Street fighter vs. dragon ball(not counting gt.... - Or anything contradtcing the manga) - Page 95

SBYRD5 · 02-06-2003, 06:34 PM

Joe you made the orignazation SFPOA.Perhaps it's time to start it back up again.

That makes sense Joe about Goku,but I've always been a fan of Tien,Piccolo,Vegeta.

I kinda like Krillen.

I don't like Gohan(I did like him as Teen Gohan SSJ2)
I don't like Goku(I did like him as SSJ3...his vioce deepens on both versions....and he looks awesome,and how he defeated Fruzia.)

Oh this is my last post here because I'm not exactly debating with you I'm spamming.

Roll · 02-07-2003, 09:21 PM

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ost_uid0="Nantuko Joe"][quote

ost_uid0="Roll"]Awww... too bad. It is just that fast, Nantuko. Rose could counter with an "Aura Soul Spark Illusion" (My name for it ^_^) and still have time to find out Goku's favorite food is.(This is if he were exactly like in the dub).

And, actually, she could read their minds, tell Gill, and Gill could conjure (SP?) up some ice (which happens instantly.

) around them. And, in case you didn't know, Ice DOES reflect light, and very well too. It's a fact.[/quote]
Well, I have never seen an aura spark before, so I'll have to take your word for it.

And she can't read their minds and tell Gill what to do in less than one second, literally. And until Hibiki finishes his research, Gill can't do ANYTHING "instantly", unless you can find something written by the creator of Street Fighter and Gill that states otherwise.

And how can she counter three attacks faster than the speed of light? If you're thinking of what you said before, about her cloning herself 3-5 times, well, think about this:

She'd have to clone herself 3-5 times AND use the "Aura Spark Illusion" before all three of them can yell "Taiyoken" (which takes literally about one second to yell). I doubt that's possible. I SINCERELY doubt it.

And you said she can only do 3-5 clones? How about if Kuririn uses his "tri-form" and Tien uses his "twelve eyes"? Then she'd have to counter the Taiyokens of four Tiens, three Kuririns, and a Goku.

And please take note: Those two Taiyoken pictures occurred when Goku had a PL of about 16,000 and Kuririn had about 2,000. After the Buu Saga (or whenever this battle is taking place), their powerlevels are in the VERY high millions/low billions (except for Kuririn and Tien, they're about 100,000 each). They can pull it off even quicker then. Cell used a Taiyoken in the Cell Saga, and he pulled it off in mere nanoseconds slower than instantly.[/quote]
ok... about Gill:
Go here, and read up on Gill. This is also from the handbook of "All about capcom", and some things from the guy who wrote this. It shows that he can create and uncreate Fire and Ice out of no where. In other words, no need for water! It just happens! ^-^;
http://www.orochi.com/sffaq/characters.html
...Ok, so it may not be instantly. But Rose, Dhalsim, and a few others can read their minds, and tell Gill to place ice all around them before everyone can do the Taiyoken, which will take less than enough time to do so. The reading of minds is fast with Dhalsim, along with Rose.

Oh, and keep in mind that the site is not the entire handbook thing. The official "All about Capcom" thing has way more info in it. The site just has major details.

About the Rose theory:

It takes her less than a second to do get the clones. In the game, after you execute the Soul Illusion, she automatically get's the "other" Rose's to help her fight, which enables her 3-6 hits per attack, depending on the strength of the attack and the strength of the Soul Illusion. When combined with Aura Soul Spark (Version 2, where she does a weak punch>Roundhouse>Fierce Punch> Soul Spark in which the Soul Spark does three hits) she does up to 17 hits on one character with the attack. When combined with the Aura Soul Spark (Version 3, the one with the reflection) It can reflect more than one Projectile, whether it is Strong (fire Hadouken, Gou Hadouken), a normal one (like a hadouken), or a "super Art" projectile (Messatsu Gou Hadou, Shinkuu Haduken, Kikoshou, Shinkuu Gaduken, Super Tiger Shot, etc.) right back at the opponent with the effect of a mirror (sort of) and she throws in a 3 hit Soul Spark, which, according to Tarkan's buddy in someplace earlier in this thread, numbs out the part of the body it hits. So 3 hits that make you numb, which in this case would spread through the body would make the person helpless, along with the reflection of the Taiyoken which is possible.

In general, there are only 9 directions to attack from (above, north, west, south, east, northeast, northwest, southeast, southwest), and Rose and her other 5 clones could probably handle helping the streetfighters escape the Taiyoken by surrounding them, and using the Aura Soul Spark just before they use Taiyoken.

