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Old 06-16-2003, 01:41 PM   #71
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SBYRD: your sayings are as wrong as our !

i mean this...
you say that the big bang isn't a possible explanation of our existence, but know that your explanation is also an impossibility !

why ?
simple...
because both requires that there is a creator. ours is based on self evolution while yours talks about a CREATURE who created us !

if you ask:"what made the big bang ?" i will answer you by...
what is the sound of the falling three if no one is there to listen to it ?

its like many questions that we'll probably never have any answers.
just like your belief which is not based on any facts !

example:
you say god created us... so i ask you, who created GOD ?
see, same question as you asked asshoie about the big bang !

you say you base yourself on facts...
what as god ever did for you in 2000 years ?
nothing !
at least I never hapenned to receive any words from him !
no miracle, no proof of his existence at all !
you say the bible should be read in order to understand !
i say how can you believe a book that is OVER 2000 years old ? (yeah i do have included the OLD TESTAMENTS)

ever played the game called THE PHONE ?
same thing happens here !
one write something, the other add a comment to it, the third thinks the comments is part of the sentence and write it back all in one. the fourth add another comment, the fifth looks at the sentence and comment and decide that the first part doesn't go well with the rest, so he deletes it and write the newly obtained sentence.

see, it goes on like this for more then 2000 years !
now knowing that it had been translated over 300 times in that time, you already see it being changed like 300 times in a row !

now i ask you, what can you blieve in this if you can't know what is good and what is wrong in there ?
unlike the game, there is no one who can bring back the original paragraphs !

so how can you be sure that what you believe in, is real ?
see where we go ?
that's what we've been talking about sbyrd !

like assoie said, air is not visible, but it is there cause i need it to live. i feel it, i sens it, i can produce it !
GOD have nothing of those, so why would i believe in it ?

as far as i know, there is none who could proove me that god ever existed and that's mainly why i loved my secondary 5 religion teacher. he never tryed to convince us of believing in something that he can't even prooves that exists, he just showed us all religions and showed us the difference between them all !

anyway...
like i said, people need to believe in something...
may it be god or soemthing else... but we need that belief in orsder to evolve. i can only guess that next sentence, but i guess people just needed to believe in something greater then them as a way to understand the universe as it is !

people wants to know evrything, but the UNKNOWN is what makes us alive !
at least that's what i think !
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[quoteost_uid0="asshole"]just like how OUR World right now is gonna sink in Water, becasue there's too much water[/quote]
Lol...

And Karma, you say the Bible of today is extremely different? If you're so worried why not go and read the ancient scripts?

I've SEEN scrolls of it, they still exist..
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you guys should get into agnosticism. not sure if i spelled it right though
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Old 06-16-2003, 04:27 PM   #74
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[quoteost_uid0="Scorponok"][quoteost_uid0="asshole"]just like how OUR World right now is gonna sink in Water, becasue there's too much water[/quote]
Lol...

And Karma, you say the Bible of today is extremely different? If you're so worried why not go and read the ancient scripts?

I've SEEN scrolls of it, they still exist..
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and ?
it still don't prooves that what is writen on those scrolls is true or false ?
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Seriously...
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Ok then, forget the scrolls...

Read the Bible, compare it to older stuff, then with all other related material you can find, think for yourself, then decide if it's true. I can't make you believe anything.. (I'm reffering to the Bible being true)

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[quoteost_uid0="asshole"]No, I agree with Saijin-Ryu, I lead my own life too!


But yo SBYRD, you say you believe what you read in the Bible, right? Well don't you realize that the Bible was written AFTER the World started?? Billions of years after!

And how we have feelings?
YES, Science can answer that!


But how The Big Bang Theory haPPened?
Of course it was just an exPlosion, just like how OUR World right now is gonna sink in Water, becasue there's too much water... just like that, the Sun blew uP from being Hot.[/quote]
Yes of course you lead ur own life God gave us free will...God just helps us a little once in while

Ever hear of oral tradition.

