Street fighter vs. dragon ball(not counting gt.... - Or anything contradtcing the manga)

[SSJKarma]

tidus2k2: if you already looked that much about DBZ, how come you never understood that it isn't power they have in their hand and foot, but KI ENHANCEMENTS !

when they give a punch to someone they can stay normal (not saying they aren't strong) the person wouldn't just destroy 20+ mountain on the way ! it would only bring him down to about 10 foot of distance.

now when they fight with buu or any other monster. they USE THEIR KI to enhance that same punch to make it much more powerfull ! same goes for the strenght and speed ! make a race between goku and mr satan when goku doesn't use up is ki and you'll notice that it is pretty even !

VEGETAM: your acting like we are nothing and i don't like it ! we are humans just like you and we have the right to have the truth. you aren't the only one who knows things and still you act like you know EVERYTHING there is to know about SF and DBZ !

i just don't like people like that !
i too wouldn't say SF would win, but the fight would still take forever cause TECHNIQUES are TECHNIQUES and even the fastest person in the world couldn't out speed another SPRINTER !

[princevegetam]

i never said that! i just said i'm going to take on the big fish(tarkanX) and then the other debaters. besides, he was the original debater on the SF side from the start.

[Tidus2K2]

Yo i love SF and DBZ but to tell u DBZ will win. But it will be a great fight between both sides.

Now karma are you telling me that goku and the rest of the z fighters are the same strenght as a human and they go all strong when the use there ki attacks. I'm sorry to say but that entirely incorrect. IN the Buu saga when vegeta had to punch the machine so he know's how hard he punches he broke the damn thing and thats wasn't even his hardest punch.

Fist to Fist or With KI attacks either way DBZ will win. Who cares abot the ki attacks or fighting the way your opponent does. If you have a technique use it if it can make you win the match. Its not like the zfighters get the energy to do all those attacks from someone else it's them who do it. It's just another one of there techniques. Thts like telling ryu he can't do a hadouken.

[Nantuko Joe]

see nantuko, that make sense!

I never said it didn't make sense. I said that the Sonic Boom was just like Kuririn's Kienzan

OTOKO MICHI: DAN most powerfull super, where he grab onto the person and sefl destruct himself with his KI !

First off, SF characters don't use ki. And even if that was the case, Dan would die becaus you said it yourself "he self-destructs"

example:
SF use brute force and train to be STRONGER as in MUSCLE and TECHNIQUE
DBZ use KI attack and train to boost that KI.

DBZ doesn't JUST USE KI! They use force. Look at Goku in the spaceship to Nameck. He was doing vertical push-ups, one-handed push-ups, hanging sit-ups, punches and kicks, that kind of thing. The reason they don't weight lift is because there's not enough weights on the planet for them to use, they're too strong physically

SF use MUSCLE and TECHNIQUES
DBZ use KI to enhance ALL their KI Blast and their MUSCLE !

DBZ doesn't just use ki. They practice in martial arts and the arts of grappling.

and again, the TRAINING goku and vegeta had (400x gravity) isn't impossible to us human ! as goku AND vegeta started training under very lower gravity first and then came up and up until they reach those gravities !

When Goku wanted to train in 100x gravity, he started off training in something like 20x (because he already trained in 10x on Kaio-sama's planet). Vegeta was much stronger when he started his gravity training, and he started at around 100x gravity and worked up to 400x

in GT, FAT BUU died and UBUU absorbed him to become UUBUU ! or something like that !

Why do you ppl keep bringing up GT? GT doesn't count, goddammit!

Well I don't want to get this to be a huge debate

41 pages doesn't qualify as a "huge debate"?

i'm just going to debate with tarkan since he seems to be the most sensible and powerful debater on the SF side in this thing(no offense to anyone).

one question: if gill is a "god" and he is immortal, then, was he ever defeated? if he's immortal, then there is no need to continue this topic since he can never die. so if that is the case then sf would win (with 99% credit to gill's immortality of course).

Just because he's a god doesnt' mean he can't die. Kami-sama (Kami) is a god, and he died when Piccolo died. North Kaio-sama (King Kai) is a god, and he died when Cell self-destructed. Rou Dai-Kaioshin (the old Supreme Kai) is the super-god-of-all-gods from 15 centuries ago, and he died when he gave his life for Goku.

So you see, gods can die.

and even if Gill can't die, the Z fighters would kill everyone BUT Gill, then somehow lure Gill into the Room of Spirit and Time and blow up the outside of the room. That way, Gill would forever be trapped in a never-ending empty dimension

OK then. IMmortality. Lets bring in the eternal dragon and wish for goku and vegeta to be immortal. Now that just sucks doesn't it. Two of the strongest fighters immortal against 1 immrotal. Still dbz has the edge.

