Street fighter vs. dragon ball(not counting gt.... - Or anything contradtcing the manga)

[weezer]

dragonballz vs street fighter.....pfft......they're just rumors.....its pure stupidity.....what is it going to be? another fake show like dbgt or a game? Every dbz game on ps sucked major ass unlike the sf games........the only good dbz games were the rpgs on snes.....

[SBYRD5]

[quoteost_uid6="weezer"]dragonballz vs street fighter.....pfft......they're just rumors.....its pure stupidity.....what is it going to be? another fake show like dbgt or a game? Every dbz game on ps sucked major ass unlike the sf games........the only good dbz games were the rpgs on snes.....[/quoteost_uid6]
Sorry but unless your talking about the new "Chicken Whooper"
Your wrong Brother!!! The rpg on snes was good, But there are two more good ones= 1)"Dragon Ball Z Unlimited" and 2)Dragon Ball Final Bout"
Oh and it's Dragon Ball vs Street Fighter.

[SSJKarma]

it would be fun to make a game in mugen and call it that way !

Dragonball Z VS Street Fighters

it could be done easily.
i mean all the techs are very similar.

think ill try, it'll give me something to do !

[TarkanX]

Tarkan X your a good guy so I'm not going to kill your theories but Goku has used Keio-Ken while Super Sayian it was level one it was when he was dead. Darn your right he was dead when he used it never mine...

The fight with Goku and Paikuhan(Pikkon in dub) never happened, it's not in the manga so it's filler.

genki dama (spirit bomb) can only kill BAD people, remember when gohan rebound it on vegeta cause he was good and goku saying that the spirit bomb wouldn't kill him !

Yes this is true.

next, roll your wrong, in a fight noe can be dumb cause if it was so you could be beaten even by mr. satan...(who can actually disappear from the humain eye's

Mr. Satan can't disappear, he goes as fast as a normal human would except BARELY faster. The part where they showed Mr. Satan beating Supopobitch in the tenkaichi Bodoukai(flash back) isn't seen in the manga. Mr. Satan just says he beat Supopobitchi.

third, the only reason why SF couldn't have any chance is in the fact they DONT use enegy the same way has DBZ chars

You don't need huge blasts to win, and like I said before some SF characters would beat the DB"Z" characters.

example:
goku can go even faster than anyone else ! bull#### he's using enegy to go at that speed !
vegeta has his final flash ! bull####, he's using energy to do it !

final flash is really strong, strong enough to destroy the earth, and By the time Dragon Ball "Z" ends(after the Buu saga), Goku can travel faster than the speed of light.

think of it that way, without any energy, DB chars and SF could put a great fight together cause in that case, only the best man could win and surely no one can ever know who could win cause NO movie or manga or even game has been made for that purpose !

There hasn't been a cross-over between SF and DB, we can only use the SF games, and DB manga as facts. We can also use the capcom company, and Akira Toriyama as facts.

if you count energy then DB is simply to strong for SF cause SF use energy to their attack and has unlimited energy to do so (in games) but DBZ has limited energy and they se it to do practily what ever they want from increasing their speed to increasing the might to increasy blast density and blast power. they are just not comparable !

Yes your right, but Gill has unlimited energy when doing his power, fire and ice, he doesn't have to use an inch of his power to use these techniques.

for the Power Levels, dont even think of saying that goku was at 300 millions cause no one know except if you asked akira toriyama cause after the freeza saga no one ever used a scouter ! except when freeza said HE was over a million on his 2nd form, after that it is just not possible to tell Power Level !

I know Goku wasn't at 300 million, I was giving examples. And I proved that at least one DB character is over 100 million, and even over one billion. And The last PL given was when Trunks was read at 5.

roll: if anyone who was killed by freeza were wished back, why does the planet vegeta didn't came back ?

dendy did tell that the dragon isn't bound by any dimension or any TIME !

You have to be dead within a year for it to work. If your dead for 2 years, and try to get wished back, then your dead forever unless something dramatic happened like when rou dai kaioshin gave his life to Goku's.

