Hell there is a hell... - I'm not playing with you...=/

[(ShinKu_Ryu)]

[quoteost_uid0="Roll"][quoteost_uid0="(ShinKu Ryu)"]Mou5y You dont make sense...and roll, all this you have been saying looks like your taking joes side........ :angryfire:

And joe you dont make sense by saying give me proof that there is a heaven.....Its like saying i want proof that there is a living god..?!? ???[/quote]
Technically, I am not taking any side. I respect all beliefs that are shared around the world, and I think it wrong to judge any of them harshly. But at the same time, if someone tries to impose their beliefs as superior, or tries to impose that what they've found to be true to them is supposed to be the ultimate truth for all people, then I will go against them for that. No one has the right to say that, no matter how many people think similarly. Even you have to admit that it's wrong to do that.

And what Joe asks for makes sense. It's.. like when a child says that there are monsters under the bed. If you can prove to them that there are none, then they'll feel better and safer, and they will calm down.[/quote]
The example you gave of a child being afraid of a monster under the bed does dot make sense to......... :shocked:

All I'm asking for is a reasonable debate of knowledge. However, all of my perfectly clear, 100%-backed points are being ignored. I've been offering pieces of evidence after pieces of evidence, insteances of proof after instances of proof. I've been offering cold, hard debate material this entire time.

And what do I get for it? I get vx unicom NOT DEBATING, but simply saying that i am wrong. I present evidence, and he ignores it. I provide proof, and he disregards it, merely saying that "joe you are wrong."

Does he provide REASONS as to why I am wrong? No, he just says "joe ur wrong." Then, he goes as far as to say "joe ur too ignorant to know the truth, ur too young to know the truth." I give examples of other religious beliefs, and he says "no they're wrong too."

And then he says that we are ignoring HIS points. I have been making points all along, and he ignores every one of them, just so he can say "joe ur wrong, all scientists who don't believe in god are wrong."

That's not debate material. That's crap.

I was stupid to think that I could actually find a debate here from anyone other than Roll, SBYRD or Tarkan. vx and shinku ryu are not debating. They're making unbacked insistians.

If this keeps up, I'm gonna have to go with Elena and have someone lock the topic. Not because "i'm afraid of losing the debate," but becuase you people don't even know HOW to debate.

[Evil-Blanka]

[quoteost_uid0="Roll"]It may not be a joke, but it is still wrong to try and sway other people's judgements with a newspaper article like they did. Anyone who would start saying "Praise God now, lest you should burn like a chicken on a barbeque!" is a type of person who I would believe to be filled with follies, have concerns that are too irrational, and keep lax morals.[/quote]
i see hell in my other streetfighterex3 game when you win you see hell

[VampireNinja]

Shauku(Nantuko Joe)...All you talk is about is debate,after debate...
Were just giving off some things on what people BELIEVE cause we don't really care wut is your BELIEVE and whatnot...
(im not only focusing on you though)SYBRD is just showing us some things he read in an appropiate way of what he thinks and stuff...And then u come in and you start your debate thing and you start an arguement..i noe its your opinion but next time slow it down
cause were not 21 or summin :biggrin:
Btw,Can a mod pls close this topic?



Edited By VampireNinja on Mar. 21 2004 at 20:16

[blossom]

[color=redost_uid6]Joe its not that no one is capable of debating besides Roll, SByrd, and Tark. The thing is Christianity is heavily based on faith. There isn't any real way to prove that anything on that page is fact, that's why I disagree with the way James is proclaiming it as hard evidence. Anyone can find a few verses in the bible, throw them onto a web page, add something flashy and try to make a case. I was shown that site a month or two ago by a girl from school. To me Hell is all too real, I really don't need a web site to tell me that its not a place I would like to be for an eternity. In church we learn about giving our life over to God and living righteous, so that BS recording didn't sway my opinion about Hell anymore than it may have swayed yours lol. Its true that you do have good points Joe, but seriously religion is only fact to those who believe it is, science cant explain everything, and no one is really sure what happens after death.[/colorost_uid6]

[VampireNinja]

But Blossom,Do you go to Church?And you believe that theres a Hell and theres no Heaven?I understand your post and everything but i can't calculate the meaning.Ok lets say..How do you noe theres a Hell?And no Heaven?

