Hadoken limitations - ..learn some skill.

[nosoul4evr]

Fear tetsu. If you actualy read this topic..it has NOTHING to do with winning or losing..learn to read.

As for the Jump Lock..Zing was totaly correct in his observation about the super jump and how it was abused...now you can no longer abuse the super jump to rely on left to right lag for a win and this game.

Those that scream loudest against this topic..are probably those that stand a good chance of losing thier "lil edge" IF there was a change to the hadoken.

There is no need to start flaming and crying like a nooby.
If you read this whole topic..and you feel you have skill..then you wouldnt be sniveling, but making a mature and sensible reply with your opinion about "how the hadoken operates".

You say Cyclops blast is different than the orginial...ever wonder why?..It is because it had to be adapted to this version of the game inorder to make the move "less cheap".

You say Ryu's Hadoken is just like the original.
with that being said..and with lag like you mentioned.

Dont you think that Ryu's hadoken would also need to be adapted to operate differently in this version of the game to make it less cheap as well?

Im not saying the changes mentioned are the "hard line" way to limit hadokens. There are many variables in the way hadokens operate that can alter the way they work without skilled players even noticing the difference.

As a side note... Spiderman webballs also fall under this topic of limitations too...I believe Spidermans projectiles need to be toned down as well...a topic damn near worthy of another poll.

So once again..it appears as though...
It's not all right for some characters to be cheap (so strict limits where put on them)...But it's ok for others to be cheap.

To the people:
Ryu is your King, his Hadoken is your Queen.
All hail Ryu!



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 04 2003 at 17:48

[UrbanNinja]

[quoteost_uid0="nosoul4evr"][quoteost_uid0="UrbanNinja"]I personally use spider-man, but ppl really need to stop b**chin' about Ryu, because if YOU really had skill you would be able to get passed the hadukens.[/quote]
UrbanNinja: (and others) If you read this entire topic. You'd see that it has nothing to do with being able to stop the tactic.

Take some time to read please.

Krama: Wow..the first to agree with me, theres hope for this topic yet. [/quote]
This poll is about haduken limitations, but if you were able to read english you would understand what I was stating about (you guessed it) HADUKEN LIMITATIONS.

[SSJKarma]

listen guys, i do agree on nsoul for what he said about RYU'S hadokens, but guys you must understands the facts.

i know you guys will be against this if you are the klind of guy that plays only with that char, its jsut normal, but what i don't understand are those that only does this tactic...

- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS

just answer this simple question...
what kind of idiotic tactic is that ?
i agree with nosoul, changes are to be made...
why can't the players PRE-DO a super, but can pre-do hadokens, optic blasts and the likes ?
PRE-DO means that you do the motion before the first ended.
example:
i do an hadoken, ryu starts doing it, the hadoken isn't even started out that i finished doing a second one. then i wait, never touching my keyboard again. know what will happen ? ryu will thro another one right when the first one will end, but the keys have been entered about 2 seconds before that time !

this is no lag guys !
it happens in PRACTICE also !
this is called buffering, why can we buffer a move like the hadokens and not all the other moves, including the supers ?

really, i do agree on what some people said, its true that some supers can be hard to stop without throwing hadokens all over the place, but i ask to those, do you think hadokens is the only way ?

the answer is no !
i agree with nosoul, ryu is far too strong in this game and really needs to be toned down !

FEAR_TETSUO: you keep saying OLD TIMES were better when it was ryu against ryu...
i ask you, what was better in having ryu appear and disappear at an interval of about 1/2 seconds ?

for all i know, ryu was appeareing side to side always doing ####### hadokens. lag was the killer and game skill was totally inexistent ! so i ask you again, what was good at that time ? the fact we were about 50 to play and that those 50 happenned to never flame anything because tmyapp already knew that the game was almost unplayable !

think before saying stupidities FEAR...
this is a fighting game, by definition is means that hadokens are one special on many others that can make you win, it also means that there are lots of other moves that you can perform and use. so why would someone only do hadokens all the fights till it ends ? that's just ####### stupid !

PIP: super jumps aren't the solution either !
while you super jump you're more vulnerable then you think !
why do you ask, because the guy has time to wait for you to come down when he sees you super jump and he has time to get you on arrival even before you had time to do anything !
super jumps are just a way to make you an easy target !

anyway...
i also agree with SHINJUKO... putting a lock on the numbers of hadokens is just too damn stupid, but reducing the energy it gives is a very effective against all those that do them just to build their meter !

good fights, aren't those who are finished the faster, but those that are longer !

[fear_tetsuo]

[quoteost_uid0="SSJKarma"]listen guys, i do agree on nsoul for what he said about RYU'S hadokens, but guys you must understands the facts.

i know you guys will be against this if you are the klind of guy that plays only with that char, its jsut normal, but what i don't understand are those that only does this tactic...

- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS

just answer this simple question...
what kind of idiotic tactic is that ?
i agree with nosoul, changes are to be made...
why can't the players PRE-DO a super, but can pre-do hadokens, optic blasts and the likes ?
PRE-DO means that you do the motion before the first ended.
example:
i do an hadoken, ryu starts doing it, the hadoken isn't even started out that i finished doing a second one. then i wait, never touching my keyboard again. know what will happen ? ryu will thro another one right when the first one will end, but the keys have been entered about 2 seconds before that time !

this is no lag guys !
it happens in PRACTICE also !
this is called buffering, why can we buffer a move like the hadokens and not all the other moves, including the supers ?

really, i do agree on what some people said, its true that some supers can be hard to stop without throwing hadokens all over the place, but i ask to those, do you think hadokens is the only way ?

the answer is no !
i agree with nosoul, ryu is far too strong in this game and really needs to be toned down !

FEAR_TETSUO: you keep saying OLD TIMES were better when it was ryu against ryu...
i ask you, what was better in having ryu appear and disappear at an interval of about 1/2 seconds ?

for all i know, ryu was appeareing side to side always doing ####### hadokens. lag was the killer and game skill was totally inexistent ! so i ask you again, what was good at that time ? the fact we were about 50 to play and that those 50 happenned to never flame anything because tmyapp already knew that the game was almost unplayable !

think before saying stupidities FEAR...
this is a fighting game, by definition is means that hadokens are one special on many others that can make you win, it also means that there are lots of other moves that you can perform and use. so why would someone only do hadokens all the fights till it ends ? that's just ####### stupid !

PIP: super jumps aren't the solution either !
while you super jump you're more vulnerable then you think !
why do you ask, because the guy has time to wait for you to come down when he sees you super jump and he has time to get you on arrival even before you had time to do anything !
super jumps are just a way to make you an easy target !

anyway...
i also agree with SHINJUKO... putting a lock on the numbers of hadokens is just too damn stupid, but reducing the energy it gives is a very effective against all those that do them just to build their meter !

good fights, aren't those who are finished the faster, but those that are longer ![/quote]
Grrrr..... I hate stupid people. One,I did not mention the "old times" in this post at all. Two, dubya tee eff are u talking about? Lag was the killer then but not now? LAg is just as bad as it was back then u moron. "think before saying stupidities FEAR...
this is a fighting game, by definition is means that hadokens are one special on many others that can make you win, it also means that there are lots of other moves that you can perform and use. so why would someone only do hadokens all the fights till it ends ? that's just ####### stupid !" I honestly cant believe u cant answer your own question. Why would someone do hadukens the whole game till it ends? If u cant answer it then u r ####### retarded. BECAUSE WHAT ELSE CAN RYU DO IN THIS ONLINE GAME? If you have ever seen anyone play the original game, ryu has AIR COMBOS, SEMI INFINITES, devestating combos that u cannot do in this game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! You really are stupid. Yes u can dash in with a kick or something, but with all the lag that this game has, the easiest way to do damage is to do hadukens. And since u cant rely on blocking to work 100% of the time, playing keep away with ryu is the only way to win. So once again, YOU CANT DO #### IN THIS GAME!!!! U CANT DO AIR COMBOS, INFINITES,COUNTERS, ADVANCED COMBOS(EX: combos that involve resets, grabs etc...) OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD BE DONE IN THE ORIGINAL GAME. SO THE ONLY THING FOR RYU USERS TO DO IS HADUKENS.!!!!!!
And nosoul-dubya tee eff r u talking about?? I was talking about people adapting and overcoming certian things in the original game. U r going and talking about tmyapp adapting ryu into this game......ok???? What i am trying to say is that there r things in every game that ppl dont like. But u dont see pppl writing letters and posting #### about how u cant win because blah blah blah and u think it should be changed. Suck it up and deal with it, dont be such a god damn #####. And i dont play this game anymore!! So i really dont care if hadukens r limited. It just pisses me off that once again someone is crying that they cant beat ppl cause of something and they want to limit it so they can win. It's ####### pathetic. I play Marvel vs Capcom 2, and I think that cable is very cheap in that game becdause of his viper beams. But do u see me posting about how i think Capcom should remake the game so cable cant do that move anymore? No, I sucked it up and over came it. I got around it and rushed that #### down!!!!!!!!!! Now ####### bend over and take it, stop complaining!!!!

[SSJKarma]

that's a shame of you FEAR, after all the work that tmyapp did to have a lot less lag and a lot more speed in this game, you still says you don't see a change !

go buy yourself some glasses will ya !
oh that's right, i forgot, you didn't played the game since a year or so cause it sucks bad ! come on fear... i have one of the worst modem ever and i still have lag yes, but lag is like 10 times less powerfull then it was a year and a half ago !

as for the combos and all, yeah we don't have REAL COMBOS but thinking how a single punch is coming out way faster then in the real game, i can easily say that combos are better in this game then it is in the real game !

really, you didn't see a single difference between this version and the old ones, fine, but by saying that you just mock tmyapp around and crudely telling him that he was holding his ass off !

you think it is a big rip off, have you ever played the emulators and see how it is the complete same !
do you throw hadokens all the way till the fight end in the real deal over the internet ? i think not, then why would you do it here ? oh, i forgot, you think the game sucks !

guess what ! go kill yourself, cause right now, all you accomplished is a big nothing ! sorry to disappoint you, but i do succeed in "comboing" people in this game, you know why, because lag is a lot less powerfull, then it was before !

and you call me stupid, at least i don't talk like tmyapp never did anything and i do have seen a big big big big big improvement since 0.2a

now buzz off !

