What are all the levels of super saiyan? - What are all the levels of super saiyan?

[Dan Hibiki]

[quoteost_uid0="SSJKarma"]Dan, Nantuko...
as you probably know, Dragonball has been sold to someone else, so that MAKE THE NEW CREATOR the original creator. so SSJ4 is OFFICIAL cause akira isn't the official creator anymore.[/quote]
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Did Akira make it in the first place?? YES HE DID! THAT MAKES HIM THE ORIGINAL CREATOR, AND HE SHALL ALWAYS BE THE ORIGINAL CREATOR!

[Nantuko Joe]

Listen, this is what I'm saying.

Because the series Dragonball and Dragonball Z were based on a manga, they were official. Toriyama wrote this manga, and then created an anime series based upon it.

Now, these corporates came along and made a new cartoon based on Dragonball Z, and released it to the public.

However, no one ever wrote a set of manga volumes that pertains to GT. It was ANIME ONLY. Now, during the course of DBZ, there are many ANIME ONLY events that do not take place in the manga. Movies #1-13 and the Garlic Jr. Saga do not appear in any manga volume, and therefore never officially happened, for they are ANIME ONLY.

So basically, the entire GT series is one huge ANIME ONLY event. There is no manga. What GT is is a FAN-ANIME. In other words, fans of the show made up their own story and characters, and got it animated and broadcast on TV.

So if this were the case, and you guys are saying GT is official, that means that if I draw up a fan-manga and write my own fan-fiction and introduce it into the media mainstream, that this is offical, right?

Toriyama never SOLD the rights to TOEI to make GT.

Therefore, GT is not a valid, official series, and therefore, this SSJ4 form never happened.

IF, and I'm using IF just as an example, but If Toriyama were to draw up a new manga for a new DBZ series, I'm 99.9% sure that he would have it take place immediately after DBZ and not GT.

And the only reason this information is not getting through your thick skulls is because you guys are so determined to prove me and Dan wrong, and believe so much that you guys are the correct ones here, that you can't listen to reason.

[QUIET_KILLER]

[quoteost_uid3="Nantuko Joe"]Listen, this is what I'm saying.

Because the series Dragonball and Dragonball Z were based on a manga, they were official. Toriyama wrote this manga, and then created an anime series based upon it.

Now, these corporates came along and made a new cartoon based on Dragonball Z, and released it to the public.

However, no one ever wrote a set of manga volumes that pertains to GT. It was ANIME ONLY. Now, during the course of DBZ, there are many ANIME ONLY events that do not take place in the manga. Movies #1-13 and the Garlic Jr. Saga do not appear in any manga volume, and therefore never officially happened, for they are ANIME ONLY.

So basically, the entire GT series is one huge ANIME ONLY event. There is no manga. What GT is is a FAN-ANIME. In other words, fans of the show made up their own story and characters, and got it animated and broadcast on TV.

So if this were the case, and you guys are saying GT is official, that means that if I draw up a fan-manga and write my own fan-fiction and introduce it into the media mainstream, that this is offical, right?

Toriyama never SOLD the rights to TOEI to make GT.

Therefore, GT is not a valid, official series, and therefore, this SSJ4 form never happened.

[bost_uid3]IF[/bost_uid3], and I'm using IF just as an example, but If Toriyama were to draw up a new manga for a new DBZ series, I'm 99.9% sure that he would have it take place immediately after DBZ and not GT.

And the only reason this information is not getting through your thick skulls is because you guys are so determined to prove me and Dan wrong, and believe so much that you guys are the correct ones here, that you can't listen to reason.[/quoteost_uid3]
Wow huge accurate and D@ng true to the Bone also I have to admit I am wit my pal Joe here :withstupid: same for mista hibiki :withstupid: :biggrin:

[princevegetam]

i'm not trying to prove anyone wrong, it's the truth. you guys are depicting DBGT the same way as DBAF, which is not true. DBGT is not a fan anime. it was created by the same ppl who worked along side akira during the making of dbz. the only difference is that the one man, akira, didn't have anything to do with this (i'm talking about anime). akira got tired of making the db series, so he passed on the work to his colleagues. not fans.

[PARADISE-X]

[quoteost_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]Listen, this is what I'm saying.

Because the series Dragonball and Dragonball Z were based on a manga, they were official. Toriyama wrote this manga, and then created an anime series based upon it.

Now, these corporates came along and made a new cartoon based on Dragonball Z, and released it to the public.

However, no one ever wrote a set of manga volumes that pertains to GT. It was ANIME ONLY. Now, during the course of DBZ, there are many ANIME ONLY events that do not take place in the manga. Movies #1-13 and the Garlic Jr. Saga do not appear in any manga volume, and therefore never officially happened, for they are ANIME ONLY.