And, by the time they could actually split themselves, Gill could freeze them or burn them up! ^-^;

Nantuko Joe · 02-08-2003, 09:22 AM

Even though that was not official bio on Gill, I figured out this much:

-Gill is not a god. Rather, he is "like a god." (you guys kept saying that he WAS a god, and cannot go to hell.)
-Gill can summon and unsummon fire and ice
-Gill's organization does not build him bodies. Rather, they build about 1,000 bodies to fight each other, and the strongest becomes the new "Emperor." Gill's body was the one who won the fight, and so he became the new "Emperor." (therefore, if Gill dies, he does not get a new body, but rather, a new non-Gill "Emperor" takes his place.)
-Gill's ability to survive a Shun Goku Satsu is not in the official Cannon storyline (so in this debate he can indeed go to hell)
-*Even if it did happen in the official storyline, surviving does not mean that he can "survive in hell," as Hibiki said. It said "he simply resurrected himself."

That information changes this entire debate that Gill is included in. Now for Rose...

A Taiyoken cannot be reflected in any way, because it is not a beam, projectile, or anything. It's a brightening of the sunlight. So even if it could be reflected, she'd have to move faster than the speed of light (impossible) Also, I timed myself, and it takes about .8 seconds to yell "Taiyoken." It is not possible for Rose to create 5 clones, have them each face a different direction to try and counter an attack, and launch their counters in .8 seconds. Even though she can launch the clones in .8 seconds, it does not mean that her reaction speed is .8 seconds. So in .8 seconds, Rose would have to realize that an attack is coming, then launch the clones, then have them use the Aura Spark. And I don't see that happening in .8 seconds.Nor can anyone read the minds of Goku, Tien and Kuririn, sense the attack coming, tell everyone else, and have them do what they need to do, in .8 seconds.

And as far as Gill goes, he would also need to know what is happening in order to form the ice/fire. To say his combined reaction speed and the time it takes to form the ice is less than .8 seconds is insane. So to say that in the time it takes for Kuririn and Tenshinhan to split themselves (which is less than a second) Gill could freeze/burn them is also insane, because his reaction speed is also insane.

Roll · 02-08-2003, 01:15 PM

Nantuko. Get this through your head. Taiyoken is the brightening of the light from the sun, correct? Then any large mirror can reflect the light away. It does not matter how strong the light is, it can still be reflected off of a mirror, or even a watch. So, Rose CAN reflect it. Her clones come out instantly, not in .8 seconds. They just... appear, and then get to work immediately. They don't come out one after another, or anything like that.

Or, if you don't believe it takes that amount of time for Rose to split up and stuff, then believe this. Her Soul Illusion takes at least the same amount of time to start and finish as it does for Krillin and Tien to split themselves. Reading their mind does not take an immense amount of time. Rose can do that while fighting, or doing something. And who said that she would need to know about the attack beforehand? She could use Soul Illusion immediately, and then she would be ready to do whatever, and while using the Soul Illusion, she can read everyones minds. After finishing the Soul Illusion and reading a mind (which should be finished at the same time), and then she could seperate the "clones" to use the Aura Soul Spark as a protection. Or, Rose could read their mind, tell Gill, who could form the ice. It doesn't matter what you think, Joe. Rose can read a mind in mere milliseconds, and then tell Gill to do what he needs to do. Besides, at the start of everything, Gill could just burn them up, or freeze them, leaving a select few.

Nantuko Joe · 02-09-2003, 10:58 AM

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Nantuko. Get this through your head. Taiyoken is the brightening of the light from the sun, correct? Then any large mirror can reflect the light away. It does not matter how strong the light is, it can still be reflected off of a mirror, or even a watch. So, Rose CAN reflect it. Her clones come out instantly, not in .8 seconds. They just... appear, and then get to work immediately. They don't come out one after another, or anything like that.

She'd have to move FASTER THAN LIGHT to form a mirror of sorts. And in your above post, you said she can form clones in less than a second, and now you say she can do so instantly. So unless you can find me OFFICIAL CITATIONS that say she can do so instantly, she cannot. But either way, no character in street fighter, nor any character in DBz, can move faster than the speed of light, and cannot avoid a taiyoken

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Or, if you don't believe it takes that amount of time for Rose to split up and stuff, then believe this. Her Soul Illusion takes at least the same amount of time to start and finish as it does for Krillin and Tien to split themselves. Reading their mind does not take an immense amount of time. Rose can do that while fighting, or doing something. And who said that she would need to know about the attack beforehand? She could use Soul Illusion immediately, and then she would be ready to do whatever, and while using the Soul Illusion, she can read everyones minds. After finishing the Soul Illusion and reading a mind (which should be finished at the same time), and then she could seperate the "clones" to use the Aura Soul Spark as a protection. Or, Rose could read their mind, tell Gill, who could form the ice. It doesn't matter what you think, Joe. Rose can read a mind in mere milliseconds, and then tell Gill to do what he needs to do. Besides, at the start of everything, Gill could just burn them up, or freeze them, leaving a select few.

