Street fighter vs. dragon ball(not counting gt.... - Or anything contradtcing the manga)

[TarkanX]

high in the atmosphere, in the sky

Gill could just use his temperature skills to freeze, or burn the Z cast.

So he DOES have evil in his heart, and therefore can indeed be controlled with Babidi's power or crippled with Goku's Genki Dama (given the proper amount of time)

Not necessarily, though he does things that people would call bad, he only does it to get his point through. Goku does things bad which is fighting, Gill does the same, is Goku good, yes, is Gill good, yes, and I doubt Babidi could control Gill.

All SF characters would be killed by the DBZ characters, and the surviving DBZ characters would be killed by Gill except...

Muten Roshi. He is immortal, he cannot die. Therefore, no matter what happens, Gill and Roshi would remain. Sure, Gill has more power than Roshi, but since Roshi can't DIE, and Gill can't DIE, it would end up as a draw

Kamesennin went with the others after Buu destroyed the earth(for whatever reason), Though they are immortal, Gill can still KO Kamesennin, or burn off his skin, or whatever.... So Gill would still win.

Akuma or Gouki has the Symbol of immortaliy marked on his back.Is Akuma immortal?This could explain how he was able to perform the "Raging Demon" so many times with out death to himself. If he is then Gill and him could also could defeat the DBZ fighters.

I doubt he's immortal, notice the grey/white streaks on his hair.

no he's not immortal, he's just powerful, that immortal sign thing is suppose to look cool

He has it at birth, not to look cool, only the people that have Satsui No Hadou have those kind of signs.

Gouken- nothingness

Akuma- Beyond human

Ryu- Destruction

Goutetsu- not known

What? Being in there twice means nothing, you can go in as many times as you want.

No you can't, only for 48 hours.

Yes! That slipped my mind! Popo is also immortal, and cannot die. Therefore, that would leave two immortals on DBZ's side and one on SF's side. Although Gill has more POWER than Roshi and Popo, he still can't kill them.

Popo can't do ####... what can he do? Wine all over the place that he's about to get the living #### beat out of him?

If you wanna do it that way...then I guess DBZ still wins, 2-1

no, even with their immortality, Gill can still KO them.

[Gotenks13]

I still haven't gotten my list of DBZ fighters and who on the SF team they would beat.

no, even with their immortality, Gill can still KO them.

If all we were talking about was KOing, I think that DBZ would still win. There are more than enough Super Saiyans to wear out, and eventually KO Gill. Gohan has/had his Mystic form, then there are SSJ1, SSJ2, and SSJ3. And don't forget about fusions :buttrock:. I'm sure I've heard you say that SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Goku, and Veggeto can move the speed of light.

[Nantuko Joe]

Tarkan's back. Finally, some REAL debating...

No you can't, only for 48 hours.

You can only be in there for 48-hour increments. However, after the 48 hours ends, you can go back in for another 48 hours, then that ends and another, and so on and so forth. There's a limit to how much time you can spend in there, not how many times you can enter there

Popo can't do ####... what can he do? Wine all over the place that he's about to get the living #### beat out of him?

Probably, but he still would not DIE. Therefore, Gill would not be able to KILL him, and it would end as a draw

no, even with their immortality, Gill can still KO them.

We need to decide what they have to do to win this fight: kill or merely KO. If it's only KO, then everyone (including myself and Tarkan) can stop with the "immortal, won't die" thing, because I'm pretty sure Gill can be knocked unconscious. In that case, it's anyone's game, because I'm pretty sure everyone but Gill would be KOd (if not killed) by the Z fighters, while GIll would KO many DBZ fighters. Therefore, it's a throw-up

However, if it's kill, then I say it's a draw, because there are two immortals on DBZ side and one on SF side.

[TarkanX]

If all we were talking about was KOing, I think that DBZ would still win. There are more than enough Super Saiyans to wear out, and eventually KO Gill. Gohan has/had his Mystic form, then there are SSJ1, SSJ2, and SSJ3. And don't forget about fusions . I'm sure I've heard you say that SSJ3 Gotenks, SSJ3 Goku, and Veggeto can move the speed of light.

there were many SSJ's, but they couldn't take down Cell(not including SSJ2 Gohan), same goes for Gill, and no one can move at the speed of light, Joe proved it, the closest is SSJ2 Vegetto though.

You can only be in there for 48-hour increments. However, after the 48 hours ends, you can go back in for another 48 hours, then that ends and another, and so on and so forth. There's a limit to how much time you can spend in there, not how many times you can enter there

hmm... that explains when Goku and Gohan couldve been there for more time(they had 3 months remaining), and then couldve gone in again, even though Goku went in their as a kid. But Goku and Gohan went out because they reached the maximum potential of a SSJ.

Probably, but he still would not DIE. Therefore, Gill would not be able to KILL him, and it would end as a draw

He can still KO Popo, or burn off his skin or whatever.

