Street fighter vs. dragon ball(not counting gt.... - Or anything contradtcing the manga) - Page 61

Roll · 11-11-2002, 01:02 PM

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ost_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]Not technically. Technically, everyone is supposed to stay DEAD, but if Enma wants to, he can revive ppl as he sees fit (he has the power to). Now, this isn't just a "strongest fighter" battle, but also more brains. Let's just say taht for the sake of argument, Akuma was really, really weak (like, Videl-strength weak), but still possessed the Shun Goku Satsu. Because he would be weak physically, but have a good ability, does that mean that he can't use it (since this is, as you said, a "Strongest fighter" battle)? No, it wouldn't be fair for a DBZ character to be excluded because of his abilities. Therefore, we can still use the Lord Enma thing.[/quote]
That is true... but then again, Akuma isn't weak, and assuming that he is isn't going to make him that way. And I wasn't excluding Lord Enma. This IS a DB vs SF battle. It's a fight to see which is better at fighting. Reviving yourselves from the dead wouldn't be a fight that shows who is stronger. And besides, if you continuously died, I think you'd get tired of getting killed eventually.

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And even if you wanted to be like taht, I still figured out a way to defeat GIll. Gill's spirit is immortal, but his body is not: a corporation makes him new bodies. However, since this is a "Strongest fighter" battle, we can't include the corp. that makes Gill's bodies (since they're only scientists, and not fighters, they'd be excluded). Therefore, that would leave Gill body-less, a wandering spirit. And I don't think Gill can fight using only his spirit, and for obvious reasons: if he COULD fight with his spirit, why would he keep needing bodies to reside in? Why couldnt' he just live as a spirit and be immortal? Because...he can't fight as a spirit.

Either way, DBZ still wins

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Actually, it is a strongest fighter battle, so yes you can exclude the scientists. But that does not leave him bodiless. At the beginning of the fight, he could just increase the temperature around the DB'Z' fighters and melt them all away. Simple, no? So either way, SF still wins.

princevegetam · 11-11-2002, 01:07 PM

wouldn't gill's own body be destroyed along with z fighters if he raised temperatures?

Roll · 11-11-2002, 01:10 PM

Not if he only increases it around the DB'Z' Fighters.[img

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Nantuko Joe · 11-11-2002, 01:28 PM

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That is true... but then again, Akuma isn't weak, and assuming that he is isn't going to make him that way. And I wasn't excluding Lord Enma. This IS a DB vs SF battle. It's a fight to see which is better at fighting. Reviving yourselves from the dead wouldn't be a fight that shows who is stronger. And besides, if you continuously died, I think you'd get tired of getting killed eventually.

So what if they would get tired of it? It still doesn't change the fact that they CAN be brought back from the dead. And if any of the Saiya-jins get killed and brought back, they would get a HUGE power up for each time they came back.

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Actually, it is a strongest fighter battle, so yes you can exclude the scientists. But that does not leave him bodiless. At the beginning of the fight, he could just increase the temperature around the DB'Z' fighters and melt them all away. Simple, no? So either way, SF still wins.

Roll, are you THAT simpleminded? First off, Gill can't just raise the temperatures in a small space around someone's body. He would have to raise the temperature to over 3 thousand degrees over a large area to affect the Z fighters. Also, the Z fighters would be able to form a shield against the heat until they could fly away from the heated area. And if the SF characters are grappling with the DBZ characters, and Gill raises the heat, the SF characters would also be melted if they're in close proximity with the DBZ characters.

And Buu cannot be defeated by the heat or great temperatures. As we all know, the Ki blasts in DBZ are energy, and energy is moving. The faster the atoms in energy move, the hotter it gets. That is why the blasts in DBZ are hot. Now, if Buu exploding, then being blasted by heat couldn't kill him, raising the heat won't kill him. The only reason Buu was killed was because Goku's Genki Dama had a greater amount of energy than Buu could fend off. The Genki Dama simply had more power than Buu, and thus he was destroyed. However, raising the temperature won't affect Buu.

And for Gill's temperature to break through a shield by the Z fighters, it would have to be raised to a lot above the heat of molten lava. If that were the case, the very oxygen and nitrogen and assorted chemical molecules in the air would ignite, and cause an explosion that would cover a HUGE area of the sky. (it's kind of like a bullet piercing a tank of compressed oxygen).

And finally, if even a weak fighter such as Yamucha kills the scientists and the bodies of Gill, Gill would be left bodiless in the event of his body's destruction.

Roll · 11-11-2002, 01:45 PM

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ost_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]So what if they would get tired of it? It still doesn't change the fact that they CAN be brought back from the dead. And if any of the Saiya-jins get killed and brought back, they would get a HUGE power up for each time they came back.

Roll, are you THAT simpleminded? First off, Gill can't just raise the temperatures in a small space around someone's body. He would have to raise the temperature to over 3 thousand degrees over a large area to affect the Z fighters. Also, the Z fighters would be able to form a shield against the heat until they could fly away from the heated area. And if the SF characters are grappling with the DBZ characters, and Gill raises the heat, the SF characters would also be melted if they're in close proximity with the DBZ characters.

