Street fighter vs. dragon ball(not counting gt.... - Or anything contradtcing the manga)

[Nantuko Joe]

[quoteost_uid0="Dan Hibiki"]Cell didn't know what the hell was going on and was caught off-guard by it. Plus, he couldn't have done anything because he was about to detonate.[/quote]
How do you know that? Was it stated in the manga that Cell didn't know what was going on? And just because he COULDN'T resist the teleportation, does that mean that other ppl CAN resist the teleportation just by NOT WANTING to be teleported? That is a load of bull

Seeing as Gill can throw out the Seraphic Wing infinitely he doesn't need to see the Henkai Beam coming.

Ha! Find another angle!

Well, if he wants to counter the Henka beam with the Seraph WIng, he'll NEED to know that it's coming. Otherwise, he will not know the beam is coming, and then be transformed into candy.

Ha! Find another angle!

[TarkanX]

I'm sure that you know that the some of Saiyan/Saiyajin fighters could distract Gill for a while. Besides, if Vegetto came and KOed Gill, he would be too busy trying to heal himself, leaving him open to the Henka Beam.

Before Vegetto tries to KO Gill, Gill burns Vegetto melting him, then Gill dodges the Henka Beam.

WHERE does it say that you have to grapple an opponent before teleporting them? All you have to do is touch them. Unless you can give me PROOF stating otherwise, the teleporting Gill to the afterlife is a winning strategy. He'd be removed from the fight, and therefore would not be able to participate.

You don't have to grapple them, with Goku, it takes some seconds(maybe 10) to teleport from one place to another, and with East Kaioshin, it's the samething, except E. Kaioshin is much faster, though they'd have to touch Gill, And Gill is always throwing flames and increasing the weather(if you didn't understand what I just said, just say you didn't, and I'll explain it again.)

First off, that was Fat Buu. I'm talking about Ma-jin Buu and/or Kid Buu. If Gill was grappling an opponent (I'll use Toon Ryu's idea and say he's fighting SSJ2 Vegetto), he could be distracted. Therefore, Buu would be able to hit him from BEHIND with the beam. Also, Buu could do what he did to SSJ3 Gotenks: sneak off some of his putty, then have it rear up and envelop Gill, absorbing him and gaining Buu his energy

Gill doesn't have to grapple an opponent to win. And about Buu, and his skin, that is a good strategy, but Gill melts off part of his skin. Remember that you have to destroy Buu to completely win, Burning just gets rid of his bio parts(if he has any), it can be just like against Cell.

All Gill has to do is not want to go and it is so.

It's not that simple

Like i said, you and Tarkan can go out and find the manga pages where it says that you have to grapple the opponent, or that the opponent has to WANT to go with them. Personally, I think you guys are making this crap up just to try and win this debate.

I'd show you the pages on AIM, I can't put pics on the net from my HDD, since I don't know how to. And you don't have to grapple the opponent to teleport them.

That's not physically possible. EVERYTHING loses energy when they use energy. In space, the stars use energy, and they lose their energy over time, eventually cooling off and collapsing. To say that Gill has an infinite amount of energy would be denying the very laws of physics and nature.

Yes Gill does lose energy, only because of the present body he's in. But he can heal himself back, he doesn't waste as much energy as humans, he's like a DB"Z" character, he can throw Seraphic Wings for a LONG LONG time.

ok just one thing if Gill cant be teleported to afterlife howcome cell was

hmm... wait a minute, Gill can't be teleported to the afterlife. When Shin Akuma did the shun goku satsu, which sends your soul to hell, and the demons destroy your soul, Gill simply got back up. So doing the shun goku satsu, and teleporting your soul to hell is basically the samething.

Cell didn't know what the hell was going on and was caught off-guard by it. Plus, he couldn't have done anything because he was about to detonate.

Though Cell didn't want to go somewhere other than earth(which was where he was at the point), he was too busy bloating himself, so he couldn't do anything about it.

[TarkanX]

I found out some calculations, on speed, and that Gotenks can go 115 miles per second. Goku can lift 10 tons, and SSJ Goku can lift 40 tons(all in the Buu saga).

[Nantuko Joe]

Before Vegetto tries to KO Gill, Gill burns Vegetto melting him, then Gill dodges the Henka Beam.

