Street fighter vs. dragon ball(not counting gt.... - Or anything contradtcing the manga)

[princevegetam]

i'm saying that in response to Tarkan

[Dan Hibiki]

Ryu, Akuma, Bison, and Rose also are very good at ki manipulation. Play against Shin Bison in SFA3 and you will see what I mean about him, and Rose uses ki to reflect ki.

[princevegetam]

but they cannot manipulate ki at the level of the Z fighters.

[Dan Hibiki]

And I say that they can, but unlike DBZ they don't rely on it because they have SKILL. Your whole argument on DBZ fighters having the maximum amount of skill possible is ridiculous. No matter how good somebody is, they can always become better.

[princevegetam]

omg don't you understand?!

ki manipulation is a higher level of skill. go ask any martial artist expert! ki is used in every aspect of martial arts. to perform skilled moves in the most perfect fashion and beyond, you must enhance it with ki. ki is what makes skill PERFECT! and once that has been achieved, martial artists move on to manifesting the ki and using it in the form of energy like they do in dbz and SF!

[Nantuko Joe]

It doesn't matter, Vegeta's soul gets sent to hell, if your soul is sent to hell, then that's it. And killing is a sin, every Z fighter commited a sin, there is no denying that, even Goku did.

Let's not bring morals and ethics into this. If this were true, than the attack would kill Akuma too, since he's killed ppl in the past as well.

Tenshou Kareki Jin is not a beam, and what the hell is shine shine?

You said that the purple energy shoots out of Akuma's hand and hits the enemy. That sure sounds like a beam to me.

And Shine SHine is short for Shine Shine Rapid Fire Death Missile Barrage (one of Gotenks' attacks)

Isn't that the attacks where the ring burns, and crushes you at the same time? Well there are some characters without teleporting that can find a way to evade it's speey projectile.

It's not a projectile. It flies above you and then quickly sticks you in the middle of it and crushes you.

Gill can freeze the ring rendering it useless, or he can just do seraphic wing to just blast it away.

Bah...you say Seraph WIng for everything. He can't do infinite Seraph WIngs

Akuma can do a Kongou kokuretsuzan to forcefully hit the ring back at Gotenks.

??? what the hell is a kongou whatever?

Dhalsim can make the projectile not move using his yoga powers

It's not a projectile

Oro can do his EX Yagyou-dama to blast away the ring(if he has two arms on him, he can easily manipulate the fireball), or he can do his Tengu-Stone, gathering hard metal, and debree(diamonds, titanium, etc...) to protect himself.

whats the EX yagyou thing again?

Twelve can just stand there taking the hits, and not getting effected.

Why not?

-When Piccolo and Freiza began to fight, Freiza was beating Piccolo up, then Piccolo took off his weights and then beat Freiza, then Freiza powered up, and they were about even. It wasn't any skill used, it was just strength, and speed. Don't listen to the people with fake PL's that say Piccolo used skill, skill is never used in DB"Z", not once, unless in cheating tactics(Vegeta vs Zarbon's monster form in round 2).

The fighters in DBZ are way beyond the need to use skill. They stopped using pure skill and technique back during the DB Budokais. Because they're so strong, there's only one technique they really need to use: grappling. Anything other than that is useless, since they're so strong

You have to go through DB era to see there sins, and Gohan has commited a sin, always obey thy parent(somewhere along the lines of that), he disobeyed Goku when he told Gohan to not interfere when he was going to fight Vegeta.

Disobeying a parent is not a sin. DISHONORING a parent is a sin. And the vast majority of Japan does not worship the christian religion, so you can't use the christian set of rules and ideals here

Gohan also killed Cell.

That really doesn't count, Cell was an artificial being, and does not count as a murder/killing. It's like killing a robot, that doesn't count either

Why are you suddenly saying that? Street Fighter characters can manipulate ki just as well. They simply don't rely on it like DBZ characters do.

The DBZ characters rely on Ki so much because they have transcended the need for normal martial arts and technique. Due to their speed and strength, the only art they truly need is Grappling

No matter how good somebody is, they can always become better.

Not true. Gohan can no longer get any stronger, faster, or more skilled than he already is, because he has reached his maximum potential in strength and speed and etc.

ki manipulation is a higher level of skill. go ask any martial artist expert! ki is used in every aspect of martial arts. to perform skilled moves in the most perfect fashion and beyond, you must enhance it with ki. ki is what makes skill PERFECT! and once that has been achieved, martial artists move on to manifesting the ki and using it in the form of energy like they do in dbz and SF!

This is true. There are many martial arts in real life that make good use of ki, such as Juku Kai and Kaishin (sp). They all rely on the use of ki to absorb attacks and deliver counterattacks

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Let's not bring morals and ethics into this. If this were true, than the attack would kill Akuma too, since he's killed ppl in the past as well.

Not necessarily. He knows how to defend himself in hell, from what I read up on him. Thus, it doesn't damage him....

[Nantuko Joe]

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Let's not bring morals and ethics into this. If this were true, than the attack would kill Akuma too, since he's killed ppl in the past as well.

Not necessarily. He knows how to defend himself in hell, from what I read up on him. Thus, it doesn't damage him....[/quote]

Just because he has the ability to defend himself in hell doesnt' mean that the attack wouldn't damage him and send him to hell. That just means that when he uses the attack, he'd go to hell too, but would still beat the opponent because hell wouldnt' bother him.

However, ppl like Goku and Vegeta can already defend themselves in the afterlife, both heaven and hell. THerefore, Akuma would have to fight them in hell too, except he wouldn't have the satsu anymore as a trump card

[Dan Hibiki]

You DO know what happens when your soul is ripped from your body by demons, right? You kinda die right then and there, and no physical preparedness is going to help you.

[princevegetam]

that kind of depends on your beliefs and religion