Once again, Rose cannot read a mind, relate that information to Gill, and have him form ice or fire or whatever in .8 seconds. Furthermore, where does it STATE by an OFFICIAL SOURCE that she can perform these abilities INSTANTLY, as in WITHOUT THE PASSAGE OF TIME? There are only two abilities that can be used INSTANTLY (without the passage of time), and they are Shunkan Idou and Kai Kai, and are possessed by members of the DBZ team. Unless you can find an OFFICIAL SOURCE that states that these abilities can be used IMMEDIATELY, or INSTANTLY, then they cannot be performed so. Shunkan Idou and Kai Kai are STATED to occur without the passage of time, so they cannot be disputed.

Roll · 02-10-2003, 06:40 PM

Ok then. I'll play it your way. Find me an official source that says that the Taiyoken cannot be blocked, and that it comes out in .8 seconds.

Edited By Roll on Feb. 09 2003 at 22:41

SBYRD5 · 02-10-2003, 08:07 PM

Sunglasses....

Nantuko Joe · 02-11-2003, 09:45 AM

[quote

ost_uid0="Roll"]Ok then. I'll play it your way. Find me an official source that says that the Taiyoken cannot be blocked, and that it comes out in .8 seconds.[/quote]
Let me see...Taiyoken is a brightening of sunlight (stated by Toriyama). If it is a brightening of sunlight, that means that the sun particles move at the speed of light (stated by the laws of physics). Therefore, in order to "block" the sunlight, one would have to move faster than the sunlight. in order to move faster than the sunlight, one would have to move faster than the speed of light.

And I may be wrong about .8 seconds. Just yell "Taiyoken" (pronounced Tay-oh-ken) as loud and fast as you can. That's how long the attack takes.

SBYRD5: Sunglasses cannot shield someone from light that is 10x or higher more intense than the sun.

SBYRD5 · 02-11-2003, 09:52 AM

When I said "Sunglasses" I ment perhaps not making that vunerable time of not seeing so long.

Also Joe you don't need to see to fight there is the other 4 senses....

Nantuko Joe · 02-11-2003, 11:40 AM

[quote

ost_uid0="SBYRD5"]When I said "Sunglasses" I ment perhaps not making that vunerable time of not seeing so long.

Also Joe you don't need to see to fight there is the other 4 senses....[/quote]
Sunglasses wouldn't make ANY difference. When the light is that bright, it wouldn't matter.

And puh-leez. you're saying that if I tied a scarf around your eyes, you could still fight me using the senses of touch, sound, smell, and taste? If you read the manga, once the enemies are blinded, they stand around blithering uselessly, clawing at their eyes. Even if they COULD fight further while blind, they would do so horribly. And none of the SF characters, to my knowledge, can sense ki, which gives the DBZ characters an advantage.