TarkanX: gohan didn't goe's to SSJ2 until fighting cell (no one ever knew if he had before) the only thing goku knew is that gohan would over pass his limit if he were cornered and had no other choices but going thru !(remember he even doubted gohan after a while cause he THOUGHT gohan could be stronger than him)

Gohan did go SSJ2 in the time room, but only for a short while, even though this wasn't seen, Goku hints that "Gohan went into a new level of unimaginable power". Goku knew he was going to lose against Cell, but Goku didn't know Cell wasn't using his max power when they fought. And goku doesn't care if Gohan passed him, this is proven when Gohan got the power up unleashing all his potential, and Goku says to Gohan, "good luck".

for the tail regrown thing, it is true that it regrown after a while but only little gohan had that chance

Goku when he was little also regrew his tail, then it was permanently removen.

example:
when training with piccolo first piccolo letted him live 6 month but in the full moon he transformed into oozaru then piccolo blow the moon and cut the tail of gohan but when fighting again 7 month later when the ship of goku (and it is goku's spacepod) called goku but caught gohan and forced him to transform by recreating a moon (gohan at that time had regrowned his tail)

That moon was fake, Gohan's tail was cut off by Piccolo, and Piccolo destroyed the ship which showed the mirage(sp?) of the moon.

agree with tarkan, GT SUCKS, not the same creator so not the same thought so the serie gets biazed !

The company that created GT was Toei.

dragonballz vs street fighter.....pfft......they're just rumors.....its pure stupidity.....what is it going to be? another fake show like dbgt or a game? Every dbz game on ps sucked major ass unlike the sf games........the only good dbz games were the rpgs on snes.....

Yeah it's pretty stupid, DB games have gotten bad reviews, and mixing a bad game with a legendary game creates chaos.

[SBYRD5]

O.K. "Final Bout"
The Graphics are good But the buttons are hard to remeber
Because it's not english. ???

[Nantuko Joe]

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Goku's Shukan Idou (ie. Instantaneous Movement, Instant Transmission) does not move at the speed of light. The Shukan Idou is "instant", as in the precise moment he disappears, he immediately appears exactly where he wanted to go. Light takes about 8 minutes to reach earth from the sun. However, if there was a person on the sun, then Goku could teleport to him immediately.

Goku wouldn't survive the suns heat, and goku teleports, he doesn't disappear, he instantly transports from one place to another. But other than that, it's all true.

What I meant by "disappear" was when the ppl around him no longer see him. I did not mean to imply that he can cloak so no one can see him.

yes mystic Gohan is gohan with all his power, he cant get any higher than that. And Mystic isn't a form, it's just Gohan with all his power.

I'm not sure if it says it in the manga, but in the anime the Rou Dai Kaioshin says that Mystic would allow Gohan to surpass his limits. Therefore, he's using more than his max power

LMAO, you are still using planet nameks power levels. The Androids PL's from the present time is over 100 million, I'll tell you why.

When in the future, SSJ Trunks fought non-SSJ Gohan with only one arm. SSJ Trunks was sweating like mad, and non-SSJ Gohan was toying with SSJ Trunks. I assume SSJ Trunks is at the same PL as Goku, so lets just say SSJ Goku was at 15 million for the sake of it.

SSJ Trunks: 15 million
non-SSJ Gohan with one arm: 30 million

Gohan then goes to fight android 17, Gohan turns SSJ, and android 17 is only using 50% of is power against Gohan. Now lets say SSJ increases your power by 3x, even though it doesn't. By the way android 17 had an edge, but not by much.

SSJ Gohan with one arm: 90 million
Anroid 17: 95 million


Gohan then trains for a little while, then fights android 17 again, android 17 said he was only using half of his power against Gohan when they fought before, Gohan gets shocked and android 17 kills him.

SSJ Gohan with one arm: 100 million
Anroid 17: 190 million


Now the Androids from the present are twice as strong, yes twice as strong, so:

Android 17: 380 million
Android 18: 360 million

It was stated that android 18 was a bit weaker than 17.

This is all from the manga.

Where does it say that the Androids from the present are twice as strong as the ones from the future? Here's how I see it:

The Androids from the present are the same power as the ones from the future. Now, we can't say that Trunks is as powerful as Goku, because Gohan keeps saying during the Trunks Special that he wishes his father was there, because then they could beat the androids. Either way, we have to start off back in the eps. when Furiza and King Kold came to earth.

Furiza = around 25,000,000 (he received a power-up from the cyborg parts, and prolly trained on his way to earth)
King Kold = around 30,000,000 (Tenshinhan said he felt Furiza's ki, but also another more powerful ki)

Now, when Trunks arrived, he easily took out Furiza and King Kold. Therefore:

Trunks = around 35,000,000

Remember how Trunks tried to hit Goku with his sword, but Goku merely deflected it? That would mean that Goku had a higher pl than trunks, therefore making it

Goku = around 40,000,000

Now, let's go back to Trunks Future. If Trunks is around 35,000,000, then Gohan would be around 60-65 million. Now, if you watch the Special, you would see signs that Gohan is stronger than either of the Androids and could take the both if it was one-on-one battle. However, the Androids fight together, which is why Gohan dies. Therefore,

Gohan = around 65,000,000
Android 17 = around 60,000,000 (because he's prolly weaker than Gohan all by himself)
Android 18 = around 55,000,000(because it states that 18 is a little weaker than 17.

