rulezzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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[SSJKarma]

A friend of mine owns a DS with METROID HUNTER DEMO and i played it, must say the graphics of that console are pretty good. can't say i played PSP all i seen were preview of it in action. seems like a viable handheld.

in any case, i must say both are pretty much the same, action packed, power packed and greatly entertaining !

BTW, the SYSTEM SPECS are to be counted into account for its what the designers of these games are developping on !
thus the games are all about the power of that same handheld not about how they want it to be !

for now i must say both are pretty good !
i think nintendo as found his match in handheld genre for quite a while !

[Virtual Fighter]

Psp Rulezzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dan Hibiki]

Psp Rulezzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG!!!1!one!!! STFU!!!!1!

Where's alamgir? Isn't he supposed to, like, be making his case for the PSP?

[evryoung]

Ok, i'll say the basics.

Graphics are way more advanced than the DS.
UMD cd's
USB capability
MP3 player
WIF online capability
Watch movies
Over view pics

For the link to Gamespot Sign-up page https://secure.gamespot.com/rps/basic_sign_up/basic_sign_up.html

[alamgir]

[color=#000000]Alright, i'm here. Firstly i'd like to say the strength of a system isn't all that matters but it does matter a little bit. Otherwise we wouldn't be buying ds's and psp's and we'd stick to our old school systems in the 16 bit era.

Now you wanted a games list and i'll give you some from Gamespot but if you really want a list from IGN i'll give you one later.

Here are some upcoming titles which should be big hits...

Burnout Legends (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/driving/burnout/index.html?tag=mp_2to9)
Coded Arms (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/explorationbasedhorrorfps/index.html)
Socom: U.S. Navy Seals Fireteam Bravo (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/socomusnavysealsfireteambravo/index.html?tag=mp_2to9)
Devil May Cry (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/devilmaycry/index.html)
Gran Turismo 4 Mobile (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/driving/granturismo/index.html)
Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/grandtheftauto4workingtitle/index.html)
Guilty Gear Judgement (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/guiltygearjudgement/index.html)
Crisis Core - Final Fantasy VII (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/rpg/crisiscorefinalfantasyvii/index.html)
The Con (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/thecon/index.html)
Metal Gear Acid 2 (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/strategy/metalgearacid2/index.html)
King of Fighters : Maximum Impact (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/kofmaximum/index.html)
Mortal Kombat: Deception (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/mortalkombatdeception/index.html)
[url=http://www.gamespot.com/psp/rpg/

[Dan Hibiki]

[color=#000000]Burnout Legends (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/driving/burnout/index.html?tag=mp_2to9)

Could be good. I've always been a fan of the Burnout series.

Coded Arms (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/explorationbasedhorrorfps/index.html)

Looks okay... I'm not really sure how an FPS will work on the PSP. You'd be forced to use the stick and the digital buttons on the other side. That'd be quite awkward.

Socom: U.S. Navy Seals Fireteam Bravo (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/socomusnavysealsfireteambravo/index.html?tag=mp_2to9)

Once again, my comment on FPS on the PSP. Also, this game is going to likely be available for consoles.

Devil May Cry (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/devilmaycry/index.html)

If you want to pay $50 for a game that you could easily just buy for the PS2 for $9, then go ahead.

Gran Turismo 4 Mobile (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/driving/granturismo/index.html)

Could be okay.

Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/grandtheftauto4workingtitle/index.html)

I'm not a fan of the GTA series, but I will admit that this could be a selling point for the PSP.

Guilty Gear Judgement (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/guiltygearjudgement/index.html)

I love Guilty Gear, but I hear that for the PSP one they nerfed the controls, making it a button to jump. I'd hope that's just the case while in the sidescrolling adventure part of the game.

Crisis Core - Final Fantasy VII (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/rpg/crisiscorefinalfantasyvii/index.html)

I already said in another thread that this could be a killer app.

The Con (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/thecon/index.html)

OMFG The Con?? I've seen the videos and it looks like one of the worst fighters ever. I study fighting games for hours on end, too, so my opinion on the game isn't absolute, but it carries more leverage than an average, "omg tha con looks da good," person.

Metal Gear Acid 2 (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/strategy/metalgearacid2/index.html)

I never played the first Metal Gear: Acid, so I can't say anything about the sequel, really. The first one received mediocre reviews, though. Around 8.0 if I recall.

King of Fighters : Maximum Impact (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/kofmaximum/index.html)

A port of an unimpressive fighter for the PS2.

Mortal Kombat: Deception (http://www.gamespot.com/psp/action/mortalkombatdeception/index.html)

Another port of an unimpressive fighter. Don't give me any of this, "MK:D is a good game," crap. The game has nothing when you study it.

[url=http://www.gamespot.com/psp/rpg/

[alamgir]

I prescribe to the idea that I want to PLAY GAMES on my handheld. I have a DVD player for my movies. The DS cart can hold between 128 MB and 1 GB, so space is no issue. I have an MP3 player for my music. I have my computer for viewing pictures. I don't need USB connection to the DS. DS has Wi-Fi.

Some people find an all in one entertainment portable machine appealing. DS has wifi, yes, but what exactly are you going to do with it aside from online games? With a usb connectivity you can do a variety of things with a variety of devices. DS also has touch screen and two screens, they won't exactly stop you playing games.


Also, graphics are a non-issue between the two systems. The DS is significantly weaker than the PSP graphically, but the DS is selling TRIPLE what the PSP is selling in Japan, where there's games out for both systems. Also, DS games are ALWAYS in the top 10 selling software, but PSP games aren't.

Graphics are a non issue, why? Plus I don't buy a games console because other people across the other side of the globe do.

The games aren't 'kiddy.' Just because they're not violent, or they're a little cartoony, does not mean they are 'kiddy.' Nintendogs isn't 'kiddy.' Them dogs can make puppies! Want children to see that?

I never said all the games are kiddy.

The DS is down by a few tenths of a percent to PSP games, according to press averages. There's not that big of a difference.

Like you said, games are what really matters. Since there are games out now, we should compare them, the psp games have much better reviews which are noticeable. Many games have potential but unless you have a time machine you can never know how good they'll be until they come out. I mean come on, just take a look atthis (http://www.gamespot.com/finder/findgames.html).

I'll analyze your games later since i'm a little busy right now.

[evryoung]

About te Metal Gear Ac!d game, i have part 1. It's way different from all the other Metal Gear games which i for one was suprised about. When i got my PSP i got Metal Gear (my first game) when i turned it on, i was like WTF! It was metal gear with cards. Yes cards, a movement card to move around (or can use other cards to move) equip cards and weapon cards (even character cards). But once i played the game, it wasn't that bad and the graphics are incredible. It deserves the 8.0 rating, and i herd Midnight Club : Dub Edition is coming out for the PSP also, that could be a winning game.

[SSJKarma]

Well as i mentionned... i haven't played the PSP but i did see it in action.

both consoles are fine the way they are, even though the DS isn't strong spec wise. it still do not need that much power to run a good FPS game ! tell me compared to the PSP.which console is better for which kind of games. a good example is this one... PSP could be better for fighting games or platform games. but the DS is way better for FPS for it has the mean for the mouselike action. and that is the thing FPS were always all about.

in all honesty... i'm with DAN HIBIKI on this one. the PSP lacks a few features for certain type of games.
as for the all in 1 things...
well again i'm with DAN HIBIKI on this one. thing is HANDHELDS are made for the sole purpose of playing games during a trip.
and SONY seems to start thinking that CONSOLES and PORTABLE COMPUTERS are the very same thing when its actually not.
if you can afford buying games at 50+ dollars and buy the handheld at 100+ dollars then by all means go fetch yourself a portable computer.
believe me it would do you way more goods.

in my view, a console is made for games... back then i didn't expect my SNES or my GENESIS to do me the dinner !
same goes for handheld, at least one company didn't forget that the lower the cost the faster you'll sell !
by having a lot less componnent the DS can truly be sold at a higher rate for it truly won't be cost that much.
thought nintendo were always ont he cash side, i really thin the DS is the handheld for gameplay while the PSP seems to like doing something else then gaming !

[alamgir]

Lacks features for certain types of games? Like what? And whats this mouse effect thing you talk about?

[SSJKarma]

mouse like effect... the nintendo DS uses the bottom screen to show the map in FPS but that screen also is used for a mouse like effect, use either you finger or the pen to actually control the target on the screen ! thus creating a mouse like effect which ables the users to actually AIM and moves at the same time !

double clicking the screen also does something.
truly between the DS and the PSP, the DS was thought to be an FPS designed Handheld. cause FPS games are what people askes for these days !

[alamgir]

Hold on a sec, so the bottom screen is used as a map and a screen where you control the aim of your gun/weapon? I don't quite get that. And fps's are where the psp can make use of its analog stick as well as its graphics.



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[ledmonkey]

<span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>The PSP I would say is definately better if you live in or have access to a wireless network (My House has one)..

...It can browse the internet....Well with a hack now...but Sony may be releasing their own browser in a fanware update..

Also the psp has an analog stick...A feature the DS could have used

The touch screen feature is certainly unique....I am not all convinced it is necessary however..

Other wise... I am very immpressed with both handheld devices... but my moneys going for the PSP</span>

[alamgir]

Yes, I have a router and enjoy that secret browser in wipeout, I found a website where you can instant message other psp users and all. Firmware updates are something to look forward to as you'll always be able to update your psp even without a router using its usb connection. The Nintendo DS can't have updates.

