Street fighter vs. dragon ball(not counting gt.... - Or anything contradtcing the manga)

[Nantuko Joe]

Yes, but if these demons prey on evil, then they'd rip out Akuma's soul, too. Remember, when the DBZ fights in hell, it's their souls fighting, not their bodies

And remember, many of the enemies in DBZ have no souls. Buu, Cell, Cell Jrs, and the Androids have no souls, since they're artificial creations

[Dan Hibiki]

princevegetam, we are talking about the reality that exists in Street Fighter. In the Street Fighter reality, that happens when the soul is ripped from the body. M. Bison was hit with Shun Goku Satsu, and when light returned his body was dead and soulless on the ground.

Gimme a break! Cell has a soul obviously if he is in Hell. Buu also has a soul. Thusly, through logic, the Cell Juniors have souls too. Also, the androids have souls because they aren't all artificial.

Akuma knows how to defend himself in Hell and the Z-Warriors don't. Thusly the Shun Goku Satsu could kill anybody in DBZ who committed a sin, and that is everybody.

You can't argue that it doesn't count to kill Cell, because Cell was/is (depending on what point in the series you reference) a living being. Whether or not he was artificially created is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that Gohan took his life.

[princevegetam]

what about the reality in dbz?

[Nantuko Joe]

Gimme a break! Cell has a soul obviously if he is in Hell. Buu also has a soul. Thusly, through logic, the Cell Juniors have souls too. Also, the androids have souls because they aren't all artificial.

Cell never went to hell. That was just filler in the Afterlife Tournament, when Cell and Furiza took control of Hell. That never really happened. Therefore, since Cell was artifically created, he has no soul.

And Buu doesn't have a soul, because he is made of pure magic, with no life essence. Since he isn't technically a living, breathing being, he has no soul.

And the androids' souls were removed when they actually became androids. And 16 never had a soul, since he's 100% mechanical.

Therefore, killing them is like hitting the "off" button on their circuitry.

Akuma knows how to defend himself in Hell and the Z-Warriors don't. Thusly the Shun Goku Satsu could kill anybody in DBZ who committed a sin, and that is everybody.

First off, Akuma has committed sins before. And even though he can defend himself in hell, his soul will still go to hell.

And how do you know that the Z fighters can't defend themselves in hell? Goku defended himself in hell when he fell off of Snake Way. Vegeta should have been able to defend himself, because he was used to evil deeds, hell should have been nothing.

In a nutshell, the Shun Goku Satsu is a kamikaze attack. Akuma's body would be destroyed, but his soul will survive in hell. That would automatically eliminate Akuma from the fight

You can't argue that it doesn't count to kill Cell, because Cell was/is (depending on what point in the series you reference) a living being. Whether or not he was artificially created is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that Gohan took his life.

He was, in a way, alive indeed, but he had no soul. In a way, it's like "killing" a zombie. He is destroyed, but there is no soul to send to heaven or hell.

And still, like I said, Akuma would also be destroyed with whomever he kills.

And the attack cannot affect Goten, Trunks, and Goku, because seriously, they never killed anyone. Goku didn't kill Radditsu, Piccolo did. Goku never killed Baata or Rikum, he only crippled them. Vegeta killed them. Goku never killed Furiza, only crippled him. He also never killed any of the androids, none of the Cell Jrs, or Buu (since Goku didnt' kill Buu, the ppl of earth did) Therefore, Goku has never killed anyone, and is unaffected by the Satsu. Same goes for Goten and Trunks. They never killed anyone, and therefore are unaffected by the Satsu

[princevegetam]

lol, i'll let mr. stubborn nantuko joe handle the dbz side, but i got one question for both sides tho:


would killing animals be considered a sin? what about killing flowers and stuff? they have soul don't they?

[Dan Hibiki]

Akuma has performed the attack several times in the story.

He used the Shun Goku Satsu as Ken watched him kill Gouken.
He attempted to kill Gen using the Shun Goku Satsu, but failed because Gen had purified his soul and atoned for all of the deaths he caused as an assassin.
He destroyed M. Bison with the Shun Goku Satsu just before, during, or immediately after the final battle in the Street Fighter II tournament.

Every time Akuma used the technique he came out unscathed. Thusly by determination of the occurences in the story, the attack is NOT a Kamikaze attack.

History on Oro: Oro is a master in his own right, so powerful that no matter how hard he searched he could find no equal on Earth to teach his techniques and styles to. He then had to paralyze one of his arms using magic, and even then most people couldn't take him down. Ryu is the only one who could come close to taking Oro on one-armed (SFIII), and Oro determines that in 15 years more of training Ryu should be powerful enough to give Oro at least a challenge with him using both arms.

In the SFIII games Oro has one arm paralyzed and in a sling. Because of this, Oro's Super Arts have two versions each. One version uses just his free arm, and the other one takes all of the Super Meter's energy (all levels) and he rips off his sling and makes use of his other arm in an insanely powerful attack.

Oro's Yagyou Dama is where he uses one arm and fires off a semi-large floating orb that drifts lethargically across the screen. It is not terribly powerful.

Oro's EX Yagyou Dama is where he rips off his sling and leaps into the air and forms an energy ball that takes up half the screen and hurls it at the person. It is one of the most damaging attacks in the Street Fighter world.

I say Cell had a soul, you say he didn't, and there is no way to prove or disprove this, so we should drop it. Nonetheless, Cell thought and thusly existed, and Gohan killed him.

I can understand the androids not having a soul because Android 16 never comes back when everybody else who was killed by Cell is resurrected.

Buu most certainly has a soul because Shenron resurrects Kid Buu as Ubuu, purified of his evil. Because he can be resurrected, that means that Buu has a soul, unlike Android 16 who can't be resurrected.

For princevegetam's questions: it should be a sin to kill an animal for the heck of it, but to kill plants is... well, stupid. We'd all go to Hell because we decided to walk across the grass instead of using the sidewalk.

[princevegetam]

wait, if gen purified his soul, why can't the z fighers do the same? how did he purify his soul? is there something you are not tell us?

[Dan Hibiki]

Capcom is renowned throughout the gaming world for leaving plot holes. They never said how he did it. To doublecheck I'll have to look over my official canon Street Fighter storyline compiled by fans and given the OK by Capcom.

[Dan Hibiki]

- Double post due to internet glitch -

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Quick addition: Dun forget Oro's other attacks! (Tenguu Ishi, Kishin Kuuchuu Jigoku Guruma, EX Hitobashira Natori, EX Nichirin Shou, etc.)