That sounds a little more reasonable to me, in terms of power levels growth-wise. After all, it does not seem possible that Vegeta, who was killed by Furiza (who only has a pl of less than 12 million at the time), could come back and train enough to make mincemeat out of a being even stronger than the androids if they were at over 300 million (rememeber, he pounds on Imperfect Cell for a period of time).

It also wouldn't make sense that a HUMAN (tenshinhan) could hold off a being with a power level of over 300 million, nonetheless hold off Imperfect Cell for a very long time. To me, my levels sound more reasonable.

Post the list, and no I'm not saying that, I didn't even say that! damn....

Do you really want me to? I can do it right now if you'd like

Well probably a few minutes after, but it didn't say 5 minutes.

You know what I mean...I'm just saying that as an example...I didn't mean it was stated that it was 5 min

Name some SF special/super that could take out a powerful DBZ character using a special/super of his/her own.

I already did:

Gill
Akuma
Shin Bison
Oro
Twelve
Evil Ryu(maybe)

No, no no! I mean as if their attacks are going up against each other, (ie. Goku's Kame Hame Ha versus Vegeta's Gallic Hou during the Saiya-jin saga).

Goku can't survive the lava, the thing where freiza knocks Goku in the lava never happened.

That didn't happen in the manga?

Oro can fly too

No, what I'm saying is "what good is it to drop someone who can fly out of the sky? If that's the atack -- to pick someone up and drop them so they get hurt when they hit the ground -- then the Z Fighter he uses it against could simply fly away and not fall.

Kame-sennin whished himself to not age anymore

Damn! You got me!

True, but he has to fight in the battle some time, since this IS a battle

I said "...and counterattack!" "...and counterattack!"

The Genki-dama does destroy anything with evil ki. but the genki-dama takes a long time to be charged to be thrown, which at that time, the opponent can rush Goku down. And The Genki-dama is used as a last resort technique.

That wouldnt' work. Remember, Furiza did the same thing, but Goku still survived and hit him with it (though a lot of good that did)

*remembers Gotenks's dumb ass attacks*

SSJ3 drains the energy inside you so it has to be used quickly, and fusion only lasts 30 minutes.

However, a well-aimed Super Ghost or Shine Shine could cripple the opponent in the fight's first few minutes.

3-The lava thing happened in the anime, but he did not survive (I think... and this could be possible as he could've been wished back by the dragon balls when they wished for everyone that was killed by freeza to be brought back to life...) or maybe he did... I haven't seen that episode in so long...

Roll, Goku DID survive. Remember, he was the one who told Dende to wish everyone except Goku and Furiza to earth. When Goku was knocked into the lava, he was prolly down there recovering energy (and maybe making a shield against the heat of the lava), but he did not die

for the Power Levels, dont even think of saying that goku was at 300 millions cause no one know except if you asked akira toriyama cause after the freeza saga no one ever used a scouter ! except when freeza said HE was over a million on his 2nd form, after that it is just not possible to tell Power Level !

SSJKarma, we are not saying that there are stated levels, because we know there aren't. I guessed my levels based on previously stated levels and calculated rates of pl growth.

TarkanX: gohan didn't goe's to SSJ2 until fighting cell (no one ever knew if he had before) the only thing goku knew is that gohan would over pass his limit if he were cornered and had no other choices but going thru !(remember he even doubted gohan after a while cause he THOUGHT gohan could be stronger than him)

No. In the manga, Gohan goes SSJ2 for a couple of secends in the Room of Spirit and Time.

when training with piccolo first piccolo letted him live 6 month but in the full moon he transformed into oozaru then piccolo blow the moon and cut the tail of gohan

No he didn't. He blew up the moon. Gohan's tail wasn't cut off until later on, when Vegeta did it.

I know Goku wasn't at 300 million, I was giving examples. And I proved that at least one DB character is over 100 million, and even over one billion. And The last PL given was when Trunks was read at 5.

*Joe sends Tark to read the somewhere above post proving him otherwise*


Whew! A lot of typing. My hands hurt.