[Hadokenman]

I know that some people have said that it might not be worth it to buy a game for the PSP for 50+ dollars just to be able to get the same game on a console for less, but I think its a good idea. The DS doesn't have hardcore games on it, but I don't think it was really meant for that. Tony Hawks Underground 2 for the PSP actually has more features than the console version according to GameInformer, and I would rather have more indepth games such as Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Acid, and Midnight Club 3: Dub Edition than some of the games that DS has out, even if more might be on the way. Despite some of the things DS has going for it, my vote is going to be on the PSP.

[alamgir]

[color=#000000]Yeah and its not like all are remakes.in fact there are very few that are. Differnet variations of the PS2's games have been put on the PSP and totally new ones alike, not remakes. On the other hand the DS has remakes too, in fact more probably. I just find the games list of the psp more appealing, and judging by their review scores they do look better than the DS's.

The price isn't really that much extra than the DS games, well not that much here anyway. I only pay

[Dan Hibiki]

The price of games is a whole 66% more than the DS's first party and lower-priced games, and 25% more than the most expensive DS games. They are considerably more expensive.

When are you going to analyze my games list like I did yours?

[alamgir]

I won't actually. Because at the end of the day the only way to see if they'll be big hits is to wait and see what happens when they come out. Surely we should be arguing with information we have now? Like the console capabilites, current games etc.

[Dan Hibiki]

Well, currently I will give a minor advantage to the PSP, but not because of hardware. In my opinion, all of the extra features that the PSP has are ultimately useless frills. Besides, the DS has extras coming out that match most of them, anyways. Play-Yan = mp3 and video functionality on SD cards, and is announced for the US. And I don't need to surf the web with my DS. I have a computer for that. And what function could that serve for games?

Anyways, soon the extra features of the PSP will be moot because of Play-Yan, and everything will be based solely on the game libraries that come out for them. In my opinion, the DS's upcoming library looks more promising, but then we're getting into opinion.

[Zerocloud]

I got a psp and Some of the games are on ps2 so what you can play the games you have on your ps2 when your in the car or w/e i say psp is better them DS. I mean ds is just a sp with a touch screen :(

[alamgir]

Well, currently I will give a minor advantage to the PSP, but not because of hardware. In my opinion, all of the extra features that the PSP has are ultimately useless frills. Besides, the DS has extras coming out that match most of them, anyways. Play-Yan = mp3 and video functionality on SD cards, and is announced for the US. And I don't need to surf the web with my DS. I have a computer for that. And what function could that serve for games?

Anyways, soon the extra features of the PSP will be moot because of Play-Yan, and everything will be based solely on the game libraries that come out for them. In my opinion, the DS's upcoming library looks more promising, but then we're getting into opinion.
I find listening to music and watching musics useful actually even though it has no relation to games. Sure its a game console but what harm is done by having all these great extra features? Play yan costs, psp has it built in. For now psp has something the ds doesn't whether or not it has to do with games. The DS doesn't have firmware updates either which may have an effect on your gaming eg downloading say weapons or items for a game from the internet.

Aside from the built in features that don't have any relation to gaming, the hardware of the psp is considerably better than the ds's.

But I agree with you, only until things like the play yan and the upcoming games for both consoles come out can we argue about them.

[mastergrim8]

I liked PSP for nowbut i would like the Xbox 360 better

[SSJKarma]

Alamgir, you still don't understand the primary use of the touch screen on the DS ?
fact is, i rather like a mouse to play my FPS games then having a ANALOG STICK, for th emouse is always better pointing and have accuracy the analog stick up to now never had ! i know many people like the analog better though and that is nothing more then an opinion. but i think in FPS games the DS has the advantage over the PSP !

basically, you use the touch screen for aiming.
like a mouse you move the pen ont he touch screen and the AIM TARGET on the other screen moves as the pen tolds it to go !
so basically just like a 1 button mouse. you can AIM and jump, or open ddoors by double clicking the touch screen !

try and find someone who has METROID PRIME HUNTERS which by the way is incredible !
you'll see what i mean by aiming with more accuracy.
though i think it still is a little ankward, yet its playable the way it is made !

as for the one that dislikes the DS because it looks like the GBA SP with another screen...
well the outlook seems the same and its understandable why they take the concept back.
the ds becomes easier to put in your pocket that way.
but, fact remains that under the hood... the DS is way more then what
GBA SP could ever have dreamt of ever being at one time in its history !

the DS is definitely not a GBA SP !
FIRMWAVE UPDATE could be good, now that i agree on. having an internet connection is good.
but, BTW, if you didn't knew, the DS has an INFRARED PORT !
or do i confuse with another handheld... well i know it can communicate with other DSes even at one kilometters away from you which enables the multiplayer gameplay experiences without paying any costs which is a pretty good thing for you don't need to pay your internet to have it !

but as far as i know... its still a pretty darn good thing if i may say !
up to now, the DS might seems like a poorly made choice, but considering how much details have been put into the gameplay itself other then the utility it can have. the costs seems like a ridiculous one for me. i mean touch screen, great graphics, great sounds, great concept, all of that without paying the usual price that the normal new generation handheld would have normally costs you ! thus the DS is way betterly abordable which means parents will have a better time buying things for their childs.

but as mentionned...
NINTENDO as a market that targets every age category, while sony and microsoft seeks out the money by taking only the 12-24 age category which is a bad thing if i may say ! nintendo here has a better view of gaming in my opinion as gaming includes the most, the little kids under the age of 12 !

[alamgir]

Ok maybe you like FPS's more witht he mouse effect but i don't approve of the idea. I mean clicking the screen with a stylus at where you wanna shoot just seems dodgy, but this is all about opinion.

As for communicating for free, PSP also has the function to communicate with other psp's without an internet connection. This is also free of charge. The ds probably won't have firmware updates since there's no where to save them on, as the memory on the games is only for game saves. You can easily transfer a firmware update to the psp via a usb link or wifi to a memory stick duo. But there might be firmware updates on DS though.

Good Graphics? PSP has better graphics. Lets compare...
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/125/reviews/922238_20050506_screen001.jpg A DS NFS game
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/006/920772_20050107_screen002.jpg A PSP NFS game
A pretty big difference if you ask me.

The sounds on thhe psp are equally good as the ds's. Don't get me wrong the DS is good but I just think the PSP's better.

[Dan Hibiki]

So what if graphics are better? Graphics don't matter.

DS is already $100 less than PSP, so what if Play-Yan costs an extra $30 or $50?

Tell me, how would you play a FPS on the PSP? Using the analog stick to move, and the DIGITAL square, triangle, etc. buttons to move? Combining analog and digital control would be really bad.

[alamgir]

So what if graphics are better? Graphics don't matter.

DS is already $100 less than PSP, so what if Play-Yan costs an extra $30 or $50?

Tell me, how would you play a FPS on the PSP? Using the analog stick to move, and the DIGITAL square, triangle, etc. buttons to move? Combining analog and digital control would be really bad.
We'll see. And I think graphics do matter.

[Dan Hibiki]

Graphics obviously dont matter. The Gizmondo is 400mhz, which is nearly double the strength of the PSP, and yet, it hardly has a following in Europe where it was released first.

[alamgir]

Yes but does it have the good games psp has? No, not to mention the dazzling display. Put ot this way, I rate games over graphics, but say if I had to choose between two consoles with equally good games (the ds and psp in my opinion), i'd choose the one with the better graphics.

[SSJKarma]

Listen up, there is no tapping the screen... you move the pen ont he screen and the aiming target follows the movements that's all, just like you would use a mouse in a normal COMPUTER fps game. and no i like RPGs way better... and up to now none of these two consoles are giving me the games i want to see !

the only thing i see fit is metal gear solid, its becoming quite like resident evil thought !
i mean come on, there is like a lot of resident evil and tekken games even DOA which is my favorite game besides SOUL CALIBUR. yet all they do is promote sequels to games that are already 8 or 10 years old ! come one, you don't do your fortune doing the very same games all over again in history right ?

for my part, METAL GEAR, TEKKEN, DOA do not makes a great list in itself for any console. you know why ? because in the eyes of a gamer... those games even though they have new features everytimes, will eventually thinks its getting old playing always the very same style of play each new gen console !

as for graphics....
well... tell yourself that it doesn't depends pictures themselves...
i could show you a picture of the PSP running a movie while the DS is running the very same movie and you wouldn't see any differences !
its all a matter of programming and how the programmers programmed it.
if those programmers had better tools to program on the PSP then its normal they had a beterly looking product in the end !
same thing can go off to a game where it starts out on one console and finishes on another !
a good example was METAL GEAR SOLID 2 SUBSTANCE on PS2 compared to XBOX...
there was a lot more things on XBOX including a way to actually change the ingame cinematics which the PS2 versions didn't have ! see just because they PORT it to another console doesn't mean they can't improve it between both !

so in themselves these images do not show truly what the DS is all about nor does it shows what the PSP is all about !
anyway my only conclusion is that the DS is a pretty decent machine and same goes to the psp...
but as everything... the PSP has its favorite games to play on and the DS has its preferrances as well.
the only thing hate int he DS is the fact that it seems to be made for games with not much buttons... like fighting games seems hard to play on the DS.

in any case i think both are worth it, but if you want my opinion ont he matter, buy the DS... its cheaper and gives you the same things the PSP gives you !

[Dan Hibiki]

The DS doesn't have any fighting games out currently.