So basically, the entire GT series is one huge ANIME ONLY event. There is no manga. What GT is is a FAN-ANIME. In other words, fans of the show made up their own story and characters, and got it animated and broadcast on TV.

So if this were the case, and you guys are saying GT is official, that means that if I draw up a fan-manga and write my own fan-fiction and introduce it into the media mainstream, that this is offical, right?

Toriyama never SOLD the rights to TOEI to make GT.

Therefore, GT is not a valid, official series, and therefore, this SSJ4 form never happened.

IF, and I'm using IF just as an example, but If Toriyama were to draw up a new manga for a new DBZ series, I'm 99.9% sure that he would have it take place immediately after DBZ and not GT.

And the only reason this information is not getting through your thick skulls is because you guys are so determined to prove me and Dan wrong, and believe so much that you guys are the correct ones here, that you can't listen to reason.[/quote]
Answer me this question ...do u like the Gt series...If yes Y

[SSJKarma]

as loing as i am concern with it nantuko...

YOU CAN'T DENY THE FACT THAT GT EXIST
nor will you deny those #1-13 movies !
when they have done those Gundam universe, have you said that they weren't true because they didn't reattach to the real story ? no, why ? because they were made and they were real, so is GT. it has been made and if you ask toei, they will not refer to SAIYEN LEVEL 4, they will refer to SUPER saiyen level 4. now that is the real answer, the SSJ4 exist cause TOEI created it that way and if you ask they will refer to it as SSJ4.

now if you want to argue on that it is simply because you hate GT as much as i do !
i really love those movies on DBZ and i know they don't attach to the story but i know they are DBZ and they are REAL !

[princevegetam]

my points exactly.

[Yugi]

Now aren't you guys happy i made this so you guys could get all this out.

[Yugi]

karma about what you said about gundum and dbz that they arent true i got another anime series to talk about ZOIDS.
the second series ive seen is good but ive never seen the first episode of it. since all the old characters sre in it shouldn't it be a parrallel universe like g gundam?

[Nantuko Joe]

i'm not trying to prove anyone wrong, it's the truth. you guys are depicting DBGT the same way as DBAF, which is not true. DBGT is not a fan anime. it was created by the same ppl who worked along side akira during the making of dbz. the only difference is that the one man, akira, didn't have anything to do with this (i'm talking about anime). akira got tired of making the db series, so he passed on the work to his colleagues. not fans.

DBGT is simply a fan-anime that was created by a corporation and got the approval of a distressed Akira Toriyama simply because he was growing aggrivated of the ppl complaining to him to bring back DBGT.

And these are NOT the same ppl who worked alongside Toriyama, this is a totally different company.

Answer me this question ...do u like the Gt series...If yes Y

no.

as loing as i am concern with it nantuko...

YOU CAN'T DENY THE FACT THAT GT EXIST
nor will you deny those #1-13 movies !
when they have done those Gundam universe, have you said that they weren't true because they didn't reattach to the real story ? no, why ? because they were made and they were real, so is GT. it has been made and if you ask toei, they will not refer to SAIYEN LEVEL 4, they will refer to SUPER saiyen level 4. now that is the real answer, the SSJ4 exist cause TOEI created it that way and if you ask they will refer to it as SSJ4.

now if you want to argue on that it is simply because you hate GT as much as i do !
i really love those movies on DBZ and i know they don't attach to the story but i know they are DBZ and they are REAL !

<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>Sighs and massages forehead headache in frustration</span>

Not once, Karma, not once did I say taht they didn't EXIST. Of course they EXIST, they are written on paper, they are on video tapes across the world. I never said that GT didn't EXIST. I said that events in GT didn't officially OCCUR. What I am trying to say is that they DID NOT OFFICIALLY HAPPEN IN THE DRAGONBALL HISTORY. If you go through every single movie, you will be able to find at least one reason why the movie couldn't have happened in the DBZ timeline. And I have one huge general fact that proves this.

Find me a time during either the manga or the anime when a character even mentions a character from the movies. Not once does Furiza mention his brother Kooler. Not once does anyone mention Garlic Jr., Dr. Wheelo, Tares, Lord Slug, Brolly, Janemba, Hiredugarn, or Bojack. Not once. The movies were created just to integrate new and potentially money-making characters into the DBZ genre. However, they do not fit into the DBZ timeline, and you therefore cannot say that they actually happened. They EXIST, but they did not OCCUR.