[weezer]

[quoteost_uid0="SBYRD5"][quoteost_uid0="weezer"]dragonballz vs street fighter.....pfft......they're just rumors.....its pure stupidity.....what is it going to be? another fake show like dbgt or a game? Every dbz game on ps sucked major ass unlike the sf games........the only good dbz games were the rpgs on snes.....[/quote]
Sorry but unless your talking about the new "Chicken Whooper"
Your wrong Brother!!! The rpg on snes was good, But there are two more good ones= 1)"Dragon Ball Z Unlimited" and 2)Dragon Ball Final Bout"
Oh and it's Dragon Ball vs Street Fighter. <!--emo&[/quote]

[quoteost_uid0="weezer"]dragonballz vs street fighter.....pfft......they're just rumors.....its pure stupidity.....what is it going to be? another fake show like dbgt or a game? Every dbz game on ps sucked major ass unlike the sf games........the only good dbz games were the rpgs on snes.....

Sorry but unless your talking about the new "Chicken Whooper"
Your wrong Brother!!! The rpg on snes was good, But there are two more good ones= 1)"Dragon Ball Z Unlimited" and 2)Dragon Ball Final Bout"
Oh and it's Dragon Ball vs Street Fighter. <!--emo&[/quote]

I meant a REAL game not a made up one.........And dragonball GT fianl bout is a good game? Dude i have that piece of #### game......it has bad reviews for a reason.......cuz it sucks so bad.......The opening movie is better that the whole game.......

[Roll]

[quoteost_uid7="SSJKarma"]it would be fun to make a game in mugen and call it that way !

Dragonball Z VS Street Fighters

it could be done easily.
i mean all the techs are very similar.

think ill try, it'll give me something to do ! [/quoteost_uid7]
Could I help you on that? I have a couple of characters already. They're SF though, and I'm still trying to get Sakura. @.@ And which version are you using?

[SBYRD5]

Look remeber "Fruzia" is that right Joe? I said his power level was over one million at his secound form. O.K. Vegeta was Blow for blow even with him in his weakest form. I think Fruzia double's his power in those weak forms... so Vegeta was at 500,000, But that can't be right because when Goku was fighting Captian, Goku's power level was at 180,000 I think could someone explian this to me.(Because Goku is stronger than Vegeta)????

[TarkanX]

What I meant by "disappear" was when the ppl around him no longer see him. I did not mean to imply that he can cloak so no one can see him.

I understand

I'm not sure if it says it in the manga, but in the anime the Rou Dai Kaioshin says that Mystic would allow Gohan to surpass his limits. Therefore, he's using more than his max power

It doesn't say that in the manga, the rou dai kaioshin says you can't turn SSJ anymore because it's useless, and you've reached your max potential so you can't get any stronger.

Where does it say that the Androids from the present are twice as strong as the ones from the future? Here's how I see it:

It doesn't say it, I just used theories using proportions(going into math here), and compared them with the present time. There also have been theories like, Trunks said the Androids of the present time are much stronger than Trunks's dimension.

The Androids from the present are the same power as the ones from the future.

Wrong, Trunks stated that the ones in the present are stronger than the future time. How can this be proven you say? Trunks can't sense the androids ki, but we compare it by how Trunks get beaten badly.

Trunks was beaten in his future badly just before he left to earth to fight the other present androids. But he was even messed up even more. Therefore the androids in the present is stronger than the future androids.


[quote]
Now, we can't say that Trunks is as powerful as Goku, because Gohan keeps saying during the Trunks Special that he wishes his father was there, because then they could beat the androids. Either way, we have to start off back in the eps. when Furiza and King Kold came to earth.[quote]

Gohan in the manga from the future does say he wishes Goku was here with them, but then after that, he says "you get us out of jams when we are on the brink of losing". Even if Goku was alive in the future, they still wouldn't beat the androids. But they'd stand much more of a chance.

They could win if they double teamed one android, and went for the other, but the other android will ust come in the fight.

= around 25,000,000 (he received a power-up from the cyborg parts, and prolly trained on his way to earth)
King Kold = around 30,000,000 (Tenshinhan said he felt Furiza's ki, but also another more powerful ki)

King Kold should be weaker than form 2 Freiza when Form 2 Freiza is almost at max. The reason why is because King Kold said on the shp that him and Freiza fought before, and Freiza had to go to form to and almost at max just to beat his father. So I'd put King Kold at 800,000. This was stated in the manga.

Now, when Trunks arrived, he easily took out Furiza and King Kold. Therefore:

Trunks = around 35,000,000

Trunks isn't way stronger than Freiza, even though Freiza didn't hit Trunks, he did make Trunks a LITTLE bit winded from the fight. I'd put him at 30 million from the PL you listed.