[alamgir]

Come on Karma, who doesn't like sequels of good games? Its not about the new added features its about the continuation of the story line. Sequels are sequels not remakes.

As for the graphics, its obviously not about programming. Since eventually you'll find the DS has a lower limit in how good the graphics of the machine can go, a limit exceeded by PSP. If all the games for the DS and PSP were maxed out to take full advantage of the systems' capabilities the PSP would have the better graphics because it has better specs in that area.

About the mouse effect with the stylus, how would you shoot then? To be honest controlling FPS's for both consoles look pretty dodgy, but i'm sure they'll be able to get used to.

There are RPG's coming out though for both DS and PSP. Check these (http://www.gamespot.com/finder/findgames.html) out.

[Dan Hibiki]

I don't play sequels just to play using the same system of the first game, even if I liked it. Each sequel better have brand-new gameplay elements, or it won't have good scores, and likely won't sell that well. Story is nice, but I want new GAMEPLAY, and that's the way most people feel about sequels.

FPSs is actually pretty good with the DS. The DS comes with a plastic thumb pad that you, well, put on your thumb. You use your right thumb on the touch screen, kinda like a touch-screen analog stick. You use the L and R buttons for shooting and jumping.

DSs come with Metroid Prime: Hunters - First Hunt (a demo), and its an FPS (unlike the actual Metroid Prime, which is a FPA), and the controls are good.



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[alamgir]

I just feel wierd about placing my hand over the screen with a stylus for the whole game.

[SSJKarma]

why is ti that when i tell him what to do he doesn't understand and when DAN speaks he does...
man i'll never understand that !

lanyway maybe you don't like the idea cause you like analog sticks better, but i always though that for FPS mouses and very accurate pointing system was definitely better. thus anything that resembles a mouse in my opinion is better for FPS games ! in any case... you should try it and you would understand why the DS is all good !

also by programming limits i was speaking of the actual way the programmers thinks and programs their games. you compared a racing game, but you failed to show images of games that were pretty much very clean on the DS, games such as METROID HUNTER even if only the demo i think the game ran prefectly good and seemed the equals of the PSP graphic wise !

another good example of programming...
METAL GEAR SOLID 2 on PS2 was one game that prooved that the PS2 even if way farther behind compared to the other 2 consoles that wer're the GC and the XBOX... could compare graphic wise to them ! clever programming can truly achieve any real goal and prooves that specs aren't all that matters cause all that matters there is that the programmers themselves are creatives about the methods used to program the games !

so in all honesty, even if the PSP has better SPECS which is a good thing for it... the DS can and has evenly compared to it up to now !
the fact that it targets a younger audience will also affect the way the DS will be sold.
so in all i think the DS is definitely the handheld of choice.

if you want a portable mini computer, go buy the PSP cause its what you'll end up with !

[alamgir]

Man the PSP is not a portable mini computer. Just cos it does things the ds doesn't, that doesn't make it a mini computer. I enjoy the games on the psp better than I do on the DS.

About the graphics issue, metroid looks good but its one of the very few games that look good on ds, the majority of psp games look better.

Anyway in my opinion the PSP is better and so far nothing you have told me will sway that opinion, and it seems like nothing I can tell you will sway your opinions.

[SSJKarma]

Not a mini-Computer huh ?

well...
- it plays games
- It listen's to MP3
- It can surf the web
- It can write stuff in a notepad like
- it can chat with others
- It can play video's !

now tell me, if this isn't the description of a portable mini-computer. then tell me what it is !
don't get me wrong... the PSP isn't bad and i don't think its useless. i actually would like to own both handhelds. but i hate people who just ditch a handheld just because it lacks features ! maybe you didn't see enough games for the DS to see that if other games are bad in generals then truly its because of the developpers not because of the console !

see it this way... if METROID can be that greatly made, then truly the other developpers simply didn't put enough work on their version of their games cause truly they could have done way better ! same goes for the PSP, not all games looks cool on the PSP but you seem to say otherwise.

i say both cannot be compared for both have different view on it and up to now all we have are opinions. the fact we bring forth are maybe good facts but prooves only so much of th ehanbdheld that it doesn't help saying it !

for my part... its all up to the developpers to show us what the handheld can really do and that always takes a lot of time to prooves !

[alamgir]

I never ditched the Nintendo DS, it is a good hand held. When I made the comment I made about the "mini pc", I only made it because I assumed you thought that its not a gaming machine. I never put the DS down because it lacked some of the features the PSP has.

The majority of games on the PSP look better then the majority of games on the DS and I reckon the best looking game on the PSP looks better then the best looking game on the DS. When games start to take full advantage of either systems' graphical capabilities, the PSP's graphics will look better. If you want proof of superior graphics in the PSP checkthis (http://www.gamespot.com/user/searchresults.html) link out, where I searched for reviews of games on both of the systems with graphics' ratings of 8 or over.



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[mastergrim8]

Let me tell you guys you know video games are just a route away from the real world...but dont play too much their meant for 2-4 hours of entertainment but remmember the real world is calling out to you...But go 360...But the PS3 is going to have all the sports so go PS3

[Angel-Eyes]

both sides have a powerful argument, Ill just say some stuff that hasnt already been gone over.

psp- black, sliky smooth, looks badass
ds- looks like a fisher price product

but hey, whatever floats your boat

[Virtual Fighter]

http://img67.photobucket.com/albums/v203/botsang/PSP-GBA_copy.jpg

It's been done.

[Shingko]

Not a mini-Computer huh ?

well...
- it plays games
- It listen's to MP3
- It can surf the web
- It can write stuff in a notepad like
- it can chat with others
- It can play video's !

now tell me, if this isn't the description of a portable mini-computer. then tell me what it is !
don't get me wrong... the PSP isn't bad and i don't think its useless. i actually would like to own both handhelds. but i hate people who just ditch a handheld just because it lacks features ! maybe you didn't see enough games for the DS to see that if other games are bad in generals then truly its because of the developpers not because of the console !

see it this way... if METROID can be that greatly made, then truly the other developpers simply didn't put enough work on their version of their games cause truly they could have done way better ! same goes for the PSP, not all games looks cool on the PSP but you seem to say otherwise.

i say both cannot be compared for both have different view on it and up to now all we have are opinions. the fact we bring forth are maybe good facts but prooves only so much of th ehanbdheld that it doesn't help saying it !

for my part... its all up to the developpers to show us what the handheld can really do and that always takes a lot of time to prooves !
wha it could do all that!!!! i mean i know it does the game, mp3, movie part but how do you do the other ones!

To Virtual Fighter: but look how sexy the PSP looks like, if you haven't noticed the PSP is based off of the controller not the GBA.

A game that i heard that is also coming is the *gasp* Street Fighter Alpha. I am not sure if it would be a collection like what they did with Darkstalkers by putting all the graphics and moves from the 3 darkstalkers game and adding a little something into one game. but i think they will make it into a collection or whatever you call it.

plus it has up to 1 giga byte of memory, doesn't that count for something?

Je finis :sleepy:

[Virtual Fighter]

http://gamewag.com/images/content/ps2controller.jpg

Controller.

http://www.success-hk.com/success/images/item/PSP-LQ8S4.JPG

PSP.

http://img.hc360.com/toys/Market/product/P64544_41378.jpg

Game boy advance.



You are totally right.

-_-



Edited By Virtual Fighter on 1117683337

[SSJKarma]

you guys are weird ? what were you expecting ? its made to be portable so it had to be the size of a controller !

[Zerocloud]

ya it made so it will fit in your hands

[Virtual Fighter]

The controller fits in your hands, that's why it's a CONTROLLER.

And what's with all this fan boy bullpoop of "sexyness"? A naked girl is sexy. A black machine is not.

[alamgir]

VF, what point are you trying to make? And I would call the PSP sleek if anything.

[~Mastermax~]

until mad catz or some third party developer makes the attachable ###### (private part for women) for the psp or ds, i really don't care which is "sexier" again alamgir is going back to his point of how nintendo is just kiddy games, when it obviously isn't


A game that i heard that is also coming is the *gasp* Street Fighter Alpha. I am not sure if it would be a collection like what they did with Darkstalkers by putting all the graphics and moves from the 3 darkstalkers game and adding a little something into one game. but i think they will make it into a collection or whatever you call it.
that darkstalkers game was a direct port from the ps2 version, it's still not as good as the original vampire saviour was in the arcades. when you port a fighting game like that it runs much choppier, with frame skipping and the occasional lag...



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[alamgir]

My darkstalkers runs perfectly fine. Nintendo does have kiddy games, doesn't mean they're not good but most of nintendo's games are kiddy.

[~Mastermax~]

metriod prime is kiddy?
feel the magic is kiddy?
ages of empires 2 is kiddy?
games about being an attorney, or a surgeon are kiddy?

wtf do you call ape escape then?
or the fact that psp is getting kids movies such as "are we there yet"

the reason why nintendo has games that appeal to everyone is so that everyone can play their games.

why wouldn't you want a wider audience.

as far as i see it, kiddy games are ones that say the esrb rating for young kids...


also you can't see the frame skipping til you have played both the arcade game and the crappy port...



Edited By ~Mastermax~ on 1117729738

[alamgir]

I have played the arcade version and my darkstalkers plays just as good, so don't call it crappy.

The PSP is getting all sorts of movies.

I said most of Nintendo's, not Sega's, not Majesco's but most of Nintendo's games are kiddy aka cartoony, bright and colourful not necessarily always rubbish.