Lol, there you go

that's ridiculous, it never happened in the manga. so vegeta and goku aren't immortal. you can't make things up, it would be like saying: get goku to train some more under 1 million x earth's gravity to beat akuma

He didn't say it DID happen. He's just saying IT COULD happen. If SF fought DBZ, they could wish for Goku and Vegeta to be immortal

i never said that! i just said i'm going to take on the big fish(tarkanX) and then the other debaters. besides, he was the original debater on the SF side from the start.

[color=green]Pretty much 80% of my posts, I've been arguing against TarkanX.[/quote]

[color=green]Now karma are you telling me that goku and the rest of the z fighters are the same strenght as a human and they go all strong when the use there ki attacks. I'm sorry to say but that entirely incorrect. IN the Buu saga when vegeta had to punch the machine so he know's how hard he punches he broke the damn thing and thats wasn't even his hardest punch. [/quote]

Exactly. In DBZ, when Goku was training in 100x gravity and later on when vegeta was in 400x gravity, they weren't JUST using ki to train, they were using strength. You can't say that the DBZ fighters use ki for everything

[Dan Hibiki]

Let's just end this debate. No matter what...

Akuma ownz any evil or impure person who committed evil in any series. Period. Shun Goku Satsu sends the person to Hell, where they are injured for how evil their past deeds were. In fact, the only people invincible to the Shun Goku Satsu, it seems, are those with severe brain damage or protected little brats (e.g. Goku, Gohan, Goten).

>.< D'oh! I wrote myself into a corner in my own debate!

... just one note... Street Fighter characters DO use Ki. Hadoken? Ki. Gadoken? Ki. Sonic Boom? Ki. The difference is that they use other types of power, too, like Psycho Power, which affects a persons strength in proportion to the evil in their heart (this is why SFA3 Bison is much stronger than SFII Turbo Bison, which is after he fused with Rose and lost his pure evil in his heart).

[Nantuko Joe]

This debate will NEVER END.

First off, I've already defeated the Shun Goku Satsu, even TarkanX admitted it. Simply get Lord Enma to allow the person to return to earth and get Uranai Baba's teleportation to bring them back to the fight. Akuma can't do that forever, and to everyone at the same time.

So ha.

And SF uses ki? I thought they were in the same league as XMEN, where they use energy, not ki. My bad.

DBZ still would rock SF's world.

[princevegetam]

joe is damn right! this isn't going to end that easily.

if dbz characters could wished for immortality then there would be no point to this fight. and gill isn't just a god, he's an immortal god. immortal means, no dying. so there is no way to destroy him, but there are a number of ways to trap him. but trapping him doesn't kill him so i guess it means SF wins.

and dan is right, all forms of energy attacks used in fighting are KI. stuff like psycho power are just different types of KI.

DBZ characters DO have techniques and strength!! just being able to manipulate KI at DBZ level requires LOTS of strength and technique! go read any martial arts book, it'll say so.

[Tidus2K2]

Nantuko always putting more detail into my argument. Thx.
And now all i want the debaters to do is stop for one moment and picture both DBZ and SF how they fight and how the show goes it's practically impossible to know who will win since they show so much force in one attack in SF and not much in DBZ. Now just picture both and tell me who will win goku with a Kaokenx100 Kamehameha or ryu with his hadouken. Compare both forces from what you've seen.

Now compare Gohan's speed when he was fighting cell and Ken when fighting Bison.
Now think when gohan punched cell in the stomach he made cell literally throw up #18. Now what if gohan punches Ryu like hat. Ryu won't be standing and waiting for the punch he will try to dodge it but with gohan's incredible speed he'll get him.

[princevegetam]

stop talking about the #### sf characters.

dbz won't defeat oro, gill and shin akuma so easily. they could be a problem, but dbz's power will completely overwhelm them in the end.

[TarkanX]

Although the part about Nam is true (he didn't have any ki manipulation and yet he still almost beat Goku), you gotta realize that that was way back in the day, where everyones power levels were around <300. I'd stake Nam at about 20. However, unless you have superhuman speed and strength at the same level of the Z fighters, i doubt he'd win

Nam should be between 40-80

So its like a shield that hurts your opponent? Wouldn't that require a pretty good amount of energy to form and sustain?

Gill doesn't run out of energy

He can do the Seraph Wing repeatedly without any loss of energy?