And Buu cannot be defeated by the heat or great temperatures. As we all know, the Ki blasts in DBZ are energy, and energy is moving. The faster the atoms in energy move, the hotter it gets. That is why the blasts in DBZ are hot. Now, if Buu exploding, then being blasted by heat couldn't kill him, raising the heat won't kill him. The only reason Buu was killed was because Goku's Genki Dama had a greater amount of energy than Buu could fend off. The Genki Dama simply had more power than Buu, and thus he was destroyed. However, raising the temperature won't affect Buu.

And for Gill's temperature to break through a shield by the Z fighters, it would have to be raised to a lot above the heat of molten lava. If that were the case, the very oxygen and nitrogen and assorted chemical molecules in the air would ignite, and cause an explosion that would cover a HUGE area of the sky. (it's kind of like a bullet piercing a tank of compressed oxygen).

And finally, if even a weak fighter such as Yamucha kills the scientists and the bodies of Gill, Gill would be left bodiless in the event of his body's destruction.[/quote]
Geez, Nantuko, are you THAT ignorant? Now I see why Tarkan quit. Of course he could raise the temperature around him, and even if he does melt the SF Fighters away, he'd still melt the DB'Z' fighters as well, no matter how high the temperature has to be raised. And while they are grappling with the SF's, if they are able to form a shield around themselves from the heat while grappling, then I guess they're multi-talented, aren't they?

And as for that thing about igniting the very oxygen and nitrogen and "assorted chemical molecules" in the air, is there any proof that that can happen, or did you make that up yourself? Because I have never heard of such a thing being even tried/proven before in all my life, and I read a LOT of books. The only thing I know, is that the hottest magma (that I know of) found is the Basaltic magma which is ESTIMATED (since it cannot be measured) to be between 1000 C and 1200 C. So, if you could, please post where I can find more information on the effects of the increased temperature in the air.

Nantuko Joe · 11-11-2002, 02:10 PM

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Geez, Nantuko, are you THAT ignorant? Now I see why Tarkan quit. Of course he could raise the temperature around him, and even if he does melt the SF Fighters away, he'd still melt the DB'Z' fighters as well, no matter how high the temperature has to be raised. And while they are grappling with the SF's, if they are able to form a shield around themselves from the heat while grappling, then I guess they're multi-talented, aren't they?

And as for that thing about igniting the very oxygen and nitrogen and "assorted chemical molecules" in the air, is there any proof that that can happen, or did you make that up yourself? Because I have never heard of such a thing being even tried/proven before in all my life, and I read a LOT of books. The only thing I know, is that the hottest magma (that I know of) found is the Basaltic magma which is ESTIMATED (since it cannot be measured) to be between 1000 C and 1200 C. So, if you could, please post where I can find more information on the effects of the increased temperature in the air.

Geez...

FIrst off, they wouldn't be fighting with the shield. They'd grapple, kill off most of the SF characters. They wouldn't form a shield until they began to sense the temperature increase. And you can't tell me that Gill can raise the temperature from like 70 degrees F to over 3 thousand degrees in a split second, it's not physically possible (unless it was in the form of an explosion). They would sense the increasing temperature, then fly out of the temperature range.

And even if he DOES raise the temperature in the air high enough, he prolly can't keep it in a specific space. The way YOU make it seem, it sounds like he can create an imaginary wall around the person, adn then raise the temperature inside that area. It most likely doesn't work like that.

What he's doing is speeding up the air molecules so fast ,they heat up. This would remain in a smaller area for a little while, but after a while, and at higher temperatures, the temperature would not stay concentrated in a smaller area, but spread out evenly among a larger area of the sky, and thus not only lowering the heat that would afflict the Z fighters, but also putting GIll in the middle of some heat.

And I don't have any reference websites for that air explosion thing. Hell, I'm most likely wrong. But for the $hit that I just posted above this paragraph, I'm 100% correct. When I graduated, I also got a A+ in Physics Honors, and know enough about physics to know what I just said

Roll · 11-11-2002, 02:40 PM

I made it seem like he makes an imaginary wall...? Wow....

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I'll be editing my post later with another argument thingy. Right now, My aunt, uncle, and cousin are leaving for New York, and I'm going with them to say goodbye. brb.

Nantuko Joe · 11-13-2002, 05:10 AM

Actually, the Henka Beam theory (turn Gill into candy) WILL work. The part in DBZ where you see Chichi, Buruma, Videl, Kuririn, and Dabura in the afterlife was filler, I dont' think it happened in the manga (mostly in part because of Dabura's Roll-like niceness (j/k)). I think that in the manga, their bodies were absorbed, and not just their power

Gotenks13 · 11-13-2002, 08:24 PM

I think that the air explosion might be true. I'm pretty sure it happens near the sun. I think that the atoms would collide and split, which is how atomic bombs work(I think...). That split would release an enormous amount of energy, but it still might not work.