[Dan Hibiki]

The reviews say differently. I believe they say that the control is horrid in the PSP port.

[Virtual Fighter]

Alamgir, you're not even sticking to your positions.

when I first argued this, you were 100% saying DS sucked, 100% saying it was for kids, 100% saying PSP is better.

Now look at you, you're switching the sides! Now "DS and PSP are both good".

You're running out of options, just concead.

[Virtual Fighter]

bright and colourful not necessarily always rubbish.

Are you fliping kidding me?

Someone kill this kid. He just called "bright colors" rubbish.

Let me remind you that the greatest games of out generation, those for the SNES, NES and N64 NEVER had to result to making a game of dark, less saturtade colors to make it aged for a differn market.

Sony and sony's third party game makers are just a bunch of fliping whores who follow trends, markets and demographics.

[alamgir]

Horrid would be too harsh a judgement. Its different from the arcade port but the controls are fine when you get used to them. Its a great mobile fighting game and it'll be hard for any hand held to recreate arcade style gaming.

Its review scores are half decent too.

[alamgir]

Alamgir, you're not even sticking to your positions.

when I first argued this, you were 100% saying DS sucked, 100% saying it was for kids, 100% saying PSP is better.

Now look at you, you're switching the sides! Now "DS and PSP are both good".

You're running out of options, just concead.
I never said the DS was crap, I'll tell you that if I did I sure didn't mean it. But never have I considered it to be crap.

Did I say bright and colourful games are rubbish? What I was saying there was my definition of kiddy games. I was saying they're bright and colourful and how I didn't mean they're all rubbish.

[Virtual Fighter]

Oh, and this game isn't bright and colorful?

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00008MSWQ.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg


So, I guess this is a "kiddy" game, right? -_-

[alamgir]

Never judge a book by its cover, never judge a game by its cover, judge it by its age rating.

[Virtual Fighter]

See! YOU are judging books by saying that all colorful games are kiddy games.

(http://www.esrb.com)

Super Mario 64 DS - Everyone (6+)

Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith - Everyone 10+

WarioWare: Touched! - Everyone (6+)

Metroid Prime: Hunters - Teenager (13+)

Kirby: Canvas Curse - Everyone

The Urbz: Sims in the City - Everyone (6+)

Nintendogs: Chihuahua - Everyone

Yoshi Touch & Go - Everyone (6+)

Nintendogs: Shiba - Everyone


EVERYONE. EVERYONE can play nintendo's games, not just some pricks who take themselves to siriously they don't even think of having fun for once and stick to their key demographic.

[montalvo]

Interesting.
Does anyone here own both systems?
i do. and let me tell you theyre both great.
Although the psp could use a bit more originality on the titles, instead of straight ea ports all the time.

[alamgir]

See! YOU are judging books by saying that all colorful games are kiddy games.

(http://www.esrb.com)

Super Mario 64 DS - Everyone (6+)

Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith - Everyone 10+

WarioWare: Touched! - Everyone (6+)

Metroid Prime: Hunters - Teenager (13+)

Kirby: Canvas Curse - Everyone

The Urbz: Sims in the City - Everyone (6+)

Nintendogs: Chihuahua - Everyone

Yoshi Touch & Go - Everyone (6+)

Nintendogs: Shiba - Everyone


EVERYONE. EVERYONE can play nintendo's games, not just some pricks who take themselves to siriously they don't even think of having fun for once and stick to their key demographic.
Yeah I know. Now you know when I say kiddy I mean games with a low age rating, colourful and cartoony. I never said they all sucked. Some of them do however.

Some of the games with higher age ratings suck too but some of them are good. I prefer some of the non kiddy games to the kiddy ones, because I believe they do provide me with more fun. Just because everyone can play a game that doesn't mean its good.

[Virtual Fighter]

Then what's your fliping point? You go on and on how nintendo has "kiddy games", I disprove it then you back down from your argument.

-_-

[alamgir]

How did I back down? Look here's the point i'm trying to make, the majority of Nintendo's games are kiddy but not all kiddy games are crap.

[Virtual Fighter]

Then why even bring up? If you're not doing anything with the fact they are "kiddy" games, and admit that they don't suck, why ever say it?

It's like me going on and on how the PSP is too big but then admit that being big is a pretty good thing.

You're not making an assertive argument, you're dilly-dallying with the facts.

[alamgir]

My original arguement was that the PSP is better than the DS, its not about the kiddy games.

[Virtual Fighter]

And you havn't backed it up at all, you even started jumping positions once people out thought you.

[alamgir]

Who has out thought me? No one has backed why they think the DS is better than the PSP any more than I have in this topic.

[Virtual Fighter]

Fine. You forced me to. Prepare for a 5 post cataclism on why you're wrong!

[alamgir]

Oh man why now, my holidays are about to finish and the last thing i wanna focus is on is preparing a debate in favour of a hand held with all these exams coming up. Something tells me whatever you say and whatever i say won't change anything but go on if you want to.

[Virtual Fighter]

No, no, don't back out now, I've got 1178 words in my document and i'm barely disassabling your first post.

[Virtual Fighter]

[color=#000000]Graphics are way more advanced than the DS.

So? Who cares to see two extra dimples on Peter Parker

[Dan Hibiki]

PWNED

[~Mastermax~]

stole the words out of my mouth, hibiki that is.

but another thing to add, the play yan will cost around $20, while the difference between the ds' and psp's prices is way more than $20...

[SSJKarma]

Alamgir, i could tell you the same about the PSP games in about a year !
most of them will be KIDDY GAMES !

you see nintendo starts by the most biggest buyers !
the kids, then they go on with games you teens and adults will likes...
while sony and his PSP starts with a precise audience which bring cash but not so much and then do games for the kids cause the kids asked them to makes some for them !

so in the nutshell all console are kiddy consoles !
there is as much kiddy games on both consoles its just that you do not look at the right titles !
take my word, in exactly 1 year... the PSP and DS will have about the same number of kiddy games !

[alamgir]

[color=#000000][quote]So? Who cares to see two extra dimples on Peter Parker

[SSJKarma]

this is where the thing goes off alamgir... the gamelist itself !
the list you told us isn't even better then the DS lists !

you beg that PSP is better because of better games int he list... but thing is on that list much of these games aren't really that cool !
so you based all your arguments on a simple opinion of yours !
which wasn't all that maters !

graphics doesn't matter that much as the gameplay itself !
tell me are you playing DARKSTALKERS just for the characters because they looks cool or are you lking the game for its actual gameplay ?
that's what i thought... GTA was liked not for its graphical deals... believe me it could have been way graphiciers thern that ! yet people thought it was the most beautifull and gameplay wise the best game ever !

so the graphics doesn't give us much !
fact is... people want gameplay, they want a game that suits their style of play, may it be FPS, FIGHTING or ACTION SCROLLER or even BEAT EM UP (my personnal favorite)
so who cares if the PSP can do a lot more things then the DS ?
it costs less, have multiple games, of different styles to make people likes the different games their is, it offers variety which is the PSP up to now doesn't !

the different games the PSP offers are all games that has different styles but the PSP offers only old games revamped to fit the small screens !
come on, are you buying a handheld only for the games you already own ?
up to now i'm not impressed by sony's choice of games, i ask for variety for games i never seen up to now, or games that improve by a lot an already overused an engine !

i don't want ports !
i wants real gaming !
again, if you want gaming go with the DS, if ya want a MINI COMPUTER buy the PSP cause its what it is !

[~Mastermax~]

Who cares about graphics? I care. IF we no one cares about graphics then why did why buy the DS? Why aren't we playing on GBA's, or N64's instead of Gamecubes? IF graphics weren't an issue than why are Nintendo making 3d games for the DS? three problems with that.
1. you were probably one of the ps1 fanboys who played it while the n64 had much better graphics'
2. you just compared the n64 to ther gamecube which are completely different.
3. i still do play my n64, and i will be with my revolution eventually too. i don't play games for the graphics, i play them for a game thats fun.

Some people might like the idea. But the main thing about the UMD is that it holds the games. 1.8gb of data can be stored allowing bigger and better games as more content can be stored.
did you just ignore all of vf's post right there, you justified making movies that are more expensive to buy that lose sound quality and video quality and can only be shown on a tiny little screen by saying that they hold more space?
who give a flying flip about the space if you are limited to how you can use.



I can tell you I am quite happy with the mp3 playback on my PSP. I enjoy listening to music, what does intuition have to do with anything. Man I wonder if the DS had all this functionality what you would be saying. None of it is neccessary for a games machine but what harm is done with these extra features.
harm eh?
1. costs more becase of it.
2. increases the possibility for something to flip up.
3. it's just plain better to burn your mp3s to a cd that costs less than a dollars and read it on a cd player that costs 20 dollars.


Err well you can communicate with psp, in fact I even know how to actually video chat with it, which is more than I can say for the DS. Oh yeah I guess thats another thing the apparently usless USB connectivity can offer. You can also surf the internet with the PSP and download a variety of things. Can the DS do that? No.
why would you want to sit at home right next to your computor and surf the internet with your psp, which can't be that easy because it only has a analog stick, when you could just use the fliping computor your psp is attached to?



