Street fighter vs. dragon ball(not counting gt.... - Or anything contradtcing the manga) - Page 60

Roll · 11-09-2002, 09:20 PM

Don't count SF out yet! I know I am missing something that is vital to this fight... just give me time to think... until then, find more strategies to beat Gill with, because that one about Buu eating Gill isn't very good, since Gill's soul is immortal, and since it isn't officially in tune with the body he is in, he can just leave when ever the body is destroyed (reference goes to the fact that new bodies are made for him whenever the older ones are destroyed.... thank you Tarkan...)

Gotenks13 · 11-09-2002, 09:32 PM

Hhmmm...Do you think that Akuma's Raging Demon (forgot the Japanese name) could send Gill's soul to hell? Maybe they could trick Gill into doing it to Gill by throwing Gill into the blast using SSJ2 Veggeto or SSJ3 Gotenks.

If that doesn't work, then maybe, hey wait, aren't all "souls" immortal? In movie 13, all of the evil souls merged and made Janemba. I'm sure that the same concept is used in the official series. No one's soul can actually be "killed". All of the humans that Buu killed lost there bodies, but Goku got to keep his because of a decision by Enma Daiou. When Gill's body is destroyed (by someone...), even if he gets a new one, that doesn't nesasarily (spell it right plz...) mean that he'll get to use it.

Hey, it's my 100th post!!!

Nantuko Joe · 11-10-2002, 07:32 AM

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Hhmmm...Do you think that Akuma's Raging Demon (forgot the Japanese name) could send Gill's soul to hell? Maybe they could trick Gill into doing it to Gill by throwing Gill into the blast using SSJ2 Veggeto or SSJ3 Gotenks

Tark said that he tried it on Gill, but Gill was unaffected

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If that doesn't work, then maybe, hey wait, aren't all "souls" immortal? In movie 13, all of the evil souls merged and made Janemba. I'm sure that the same concept is used in the official series. No one's soul can actually be "killed". All of the humans that Buu killed lost there bodies, but Goku got to keep his because of a decision by Enma Daiou. When Gill's body is destroyed (by someone...), even if he gets a new one, that doesn't nesasarily (spell it right plz...) mean that he'll get to use it.

Interesting reference, Gotenks (even though it's irrelevant in the debate). However, in the DBZ series, when a person dies, their body is destroyed, but their soul remains. However, their soul cannot remain on earth, it has to be transported to the Afterlife. GIll apparently is different. His physical body can be destroyed, but his spirit is immortal (kind of like the disembodied spirits of Star Wars, it can seek another body to live in w/o having to go to the afterlife

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find more strategies to beat Gill with, because that one about Buu eating Gill isn't very good, since Gill's soul is immortal, and since it isn't officially in tune with the body he is in, he can just leave when ever the body is destroyed (reference goes to the fact that new bodies are made for him whenever the older ones are destroyed.... thank you Tarkan...)

I do not believe Gill's spirit can leave the body unless the body is destroyed. I believe that the Henka Beam theory WILL work. Gill's body would be turned into food, and the spirit would be trapped inside the body until the body is killed. However, when one is eaten with the Henka Beam, they are not destroyed, but ABSORBED. Therefore, Gill would not die, but Gill's spirit and consciousness would be absorbed into Buu, allowing Buu to successfully control Gill's power.

Also, the Kai Kai teleportation theory also still works. IF Gill is teleported to the afterlife, he would be stranded, and unable to return to earth. His body and soul will still be ALIVE, but in a different dimension. And the only way to get back would be to ask Lord Enma's permission, which Enma can deny.

Dan Hibiki · 11-10-2002, 03:58 PM

No, everybody who was eaten by Buu was in Heaven with Dabura, remember? They were DEAD, not absorbed.

Roll · 11-10-2002, 04:01 PM

...I think I found a way to counter-act the Lord Enma thing.. I just have to see if it is possible...

Nantuko Joe · 11-10-2002, 05:56 PM

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No, everybody who was eaten by Buu was in Heaven with Dabura, remember? They were DEAD, not absorbed.

Damn! I was hoping you guys wouldnt remember that.