What if the henka beam hits Gill before he has the chance to melt Vegetto? And besides, I'm sure Vegetto would be able to manage a shield against the heat, or teleport away from it. Either way, it IS POSSIBLE that Gill may drop his guard for half a moment, and that's all it takes to be hit by the beam.

You don't have to grapple them, with Goku, it takes some seconds(maybe 10) to teleport from one place to another, and with East Kaioshin, it's the samething, except E. Kaioshin is much faster, though they'd have to touch Gill, And Gill is always throwing flames and increasing the weather(if you didn't understand what I just said, just say you didn't, and I'll explain it again.)

You originally said that they had to grapple an opponent. Anyways, it takes Goku a long-ass time to teleport because his Shunkan Idou requires a ki target, and it takes a while to separate an individual ki target from millions of others.

Kibito's (and also Kaiobito's) teleportation, however, does not require a ki target. Therefore, Kaio-/Kibito could theoretically immediately teleport to Gill's location, grab his shoulder, and then immediately teleport to Hell or any other point in the afterlife, all before Gill can figure out what's going on (the entire process would take less than a half a second). Once Kaio-/Kibito teleports away, Gill would be stranded, and therefore unable to participate in the fight

Gill doesn't have to grapple an opponent to win. And about Buu, and his skin, that is a good strategy, but Gill melts off part of his skin. Remember that you have to destroy Buu to completely win, Burning just gets rid of his bio parts(if he has any), it can be just like against Cell.

Actually, Buu doesn't actually have SKIN. It's more of a magic putty. And you can't melt the skin away and dissolve it, because that's what Piccolo and SSJ3 Gotenks did in the ROSAT--Buu regenerated anyway with the tiniest miniscule neutrons left after the burning. He'll still regenerate. And the putty could THEORETICALLY surprise Gill long enough to allow Buu to absorb him.

Basically, it will take more than heat to destroy Buu

It's not that simple

That's what I thought

I'd show you the pages on AIM, I can't put pics on the net from my HDD, since I don't know how to. And you don't have to grapple the opponent to teleport them.

What's an HDD? And you can email me the manga pics at nantukojoe@mallarky.net. If you wanna talk to me on AIM, my sn is ostrichman02

Yes Gill does lose energy, only because of the present body he's in. But he can heal himself back, he doesn't waste as much energy as humans, he's like a DB"Z" character, he can throw Seraphic Wings for a LONG LONG time.

I thought so. Therefore, the Seraph Wing CANNOT be cast infinately, and if he uses all his energy using Seraph Wings, he will be too weak to heal himself (and vice versa: if he heals himself too much, he won't have enough energy to form a decently-strengthed Seraph Wing to protect himself

hmm... wait a minute, Gill can't be teleported to the afterlife. When Shin Akuma did the shun goku satsu, which sends your soul to hell, and the demons destroy your soul, Gill simply got back up. So doing the shun goku satsu, and teleporting your soul to hell is basically the samething.

Not quite. From what I've heard, the Shun Goku Satsu teleports your SOUL to hell. However, the teleportation in DBZ actually teleports their BODY to the afterlife. That doesn't mean that they're dead, it just means that their body is in another dimension. If Gill's body is stranded there, he has no way to get back unless someone else teleports him out of there.

I found out some calculations, on speed, and that Gotenks can go 115 miles per second. Goku can lift 10 tons, and SSJ Goku can lift 40 tons(all in the Buu saga).

How on earth did you figure out their lifting strength? It's easy to figure out his speed, but his lifting strength?

[Dan Hibiki]

On the Shun Goku Satsu reference: he's saying it like it actually happened and it did not phase Gill. I don't know if it happened, but I know that Akuma wanted to fight Gill (find the best, kill the rest sorta thing).

[TarkanX]

What if the henka beam hits Gill before he has the chance to melt Vegetto? And besides, I'm sure Vegetto would be able to manage a shield against the heat, or teleport away from it. Either way, it IS POSSIBLE that Gill may drop his guard for half a moment, and that's all it takes to be hit by the beam

If this is a 2 on 2, then Shin Bison/Twelve faces off against Buu, so Buu is too much into Shin Bison/Twelve, and the Gill fights Vegetto.