Likewise you can also sit at home , turn your games console on and play games with friends there on a big screen with surround sound too. So why buy a DS or a PSP especially with DS's two smaller more pixelated screens which don't even look capable of 3d games most of the time?
portable gaming system were made to be played portable, which many of the psps's features can't. the DS however was completely made for gaming on the go. the PSP (that is playstation portable) is not even easy to carry around without fear of scratching or dropping the huge ass window to uselessness on the ground.

In my opinion the games for PSP are better than the games than the games on the DS, review scores also prove this. the psp is just a system for sony to port all of their games to, so they make double the money.

When, you kind of have a digital camera in your house. You take a picture, transfer it to your psp using that "useless" USB connectivity and use wifi to send it to a friend.
or you could take a picture transfer it to your computor and host it on photo bucket for everyone to see.

Price isn't really an issue here for me. The DS is a weaker console. The PSP costs more but does more.the psp costs more for useless poop as i have completely said in the paragraphs above

I'm sorry but when I play games i'd usually rather drive a car then a cart, shoot, stab, punch, kick or blow up an enemy then jump on them and save the world from a nuclear holocaust then save a princess who gets kidnapped a lot. The games in my opinion are better.ok good for you, i hardly see what that has to do with anything at all


The screen of the PSP is much bigger and brighter than any of the nintendo ds's screens. I'd rather see 16.77 million colours than 260 000. at least the DS can keep all of their colors running longer, and without dead pixels.

With the PSP USB connectivity I can download updates giving me access to new software, while all anyone will ever be able to do with a DS other than play games is talking with people and drawing funny shapes with a digital crayon (get what I mean by kiddy?).again you could just use the computor that yoiu are using right now to do the exact same thing but without limitations. and the DS is an artists dream, my frend who wasn't a fan of nintendo got it for the sole purpose of the stylus. thus i received messages with high quality pictures drawn onto them in the middle of math class almost everyday, which invokes a competitive game of mario between the four people with a DS (well five, but flip that other kid)

You don't have to wath UMD movies. You can easily d/l any sort of movie to your psp from pc. So you can go outside and sit in a park and enjoy in the summer breeze. yes you can download a pirated version of a movie on the internet, then change it into mpeg-4 format, than delete everything on your memory stick, then go enjoy that rainy day of yours...

I just think the PSP's better than the DS simply because it offers more and mainly because I like the games list.
the thing to do here would be lineup both future game lists and proove that the DS is better, but i'm sure that's been done several times.

[alamgir]

Graphics help good games out, some of the good games out have really good graphics.

And by games list, I meant current games list. Just check out the review scores at gamespot, 10 psp games have a rating of 8 or more, while only 1 has the same on DS. And in your opinion the future games are better, but thats just your opinion. PSP doesn't offer a variety of games? You say you like beat em ups, so far there are none on the DS. So much for variety...

Ok, it seems we're going over the same things again and again here. My opinion hasn't budged.



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[~Mastermax~]

as there are none on the psp, except that poopty port of darstalkers. and karma don't diss the vampire saviour, it only sucked on the psp...

[alamgir]

It sucks? Have you played the game. I think its great and so do review scores.
why would you want to sit at home right next to your computor and surf the internet with your psp, which can't be that easy because it only has a analog stick, when you could just use the fliping computor your psp is attached to?

You don't need to sit next to your pc. You can go anywhere within range of a hotspot...

Anyway GC and N64 are different? They're both consoles 1 has a more advanced engine people bought the GC because of that.

I really can't be asked to argue with you guys no more. So i'll tell you I think the PSP's better than the DS. You think The DS is better than the PSP. Both of us buy consoles for fun. If we're having fun then a console has done its job, enough said.



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[~Mastermax~]

It sucks? Have you played the game. I think its great and so do review scores.
why would you want to sit at home right next to your computor and surf the internet with your psp, which can't be that easy because it only has a analog stick, when you could just use the fliping computor your psp is attached to?

You don't need to sit next to your pc. You can go anywhere within range of a hotspot...

Anyway GC and N64 are different? They're both consoles 1 has a more advanced engine people bought the GC because of that.

I really can't be asked to argue with you guys no more. So i'll tell you I think the PSP's better than the DS. You think The DS is better than the PSP. Both of us buy consoles for fun. If we're having fun then a console has done its job, enough said.
of course the n64 and gamecube are different, they are years apart. thats like saying, you would rather play a dreamcast then a genesis, because the graphics are better. NO! we get better consoles because times change and the gaming industry developes. the DS is pushing it into the future with more interactivity, the psp is pushing it backward. with adding only gimmicks and other useless poop. the psp is just a port of the ps2 with gimmicks and problems. the DS is something brand new with innovation. the portable gaming industry was invented on innovation, and should continue with it.


what do you see the future as?
video games that are so realistic that you think that your TV is just another real setting. no, it will be video games that you are apart of, games that you interact with everything and it reacts back to you.

[alamgir]

It sucks? Have you played the game. I think its great and so do review scores.
why would you want to sit at home right next to your computor and surf the internet with your psp, which can't be that easy because it only has a analog stick, when you could just use the fliping computor your psp is attached to?

You don't need to sit next to your pc. You can go anywhere within range of a hotspot...

Anyway GC and N64 are different? They're both consoles 1 has a more advanced engine people bought the GC because of that.

I really can't be asked to argue with you guys no more. So i'll tell you I think the PSP's better than the DS. You think The DS is better than the PSP. Both of us buy consoles for fun. If we're having fun then a console has done its job, enough said.
of course the n64 and gamecube are different, they are years apart. thats like saying, you would rather play a dreamcast then a genesis, because the graphics are better. NO! we get better consoles because times change and the gaming industry developes. the DS is pushing it into the future with more interactivity, the psp is pushing it backward. with adding only gimmicks and other useless poop. the psp is just a port of the ps2 with gimmicks and problems. the DS is something brand new with innovation. the portable gaming industry was invented on innovation, and should continue with it.


what do you see the future as?
video games that are so realistic that you think that your TV is just another real setting. no, it will be video games that you are apart of, games that you interact with everything and it reacts back to you.
Thats my point the difference between the Gamecube and N64 is the graphics. It was more powerful so people started buying it.

The PSP a port od of PS2 games? The DS isn't? Mario Kart DS? f Crystal Chronicles? Super Mario 64? You are mistaken, the PSP and DS both have versions of older games but they both have new ones.

As for innovation. 2 screens and a stylus. Wow, you get an extra screen for the function of mosts game's start button aka a map. i'd rather have 1 big screen with a clear view and great graphics, then 2 small rather pixelated (as far as 3d games are concerned) screens.

As for the touch screen. You get a stylus to control ordinary games? I'll take an analog stick to it any day. The games meant for the analog stick aren't exactly great either. I mean come on, a dating sim where you tickle girls with a stylus...Not interested.

[~Mastermax~]

the psp was made for ports, the DS wasn't, sure it has ports, but that's not why it was made.
and obviously you haven't even played a DS ever, because feel the magic is niether a dating sim, nor is there a point were you tickle somebody.

[alamgir]

I have played a DS and although I haven't played Feel the magic i've seen footage where you use the stylus on people.

[~Mastermax~]

i own feel the magic, and there is no game where you tickle anyone. you can feel on the host girl, but she gets pissed, even though she let you put her in a bunny costume, or even naked. is this a kiddy game?

[alamgir]

Did I say it was? Not like you can see much with its dodgy visuals anyway.

[Virtual Fighter]

Who cares about graphics? I care. IF we no one cares about graphics then why did why buy the DS? Why aren't we playing on GBA's, or N64's instead of

Gamecubes? IF graphics weren't an issue than why are Nintendo making 3d games for the DS?

Because it's something that comes along naturally with time and advances in graphics modeling? But to judge a game or system soley by it's graphics, that's

retarded. That's like judging how good a book is by the font they use.


You can download firmware updates straight off the internet for new software. You can upload music, videos etc.

I already explained why music AND videos are a terrible idea. PSP wants to be a jack of all trades but only is good at one.

Some people might like the idea. But the main thing about the UMD is that it holds the games. 1.8gb of data can be stored allowing bigger and better

games as more content can be stored.


Games?

Let me tell you something about the games. They suck. They pop out, they scratch, and they skip. None of Nintendo's cartrages do that. Disks scratch. That's

the way of life. For the PSP to do such a thing with a PORTABLE device, where scratches and falls and breaks are abundant is foolish and overamibious.

Does the nintendo cartages do this?

http://nfg.2y.net/games/PSP/psp_flying.swf

Where do the get scratced? Right fliping here:

http://nfg.2y.net/games/PSP/PSP9.jpg


I can tell you I am quite happy with the mp3 playback on my PSP. I enjoy listening to music, what does intuition have to do with anything. Man I wonder if

the DS had all this functionality what you would be saying. None of it is neccessary for a games machine but what harm is done with these extra

features.

Wonder if? Wonder if? Let's look at the fliping facts:

DS doesn't have any of this over priced, expencive, slapped on bullpoop hardware that just trys to destract your mind from their bullpoop games.

It doesn't have playlists.
It only plays from alphebetical order.
It's hard to reach such a state.


I'd rather cut the bullpoop and just buy an ipod.



Err well you can communicate with psp, in fact I even know how to actually video chat with it, which is more than I can say for the DS. Oh yeah I guess thats

another thing the apparently usless USB connectivity can offer. You can also surf the internet with the PSP and download a variety of things. Can the DS do

that? No.

To do that you need:

1) High speed internet access
2) A video camera
3) A fliping chord
4) Someone on the other side to do the same thing
5) Pay for everything.