I do not know about Gundam Wing, because I do not watch the show. Sure, the events in the movies (and in this case, GT)occurred, but not in the official, respective timelines. They occurred in the movie timeline. Lemme tell you why the DBZ movies never could have happened:

Movie #1: Return My Gohan! (Deadzone). It could not have occurred because in the movie, Kuririn already knew who Gohan was. However, in the first episode of DBZ, when they all go to Kamesennin's island, Kuririn, Yamucha, and Buruma have no idea who Gohan was, and was surprised that he was Goku's son. Therfore, inconsistency prevents the events from actually occuring.

Movie #2: The World's Strongest Warrior. It could not have occurred because the only point in time where Goku and Piccolo were alive and Gohan was still a kid was during the training period preparing for the arrival of the androids. However, Goku was already able to go SSJ during this period of time, and surely would have used it during the movie. However, he does not, and the first mention of Goku going SSJ in a movie is during Movie #4.

Movie #3: Ultimate Decisive Battle for Earth (Tree of Might). It could not have happened for two reasons. Reason #1: Gohan had a tail in the movie. However, in the DBZ timeline, Gohan's tail was removed by Piccolo in the wilderness. Reason #2: Tares states Piccolo's power level at 18,000. When he was killed by Nappa, he had a power level of around 2,000. When he was wished back and absorbed Nail, his pl was around 800,000. Therefore, at no point in time does he have a pl of 18,000.

Movie #4: Super Saiya-jin Goku (Lord Slug). First off, Gohan appears with Haiya-dragon (Icarus) in the beginning of the movie. Now, since Movie #3 didn't exist, that means that Haiya-dragon doesn't exist. Since Haiya dragon doesn't exist, Movie #4 didn't occur. Also, Goku doesn't actually go SSJ in the movie.

Movie #5: The Best of Strongest Versus Strongest. In the movie, I believe Kooler finds out that Furiza was killed the day after it happens, and goes to earth to kill Goku. Kamesennin states that Goku returned from Namek even stronger than before (this must be false, because Goku didn't return from Namek for like 3 years.) Therefore, the movie couldn't have happened. Plus, there was never any mention of Kooler in the normal timeline, and Haiya-dragon appears in the movie, further disproving the movie's occurance.

Movie #6: Clash!! 10,000,000 Power Warriors!. Since the first Kooler Movie could not have occurred, a movie that features him is therefore proven untrue.

Movie #7: Utmost Limits of Battle! The three Super Saiya-jin. It is stated in the normal DBZ timeline that during DBZ, Dr. Gero only made five androids (#16, #17, #18, #19, and an android body for himself, and he became #20). The utter fact that the movie contains androids #13, #14, and #15 further disproves the movie's occurrance, because there was also no point in time where the movie could have occurred, because of Cell, Goku dying, etc.

Movie #8: Burnout! Fierce Fight, Violent Fight, Super-Exciting Fight! Once again, there was no point in time where Mirai no Trunks was in the present and Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan were able to all go SSJ when Cell was not present and Goku was still alive.

Movie #9: The Galaxy's in Danger! The Super-Awesome Guy!. The makers of this movie tried real hard to fit this into the timeline, but made a mistake. In the timeline, Mirai no Trunks left the morning after Cell was killed. But he is still alive in the movie, which could not have taken place the next day.

Movie #10: Dangerous Partners! Super-Warriors never rest!. This could not have occurred because the first Brolly movie could not have happened. Since Brolly was introduced in teh first movie, he could not have existed in a second.

Movie #11: Crushing Super-Warrior! I Am The Winner!. A third Brolly movie cannot occur when the first two could not have occured.

Movie #12: The Rebirth of Fusion! Goku and Vegeta! There was no point in time where both Goku and Vegeta were dead and not only in the afterlife, but not preoccupied with Buu.

Movie #13: Dragon Fist Explosion! If Goku Can't, Who Can?. Could not have occurred because I believe in the movie, Gohan went SSJ, but this could not have happened because during the Buu Saga, the Rou Dai Kaioshin told Gohan that by maxing out his potential power, he could not go SSj anymore.

Now, that takes care of why the movies could not have occurred. They still exist, they're still physical matter, but the events in the movies could not have offically, truly occurred. Now GT still EXISTS physically, but didn't truly OCCUR. We know this because there is no manga volumes for what happened in GT. Toriyama created Dragonball, but not GT. Therefore, GT didn't officially OCCUR in the Dragonball time line.

it has been made and if you ask toei, they will not refer to SAIYEN LEVEL 4, they will refer to SUPER saiyen level 4.

First off, it's Super Level 4, not Saiya-jin Level 4. And if I made a Super Saiya-jin 5.9784 1/2 in a fan-fiction, and then made a cartoon out of it, does that mean that it actually happened in the DBZ timeline? Sure, the creators will refer to it however they please, but that doesn't mean that it actually, officially occurred.