We have feelings because...we need it in both scientific and bible version we have feelings...In the bible we know we have feelings because God said he was tired of boring birds and stuff he decided he would make Adam...He got lonely and God made him Eve. Scientific reason is because it shows we are unique. And we are animals you know we are just more complexed and we evolvled.

The sun never blew up it is going to blow up and a few billion years or so according to science. And our world is not going to sink in water it will wear away. Then earthquakes will happen open cracks and blah blah blah. Ozone layer wears away...gravitational pull...all that other stuff which i dont feel like explaning.

And for whoever asked the question y is the bible different because before there was paper and ink ppl had to tell the story by mouth and usally the person was really old and usally left out something or added something. And to add to it some king didn't like what the original bible said so he changed it and left out some stuff and kept the stuff that he thought would be good.

Hey,it helps having a religous mother and a scientific father who is like asshole and doesn't believe in God.
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[quoteost_uid0="Elena"]We have feelings because...we need it in both scientific and bible version we have feelings...In the bible we know we have feelings because God said he was tired of boring birds and stuff he decided he would make Adam...He got lonely and God made him Eve. Scientific reason is because it shows we are unique. And we are animals you know we are just more complexed and we evolvled.[/quote]
How can you say that!?
There were HUMANS Before the Bible!!

And if you believe all that, then tell me PLEASE, why there are more than One kind of God? I mean EVERY Religion has its' god, right?
Well if what YOU said is true, shouldn't that matter to all?

NO!!
Because no one's ever seen "GOD"...
PeoPle make uP stories, and aftera VERY LONG TIME, PeoPle start to Believe them!
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How can you say that!?
There were HUMANS Before the Bible!! [/quote]

Very true, but the Bible contained within it the stories of the first humans..

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And if you believe all that, then tell me PLEASE, why there are more than One kind of God? I mean EVERY Religion has its' god, right?
Ok, in the Bible, it tells about how everybody built this structure in defiance of God, and were forced to scatter throughout the earth by Him, turning into different cultures.. they went astray, and turned into people like you asshole, believin' in whatever they feel like doin' at the time... do some research on that time period, and Babylon, Babel, Mesopotamia, crap like that, and you'll see... (Notice how I didn't say look in the Bible, since you wouldn't believe it)
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Because no one's ever seen "GOD"...
PeoPle make uP stories, and aftera VERY LONG TIME, PeoPle start to Believe them!
People make up stories, eh? Must be some sick, deluded people that waste their time writing THOUSANDS of pages for the Bible, then.. just for the MERE FUN of seeing people believe in it..

NOTICE how the USA is better off than most other countries, it's because it WAS FOUNDED ON THE BASIS OF RELIGION, the founding fathers were Christian..

But people are straying away from the TRUTH, so the country's going into RUIN




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How can you say that!?
There were HUMANS Before the Bible!! [/quote]

Very true, but the Bible contained within it the stories of the first humans..

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And if you believe all that, then tell me PLEASE, why there are more than One kind of God? I mean EVERY Religion has its' god, right?
Ok, in the Bible, it tells about how everybody built this structure in defiance of God, and were forced to scatter throughout the earth by Him, turning into different cultures.. they went astray, and turned into people like you asshole, believin' in whatever they feel like doin' at the time... do some research on that time period, and Babylon, Babel, Mesopotamia, crap like that, and you'll see... (Notice how I didn't say look in the Bible, since you wouldn't believe it)
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Because no one's ever seen "GOD"...
PeoPle make uP stories, and aftera VERY LONG TIME, PeoPle start to Believe them!
People make up stories, eh? Must be some sick, deluded people that waste their time writing THOUSANDS of pages for the Bible, then.. just for the MERE FUN of seeing people believe in it..

NOTICE how the USA is better off than most other countries, it's because it WAS FOUNDED ON THE BASIS OF RELIGION, the founding fathers were Christian..

But people are straying away from the TRUTH, so the country's going into RUIN
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Very well said.
And about the ppl before the bible...duh...I said oral tradition which meant that ppl keep passing down stories of adam and eve and so on till someone could write it down
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