Yes, this is a brilliant idea! High up the fliping prices, adding useless hardware that doesn't even work, and iwll make you buy a whole gangload worth of

iquipment in order to get your stupid picture to your stupid friend.

If I wanted to video chat with someone, I would go to their house and talk to them. See, I actually have friends, who don't need to see me through

some camera because they live across the country and I found them in an online chat room. If I wanted to tell them "hey, lets's play", all I need is a

fliping phone, or a chat system. Both of those which the PSP doesn't have. One of those which the DS does have.

Why would a video camera chat thing that costs like 5 billion dollars be usefull? You don't need to see my stupid face for me to say "Hey, let's play!" nor

do I need to see their stupid face for them to tell me the same.

This is supposed to be portable, not a fliping desktop machine where I need to carry like 30 accessories just to do whatever bullpoop thing I need to do.



Likewise you can also sit at home , turn your games console on and play games with friends there on a big screen with surround sound too. So why buy a DS or

a PSP especially with DS's two smaller more pixelated screens which don't even look capable of 3d games most of the time?

In my opinion the games for PSP are better than the games than the games on the DS, review scores also prove this.


YOU HAVNT EVEN GIVEN AND REVIEW SCORES.

Once you do that, then you can spread your fan boy propeganda and impotent suckling on the oppiniated tit of the reviewer.


Second, Nintendo has always made portable devices. Key word portable. Not one of these machines like the PSP which raelly has only one portable use, and the

others need some chords or huge machine connected to them to work.


When, you kind of have a digital camera in your house. You take a picture, transfer it to your psp using that "useless" USB connectivity and use wifi to send

it to a friend.

Or you can not have to buy all that bullpoop, go through all that bullpoop just to do a simple bullpoop opperation like sending a fliping picture to some

random fliping person you met on the fliping internet.


Price isn't really an issue here for me. The DS is a weaker console. The PSP costs more but does more.

Well maybe for you, but we don't have $500 to spend on 10 games. We don't have a quarter of a grand on a "portable" gaming device.

I'm sorry but when I play games i'd usually rather drive a car then a cart, shoot, stab, punch, kick or blow up an enemy then jump on them and save the world from a nuclear holocaust then save a princess who gets kidnapped a lot. The games in my opinion are better.

Who gives a flip about your oppinion? Anyone who says the games of now are better than the games of old ARN'T REAL GAMERS.

The screen of the PSP is much bigger and brighter than any of the nintendo ds's screens. I'd rather see 16.77 million colours than 260 000

So? The human eve can only distinguish 32 bit color, which is 260,000 colors. Anything else is just fliping bullpoop..


I just think the PSP's better than the DS simply because it offers more and mainly because I like the games list.

A game list which 1) Most of them arn't out yet. 2) Most of them have problems. 3) They have gotten bad ratigns because of their cheap, rushed designs and gameplay.


Here's a comic I made which basically sums up everything I have to say:

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload9/pspsucksballs.gif

Oh, and I guess I shoudl tell you that it has obcene language and images.

[Dan Hibiki]

You're also forgetting that the PSP as a portable device really, really sucks, as it only has a 2 1/2 to 3 hour battery life for most of the features you've mentioned, including game play.

[Shingko]

bringing back the issue about graphics, you guys keep saying graphics don't matter but you forget there are kids, kids younger then us that probably get amused with pretty colours and how cool there fave hero looks like very easily. i should know, i don't know much about video games (the last one i bought was when the N64 came out), but when i finally bought a psp i was "overcomed" on how it looks. and virtual fighter, i hope that you intensionily made that comic incorrect, cause it is wrong.

oh after reading your posts, alamgir and all the stuff it does.......i didn't even know that!!!! can you tell me or show a tutorial on how to do those things?

and Dan Hibiki, who said it has 3 hours of battery it was 6 hours and 41 mins



Edited By Shingko on 1117929749

[Royal_Flush]

OMG THE flipING STYLUS IS JUST A FLATSCREEN PORTABLE COMPUTER MOUSE!

[Virtual Fighter]

and virtual fighter, i hope that you intensionily made that comic incorrect, cause it is wrong.
Obvious-fliping-ly.

It's a little thing called commedy.

[Shingko]

ok ok no need for hating in this forum...we leave that in SFO :D

[Dan Hibiki]

and Dan Hibiki, who said it has 3 hours of battery it was 6 hours and 41 mins
I have read from MULTIPLE sources that games that are intensive on reading the disc, and movies only last about 3 hours.

[SSJKarma]

True, the PSP runs a normal lithium battery which is small and gives you only around 6 hours of normal things but only 3 hours on a big games ! the DS can go all the way to the 18 hours mark !

ALAMGIR, all you do is base yourself on stats given by users and their opinions, while we only brought fact given by the manufacturers themselves !
the scores that you mention that are all above 8 !
well tell yourself that MGS2 was like 10/10 for like 1 months, until blam it suddently goes off to a mere 7/10 !

give em times and i'm sure you game reviewed above 8 will eventually go down under 7 !
basically alamgir, your 100% emotionnal here, there is no debate for you its all the "PSP is BETTER final point whatever you do it will never change my view on it" type of speech !

to the other guy... actually i never ditched DARKSTALKERS for its one of my better games !
for me the DARKSTALKER : CHRONICLES on DREAMCAST is the best port ever ! as for BEAT EM UPS, well you guys should look more into it and see that for the past 4 years BEAT EM UPS have simply stopped existing ! so i didn't expected either of the handhelds to have any anyway !

as i mentionned... gameplay is the key in a game, people don't care much for the graphics even the small kids don't look at it ! they see the graphics tell's themselves its cool, play it and since only the graphics are cool and that the game doesn't offer good gameplay, they waste it or sell it back for another game !

again graphics only give you so few things in itself...
example... METROID ont he old nes... it wasn't graphicals yet it made it into the best game ever created for what ? its gameplay, an innovative gameplay ! the world ask for innovation which up to now, handheld wise, the DS has innovated by giving something all the other consoles never given ! a second screen and a stylus that can be used a pointing device which in my view is way better then an analog stick !

maybe the PSP has more features, but look at it the right side... its a very expansive handheld !
you gotta pay for internet, you gotta pay for the game, you gotta pay for the USB cables, you gotta pay for the new USB things, you gotta pay for each games, you gotta pay a lot for each features ! i wouldn't even be surprise if you ever gotta pay to update your PSP ! everything sony made was for the sole purpose of making money and the best way to make money is to give the users a lot of things to do with their consoles including making you pay for each separate features they will add later on !

in the nutshell... the DS will have costed me only a poor 300$ while your PSP with all will have costed 5 times that number ! i say its pretty better to buy a less potent handheld which will give you enough money to have a lot more games for it !

The rest explains itself, the games aren't what makes the consoles, the graphics aren't it either... the gameplay is, the fun factor is. innovation is the key to sucess in our world. the DS gives all of this while the PSP only gives us features you already have seen ont he computers and to that point i rather buy a PORTABLE MINI-COMPUTER that will do even more then the PSP for even less money !

conclusion, the PSP is just a market toy for you to spend all your money only trying to follow its lead which leads to nowhere !

maybe the PSP is better graphically, and maybe it sa way to actually acknoledge the fact it costes more... but fact remains there... if you pay for things you already have, then you paid for nothing !

BTW, i like how everytimes i speak you just ignore my post cause i am right and you know it !

[alamgir]

I've already posted review scores VF. 10 PSP games got 8 or more out of 10 while only 1 got the same for DS.

Karma, i'm sure you know that everything the handhelds can do, something else we already own can do. But still people buy a DS/PSP.

Although you might say the psp expensive. It is a console that will go far into the future. Prices are set to be lowered in summer and more good games are coming out. It''ll have updates directly from the web. Who said you need high speed internet, the internet any of us are using will do.
No one is asking you to buy any USB "things", you'll only connect to them if you have them.

Because it's something that comes along naturally with time and advances in graphics modeling? But to judge a game or system soley by it's graphics, that's

retarded. That's like judging how good a book is by the font they use.

If Nintendo wanted to use 3d graphics they should have made them as good as the competition. Most of the 3d graphics in DS games look terrible. If graphics weren't an issue then why were Nintendo advertising about how they're console can play N64 graphics? If you can't make the 3d graphics look good or as good as the competition then why bother?

And its not like i'm solely judging the systems on graphics, i'm judging them by their games too as I believe they are the most important thing. You wanted proof of those review scores, go and check how well your great DS games are doing here (http://www1.gamespot.com/finder/findgames.html). Oh yeah, funnny how the only good game on DS is a port of an old game...

Games?

Let me tell you something about the games. They suck. They pop out, they scratch, and they skip. None of Nintendo's cartrages do that. Disks scratch. That's

the way of life. For the PSP to do such a thing with a PORTABLE device, where scratches and falls and breaks are abundant is foolish and overamibious.

Does the nintendo cartages do this?

http://nfg.2y.net/games/PSP/psp_flying.swf

Where do the get scratced? Right fliping here:

I would agree with you there if I had the problem. But I don't, I don't know why it happens to others but never has anything happened like that to my PSP. The DS is flawless? I don't think so...

"The Nintendo DS is not without its problems, including some difficulty simultaneously seeing both screens clearly due to parallax -- the shifting of the view when seen from different angles -- depending on which screen you are looking at in a given moment. If looking at the top screen, the bottom screen will seem to dim in comparison, and vice versa.