Anyways,im just leaving your opinions to yourself.If you don't want to believe,i don't really care.But if you do,then its cool.And im not judging peoples opinions or leaving them out for what they think

Im just making it clear :biggrin:



Edited By VampireNinja on Mar. 21 2004 at 21:10

[MasterX05]

Geez why cant people see that Humans are Animals. We ARE apart of the animal Kingdom. People see it all wrong of the evloution of human we did not come from monkeys or apes. Matter of fact we are really no where near apes. It is the chimpanzees, we all have a common ancestor. But then in evloution it branched of to apes,monkeys humans and Chimps. Chimpanzees share 99.4 percent of functionally important DNA with humans and belong in our genus. Thats very close number if youask me. And the mostly main reason we evolved and other animals and plants evolved. Was for suirval, adaption to the environment. Notice how animals in cold places can surivie the cold winters.

And if God did create the universe why all the other planets? And how come they said nothing about the great large Dinos that ruled the earth. If god created man and animals and gave Adam the chance to name them all. I mean how could Adam and Eve be true? Tell me who in the hell took note and kept track of this during that time. Im pretty sure God didnt have a journal he wrote in everyday. Day 1 made earth...... come on I find that very hard to believe they have what he did and made each day. And all the bull of how they eat the fruit from this forbidden tree. And god kicked them out and sealed of the garden. And thats why everyone is born with a sin. Come on ive read fairy tales more believable.



Edited By MasterX05 on Mar. 21 2004 at 23:19

[SSJKarma]

ok... time i join this DEBATE of yours...

1 - the temperature rising might have been a flock LAVA coming out of the center of the earth. we all know that 40 kilometer below us is a living hell of flames, magma and lava !

2 - the voices heard could everything on earth and still not be human voices ! been proved that many people's heard supposed voices of humans and the likes but in the end it was just wind, earth and mainly everything else besides human voices !

3 - has they prooved that deal with video footage and the likes, no they only recorded sounds which could have been everything else besides human voices !

4 - the bible is only a fairy tale. (at least for me)

5 - If hell exists then how come we prooved that there is no HEAVEN besides the clouds ? (satellites prooved this too well)

6 - if hell really exists, then how comes our so sofisticated sensors didn't detected it way earlier ?

7 - if that was true, then how come we never saw any demons coming out of there since we supposedly openned the door up ?

8 - why wouldn't they be able to come out by themselves ?

9 - does this mean that if i die, i will not be going away but i will go down and into the center of earth ?

10 - do you think i prooved my point or you need of me to go on like this ?

i'm not turning this down as you might think... i'm just asking for a lot more proofs then a single recording that could be anything !

[quoteost_uid0="SSJKarma"]ok... time i join this DEBATE of yours...

1 - the temperature rising might have been a flock LAVA coming out of the center of the earth. we all know that 40 kilometer below us is a living hell of flames, magma and lava !

2 - the voices heard could everything on earth and still not be human voices ! been proved that many people's heard supposed voices of humans and the likes but in the end it was just wind, earth and mainly everything else besides human voices !

3 - has they prooved that deal with video footage and the likes, no they only recorded sounds which could have been everything else besides human voices !

4 - the bible is only a fairy tale. (at least for me)

5 - If hell exists then how come we prooved that there is no HEAVEN besides the clouds ? (satellites prooved this too well)

6 - if hell really exists, then how comes our so sofisticated sensors didn't detected it way earlier ?

7 - if that was true, then how come we never saw any demons coming out of there since we supposedly openned the door up ?

8 - why wouldn't they be able to come out by themselves ?

9 - does this mean that if i die, i will not be going away but i will go down and into the center of earth ?

10 - do you think i prooved my point or you need of me to go on like this ?

i'm not turning this down as you might think... i'm just asking for a lot more proofs then a single recording that could be anything ![/quote]
No offense, but all were points I already made; plus the fact that that article came from the National Inquirer.

The debate has seemingly turned to the overall debate between science vs the bible, or so it would seem. Actually it's not much of a debate, considering how only one person is bringing debate materials, me, while the other is making unbacked claims, flat-out stating that i'm wrong without providing reasons, ignoring my debate materials, and claiming that everyone's ignoring his points while I've been debating his every point into the ground.

[vx_unicom]

Roll doesn't even know what debating is for that matter.....he is either on the opposing side and the defending side, he is been spamming. Anyways Joe i did prove of a how there must be source that created the whole universe. why do u think some gay people think God created Adam and Steve instead of Adam and Eve? So basically ur saying that humans evolved from baboons.......well i've heard scientist say humans evolved from apes not baboons.....the prove that humans evolved from apes and the fact that God created humans....I think the humans evolving from apes just doesn't make sense because we are special not the same with animals. I'm not ignoring ur points i just dont think they make any sense....without that source that created the universe we would not exist. ???