We need to decide what they have to do to win this fight: kill or merely KO. If it's only KO, then everyone (including myself and Tarkan) can stop with the "immortal, won't die" thing, because I'm pretty sure Gill can be knocked unconscious. In that case, it's anyone's game, because I'm pretty sure everyone but Gill would be KOd (if not killed) by the Z fighters, while GIll would KO many DBZ fighters. Therefore, it's a throw-up

Yeah, he can be KOed

*heals himself using some of resurections powers*

he comes back for more

However, if it's kill, then I say it's a draw, because there are two immortals on DBZ side and one on SF side.

2 weak immortals(not saying Kamesennin is weak, but hes not as powerful compared to the Z fighters) vs. an immortal with godly powers. It obvious Gill wins.

[princevegetam]

yes, gill's immortality helps him win the the end. and sf win with 100% credit going to gill.

[Gotenks13]

Yeah, he can be KOed

*heals himself using some of resurections powers*

he comes back for more

I doubt that even Gill could heal himself when KOed.

And as for Joe, are you saing that when Tarkan was gone, no one here could debate with you? Huh? Huh? I thought I knew you Joe, but obviosly, I don't...*sniff**sniff*...

[Nantuko Joe]

In this case, we can disregard Gill's immortality as an advantage, because being immortal means jack #### if we're just talking about KOs. In this case, I'm pretty sure that Gill can be KOd by either SSJ3 Gotenks or SSJ2 Vegetto. Sure, Gill could come close to KILLING either of them, but since the DBZ fighters would eliminate all other SF fighters without a tremendous amount of trouble (except for Akuma's Shun Goku Satsu), I'm pretty sure that Gill could be teamed against for the KO

[TarkanX]

yes, gill's immortality helps him win the the end. and sf win with 100% credit going to gill.

Twelve is also a good candidate, he can change into the opponent, copying all the opponents attacks, except mystic attacks like Shun Goku Satsu, etc... Twelve is just like Buu, imagine Buu, hardly takes damage.

I doubt that even Gill could heal himself when KOed.

Play SF3, fight against Gill, KO him when his super bar is at max, though that si game play, he can do the same for the storyline.

In this case, I'm pretty sure that Gill can be KOd by either SSJ3 Gotenks or SSJ2 Vegetto. Sure, Gill could come close to KILLING either of them, but since the DBZ fighters would eliminate all other SF fighters without a tremendous amount of trouble (except for Akuma's Shun Goku Satsu), I'm pretty sure that Gill could be teamed against for the KO

Yeah, almost all the SF characters would be quickly eliminated while the Z characters are hardly using any of their powers. But More than one SF can hold of the DB"Z" characters

Gill(of course)
Shin Akuma
Charlie(maybe)
Dhalsim
Gen(maybe)
Shin Bison
Oro
Twelve
Urien(though most likely not)


Anyways, I'd like to point out. In DB"Z", skill doesn't matter in a fight, it's always power level, and speed. There was never a time in DB"Z" where someone used skill to beat the other person.

In SF, it's all skill, fighting potential does count, but it's mainly skill that determines the fight, that's why Zangief can't beat Ryu. He's physically stronger, but Ryu has more skill, and fighting potential.

[Dan Hibiki]

A note on Vegetto: Vegetto never goes Super Saiyajin 2. He only powers up to Super Saiyajin. My only guess is that Vegetto realized that he didn't need to go further, because it is evident in the Super Buu battle that Vegetto absolutely owned Super Buu.

On the note of the Room of Spirit and Time: you can only be in there for a total of 48 hours in your lifetime. Goku spent a bit in the room when he was a child, and spent less than a year the second time. My argument for this, though, is that Vegeta is told by Piccolo that he can't spend all that time in the RoSaT before the Cell Games or the door'd disappear. If it were a technicality that he had to come out and go back in, Piccolo would've told him.

Anybody with a good deal of evil in their heart absolutely gets owned by Akuma (or Shin Akuma, same guy, just giving a damn). Shun Goku Satsu! Free ticket to Hell. You also have to consider Akuma's invincible teleport. He could just teleport all over the place and nail them in the back with the Shun Goku Satsu.

I further think that Akuma is immortal in the sense that old age can't kill him. Look at Muten Roshi, the wrinkled and bald immortal showing his age, for instance... just 'cuz you're immortal doesn't mean you can't show your age at all. Also, the world of Street Fighter is one where sheer determination and training can let a person endure deep sea pressures and need no air for hours on end, and sink an island with a single powerful chop (both Akuma, see SFIII:3S Akuma ending and SFA2 official story respectively). I hardly think Akuma being immortal against natural death is a stretch in this case.

On Gill: yep, Gill can revive himself. "RESURRECTION!" he just gets up and poof! There's his health bar again! And also Gill could take out any DBZ fighter with his insanely powerful and all-reaching Seraphic Wing attack. There's no escaping it, you can block it, yes, but it is the power of a God on Earth... there's no denying Gill.