The stylus is far too small, especially for adults with large hands. Stubby pencils that are distributed to fill out forms at government offices are larger, thicker, and therefore much more manageable and easier to use.

The keys on the virtual keyboard are too small and require a high degree of accuracy when typing a message. A longer stylus would mitigate this problem.

The Nintendo DS locked up completely about a minute into the PictoChat session. It gave no indication of the problem. The only method of unfreezing and recovering from the system error was to shut down and reboot the machine.

In the span of an hour, three of the six Nintendo DS units froze in a similar manner while running three different applications, which suggests a firmware or hardware problem. Keep in mind that these were late pre-production models. If it is a firmware issue a software update should be able to fix the problem. If there is something wrong with the hardware, that is much more serious.

Finally, an ergonomic issue arises when playing games in stylus/touchscreen mode. The weight of the unit has to be supported by one hand, which leads to a sore hand after extended use. Nintendo says it will resolve the problem with a stylus that you can strap to your thumb, giving players the ability to use the stylus while holding the Nintendo DS with both hands."

Wonder if? Wonder if? Let's look at the fliping facts:

DS doesn't have any of this over priced, expencive, slapped on bullpoop hardware that just trys to destract your mind from their bullpoop games.

It doesn't have playlists.
It only plays from alphebetical order.
It's hard to reach such a state.


I'd rather cut the bullpoop and just buy an ipod.


Distract your mind from gaming? Lol/ I don't care about playlists, heck if i'm listening to a song i'm ok with that. Man you people are so lazy, all you have to do is select a song or even leave it at random, surely you won't mind that if you put the songs you like on the PSP.

others need some chords or huge machine connected to them to work

I take it that you all have a PC, and a USB link cable, maybe some songs too. All you have to do is connect with the USB link and upload the songs. Its not hard and it won't make you bankrupt. That's like saying you can't even be asked to put the DS's charger on, or even get the stylus out of the back.

Who gives a flip about your oppinion? Anyone who says the games of now are better than the games of old ARN'T REAL GAMERS.

Who gives a flip about your opinion? If you loved your old games so much go and stick with your snes or whatever you had.

So? The human eve can only distinguish 32 bit color, which is 260,000 colors. Anything else is just fliping bullpoop..

And the human eye can see the difference between high and low resolution and the colours do show a big difference.

A game list which 1) Most of them arn't out yet. 2) Most of them have problems. 3) They have gotten bad ratigns because of their cheap, rushed designs and gameplay

The current games list of PSP is much better than the DS as review scores prove. IF anything the DS games were rushed, because most of them are rubbish.

[~Mastermax~]

I've already posted review scores VF. 10 PSP games got 8 or more out of 10 while only 1 got the same for DSgame scores are just opinions from a single person, or a group of people. certain sources are payed by large game companies such as EA or sony. that's porbably one of those sources...


Karma, i'm sure you know that everything the handhelds can do, something else we already own can do. But still people buy a DS/PSP.what other game console and play on two screen one of which can be touched? the psp is a port of ps2, while the DS would be a computor with two moniters, one of which stolen from a hotel that you can touch. but there are no games for my old two moniter peice of crap computor with o software that has no software for the touch screen to work.


Although you might say the psp expensive. It is a console that will go far into the future. Prices are set to be lowered in summer and more good games are coming out. It''ll have updates directly from the web. Who said you need high speed internet, the internet any of us are using will do.
No one is asking you to buy any USB "things", you'll only connect to them if you have them.how is the psp puching use ahead? as i said before the future will be for interactivity, not graphics. a psp is like what cell phones are. cell phones have not really progressed at all, they have just gotten smaller with more gimmicks thrown in. is that not what a psp is. a portable phone that has gimmicks sounds a lot like a portable playstation with useless gimmicks thrown in.


If Nintendo wanted to use 3d graphics they should have made them as good as the competition. Most of the 3d graphics in DS games look terrible. If graphics weren't an issue then why were Nintendo advertising about how they're console can play N64 graphics? If you can't make the 3d graphics look good or as good as the competition then why bother? nintendo understands that graphics aren't everything. the DS would be incredibly expensive if it was two 128 screens, and because the screens can't be that big, 128 and 32 don't look that different at that size. the DS was designed before the psp, but they heard that sony wanted to design their own portable gaming system, so they didn't reveal it til the psp's design was set in stone. that way the DS is ahead of the psp and the psp can' be changed. sony realized their system would be blown out of the water so they added on the gimmicks to attract more of an audience. that's why the psp doesn't seem to be designed the best for all the stupid functions it has.


"The Nintendo DS is not without its problems, including some difficulty simultaneously seeing both screens clearly due to parallax -- the shifting of the view when seen from different angles -- depending on which screen you are looking at in a given moment. If looking at the top screen, the bottom screen will seem to dim in comparison, and vice versa.
why would you want to look at both screen simultaniously, i've never had a problem with it at all, if i'm in a position where boths screens can't be seen clearly, i just push the top screen further back, which it was made to do in such a case.


The stylus is far too small, especially for adults with large hands. Stubby pencils that are distributed to fill out forms at government offices are larger, thicker, and therefore much more manageable and easier to use. i have big hands, i mean huge, being 6'3" comes with them. I never have had problems with the stylus. if i ever do i can use the attachment for my thumb that comes with the system and use my thumb.


The keys on the virtual keyboard are too small and require a high degree of accuracy when typing a message. A longer stylus would mitigate this problem.never had that problem either


The Nintendo DS locked up completely about a minute into the PictoChat session. It gave no indication of the problem. The only method of unfreezing and recovering from the system error was to shut down and reboot the machine.the only problem that pictochat that i have seen is it exits the chat room if yoiu flip the screen down, making it so you disappear from chat. it's supposed to help you, but in certain situations (such as a teacher walking by) it can be annoying.


In the span of an hour, three of the six Nintendo DS units froze in a similar manner while running three different applications, which suggests a firmware or hardware problem. Keep in mind that these were late pre-production models. If it is a firmware issue a software update should be able to fix the problem. If there is something wrong with the hardware, that is much more serious. and they fixed that problem obviously if it was in preproduction, nintendo has never made a system with a problem such as that. if there was one, then nintendo would wait to release it. microsoft and sony however, didn't fix any problems until half a year later.


Finally, an ergonomic issue arises when playing games in stylus/touchscreen mode. The weight of the unit has to be supported by one hand, which leads to a sore hand after extended use. Nintendo says it will resolve the problem with a stylus that you can strap to your thumb, giving players the ability to use the stylus while holding the Nintendo DS with both hands."that's why god gave use knees and tables...


Distract your mind from gaming? Lol/ I don't care about playlists, heck if i'm listening to a song i'm ok with that. Man you people are so lazy, all you have to do is select a song or even leave it at random, surely you won't mind that if you put the songs you like on the PSP.you have been giving all of these explanations to fix a problem, when the problem shouldn't exist in the first place...


I take it that you all have a PC, and a USB link cable, maybe some songs too. All you have to do is connect with the USB link and upload the songs. Its not hard and it won't make you bankrupt. That's like saying you can't even be asked to put the DS's charger on, or even get the stylus out of the back.difference between pulling the stylus out of the back of a DS and playing music on a psp.
1.reach around and grope for stylus
2. place fingers on stylus in a way to grip it
3. pull
4 awe and marve| at the ease of it.

1. buy computor
2 get music, there are no legal ways to get them for free so have fun with this step(now would be a good time to realize you can throw your psp out and play better games on your computor for free, such as enemy territory)
3. buy usb cable
4. buy 100 dollar memory stick
5. create folder on memory stick for music
6. make a simular folder on psp
7. transfer music to psp from computor
8. step back there might be flying shrapnel from such a strain on the psp
9. copy music from psp to stick
10. play music from stick using only alphabetical order.



Who gives a flip about your opinion? If you loved your old games so much go and stick with your snes or whatever you hadthat is not opinion, anyone who really is a gamer knows that. somebody before said that the DS is for real gamers, while the psp is for "omg i'm a gamer becuase i watch mtv and that's a fad now, and video mods is a good show and not owned by microsoft. i see you as one of those people too. i mean dante is now sony's little bitch who they put in games he shouldn't even be in. and we all know only the first dmc was good.


And the human eye can see the difference between high and low resolution and the colours do show a big difference. ummm no it's doesn't. why don't you see for yourself, the human eye can barely see a difference between 16 and 32, so change your computor settings between the two and try to see difference.


The current games list of PSP is much better than the DS as review scores prove. IF anything the DS games were rushed, because most of them are rubbish. now what game that is on the psp right now, is better than wario ware touched, or feel the magic? metal gear acid? hell no, the psp is relying only on gimmicks and you know it.


*note* bitching comic vf...



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[alamgir]

Funny how you nintendo fans are blindly ignoring review scores which show how the PSP games are better than the DS games.

what other game console and play on two screen one of which can be touched? the psp is a port of ps2, while the DS would be a computor with two moniters, one of which stolen from a hotel that you can touch. but there are no games for my old two moniter peice of crap computor with o software that has no software for the touch screen to work.


You say the psp has too many extra features. Look whose combining things now. With two screens you say you don't need to look at both simultaneously, then what is the point in having 2 screens if your not gonna look at both or not gonna have both running at the same time? You add something pointless and call it innovation. As for the touch screen, its been done before on my PDA, and yet you call the PSP a mini computer.

Erm you have to know I was being slightly sarcastic about pulling out the stylus thing. And buy 100 dollar memory stick? You get one free with your psp? Buy a pc? What are you using to talk here now?