Kibito's (and also Kaiobito's) teleportation, however, does not require a ki target. Therefore, Kaio-/Kibito could theoretically immediately teleport to Gill's location, grab his shoulder, and then immediately teleport to Hell or any other point in the afterlife, all before Gill can figure out what's going on (the entire process would take less than a half a second). Once Kaio-/Kibito teleports away, Gill would be stranded, and therefore unable to participate in the fight

There would be someone busy against Kaiobito(Shin Akuma), and remember that his energy goes down whenever he teleports, and also, Akuma can teleport, so he can prevent Kaiobito from coming to Gill.

Actually, Buu doesn't actually have SKIN. It's more of a magic putty. And you can't melt the skin away and dissolve it, because that's what Piccolo and SSJ3 Gotenks did in the ROSAT--Buu regenerated anyway with the tiniest miniscule neutrons left after the burning. He'll still regenerate. And the putty could THEORETICALLY surprise Gill long enough to allow Buu to absorb him.

The Genki-dama completely destroyed Buu, The Genki-dama is like a burning, and electric substance(it looks electric in the Saiya-jin saga, and it looks like it's burning Freiza's hand in the Freiza saga).

I'll have to figure something out, for now, your winning.

What's an HDD? And you can email me the manga pics at nantukojoe@mallarky.net. If you wanna talk to me on AIM, my sn is ostrichman02

Hard Disk Drive.

I thought so. Therefore, the Seraph Wing CANNOT be cast infinately, and if he uses all his energy using Seraph Wings, he will be too weak to heal himself (and vice versa: if he heals himself too much, he won't have enough energy to form a decently-strengthed Seraph Wing to protect himself

He can heal himself even if he is KOed.

Not quite. From what I've heard, the Shun Goku Satsu teleports your SOUL to hell. However, the teleportation in DBZ actually teleports their BODY to the afterlife. That doesn't mean that they're dead, it just means that their body is in another dimension. If Gill's body is stranded there, he has no way to get back unless someone else teleports him out of there.

Yeah, true, but Gill's soul will stay, and Gill can fight with his soul(with even more power).

How on earth did you figure out their lifting strength? It's easy to figure out his speed, but his lifting strength?

It was stated in the manga, the beginning of the Buu saga when Goku is training in the afterlife.

On the Shun Goku Satsu reference: he's saying it like it actually happened and it did not phase Gill. I don't know if it happened, but I know that Akuma wanted to fight Gill (find the best, kill the rest sorta thing).

Gill didn't fight Akuma, but it did test out how strong Gill was. I don't even know if Akuma knows Gill.

[princevegetam]

isn't this an all out fight? not a 2 on 2?

and i don't believe akuma's teleportation is as fast as kibito's.

anyways, so far no arguement can destroy gill. even if his body is destroyed his soul would still remain. and btw tarkan, gill's powers seem rather unrealistic for a street fighter. i mean does that mean NO ONE can beat gill or defeat him? so he could go on wreaking havoc all over the place? does he do that in the storyline?

[TarkanX]

and i don't believe akuma's teleportation is as fast as kibito's.

anyways, so far no arguement can destroy gill. even if his body is destroyed his soul would still remain. and btw tarkan, gill's powers seem rather unrealistic for a street fighter. i mean does that mean NO ONE can beat gill or defeat him? so he could go on wreaking havoc all over the place? does he do that in the storyline?

He's actually good, he's the savior for the earth

[princevegetam]

isn't he a boss in SF3? doesn't he do some kind of evil? i would really appreciate it if you would provide me with a good link where i could read more "official" info about gill.

[TarkanX]

and i don't believe akuma's teleportation is as fast as kibito's

Hmm... I thought I quoted this, anyways, yeah Kaiobito's teleport is much faster than Akuma's, but Shin Bison's teleport is instant.

isn't he a boss in SF3? doesn't he do some kind of evil? i would really appreciate it if you would provide me with a good link where i could read more "official" info about gill.

No, he's not evil, even if he is a last boss of a game, he's trying to make good and evil join together.

And yeah here's the link.


http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/misc/f...ghter_plot.txt


Don't listen to the tier list, it's all messed up, even the person who stated the tier list said it wasn't organized, but everything there is official.