Well, Buu could also absorb Gill via his putty. And as we all know, when buu uses the putty absorption, the ppl are still alive in side of him.

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...I think I found a way to counter-act the Lord Enma thing.. I just have to see if it is possible...

There IS NO way to counteract the Lord Enma thing.

Roll · 11-10-2002, 06:19 PM

Awww... you're right... too bad. Look's like I have to use the last resort for Lord Enma. This battle is a "Who's the better fighter" type of fight. Lord Enma usually sends people back when the planet is in dire need of help. But, in this type of fight, he would know NOT to send them back until the fight is over. Which means, Gill would still be in there and he would still defeat them with any and all of his abilities, and when the fight is finally finished, Lord Enma would send those who died back because the side that won, won; and that side could be declared the stronger side.

Edit: Also, when the fight begins, Gill could just simply melt them all away... I owe Tarkan so much for telling the abilities of Gill in this thread, and for much more...

Gotenks13 · 11-10-2002, 09:35 PM

Sorry...but...what?

ajtimbs · 11-11-2002, 04:31 AM

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ost_uid0="Roll"]Some good points, Steventhebol. But Sf has the upper hand in technique. They are able to learn to change their attacks easily to do what they need to do. So you never know. Like Chunli. She can use her kikoushou to defend. Same thing with every other projectile user. And also, Goku needs time to gain the power from the earth for his Spirit bomb. And he also lost that ability when he became a super Saiyan. M. Bison can multipy too (or at least create an illusion of it). Rose could absorb projectiles with her scarf (since they are 1 hitters...), Zangief could turn into Metal Zangief and do some super strong holds on them. Sakura could use her shouoken to defend against projectiles, and cause some serious damge. Ryu has his Shinkuu hadouken which is pulled off automatically. Ken has the dragon punches. Cammy has that cannon drill, along with the cannon spike. And if we involved all of capcom here, then this would be a heavy fight, but it doesn't involve it. Oh well. that's all I have.... for now...

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cool so sf can do all if that and dbz can't cool :wow:

Nantuko Joe · 11-11-2002, 04:52 AM

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Awww... you're right... too bad. Look's like I have to use the last resort for Lord Enma. This battle is a "Who's the better fighter" type of fight. Lord Enma usually sends people back when the planet is in dire need of help. But, in this type of fight, he would know NOT to send them back until the fight is over. Which means, Gill would still be in there and he would still defeat them with any and all of his abilities, and when the fight is finally finished, Lord Enma would send those who died back because the side that won, won; and that side could be declared the stronger side.

Not technically. Technically, everyone is supposed to stay DEAD, but if Enma wants to, he can revive ppl as he sees fit (he has the power to). Now, this isn't just a "strongest fighter" battle, but also more brains. Let's just say taht for the sake of argument, Akuma was really, really weak (like, Videl-strength weak), but still possessed the Shun Goku Satsu. Because he would be weak physically, but have a good ability, does that mean that he can't use it (since this is, as you said, a "Strongest fighter" battle)? No, it wouldn't be fair for a DBZ character to be excluded because of his abilities. Therefore, we can still use the Lord Enma thing.

And even if you wanted to be like taht, I still figured out a way to defeat GIll. Gill's spirit is immortal, but his body is not: a corporation makes him new bodies. However, since this is a "Strongest fighter" battle, we can't include the corp. that makes Gill's bodies (since they're only scientists, and not fighters, they'd be excluded). Therefore, that would leave Gill body-less, a wandering spirit. And I don't think Gill can fight using only his spirit, and for obvious reasons: if he COULD fight with his spirit, why would he keep needing bodies to reside in? Why couldnt' he just live as a spirit and be immortal? Because...he can't fight as a spirit.

Either way, DBZ still wins

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cool so sf can do all if that and dbz can't cool

Yeah, but there are lots of moves that DBZ CAN do and SF CAN'T do.

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Roll Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 2,647 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	Don't count SF out yet! I know I am missing something that is vital to this fight... just give me time to think... until then, find more strategies to beat Gill with, because that one about Buu eating Gill isn't very good, since Gill's soul is immortal, and since it isn't officially in tune with the body he is in, he can just leave when ever the body is destroyed (reference goes to the fact that new bodies are made for him whenever the older ones are destroyed.... thank you Tarkan...) __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://www.boomspeed.com/roll/Hikaru-2.jpg[/img:sig_uid] Perhaps.. I've overstayed my welcome..

11-09-2002, 09:32 PM	#592
Gotenks13 Senior Member Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alabama sucks...I'm movin' to Florida when I graduate... Posts: 326 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	Hhmmm...Do you think that Akuma's Raging Demon (forgot the Japanese name) could send Gill's soul to hell? Maybe they could trick Gill into doing it to Gill by throwing Gill into the blast using SSJ2 Veggeto or SSJ3 Gotenks. If that doesn't work, then maybe, hey wait, aren't all "souls" immortal? In movie 13, all of the evil souls merged and made Janemba. I'm sure that the same concept is used in the official series. No one's soul can actually be "killed". All of the humans that Buu killed lost there bodies, but Goku got to keep his because of a decision by Enma Daiou. When Gill's body is destroyed (by someone...), even if he gets a new one, that doesn't nesasarily (spell it right plz...) mean that he'll get to use it. Hey, it's my 100th post!!! __________________ O6' MUTHA SMUCKA!!!!!

11-10-2002, 03:58 PM	#594
Dan Hibiki Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: City. House. Warm house. Posts: 1,510 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	No, everybody who was eaten by Buu was in Heaven with Dabura, remember? They were DEAD, not absorbed. __________________ With great power comes great responsibility. Details, details... I'll show you power! I'll make you cry like when my goldfish died!!!

11-10-2002, 04:01 PM	#595
Roll Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 2,647 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	...I think I found a way to counter-act the Lord Enma thing.. I just have to see if it is possible... __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://www.boomspeed.com/roll/Hikaru-2.jpg[/img:sig_uid] Perhaps.. I've overstayed my welcome..

11-10-2002, 06:19 PM	#597
Roll Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 2,647 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	Awww... you're right... too bad. Look's like I have to use the last resort for Lord Enma. This battle is a "Who's the better fighter" type of fight. Lord Enma usually sends people back when the planet is in dire need of help. But, in this type of fight, he would know NOT to send them back until the fight is over. Which means, Gill would still be in there and he would still defeat them with any and all of his abilities, and when the fight is finally finished, Lord Enma would send those who died back because the side that won, won; and that side could be declared the stronger side. Edit: Also, when the fight begins, Gill could just simply melt them all away... I owe Tarkan so much for telling the abilities of Gill in this thread, and for much more... __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://www.boomspeed.com/roll/Hikaru-2.jpg[/img:sig_uid] Perhaps.. I've overstayed my welcome..

11-10-2002, 09:35 PM	#598
Gotenks13 Senior Member Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alabama sucks...I'm movin' to Florida when I graduate... Posts: 326 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	Sorry...but...what? __________________ O6' MUTHA SMUCKA!!!!!

11-11-2002, 04:31 AM	#599
ajtimbs Senior Member Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: GA Posts: 291 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	[quoteost_uid0="Roll"]Some good points, Steventhebol. But Sf has the upper hand in technique. They are able to learn to change their attacks easily to do what they need to do. So you never know. Like Chunli. She can use her kikoushou to defend. Same thing with every other projectile user. And also, Goku needs time to gain the power from the earth for his Spirit bomb. And he also lost that ability when he became a super Saiyan. M. Bison can multipy too (or at least create an illusion of it). Rose could absorb projectiles with her scarf (since they are 1 hitters...), Zangief could turn into Metal Zangief and do some super strong holds on them. Sakura could use her shouoken to defend against projectiles, and cause some serious damge. Ryu has his Shinkuu hadouken which is pulled off automatically. Ken has the dragon punches. Cammy has that cannon drill, along with the cannon spike. And if we involved all of capcom here, then this would be a heavy fight, but it doesn't involve it. Oh well. that's all I have.... for now... [/quote] cool so sf can do all if that and dbz can't cool :wow: __________________ [IMG]C:\WINDOWS\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\TV7N5PCE\pocketmonstersruby_gba_ ss03[1].jpg[/IMG] new pokemon new thing to do but it's not in usa