Also, Goku was surviving about 10 ft. from a star in the Namek saga, so...

Nantuko Joe · 11-14-2002, 06:57 AM

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ost_uid0="Gotenks13"]Also, Goku was surviving about 10 ft. from a star in the Namek saga, so...[/quote]
Umm...no?

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11-11-2002, 01:10 PM	#603
Roll Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 2,647 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	Not if he only increases it around the DB'Z' Fighters.[imgost_uid4]http://www.boomspeed.com/sakura/hehe.gif[/imgost_uid4] __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://www.boomspeed.com/roll/Hikaru-2.jpg[/img:sig_uid] Perhaps.. I've overstayed my welcome..

11-11-2002, 01:45 PM	#605
Roll Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 2,647 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	[quoteost_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]So what if they would get tired of it? It still doesn't change the fact that they CAN be brought back from the dead. And if any of the Saiya-jins get killed and brought back, they would get a HUGE power up for each time they came back. Roll, are you THAT simpleminded? First off, Gill can't just raise the temperatures in a small space around someone's body. He would have to raise the temperature to over 3 thousand degrees over a large area to affect the Z fighters. Also, the Z fighters would be able to form a shield against the heat until they could fly away from the heated area. And if the SF characters are grappling with the DBZ characters, and Gill raises the heat, the SF characters would also be melted if they're in close proximity with the DBZ characters. And Buu cannot be defeated by the heat or great temperatures. As we all know, the Ki blasts in DBZ are energy, and energy is moving. The faster the atoms in energy move, the hotter it gets. That is why the blasts in DBZ are hot. Now, if Buu exploding, then being blasted by heat couldn't kill him, raising the heat won't kill him. The only reason Buu was killed was because Goku's Genki Dama had a greater amount of energy than Buu could fend off. The Genki Dama simply had more power than Buu, and thus he was destroyed. However, raising the temperature won't affect Buu. And for Gill's temperature to break through a shield by the Z fighters, it would have to be raised to a lot above the heat of molten lava. If that were the case, the very oxygen and nitrogen and assorted chemical molecules in the air would ignite, and cause an explosion that would cover a HUGE area of the sky. (it's kind of like a bullet piercing a tank of compressed oxygen). And finally, if even a weak fighter such as Yamucha kills the scientists and the bodies of Gill, Gill would be left bodiless in the event of his body's destruction.[/quote] Geez, Nantuko, are you THAT ignorant? Now I see why Tarkan quit. Of course he could raise the temperature around him, and even if he does melt the SF Fighters away, he'd still melt the DB'Z' fighters as well, no matter how high the temperature has to be raised. And while they are grappling with the SF's, if they are able to form a shield around themselves from the heat while grappling, then I guess they're multi-talented, aren't they? And as for that thing about igniting the very oxygen and nitrogen and "assorted chemical molecules" in the air, is there any proof that that can happen, or did you make that up yourself? Because I have never heard of such a thing being even tried/proven before in all my life, and I read a LOT of books. The only thing I know, is that the hottest magma (that I know of) found is the Basaltic magma which is ESTIMATED (since it cannot be measured) to be between 1000 C and 1200 C. So, if you could, please post where I can find more information on the effects of the increased temperature in the air. __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://www.boomspeed.com/roll/Hikaru-2.jpg[/img:sig_uid] Perhaps.. I've overstayed my welcome..

11-11-2002, 02:40 PM	#607
Roll Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 2,647 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	I made it seem like he makes an imaginary wall...? Wow.... The following is I'll be editing my post later with another argument thingy. Right now, My aunt, uncle, and cousin are leaving for New York, and I'm going with them to say goodbye. brb. __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://www.boomspeed.com/roll/Hikaru-2.jpg[/img:sig_uid] Perhaps.. I've overstayed my welcome..

11-13-2002, 05:10 AM	#608
Nantuko Joe Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Right behind you... Posts: 1,479 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	Actually, the Henka Beam theory (turn Gill into candy) WILL work. The part in DBZ where you see Chichi, Buruma, Videl, Kuririn, and Dabura in the afterlife was filler, I dont' think it happened in the manga (mostly in part because of Dabura's Roll-like niceness (j/k)). I think that in the manga, their bodies were absorbed, and not just their power

11-13-2002, 08:24 PM	#609
Gotenks13 Senior Member Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alabama sucks...I'm movin' to Florida when I graduate... Posts: 326 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	I think that the air explosion might be true. I'm pretty sure it happens near the sun. I think that the atoms would collide and split, which is how atomic bombs work(I think...). That split would release an enormous amount of energy, but it still might not work. Also, Goku was surviving about 10 ft. from a star in the Namek saga, so... __________________ O6' MUTHA SMUCKA!!!!!

11-14-2002, 06:57 AM	#610
Nantuko Joe Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Right behind you... Posts: 1,479 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	[quoteost_uid0="Gotenks13"]Also, Goku was surviving about 10 ft. from a star in the Namek saga, so...[/quote] Umm...no?