Human evolution from a scientific stantpoint - Scientific debate, not a religious one

it's a myth

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That.... doesn't truly answer the question. However, I suppose that's the only answer I can get at this time, isn't it? And, at the very least, it was simply put. Habakarisama, gurachemasu.

How is that "physical evidence without flaw?" It's simply a passage from the bible. That's NOT "physical evidence without flaw."

You ARE turning this back into a religious debate....I'm going to get a mod to delete that post, considering it had NOTHING to do with the scientific theory of human evolution.

[blanka09]

Um.. Kester, I have to agree with Nantuko on this one.. even though I believe as much as you do, we've been told to keep this topic totally unreligious ..

Now.. where do I start.. :biggrin:

Good point....I've gotta stop making these debate posts at 3 in the morning......

I'll have to think up of some new way to argue my point now.....damn you *shakes fist*

OH yeah.. me too, me too... Mine's usually at 2.30 am :biggrin:

....not to the point of being completely psycho, but a simple instability in the brain....and were claiming that they were being attacked by invisible forces. After doing a psychoanalysis, EEG (or whatever brainscans they did), they determined that there was no "invisible forces." What had happened was that the "victim" believed that he was being attacked to such a degree that the brain actually believed it too, and therefore CAUSED the slash wounds to open on their own, with no outside interference. The brain was tricked into thinking that some invisible force with a knife was attacking, and therefore the body responded as though it was actually happening....the brain caused the body to think that a knife was sliding across the skin, and in turn, the skin sliced open and bled

However true that is, I haven't really studied on the topic of
psychoanalysis and although I haven't heard of those special brain cases, so I don't have anything against them.. But you said that the the brain tricked the body into thinking a knife was attacking and caused the skin to slice open and bleed. Now take a look at that statement and the concept of being psychic.
The brain can "trick" the body into thinking something simply because it is in control of basically all the cells, organs and systems in the body. Thus it can trick so to say.. the body into doing something. There are various neurones that connect the brain to those systems.. to those organs and to those cells that inturn cause the reaction the skin faces. But for that object outside the body, the brain has no control over them. No matter how it tricked the body into doing something.. There had to be some sorta connection.. Some sorta message from the brain to that body part that would have reacted in that way.
But in the case of the stone or the other object, the brain has no connection with that object .. so it cannot move the object.

Take for instance I want to move a stone with my brain and Joe wants to move that same stone with his brain.. Which would move.. what would happen?? What would the poor stone do? :biggrin:

Now if you notice... I didn't take any of the quotes from the movies because they're not real.. but movies. Anyway, I like that Matrix quote. :biggrin:

[Angel-Eyes]

[quoteost_uid0="blanka09"]Um.. Kester, I have to agree with Nantuko on this one.. even though I believe as much as you do, we've been told to keep this topic totally unreligious ..[/quote]
as long as i can get my point across to sombody.......

i dont see how shauku doesnt understand that what i presented was physical records from when the earth was created. its so simple



Edited By kester- on Mar. 30 2004 at 08:11

[blanka09]

Kester.. those aren't physical evidences but records from the Bible. There aren't any physical evidence that show that God walked upon the earth... for He is spirit.

And it would be very wise if we stop going through the religious route or this topic would be closed.. :biggrin:



Edited By blanka09 on Mar. 30 2004 at 12:34

[Angel-Eyes]

[quoteost_uid0="blanka09"]Kester.. those aren't physical evidences but records from the Bible. There aren't any physical evidence that show that God walked upon the earth... for He is spirit.

And it would be very wise if we stop going through the religious route or this topic would be closed.. :biggrin:[/quote]
i disagree, but i get your drift, ill stop

[(ShinKu_Ryu)]

religion....science. ??? if youask me religion makes more sense.and natuku joe wants scientific proof and scientific evidence both at the same time..?!? :angryfire:

if youask me, this topic is usseless :buttrock:

kester_
as long as i can get my point across to sombody.......
i dont see how shauku doesnt understand that what i presented was physical records from when the earth was created. its so simple

What you presented was a passage from a book written by a man. That is not a "physical record[s] from when the earth was created." It's a book written by a man that christians/catholics/protestants/roman catholics/byzantine catholics/methodists/protestants/lutherans BELIEVE is the word of god, but when it comes down to it, it's a book written by a man.

I could go take J.R.R. Tolkien's The Silmarillion and say THAT is "physical records from when the earth was created." And going by your logic, you can't say jack. So enough with this religion stuff.

Like I said, you want to talk about religion, then you can create your own topic.

Shinku Ryu
religion....science. if youask me religion makes more sense.and natuku joe wants scientific proof and scientific evidence both at the same time..?!?
if youask me, this topic is usseless

If you ask me, YOU are useless.

Scientific proof IS scientific evidence, so yes, it makes perfect sense that I want both at the same time. If you provide enough evidence about something, it may eventually be proven true.

And you say that religion makes more sense than science. What religion? Catholic? Christian? Greek? Greek Orthodox? Greek mythology? Shinto? Conflipianism? Aztec? Santarian? Mesopotamian? Roman mythology? One of a thousand other religions?

Don't bother answering that, I was just pointing out that you didn't specify at all about "religion," and giving you an example that there are many out there.

But as blanka said, no more religious stuff, or the topic will be closed.



Now, as far as the topic itself goes....I'm still trying to figure out a way to argue for telepathic/telekinetic abilities. I remember that a scientific explanation was given at the end of Phenomenon. Though I know that it is indeed a movie and not real, the explanation sounded scientific enough....I'll have to go re-watch the explanations for telepathic/telekinetic abilities in both Phenomenon and Powder, they both made perfect sense, and although the content of the rest of the movie was fiction, the scientific theory was in fact solid.

[blanka09]

Well.. if the theory was in fact scientific.. go ahead and get re enforce.. I'm still going to be skeptic about the opinion that the brain might in fact get telekinetic or telepathic abilities.. without involving the mind. :biggrin: