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[Nantuko Joe]

fool, do you even know what communism is?
why do you think cuba/iraq all go after america? and not france or britain, or some other country?
terrorists do not hate freedom, they do not hate equality, they are humans just like you and me. what they do hate, is america's support for israel. what they do hate is america's constant meddling in their affairs. more than half of the muslim/arabic world hates the U.S. for this crap. america Created the terrorists

Let me see...you say that the terrorists don't hate freedom, yet in terrorist countries, women must wear head-to-toe robes. Women cannot go into public without the company of a male (even a 5-year-old boy). If a woman is seen in public without a male companion, she is killed.

When the US went into afhanistan and got rid of the terrorist Taliban government, the women were free. The women could go outside alone (or with a group of women, not in the presence of a man). Women could show their faces, their bodies. But no...you're right...the terrorists don't hate freedom...even though they pretty much outlaw freedom in their own countries...they don't hate it...right...

oh, and nantukuko, an atom bomb doesn't just afect on part of a contry, one bomb willl destroy everyone, and everything in Iraq. not at once, in time. first, if anyradiation goes into the water, dead. if radiation goes anywhere near the farms, dead. if any radiation hits the oil. dead... slowyly, the wole Iraqy government/citizens die. but, it takes 20+ years, so this will give them plenty of time to drop 5 more on us.

Um...are you still living in the '50s?

We don't have atom bombs anymore. We have nukes. Each of our nukes has about 5-10x the power of the Hiroshima atom bomb. Either way, the thing about radiation, and global winter...I ALREADY SAID IT, so there was no need for you to tell me what I already know and already said.

[Yasback]

what the hey?

all these sensible intelligent posts (posted for the first time on this forum)

why?

because of me i started this topic.. lol this is so amazing :buttrock: wow yey!!!

hey guys, i'm going home now (i'm at college right now: time: 5:00pm) but thanks for your opinions and i am really appreciative about them.. thank you ]

i shall read them properly pretty soon so i can add my opinions too since i am the one who wanted quite challenging remarks,

anyway seeya guys, take care :laughlong:

Aight... I'm purposly skipping the 5th and 6th pages for a reason... I CAN'T READ YOU'RE BLOODY POSTS! Are Nantuko Joe, Dan Hibiki, and Finnegan the only guys who know how to post here? I just can't deal with all this SSJKarma rambling and Yasback.. whatever the hell that's supposed to be.

Eyes hurting... ok, well anyone who's posted there can just ignore what I've got to say here since it's directed to Finnegan:

2 points here...

1. The US has had a policy of striking first since the Revolutionary War. I know this may sound forgien to you, but here me out:
- Revolutionary War: 1st attacks began before the Declaration of Independence was ever written... colonists attacked British who were marching off to round up milita supplies, and well, the collonists attacked. The US clearly made the 1st strike there.
- War of 1812: The US wanted to expand in Canada.. plain and simple. US aggresion lead to war, not this impressments (which btw the British aggreed to stop.. before the war even began).
- Mexican War: Again... started by the US. US agression to "defend" Texas, which "won it's independence" from Mexico by illegal US immigrants, provoked Mexico to defend its borders... and so the US won again.
- Civil War: Lincoln intended for Fort Sumter (not sure how it's spelled) to get attacked. He did this by sending supplies to it... after the fort was attacked, he assembled the US army and struck first in the Battle of Bull Run.
- Spanish-American War: After the Maine blew up near Cuba (where it had no right to be in the first place, and wasn't even attacked by Spanish), the US attacked the Spanish in Cuba and the Phillipines (once again, probably misspelled).
- Panama's revolution against New Granada: Not a single person was hurt... and the US "aid" to the nation arived ahead of schedule (before the revolution).
- Filopiane Revolt: US conquered the Philipines instead of "setting them free" as they so justly did to Cuba, and so... they made sure to do the exact same thing they fought the Spanish for doing a year or 2 ago.
- WWI: At what point was the US mainland invaded? Never. The US struck before Germany or Austria-Hungary could ever have a chance to (of which neither country had any intentions... it was just a huge diplomatic mistake, filled with military miscalculations).
- WWII: Pearl Harbor... which belonged to the US because what reason? A McKinley Tarriff increases the tax of imports to the US back in the mid/late 1800's, so some rich sugar cane farmers get together and overthrough the Hawaiin natives for cheaper sell of sugar (same reason for intervention in Cuba in Spanish-American War btw). Anyways, here the US was struck first... and all because they had thier Pacific Fleet stationed somewhere where the US shouldn't have owned in the first place.
- Viet-nam and Korean Wars: US troops stationed in these countries got under fire... but still, the US was not invaded in any way. Not really wars the US wanted to get involved in though, much unlike all of the previous wars. I guess this and WWII are the closest to the US mainland actually came to being "defended" as the reason the US was fighting the war.
- Persian Gulf War: Kuait = probably misspelled :biggrin: . But it was/is also a large supplier of oil, and once Saddam took it over, he had 25% of the world oil if I'm not mistaken? So... since the US had absolutely no threat towards itself, other then perhaps higher gas prices... it attacked first.

Anyways, if you havn't already guessed, the point I'm making here is the US has always, and will almost certainly continue to use it's "military defense" not to defend themselves, but to attack first. There's nothing wrong with the tactic... so far it hasn't failed, and seems to leave the opponent with no way to win. I just hate the fact that so many people believe in "defending out nation" when in effect they'd only be defending someone else's nation.

2. The Treaty of Versailles (is almost certainly misspelled), as you said... left Germany in ruins. It's most productive centers were bereft of it, it's colonial empire was gone, and it was demanded to pay homage to the nations which won... Which lead directly the rise of the Nazi regime as the political power in the nation. The irony here is not is Germany didn't cause this to happen by simply disobeying they Treaty, the Allies caused it by making the treaty so utterly impossible for Germany to adhear, that it caved into a depression that was unsurpassed in the world (to give some of the others reading this an idea, 1 dollar = 6 million german marks, at one point)... and there was no one left to fight the Nazi facism that dominated the nation. This should sound a bit like the Bolshevik revolution... since both were facist regimes that took over an economically poor nation and turned it into an industrial power house. But anyways... because of the treaty of Versailles, WWII's stage was set.

I agree that nations should follow treaties that are set, but the nations that force these treaties upon other nations should make certain that what they're asking of them is realistic. The UN inspecting for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is unrealistic, and was bound to fail, and I only have those people who wrote that part in the treaty to blame for what's happening now.



Edited By 2000warrior on Jan. 24 2003 at 01:30

[Nantuko Joe]

1. The US has had a policy of striking first since the Revolutionary War. I know this may sound forgien to you, but here me out:
- Revolutionary War: 1st attacks began before the Declaration of Independence was ever written... colonists attacked British who were marching off to round up milita supplies, and well, the collonists attacked. The US clearly made the 1st strike there.

Finnigan helped speak for me, so I'll return the favor and do what I can:

...because the colonists had to endure years upon years of British tyranny and unlawfulness in the country they formed to ESCAPE the British tyranny in the first place. There's only so much you can take before you snap.

- Civil War: Lincoln intended for Fort Sumter (not sure how it's spelled) to get attacked. He did this by sending supplies to it... after the fort was attacked, he assembled the US army and struck first in the Battle of Bull Run.

If I were you...I wouldn't try to start a debate about the Civil War with Finnigan. You don't know what yer getting into...

- WWII: Pearl Harbor... which belonged to the US because what reason? A McKinley Tarriff increases the tax of imports to the US back in the mid/late 1800's, so some rich sugar cane farmers get together and overthrough the Hawaiin natives for cheaper sell of sugar (same reason for intervention in Cuba in Spanish-American War btw). Anyways, here the US was struck first... and all because they had thier Pacific Fleet stationed somewhere where the US shouldn't have owned in the first place.

Umm...no. The japanese attacked Pearl Harbor because the US didn't support them in their invasion of Manchuria and China. They also attacked because since the US didn't support their invasion, they either suspended all trade with Japan or increased tariffs (can't remember which one.) Hardly a reason to bomb a base and kill hundreds of americans.

And America purchased Hawaii...THAT'S why we were there in the first place. Since we purchased it, it is ours. Since it's ours, we had every right to position our ships and whatnot there.

And about WWII Germany...Germany DID attack the United States directly...it's just that not may people know about it. If you want, I can tell you how he did it, too.

- Viet-nam and Korean Wars: US troops stationed in these countries got under fire... but still, the US was not invaded in any way. Not really wars the US wanted to get involved in though, much unlike all of the previous wars. I guess this and WWII are the closest to the US mainland actually came to being "defended" as the reason the US was fighting the war.

The U.S. entered the Vietnam war because they were in support of South Vietnam. South Vietnam was a democracy (what the US stands for) and the North was a Communist regimen, and was attacking to try to take over the south. If YOU were Eisenhower/JFK/LBJ, I SINCERELY DOUBT that you'd sit on your heals and watch a democratic government be overrun by Communists.

- Persian Gulf War: Kuait = probably misspelled . But it was/is also a large supplier of oil, and once Saddam took it over, he had 25% of the world oil if I'm not mistaken? So... since the US had absolutely no threat towards itself, other then perhaps higher gas prices... it attacked first.

Actually, the middle-east (Saudi Arabia more specifically) supplies over 60% of the world's oil. Now, the US was smart and began to think ahead:

Would YOU want 60% of the world's oil being controlled by a phsyco maniac named Saddam Hussein?

2. The Treaty of Versailles (is almost certainly misspelled), as you said... left Germany in ruins. It's most productive centers were bereft of it, it's colonial empire was gone, and it was demanded to pay homage to the nations which won... Which lead directly the rise of the Nazi regime as the political power in the nation. The irony here is not is Germany didn't cause this to happen by simply disobeying they Treaty, the Allies caused it by making the treaty so utterly impossible for Germany to adhear, that it caved into a depression that was unsurpassed in the world (to give some of the others reading this an idea, 1 dollar = 6 million german marks, at one point)... and there was no one left to fight the Nazi facism that dominated the nation. This should sound a bit like the Bolshevik revolution... since both were facist regimes that took over an economically poor nation and turned it into an industrial power house. But anyways... because of the treaty of Versailles, WWII's stage was set.

So why did they start a mass holocaust of homos, gypsies, Jews, and other minorities, killing over 10 million, 100% innocent men, women and children?

Also, we attacked against Germany because Hitler, the fcuking madman that he was, wanted to conquor the world. And the people of Germany of that point weren't that smart, I may add. Think about it: The guy that all of Germany rallied behind, the guy who said that 'the ideal human is a large, strong man with blue eyes and blonde hair, and that everyone else is inferior" had...brown hair and brown eyes. And the ppl rallied behind him.

I agree that nations should follow treaties that are set, but the nations that force these treaties upon other nations should make certain that what they're asking of them is realistic. The UN inspecting for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is unrealistic, and was bound to fail, and I only have those people who wrote that part in the treaty to blame for what's happening now.

How is the UN inspecting unrealistic? They've found biological and chemical weapons in there in years past, and recently found chemical warheads. If you ask me, chemical and biological warheads are a serious threat. Saddam is a madman, and we have every right to make sure that he isn't stockpiling weapons of mass destruction. He's not resonsible enough to have them. The USA and Russia are. I mean, c'mon. Have the US or Russia killed over 1.5 million of our own people testing nukes and such? Thought not.

[marvel911]

Why is it that only America has these problems?

[MasterX05]

America has the most power and plus other ppl are hating on us.

[~virtualfighter~]

nantuko, tell us the story of when the germans atacked the Us, i want to know, for further use.

[SolidSnake76]

yeah, tell him about the zimmerman telegraph. hell i say it.

the US was getting torward stepping in WWI[or whichever one u talking about], so germany made a deal with mexico.

if the US enters the war, help germany attack the US and u get a piece of the US back.

i know my history, but i still cant understand why the US still entered besides that incident. oh and germany never attacked the US.

and joe, let finnigan say sumthing about the civil war so i can give him a piece of my mind.

Nantuko Joe: You clearly missed the point of all that. Please remind me at what point I said any of those wars that you just quoted were unjust?

Regaurless of my own personal emotions, I was discussing 1 very simple thing... strategy for "defense". You remember reading Finnigan's posts right?

[quoteost_uid0="Finnigan"]
Remember Sept 11 people? We have to strike first from now one.[/quote]

By calling up previous US wars, I've shown that the US has in almost every single case struck first.

And as for your actual comments...

[quoteost_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]...because the colonists had to endure years upon years of British tyranny and unlawfulness in the country they formed to ESCAPE the British tyranny in the first place. There's only so much you can take before you snap.[/quote]

Ok... so they didn't have representation. So what? That made several rich radicals want to separate, and by the time the war broke out only about 30% of the population wanted war, with the majority either not caring or being undecided (which would have been after the Boston Massacre and the Intollerable Acts). Remember the time period, people who were rebelling were against the coast (these triangular traders), and had been disobeying the Navigation Acts for quite some time. In fact, I believe I read a census that 95% of colonial America were yeomen farmers, and wern't even effected by these tariffs? So you might call the founding fathers "smugglers", since that's exactly what they were. And fyi, imperialist America became the same as the British, if you remember why the US even owned Hawaii and the Philopines in the first place. Rich people bitchin' about the Navigation Acts actually being enforced where your entire Glourious Revolution lays. I suggest you find a History teacher who's indifferent, and will cease sending this constant flow of propaganda down your throat.

[quoteost_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]
Umm...no. The japanese attacked Pearl Harbor because the US didn't support them in their invasion of Manchuria and China. They also attacked because since the US didn't support their invasion, they either suspended all trade with Japan or increased tariffs (can't remember which one.) Hardly a reason to bomb a base and kill hundreds of americans.

And America purchased Hawaii...THAT'S why we were there in the first place. Since we purchased it, it is ours. Since it's ours, we had every right to position our ships and whatnot there.

And about WWII Germany...Germany DID attack the United States directly...it's just that not may people know about it. If you want, I can tell you how he did it, too.[/quote]

Why don't you read that thing you quoted? You should find it quite clear I listed 0 reasons why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor :biggrin:

As for why the US owned it? Well here's a short excerpt from my History book:
[quoteost_uid0="History Book"]
The interest of the United States in the Pacific and the Far East began in the late eighteenth century, when the first American merchant ship dropped anchor in Canton harbor. After the Treaty of Wanghai (1844), American merchants in China enjoyed many privileges and trade expanded rapidly. Missionaries began to flock into the country

[quoteost_uid0="Yasback"]yo guys, in case you did not realise considering you've been wasting the time of your life concentrating on this game, accepting it as YOUR sole purpose in life.. (knock knock) :buttrock:

but we have a problem intensifying on this planet which will decide your fate!

ok world hysteria has begun.. the war on iraq is definite and drawing near! millions of innocent people will die.. not just in iraq but also in america! pretty soon, the whole world and since there are many parts of the world of tremendous rows over land and fighting between creeds.. the world has changed and its time we prepare for this ugly change!

whats your opinion about this world disorder? how do you propose to support the prevention of this war if you want to prevent it.

seeya guys![/quote]
ya sadly


the gas will get more expensive cause Iraq wont give us any and the prize will go 75% higher...

america messes around with every single country thats the worst thing...

no offence but once every country will team up and blow up USA ...
just a local guess