You say interactivity is the future, my point exactly. With a psp you can interact with several devices, with a ds you can interact with nothing else other than other hand helds.

ummm no it's doesn't. why don't you see for yourself, the human eye can barely see a difference between 16 and 32, so change your computor settings between the two and try to see difference

Yes it does actually, why is there such a graphical difference between the systems? Because of the colour displays. Why do PSP games look more detailed and more 3d than those on DS, because of the different tones and shades of different colours

that is not opinion, anyone who really is a gamer knows that. somebody before said that the DS is for real gamers, while the psp is for "omg i'm a gamer becuase i watch mtv and that's a fad now, and video mods is a good show and not owned by microsoft. i see you as one of those people too. i mean dante is now sony's little bitch who they put in games he shouldn't even be in. and we all know only the first dmc was good.

Somebody said huh? Somebody said the Ds sucked, somebody said it couldn't compare to the PSP. This is your opinion man, what makes a true gamer is opinion. Dante's sony's bitch? Hello Mario and Link for nintendo. They're freaking everywhere.

that's why god gave use knees and tables...

Yeah I suppose god gave you a table to put your portable console on when your in a train/plane/park so you can rest your arm while you use the stylus.

You nintendo fans are all the same, your stuck in the past and you just won't let go. Anyway i'm kind of bored of wasting time on such a topic, its clear none of us give a poop about what the other says so I don't think there's much point in arguing for nothing.

[~Mastermax~]

Funny how you nintendo fans are blindly ignoring review scores which show how the PSP games are better than the DS games.
funny how you blindly ignored my lst post, about how they are just someone's opinion's bribed by major gaming companies. all of my agruements are from facts about the systems, yours are opinions from yourself and reviewers.


You say the psp has too many extra features. Look whose combining things now. With two screens you say you don't need to look at both simultaneously, then what is the point in having 2 screens if your not gonna look at both or not gonna have both running at the same time? You add something pointless and call it innovation. As for the touch screen, its been done before on my PDA, and yet you call the PSP a mini computer.what game have you played where you have to look at two things simultaniously? you don't look at both screens at once, you look back and forth between them. and what pda has two screens? a DS is better than a pda which is good if it is based off of one, but a psp is no where near better than a computor that costs half as much as a psp.



Erm you have to know I was being slightly sarcastic about pulling out the stylus thing. And buy 100 dollar memory stick? You get one free with your psp? Buy a pc? What are you using to talk here now? you realize i was being sarcastic about buying a computor, but it still relies on one. yes most people have one, but what if you didn't then what?



You say interactivity is the future, my point exactly. With a psp you can interact with several devices, with a ds you can interact with nothing else other than other hand helds.it's not interactivity with other machines, it's interactivity with yourself. and the psp is only interactive with a computor, my old gbc interacted with more machines than your psp. with 007 i could flip with a lot of tvs and stereos and other infared devices...


Yes it does actually, why is there such a graphical difference between the systems? Because of the colour displays. Why do PSP games look more detailed and more 3d than those on DS, because of the different tones and shades of different coloursok you aren't listening to me, minimize this window, and right click on your desktop and click properties, then click settings and change the display list back and forth between 16 and 32, and you won't see any difference. the psp looks more detailed becuase it has more polygons, that's not colors it's polygons.



Somebody said huh? Somebody said the Ds sucked, somebody said it couldn't compare to the PSP. This is your opinion man, what makes a true gamer is opinion. Dante's sony's bitch? Hello Mario and Link for nintendo. They're freaking everywhere.you forgot that link and mario are in good games, while dante's only put in games to butcher them. the first one he guest stared in was a port of a game from the gamecube. they took out one of the better charectors and replaced him with dante and thus the story was really fliped upl, not to mention the graphics were toned down becuase it was originally designed for gamecube.

[alamgir]

The PSP can interact with any usb and wifi devices of which there are many.

Its not about the polygons, its about the different shades of colour you have on the screen's pixels which shows a difference. Obviously the difference between 16 and 32 is going to be smaller than the difference between 100's of thousands and millions.

all of my agruements are from facts about the systems, yours are opinions from yourself and reviewers.

Funny, I recall you being the one thinking of wario and feel the magic being flawless.

What game was Dante in that your talking about?

[~Mastermax~]

The PSP can interact with any usb and wifi devices of which there are many.

Its not about the polygons, its about the different shades of colour you have on the screen's pixels which shows a difference. Obviously the difference between 16 and 32 is going to be smaller than the difference between 100's of thousands and millions.

all of my agruements are from facts about the systems, yours are opinions from yourself and reviewers.

Funny, I recall you being the one thinking of wario and feel the magic being flawless.

What game was Dante in that your talking about?
ok then what can it do with my DS if it is interactive with anything?



that doesn't make a difference, colors don't change it, polygons do. are you ignorant? with more polygons and pixels you can make the graphics better, not the colors, there is no difference between 32 and 64 to the eye.

[alamgir]

You can transfer several different types of content with wifi and USB.

Each pixel is shaded with colours. Surely you'll be able to tell the difference between 16.77 million and 260 000.

Anyway what game with Date in are you talking about?

[~Mastermax~]

i guess i forgot to mention the title of the game twice now didnt i? it was veiwtiful joe, whcih was only supposed to be on gamecube but was later released on the ps2 with dante added instead of alister the thunderboy and the graphics toned down


the human eye isn't that perceptive, do i need to beat that into your head with a stick?

[alamgir]

You know what? I'm bored of going over the same lines and listening to the same lines again and again. You can do and play on your DS's and i'll go and play on my PSP. As long as we're all happy and entertained then our consoles have done their jobs right?

[~Mastermax~]

ah thanks for conceding...

[SSJKarma]

Alamgir, you simply wasted all your effort trying to convince us of something completely false !

the DS having sucking 3D ?
that is the most stupidiest thing you could ever told us !
yes the companies have made the games loks rubbish... but that doesn'T make the console rubbish !
think of it this way, if they could do a pretty damn good 3D engine with METROID HUNTER then clearly the DS can do pretty extensive 3D ! as i told you numerous times, you'r ebasing a handheld on games that aren't even made by the companies that created the console itself which is the worst thing you could ever do !

a good example would be this...
if i have the most advanced computer ever but decides to make a text only game for it, will it tells you that the computer i have is the worst computer ever created ?
the answer is no...
you gotta look under the hood and see that the DS can do pretty much the very same effects that you PSP can do !

i seen both publicity and both have shown movies running on them and both at about the very same graphics !
both were playing games at the very same levels !
and nope, i played the DS with that stylus and nopw it doesn't is ankward... its actually easy to play with both hands using the stylus, if you have a problem with it, then its you who isn't made for it ! the stylus actually played pretty damn right !

anyway... both handhelds have their pro's and con's, but my opinion is that the PSP has more CON's then pro's !
Money is the biggest con's it has !

[alamgir]

ah thanks for conceding...
Oh if I conceded I would say the DS is better but its not. I'm just tired of hearing and saying the same things over and over again to stubborn people.

And Karma, if the console can only provide one game with decent graphics then its not good. When the full capabilites of each console are reached with the games you'll see that.

[SSJKarma]

i doubt it, cause i'm sure there are bound to be a lot of bad games coming on for PSP as well... just as much as there is always bad games for all console ever existing !

and BTW, there isn't just 1 good game on DS, there are plenty of em ! its just that they are not your kind of games thus you say they sucks !

[alamgir]

I never said that Metroid Hunters was the only good game I just said it was the only one with decent graphics. Coded Arms looks better though.

[Virtual Fighter]

The rules are, the first one to say "let's stop debating" loses. So, alamgir loses.


(It's the fliping rules)

[Shingko]

tsk tsk tsk still at it? all i could show is this:

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/050404.jpg

if you don't understand this you shouldn't be in here



Edited By Shingko on 1118098107

[Virtual Fighter]

Any dumbass would understand that stupid comic strip, VG cats (BTW, thanks for stealing their bandwith) is the most retarded webcomic ever.

[Dark_Paladin_X]

tsk tsk tsk still at it? all i could show is this:

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/050404.jpg

if you don't understand this you shouldn't be in here
lmao. OWNED

oh man. my stomach hurts NOW

[Master_Jay]

Sony's PSP > Nintendo DS

PSP has more features than DS.

[Virtual Fighter]

Thanks for clarrifying that with that huge, well thought out, original post of yours.

You are the poster boy of what a run of the mill sony zealot is like.

[SSJKarma]

Alamgir, there it is another proofs that you don't even read our posts !
i said in one of my post that if game slike METROID HUNTER could have great graphics ont he DS then truly any developpers could make the ame graphics for all their games !

so basically your not saying the PSP is better but that the companies that create games for the PSP are better !
now that would be a good point, but nope, you ditch the DS just because the other companies make it look bad !

that is truly not a debate here...
you're giving us only opinions of yours which isn't debating materials in a true debate !

[alamgir]

The rules are, the first one to say "let's stop debating" loses. So, alamgir loses.


(It's the fliping rules)
Your fliping rules and I haven't said i'll stop debating. Although there's not much left for either of us to say, but if it makes you feel any better then go on.

Karma, i'm not saying a game is only good because of its graphics. If they can make games like metroid then why don't they? The developers aren't making games with good graphics. And when or if they do make all games like that the psp game developers will also increase the graphics quality in their games since the psp is a more powerful system.