Remember how Trunks tried to hit Goku with his sword, but Goku merely deflected it? That would mean that Goku had a higher pl than trunks, therefore making it

Goku didn't deflect it, he just blocked it with his finger, so Goku would be at 35 -40 million.

Now, let's go back to Trunks Future. If Trunks is around 35,000,000, then Gohan would be around 60-65 million.

You mean SSJ Trunks, and SSJ Trunks had a hard time with non-SSJ Gohan with one arm toying with SSJ Trunks, and Trunks was sweating vigorously. I'd put non-SSJ Gohan with one arm in your terms at 70 million, and SSJ Gohan with one arm at 210 million, or whatever you see SSJ's power increases the non-SSJ.

Now, if you watch the Special, you would see signs that Gohan is stronger than either of the Androids and could take the both if it was one-on-one battle. However, the Androids fight together, which is why Gohan dies. Therefore,

the specials don't count. And in the manga, android 17 was using 50% of his power, and was almost even with SSJ Gohan with one arm, but android 17 still had the edge.

Gohan = around 65,000,000
Android 17 = around 60,000,000 (because he's prolly weaker than Gohan all by himself)
Android 18 = around 55,000,000(because it states that 18 is a little weaker than 17.

Again that 65 million should be non-SSJ Gohans power level, and android 17 is higher than Gohan, the anime just screwed that up. And Android 17 and Android 18 don't have a huge difference. Just put them one million to two million apart, and android 17 like you said is stronger.

That sounds a little more reasonable to me, in terms of power levels growth-wise. After all, it does not seem possible that Vegeta, who was killed by Furiza (who only has a pl of less than 12 million at the time), could come back and train enough to make mincemeat out of a being even stronger than the androids if they were at over 300 million (rememeber, he pounds on Imperfect Cell for a period of time).

Freiza at form 4 max wasn't at a PL of 12 million or lower, he's much higher than that, probably around 20 million, but he's even with SSJ Goku when he's at max. Vegeta is only 5 times weaker than Freiza's form 4 is at max. since Freiza was at 20% when he transformed.

Vegeta never fought imperfect Cell, he fought against Semi-Perfect Cell, and Vegeta got the time room training for a year which really upped his power by a huge margin.

It also wouldn't make sense that a HUMAN (tenshinhan) could hold off a being with a power level of over 300 million, nonetheless hold off Imperfect Cell for a very long time. To me, my levels sound more reasonable.

Tenshinhan held Semi-Perfect Cell, because of the Shin Kikohou. It's a VERY powerful move, but strains the body really fast out of the opponent. And Tenshinhan's shin kikohou held of Super Buu(with Piccolo, and Gotenks). But Tenshinhan got tired easily and fainted.

Do you really want me to? I can do it right now if you'd like

I don't care, go ahead.

no! I mean as if their attacks are going up against each other, (ie. Goku's Kame Hame Ha versus Vegeta's Gallic Hou during the Saiya-jin saga).

Oro's variable yagyou-dama can go against a really powered up kamehameha.

Oro's tengou stone can go against Piccolo's rapid fireball attack thing or whatever it's called.

That's all i know right now...

by the way what part of the series was the Ryuken attacked used?

That didn't happen in the manga?

No it didn't happen, Form 4 freiza at max was even with SSJ Goku until Freiza got tired because of stress, then Goku laid the beat down on Freiza.

No, what I'm saying is "what good is it to drop someone who can fly out of the sky? If that's the atack -- to pick someone up and drop them so they get hurt when they hit the ground -- then the Z Fighter he uses it against could simply fly away and not fall.

Oro can use the variable kishin riki in the sky as well....

That wouldnt' work. Remember, Furiza did the same thing, but Goku still survived and hit him with it (though a lot of good that did)

Freiza was an idiot, he wasn't even using his full power against Goku, only 70% of it. And Freiza didn't know Goku was doing.

If Goku did throw the Genki-dama at Bison, Bison would just teleport, if he tried to throw it at twelve, twelve would disappear, and Goku can't sense or see him, so he wouldn't know where to throw it. If he's charging it up against Evil Ryu, Evil Ryu would just shun goku satsu him... It won't work against Gill, or Oro since they're good.

, a well-aimed Super Ghost or Shine Shine could cripple the opponent in the fight's first few minutes

But what's well aimed if the opponent keeps on moving that you can't get a good direct attack.

Roll, Goku DID survive. Remember, he was the one who told Dende to wish everyone except Goku and Furiza to earth. When Goku was knocked into the lava, he was prolly down there recovering energy (and maybe making a shield against the heat of the lava), but he did not die

Like I said, the lava part didn't happen, it wasn't in the manga, and Goku can't make a shield around himself.