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02-07-2003, 09:21 PM	#942
Roll Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 2,647 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	[quoteost_uid0="Nantuko Joe"][quoteost_uid0="Roll"]Awww... too bad. It is just that fast, Nantuko. Rose could counter with an "Aura Soul Spark Illusion" (My name for it ^_^) and still have time to find out Goku's favorite food is.(This is if he were exactly like in the dub). And, actually, she could read their minds, tell Gill, and Gill could conjure (SP?) up some ice (which happens instantly. ) around them. And, in case you didn't know, Ice DOES reflect light, and very well too. It's a fact.[/quote] Well, I have never seen an aura spark before, so I'll have to take your word for it. And she can't read their minds and tell Gill what to do in less than one second, literally. And until Hibiki finishes his research, Gill can't do ANYTHING "instantly", unless you can find something written by the creator of Street Fighter and Gill that states otherwise. And how can she counter three attacks faster than the speed of light? If you're thinking of what you said before, about her cloning herself 3-5 times, well, think about this: She'd have to clone herself 3-5 times AND use the "Aura Spark Illusion" before all three of them can yell "Taiyoken" (which takes literally about one second to yell). I doubt that's possible. I SINCERELY doubt it. And you said she can only do 3-5 clones? How about if Kuririn uses his "tri-form" and Tien uses his "twelve eyes"? Then she'd have to counter the Taiyokens of four Tiens, three Kuririns, and a Goku. And please take note: Those two Taiyoken pictures occurred when Goku had a PL of about 16,000 and Kuririn had about 2,000. After the Buu Saga (or whenever this battle is taking place), their powerlevels are in the VERY high millions/low billions (except for Kuririn and Tien, they're about 100,000 each). They can pull it off even quicker then. Cell used a Taiyoken in the Cell Saga, and he pulled it off in mere nanoseconds slower than instantly.[/quote] ok... about Gill: Go here, and read up on Gill. This is also from the handbook of "All about capcom", and some things from the guy who wrote this. It shows that he can create and uncreate Fire and Ice out of no where. In other words, no need for water! It just happens! ^-^; http://www.orochi.com/sffaq/characters.html ...Ok, so it may not be instantly. But Rose, Dhalsim, and a few others can read their minds, and tell Gill to place ice all around them before everyone can do the Taiyoken, which will take less than enough time to do so. The reading of minds is fast with Dhalsim, along with Rose. Oh, and keep in mind that the site is not the entire handbook thing. The official "All about Capcom" thing has way more info in it. The site just has major details. About the Rose theory: It takes her less than a second to do get the clones. In the game, after you execute the Soul Illusion, she automatically get's the "other" Rose's to help her fight, which enables her 3-6 hits per attack, depending on the strength of the attack and the strength of the Soul Illusion. When combined with Aura Soul Spark (Version 2, where she does a weak punch>Roundhouse>Fierce Punch> Soul Spark in which the Soul Spark does three hits) she does up to 17 hits on one character with the attack. When combined with the Aura Soul Spark (Version 3, the one with the reflection) It can reflect more than one Projectile, whether it is Strong (fire Hadouken, Gou Hadouken), a normal one (like a hadouken), or a "super Art" projectile (Messatsu Gou Hadou, Shinkuu Haduken, Kikoshou, Shinkuu Gaduken, Super Tiger Shot, etc.) right back at the opponent with the effect of a mirror (sort of) and she throws in a 3 hit Soul Spark, which, according to Tarkan's buddy in someplace earlier in this thread, numbs out the part of the body it hits. So 3 hits that make you numb, which in this case would spread through the body would make the person helpless, along with the reflection of the Taiyoken which is possible. In general, there are only 9 directions to attack from (above, north, west, south, east, northeast, northwest, southeast, southwest), and Rose and her other 5 clones could probably handle helping the streetfighters escape the Taiyoken by surrounding them, and using the Aura Soul Spark just before they use Taiyoken. And, by the time they could actually split themselves, Gill could freeze them or burn them up! ^-^; __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://www.boomspeed.com/roll/Hikaru-2.jpg[/img:sig_uid] Perhaps.. I've overstayed my welcome..

02-08-2003, 01:15 PM	#944
Roll Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 2,647 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	Nantuko. Get this through your head. Taiyoken is the brightening of the light from the sun, correct? Then any large mirror can reflect the light away. It does not matter how strong the light is, it can still be reflected off of a mirror, or even a watch. So, Rose CAN reflect it. Her clones come out instantly, not in .8 seconds. They just... appear, and then get to work immediately. They don't come out one after another, or anything like that. Or, if you don't believe it takes that amount of time for Rose to split up and stuff, then believe this. Her Soul Illusion takes at least the same amount of time to start and finish as it does for Krillin and Tien to split themselves. Reading their mind does not take an immense amount of time. Rose can do that while fighting, or doing something. And who said that she would need to know about the attack beforehand? She could use Soul Illusion immediately, and then she would be ready to do whatever, and while using the Soul Illusion, she can read everyones minds. After finishing the Soul Illusion and reading a mind (which should be finished at the same time), and then she could seperate the "clones" to use the Aura Soul Spark as a protection. Or, Rose could read their mind, tell Gill, who could form the ice. It doesn't matter what you think, Joe. Rose can read a mind in mere milliseconds, and then tell Gill to do what he needs to do. Besides, at the start of everything, Gill could just burn them up, or freeze them, leaving a select few. __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://www.boomspeed.com/roll/Hikaru-2.jpg[/img:sig_uid] Perhaps.. I've overstayed my welcome..

02-10-2003, 06:40 PM	#946
Roll Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 2,647 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	Ok then. I'll play it your way. Find me an official source that says that the Taiyoken cannot be blocked, and that it comes out in .8 seconds. Edited By Roll on Feb. 09 2003 at 22:41 __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://www.boomspeed.com/roll/Hikaru-2.jpg[/img:sig_uid] Perhaps.. I've overstayed my welcome..

