Hypocrips - Yeah christian

[alamgir]

[quoteost_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]But if you don't... umm.. let's say LET YOURSELF GET SHOT IN THE HEAD, you shouldn't feel bad because it was god's intentions, right?[/quote]
Firstly I wouldn't feel cos i'd be dead right?

Secondly, I would try to evade the bullet, if I manage to succeed its because of god's will, if I die its because of god's will. Predestination is a difficult concept to understand, but I believe we don't know what's planned for us so we do have our own free will.

Look just to let u know, many people dont know whether they'll go to heaven when they die and think doing good deeds will get u there. Well thats wrong. In the Bible, John 3:16-18 and Romans 10:9-10 says that if youwant to be saved, then u must repent of your sins, truly believe in Jesus with all your heart and accept Him as your personal Saviour. Ephesians 2:8-9 tells how good works wont do it for u.

[Shingko]

why are you basing this off a radio station. do you think all christians are like that all because only one church did that? there are MILLIONS of christian churches around the world and you're basing off one incidence! plus it happened in UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

you need some critical thinking.

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

[quoteost_uid0="Shingko"]why are you basing this off a radio station. do you think all christians are like that all because only one church did that? there are MILLIONS of christian churches around the world and you're basing off one incidence! plus it happened in UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

you need some critical thinking.[/quote]
exactly what i was sayin in my post

[~Mastermax~]

shut the hell up you anti-semetic bastard!

for starters you not only qouted the passion of the christ which is a fictional movie made by an anti-semetic nazi who wanted the jews to look like demons just to reverse a century of relations between christians and jews.

and you said that we jews saw jesus as a prophacy, which is completely false.

in the time of roman oppresion in isreal, the jews were waiting for the messiah to come becuase they thought this was the time he would come. there were hundreds of crucifixitions everyday and jews were treated as dogs to the romans. many people were thought to be the saviour until they would be killed, which the messiah would not be killed. Jesus was just a man who was trying to cause changes in the jewish faith by creating a less orthadox sect. obviously this would not be appreciated so when the romans were getting people to crucify that day he was given up by the jews with no fight whatsoever, becuase if they did try to fight they would be destroyed by the romans army. so jesus was just another man who died on a cross with thousands of other heretics to the roman religion.


fifty years later jesus' followers decided that the messiah was supposed to die for the "sins" of their jewish brothers. thus christianity was born. when the roman empire fell the christians were able to sell their religion to the romans by warping the bible to make it look like the jews were the ones who killed jesus and it wasn't the romans fualt.


that last paragraph is what the last pope said when announcing that the jews weren't to blame for jesus' death.


if you want me to really make you feel bad i could go into what really happened during the crusades...

[Virtual Fighter]

[quoteost_uid0="MEGA_DRACOS_XRL"][quoteost_uid0="SSJKarma"]you know guys... religion around here is considered "almost" illegal !

for those few reasons...

1 - always ended up in big bad flaming about how one shouldn't try and change the others !
2 - Always end up people flaing for being morons because they beleive in something.
3 - Always is bad in itself for debate !

anyway hope this doesn't end up bad... but i suggest you guys stay put... i for one won't talk much in here for my vision is a lot more prcise then wat i read up to now.... in any case gho on with it if ya must... but i warn you... this is pretty touchy a subject.[/quote]
yeah but i don't know exactly how this thing involved these debates i wuz just talking about that in the topic starter and it just raged from there!!! wish twe could end the fuel between all the relegions and could be friends, but sum people don't want that[/quote]
Don't give us this bullpoop. Don't piss on our heads and call it rain.

If you were to even SOMEWHAT follow your own philosophy, you wouldn't have acted like a fool or been such a (to quote mastermax) an anti-semetic bastard.

I bring up the point again, it's not those people who were hypocrites, even though they probably are, it's you who follows a religion who preaches good will twords men, even though you obviously don't show good will twords basically anyone, especially those with a different religion than you.

[~Mastermax~]

virchy for el presidente

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

[quoteost_uid0="~Mastermax~"]shut the hell up you anti-semetic bastard!

for starters you not only qouted the passion of the christ which is a fictional movie made by an anti-semetic nazi who wanted the jews to look like demons just to reverse a century of relations between christians and jews.

and you said that we jews saw jesus as a prophacy, which is completely false.

in the time of roman oppresion in isreal, the jews were waiting for the messiah to come becuase they thought this was the time he would come. there were hundreds of crucifixitions everyday and jews were treated as dogs to the romans. many people were thought to be the saviour until they would be killed, which the messiah would not be killed. Jesus was just a man who was trying to cause changes in the jewish faith by creating a less orthadox sect. obviously this would not be appreciated so when the romans were getting people to crucify that day he was given up by the jews with no fight whatsoever, becuase if they did try to fight they would be destroyed by the romans army. so jesus was just another man who died on a cross with thousands of other heretics to the roman religion.


fifty years later jesus' followers decided that the messiah was supposed to die for the "sins" of their jewish brothers. thus christianity was born. when the roman empire fell the christians were able to sell their religion to the romans by warping the bible to make it look like the jews were the ones who killed jesus and it wasn't the romans fualt.


that last paragraph is what the last pope said when announcing that the jews weren't to blame for jesus' death.


if you want me to really make you feel bad i could go into what really happened during the crusades...[/quote]
man just go ahead that was interesting

[Angel-Eyes]

[quoteost_uid0="~Mastermax~"]so jesus was just another man who died on a cross with thousands of other heretics to the roman religion.


fifty years later jesus' followers decided that the messiah was supposed to die for the "sins" of their jewish brothers. thus christianity was born. when the roman empire fell the christians were able to sell their religion to the romans by warping the bible to make it look like the jews were the ones who killed jesus and it wasn't the romans fualt.


that last paragraph is what the last pope said when announcing that the jews weren't to blame for jesus' death.


if you want me to really make you feel bad i could go into what really happened during the crusades...[/quote]
ok let me help:


jews were gettin killed left and right by the romans, they knew the messiah was going to come to re establish the throne from prophesy....so when Jesus came all the jews were like: "yeehaw, man were finally gonna get rid of these romans!"

woo hoo

ok then Jesus starts talking about how he needs to die to pay the penalty for the worlds sins to save them.

this doesnt set well with the jews, they were all excited about getting rid of the roman supression....so they're kinda upset with jesus for wasting their time.

then the pharesies n' such arrest him, the jewish population is more than happy to see this guy crucified for preaching to them for a year and then not overthrowing the romans. they wanted a revolution, and they didnt get it.

so they killed him.....
true, the jews were the ones that said "crucify him"
true, the roman sodiers were the ones who beat and killed him.

but in the end everone has to blame themselves for his death.



there was no "50 years later"
after he died, his apostles started witnessing and spreading the word that he rose from the dead and why he really died instead of becoming king.


as for the history of rome and christianity this is how it really went down:


im not gonna use accurate emperor names cause im too lazy to look them up.

k, the gospel gets to rome, christians there get persecuted and thrown to lions and stuff.

out of the blue one of the emperors "sees a vision", clames hes been "converted" to christianity, and banns the persecution of christians in the roman empire.


then another emperor comes along and makes it the main religion. (sorry, just goin of memory alone)

as for warping the Bible:
the romans did plenty of that....."the pope" is a fine example.

[Virtual Fighter]

And ofcourse kester knows more about religion than 1000 yeras of roman catholecism.