[bloodpack]

[quoteost_uid0="G_GUNDAM"]i got one thing to say. if u wanna limit the hadoken then u might as limit all the other moves from every character. the fact is that so many people abuse the specials of all character. look at wolvie users. **drill claw drill claw, beserker barrage beserker barrage** and i dont even wanna talk about cyc. so just keep the game as is cause there are some people that dont abuse these moves. so why limit moves just cause of a few ##### who abuse them. thats not right for the others[/quote]
i thought its ONE THING TO SAY?
you used more words there... ???

[pip99]

[quoteost_uid0="bloodpack"]ok, let me end this argument
ppl wanna know their true fighting skills?
then someone fight me...

ryu vs ryu
no specials or supers
only fists and kicks
lets see whos really good in online hand-to-hand combat [/quote]
meh we did that match.



people are skill arguing....man just high jump and corner rape.etc etc...man scrop killed this topic ages ago..then i did...but yall still carrying on,

[fear_tetsuo]

karma u have accomplished nothing because u still havent proven your point. How are the combos in this game better then in the original game? Seriously, how are they better. You cant even do a regular combo past 3 or 4,Ex: punch,punch,kick. I mean that is probably a combo by accident in this game. Have i ever played the emulators? Isnt that what i just got done posting about??? Learn to read !! "do you throw hadokens all the way till the fight end in the real deal over the internet ? i think not, then why would you do it here ? oh, i forgot, you think the game sucks !
" Nobody in the emulated version of the game throws hadukens the whole game because we can do air combos!!!!!! We can do what the game was ment for u dumb ass, we r not limited by only throwing hadukens. Once again, in this game ryu users can only throw hadukens becuase its the safest way to cause damage without the risk of rushing in and not worrying about blocking giving out when u need it. "i know you guys will be against this if you are the klind of guy that plays only with that char, its jsut normal, but what i don't understand are those that only does this tactic...

- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
"


yes thats what ryu users in this game have to do. Here is an example of what ppl who play the real emulated version do with ryu:
dash in-clk,chp(launch), sjlp,sjlk,sjmp,sjmk, shinku haduken
that is a basic COMBO that can be done since it is implemented in the game unlike this game. Here is an example of what a person does with cyclops using the emulated version of this game:
*in corner
dash in-clk,cmp(launch), sjlp,sjlk,sjmp,sjmk,sjhp,(rejump), lp,lk,mp,mk,hp,land,lp,mp,hp
that once again is a COMBO that can be done. People use combos,not hadukens the whole time, because we have them in the real game. Now go kill yourself because u r trying to stick up for a game that sucks ass and because u have not accomplished anything. And u say u have combo'd ppl in this game. It was most likely a 3 or 4 hit combo at most because thats all that can be done. Try a 13-20 hit combo without doing supers. Oh yeah thats right u cant, since u cant do real combos in this game!!! Now buzz off.

[nosoul4evr]

[quoteost_uid0="fear_tetsuo"]And nosoul-dubya tee eff r u talking about?? I was talking about people adapting and overcoming certian things in the original game. U r going and talking about tmyapp adapting ryu into this game......ok?<!--emo&??? What i am trying to say is that there r things in every game that ppl dont like. But u dont see pppl writing letters and posting #### about how u cant win because blah blah blah and u think it should be changed. Suck it up and deal with it, dont be such a god damn #####. And i dont play this game anymore!! So i really dont care if hadukens r limited. It just pisses me off that once again someone is crying that they cant beat ppl cause of something and they want to limit it so they can win. It's ####### pathetic. I play Marvel vs Capcom 2, and I think that cable is very cheap in that game becdause of his viper beams. But do u see me posting about how i think Capcom should remake the game so cable cant do that move anymore? No, I sucked it up and over came it. I got around it and rushed that #### down!!!!!!!!!! Now ####### bend over and take it, stop complaining!!!![/quote]
Fear:Again your inability to read has caused your demise in this topic...yet again.

How many times must it be repeated...This topic has NOTHING to do with winning or losing, or how to over come hadoken abuse.
It has to do with the repetitive nature of how Ryu is played, as well as ways to prevent people from consistantly relying on the same tacic over and over again because it gives them that lil' edge they need when combined with lag.

You own words will now crush you.

BECAUSE WHAT ELSE CAN RYU DO IN THIS ONLINE GAME?

You are obviously a Hadoken abuser...you make that very clear with that statement...or else you would know what other moves, skills and tactics there are to using Ryu as a "non projectile" fighter, and no you dont need aerial combo's and infinite supers in order to play Ryu legitimitly in this game.

2000warriors list of ten could clearly prove that to you im sure.

Pip: You and Scorp have far from killed this topic...Ya aint even scratched the surface of it.
As in...both of ya have stated that.."yes players do get lame and abuse the hadoken..." wich more than justifies my case.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 05 2003 at 13:19

SSJKarma & fear_tetsuo: You will BOTH stop this flaming.