Hell there is a hell... - I'm not playing with you...=/

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None ofus have to read anything. Books are written to be read in the future either for entertainment, puzzlement, or for reference and (scarcely)warnings. This rule has never ever changed, no matter how much time passed. It could be any one of those things.

[alamgir]

Since i'm a Muslim its against my religion to beleive this , not that i even thought about beleiving in it annyway. I beleive in heaven and hell but hell on earth? Its a load of BS. I mean like hell is meant to be ur worst nightmare with things that are unimaginabley horrifying in it. The earths core is just a hot place, and chrisitanity doesnt say hell is on earth does it? Cos i know Islam doesn't.



Edited By alamgir on Mar. 19 2004 at 19:46

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I mean like hell is meant to be ur worst nightmare with things that are unimaginabley horrifying in it. The earths core is just a hot place, and chrisitanity doesnt say hell is on earth does it?

You know, it would be a little funny if "Hell" was just a sweatshop behind some factory building. *wonders*

[alamgir]

If that was the case, imagine how heaven would be like...

[kingofhearts]

I avoid this types of mostly because im a christian and it is impossible to convince someone if they dont want to listen or just refuse to see.. all the christians in here i would advice u to the read the bible in these subjects.. dont believe in the bible well too bad.. check this out .. 1 Timothy 6: 20,21 20 "O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge-- 21 by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen."

lol i bet im going to get dished for this..oh well
ps. if i knew how to make "knowledge" bold i would..=/
pss. if someone asks about me not speaking what i think and putting a verse of the bible as my answer..God knows better then me..

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No one should knock you at all for not speaking what you think. It's actually wise, at this point, to not say it anymore; which goes for everyone including me. But I'm not wise. ^.^
However, 21 tells that not all prophets are telling the truth, which makes it even more difficult for me to believe that anyone could be telling the truth.
However, I believe that everyone has their own truth, no matter what it is. The universe is yours and always has been yours to control. It's just that you can't take control of other peoples universe's. If you try to, you will always fail; and then the person will avoid trying to be around you. If you dream something it real, then perhaps it is -- for you. But unless you dream that something is not real, then there is a possibility that it could be true -- for you. Dream hold the keys to a persons heart, mind, and soul.

vx unicom said...
I know that GOD exists and the Devil exists as well........u know what? the Devil is probably laughing at u saying that young one so blinded by my darkness!!!! Without God there wouldn't be light, we wouldn't have a soul,extra.

No, without the high level of fission and chemical reactions in the sun, we wouldn't have light. And can you PROVE that souls exist? I don't believe we have souls at all...You have NO PROOF that god and the devil exists. You have BELIEFS, but NOT PROOF.

Faith is by hearing what a person says then believing that its true, u don't need prove. I've seen miracles, people being healed from cancer. In 1954 a boy was healed of cancer while back then scientist couldn't cure cancer even now they still can't figure it out. God will not prove his existance to a person who has no faith, i have faith and God proved to me his existance and presence.

Faith is not proof though. An unexplained miracle is not proof. Just because there's an unexplained medical miracle does not prove that god exists. I could easily say "well the boy was cured of cancer not because of your christian god, but because of Brighid, the Celtic goddess of healing. I have faith that the Celtic gods exist, and your one god does not." And you know what? You can't say shiat, because you can't prove nor disprove my claims.

Besides, a boy being cured of cancer without knowledge of how is not a miracle. A miracle would be a man who was born deaf and blind gaining the ability to see and hear after 90 years. A miracle would be a woman without the ability to walk being able to stand up from her wheelchair and walk again. Being cured of an illness and no one knows why...that's not a miracle.

I dislocated my kneecap last month, and am recovering faster than my physical therapist has ever seen anyone recover from a dislocated kneecap. Does that mean that it's a miracle of god, that my ligaments are pulling themselves together faster than normal?

Joe u have no idea what is going on in the world cause if youknew u wouldn't say such things. OPEN ur HEARTS to faith all you unwise mortals.

On the contrary. You have no idea of what's going on, because you're blinded by your "faith." You said that faith is hearing what a person says and then believing that it's true without needing proof. Basically, that translates into this:

"Faith is believing in something because you're told to, and don't have the ability to think for yourself."

What makes your religion and your god so much more special than the beliefs and gods of all the other religions of the world? For you to say that your god exists and everyone else is wrong is the most pompous, a-hole-ish thing that you could possibly say.

I mean, look at what alamgir said. He's muslim, and you're basically saying that he's wrong and you're right. That his beliefs are inaccurate and your beliefs are superior to his. You have no place to say that, none whatsoever.


I have a statement I'd like to make that I WANT YOU TO RESPOND TO.

In the Bible, it is stated that the earth is the center of all things, and that the sun revolves around the earth, and that all the stars in the sky are merely lights in the "heavens." The bible claims that god created the earth first, then created the sun as "a light in the sky."

Well guess what. Science has proven that the earth did not come before the sun. Science has proven that the sun is billions of years older than the earth. For that matter, science has also proven that the earth revolves around the sun....contrary to the bible's claims. Science has also proven that the stars in the sky are not merely "many lights in the heavens," but are other suns in other solar systems.

So now that science has basically proven the biblical theory of creation to be false, as the theory of creation claims that god made the earth the center of the universe, what do you have to say for yourself?

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Joe, I'm curious now. What do you think of my beliefs? I'd like to know, if you would say. ^-^

[quoteost_uid0="Roll"]Joe, I'm curious now. What do you think of my beliefs? I'd like to know, if you would say. ^-^[/quote]
It makes sense....to an extent. Let's pretend that just for this example, I believe in the Shinto religion. I really don't, but let's just say that I do, just for the example.

So what you are saying is that in vx unicom's universe, his god, heaven and hell exist, and when he dies, he will go to either his heaven or his hell, depending on his god's beliefs. At the same time, in my universe, there is no heaven, hell or god, and when I die, my spirit becomes reincarnated into a different life form.

That makes sense, but there is a problem with it. You see, according to vx unicom's universe, anyone who doesn't believe in god will go to hell. Now naturally, that would mean that in his universe, I will go to his hell after I die. However, in MY universe, my body will decay, and my chi will be reincarnated in the form of a different animal or person. By the same respect, in my universe, when vx unicom dies, his body will decay and chi reincarnated, but in his universe he will go to heaven.

The problem is that my energy cannot be in both his hell and in the body of another animal or human. Therefore, a contradiction.

That would be the error in your belief. The fact that there has to be one or the other, and not everything at once. Granted, it's nice that your beliefs would try to find a place for everyone and their own beliefs, but when all is said and done, I don't think it would work out that way. For all I know, I could be wrong and there could be a god, and I could go to hell. Or, for all vx unicom knows, there is no heaven or hell or god, and when he dies, he dies, and that's the end of it. Or, for all either ofus know, we could both be wrong, and end up going down to the underworld to spend all eternity with Ereshkigal and Nergal, the gods of the Mesopotamian underworld. Or we could be reincarnated into the bodies of a butterfly or koala bear.

Whichever the case, all I know is that science offers PROOF, and some of this proof has proven that parts of the bible are wrong. The fact that people will disregard this and say that science is wrong, even though science is right, is ridiculous.

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Yes.. but from my point of view, everyone has their own universe, their own dimension, their own point of view. Since no one has the same thoughts, views, or opinions, they must have different dimensions and a different universe to hold it all in. Which makes all of that possible... or so I think. Either way, I like to hold fast to that rather than believe everything can and must be proven or that everyone must just believe what they are told.