[Nantuko Joe]

Twelve is also a good candidate, he can change into the opponent, copying all the opponents attacks, except mystic attacks like Shun Goku Satsu, etc... Twelve is just like Buu, imagine Buu, hardly takes damage.

please define "mystic attacks". Can he gain the ability to form a Genki Dama or go SSJ? And just as Buu was eventually defeated, so could 12

Play SF3, fight against Gill, KO him when his super bar is at max, though that si game play, he can do the same for the storyline.

Yes, however, in real life, there's no "super bar" at the bottom of the screen. In real life, there would need to be some kind of measure of "super bar power" or something.

Anyways, I'd like to point out. In DB"Z", skill doesn't matter in a fight, it's always power level, and speed. There was never a time in DB"Z" where someone used skill to beat the other person.

Piccolo fused with Nail vs. Furiza Form 2. Although Furiza was physically more powerful than Piccolo, Piccolo was more agile, and also was more intelligent and had a more cunning fighting style. That is why Furiza had to transform to beat him.

Yes, it is true that power levels do account for like 90% of the fighting in DBZ, but fighting style also counts for something.

In SF, it's all skill, fighting potential does count, but it's mainly skill that determines the fight, that's why Zangief can't beat Ryu. He's physically stronger, but Ryu has more skill, and fighting potential.

However, it's also because of Zangief's bulk that he's also very slow as compared to Ryu. Ryu, being smaller and more compact, is more agile. It's kind of like this:

Ryu=Perfect Cell
Zangief=USSJ Trunks

like in DBZ, USSJ Trunks was stronger than Cell, but wasn't as fast. That's why he couldn't hit him.

So speed and power also have something to do with Zangief losing against Ryu

On the note of the Room of Spirit and Time: you can only be in there for a total of 48 hours in your lifetime. Goku spent a bit in the room when he was a child, and spent less than a year the second time. My argument for this, though, is that Vegeta is told by Piccolo that he can't spend all that time in the RoSaT before the Cell Games or the door'd disappear. If it were a technicality that he had to come out and go back in, Piccolo would've told him.

The door only disappears if you stay inside for more than 48 hours STRAIGHT. Remember when Goku and Gohan were training for the Cell Games, they went in for two days, and came out, and Goku said that they could have gone back inside to train more, but wanted to spend more time on earth. However, in one's lifetime, they can train as long as they want in the ROSAT, provided that it doesn't exceed 48 hours straight. They CAN INDEED simply exit and go back in again.

Anybody with a good deal of evil in their heart absolutely gets owned by Akuma (or Shin Akuma, same guy, just giving a damn). Shun Goku Satsu! Free ticket to Hell. You also have to consider Akuma's invincible teleport. He could just teleport all over the place and nail them in the back with the Shun Goku Satsu.

[colo=green]I've already defended DBZ against the SHun Goku Satsu attack, you're going to have to go back a few pages and read up on it.

And as far as his teleport goes: this IS a fight, right? That's like saying "Goku won't have to fight, he'll just SHunkan Idou all over the place and Kamehameha him in the back".

And according to you, the SHun Goku Satsu works only if there is evil in the opponent. None of the Z fighters are evil. Therefore, you just dug youself into a hole and can't get back out. According to what you said, the Shun Goku Satsu is innafective against the Z fighters[/color]

I further think that Akuma is immortal in the sense that old age can't kill him. Look at Muten Roshi, the wrinkled and bald immortal showing his age, for instance... just 'cuz you're immortal doesn't mean you can't show your age at all. Also, the world of Street Fighter is one where sheer determination and training can let a person endure deep sea pressures and need no air for hours on end, and sink an island with a single powerful chop (both Akuma, see SFIII:3S Akuma ending and SFA2 official story respectively). I hardly think Akuma being immortal against natural death is a stretch in this case.

Natural death simply means dying of old age. Your bodily functions and internal organs just become so old that they can't function anymore. That's just what "dying of natural causes" means. If he gets shot through the heart, he'll die.

In DBZ, the word "immortal" simply means "you can't die, you can't be killed, you can't go to the afterlife". In real life and in most other literary works, "immortal" simply means "you can't die unless you are killed by someone or something else".

On Gill: yep, Gill can revive himself. "RESURRECTION!" he just gets up and poof! There's his health bar again! And also Gill could take out any DBZ fighter with his insanely powerful and all-reaching Seraphic Wing attack. There's no escaping it, you can block it, yes, but it is the power of a God on Earth... there's no denying Gill.

Like I said, in real life there's no "super bar" or "health bar".

And KO means "knocked out", as in "knocked unconscious". "Unconscious" is like being dead, except your body is still alive. While unconscious, you can't dream or think.

Therefore, if one is knocked unconscious, they can only "wake up" via a long time or the intervention of someone else to help (smelling salts, water in the face).

Therefore, if Gill is KOd (ie, unconscious), then he wont' be able to use his powers to revive himself.