02-06-2003, 06:34 PM	#941
SBYRD5 Banned Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 6,549 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	Joe you made the orignazation SFPOA.Perhaps it's time to start it back up again. That makes sense Joe about Goku,but I've always been a fan of Tien,Piccolo,Vegeta. I kinda like Krillen. I don't like Gohan(I did like him as Teen Gohan SSJ2) I don't like Goku(I did like him as SSJ3...his vioce deepens on both versions....and he looks awesome,and how he defeated Fruzia.) Oh this is my last post here because I'm not exactly debating with you I'm spamming.

02-08-2003, 09:22 AM	#943
Nantuko Joe Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Right behind you... Posts: 1,479 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	Even though that was not official bio on Gill, I figured out this much: -Gill is not a god. Rather, he is "like a god." (you guys kept saying that he WAS a god, and cannot go to hell.) -Gill can summon and unsummon fire and ice -Gill's organization does not build him bodies. Rather, they build about 1,000 bodies to fight each other, and the strongest becomes the new "Emperor." Gill's body was the one who won the fight, and so he became the new "Emperor." (therefore, if Gill dies, he does not get a new body, but rather, a new non-Gill "Emperor" takes his place.) -Gill's ability to survive a Shun Goku Satsu is not in the official Cannon storyline (so in this debate he can indeed go to hell) -*Even if it did happen in the official storyline, surviving does not mean that he can "survive in hell," as Hibiki said. It said "he simply resurrected himself." That information changes this entire debate that Gill is included in. Now for Rose... A Taiyoken cannot be reflected in any way, because it is not a beam, projectile, or anything. It's a brightening of the sunlight. So even if it could be reflected, she'd have to move faster than the speed of light (impossible) Also, I timed myself, and it takes about .8 seconds to yell "Taiyoken." It is not possible for Rose to create 5 clones, have them each face a different direction to try and counter an attack, and launch their counters in .8 seconds. Even though she can launch the clones in .8 seconds, it does not mean that her reaction speed is .8 seconds. So in .8 seconds, Rose would have to realize that an attack is coming, then launch the clones, then have them use the Aura Spark. And I don't see that happening in .8 seconds.Nor can anyone read the minds of Goku, Tien and Kuririn, sense the attack coming, tell everyone else, and have them do what they need to do, in .8 seconds. And as far as Gill goes, he would also need to know what is happening in order to form the ice/fire. To say his combined reaction speed and the time it takes to form the ice is less than .8 seconds is insane. So to say that in the time it takes for Kuririn and Tenshinhan to split themselves (which is less than a second) Gill could freeze/burn them is also insane, because his reaction speed is also insane.

02-10-2003, 08:07 PM	#947
SBYRD5 Banned Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 6,549 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	Sunglasses....

02-11-2003, 09:45 AM	#948
Nantuko Joe Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Right behind you... Posts: 1,479 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	[quoteost_uid0="Roll"]Ok then. I'll play it your way. Find me an official source that says that the Taiyoken cannot be blocked, and that it comes out in .8 seconds.[/quote] Let me see...Taiyoken is a brightening of sunlight (stated by Toriyama). If it is a brightening of sunlight, that means that the sun particles move at the speed of light (stated by the laws of physics). Therefore, in order to "block" the sunlight, one would have to move faster than the sunlight. in order to move faster than the sunlight, one would have to move faster than the speed of light. And I may be wrong about .8 seconds. Just yell "Taiyoken" (pronounced Tay-oh-ken) as loud and fast as you can. That's how long the attack takes. SBYRD5: Sunglasses cannot shield someone from light that is 10x or higher more intense than the sun.

02-11-2003, 09:52 AM	#949
SBYRD5 Banned Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 6,549 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	When I said "Sunglasses" I ment perhaps not making that vunerable time of not seeing so long. Also Joe you don't need to see to fight there is the other 4 senses....

02-11-2003, 11:40 AM	#950
Nantuko Joe Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Right behind you... Posts: 1,479 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	[quoteost_uid0="SBYRD5"]When I said "Sunglasses" I ment perhaps not making that vunerable time of not seeing so long. Also Joe you don't need to see to fight there is the other 4 senses....[/quote] Sunglasses wouldn't make ANY difference. When the light is that bright, it wouldn't matter. And puh-leez. you're saying that if I tied a scarf around your eyes, you could still fight me using the senses of touch, sound, smell, and taste? If you read the manga, once the enemies are blinded, they stand around blithering uselessly, clawing at their eyes. Even if they COULD fight further while blind, they would do so horribly. And none of the SF characters, to my knowledge, can sense ki, which gives the DBZ characters an advantage.