Yep

That is not possible (at least in DBZ terms). The only reason Goku was able to fight Buu in the Buu Saga was because his BODY was given back to him. However, had his body not been given to him, he would have returned to earth as a ghost. Ghosts can't fight. Therefore, even if Gill's spirit is immortal, his body would die but his spirit would not go to the afterlife, and he would become a permanent ghost

Goku is not a deity, Gill is, if Gill's body dies, he can still fight with his soul, and he can go into other bodies.

DBZ against SF will be something to watch but i'd still say DBZ because it's just to obvious. Compare the attacks of all the SF characters with the DBZ and DBZ will win. Buu can take care of all the SF characters all by himself because he can't die.(He's still alive in DBGT as Ubuu)

Buu can waste most SFers no problem, most SFers. and Buu got reincarnated by the dragon balls, he died by the Chou Genki-dama.

DBGT against SF. SF lost this big time. The Dbgt characters are way to strong to lose this fight There almost invincible

DBGT doesnt coincide with the DB"Z"" storyline.

Now i don't wanna take up much time and post a lot of backup info because you can compare mentally. I've seen all the Sf movies and Episodes same with the DB series and seriously DBZ will win.

You can't take SF movies, and episodes into canon, nor DB"Z" episodes.

OTOKO MICHI: DAN most powerfull super, where he grab onto the person and sefl destruct himself with his KI !

To make the Capcom characters as good(almost as good) as Marvel characters, they had to weaken Marvel characters, and make the Capcom characters stronger than they are. So Dan was given an attack he isnt supposed to have.

and again, the TRAINING goku and vegeta had (400x gravity) isn't impossible to us human ! as goku AND vegeta started training under very lower gravity first and then came up and up until they reach those gravities !

Vegeta only took 300, and Goku took 100.

FAT BUU = good side

It would be better to say fat Buu is the The Fat evil Buu, Mr. Buu(good Buu) is the fat Good Buu, and Thin Buu(Evil Buu) is the skinny Evil Buu.

Speed:Lighting fast speed. And at that speed any punch or kick would be a knock out

No DB"Z" charcater travels at the speed of light.

Strength: Now these guys have a ton of power in their hands and legs. One punch from Vegeta or Goku would send someone like Akuma to his death.

Defense: The DBZ character would just stand there take all the hits and once the enemy is tired knock them out by Punch a hole through there stomach.

Almost any SF characters, and about Akuma, if they DB"Z" characters weren't toying with him, then yeah that would be true.

one question: if gill is a "god" and he is immortal, then, was he ever defeated? if he's immortal, then there is no need to continue this topic since he can never die. so if that is the case then sf would win (with 99% credit to gill's immortality of course).

Yeah he is, he did lose, but he wasn't trying at all. He lost to Alex to see Alex's potential, and lost to Yun and Yang so they can understand Gill's plan. He always plays with his opponents.

First off, SF characters don't use ki

That would mean Ryu can't do a hadouken, and everyone has ki, some have different types, Gen has ki, but he doesn't show it, since he is not a person that wants to use flashy techniques to waste energy.

Vegeta was much stronger when he started his gravity training, and he started at around 100x gravity and worked up to 400x

Vegeta only used 300x gravity, the 450x is filler.

Just because he's a god doesnt' mean he can't die. Kami-sama (Kami) is a god, and he died when Piccolo died. North Kaio-sama (King Kai) is a god, and he died when Cell self-destructed. Rou Dai-Kaioshin (the old Supreme Kai) is the super-god-of-all-gods from 15 centuries ago, and he died when he gave his life for Goku.

So you see, gods can die.

and even if Gill can't die, the Z fighters would kill everyone BUT Gill, then somehow lure Gill into the Room of Spirit and Time and blow up the outside of the room. That way, Gill would forever be trapped in a never-ending empty dimension

Though they are Gods, they aren't immortal, it's like the story of hercules, but he's a demi-god, they were never stated to be immortal, Gill has been stated to be immortal(his soul). And How could they lure Gill into the ROSAT? what ways? Gill would just increase the earths temperature, or decrease it. The ROSAT was 122 degress ferenheit(sp?) at most, and -40 degress ferenheit. They had a hard time with the weather(though It's not shown). Gill can increase the weather to 1000 degress ferenheit, and sheild himself from the weather.

I thought they were in the same league as XMEN

Marvel owns DB"Z", and SF, but lets not get off topic


Alright, it seems that we're getting no where, and I remembered to list the SF projectiles.


Ryu
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Hadoken - About the same temp as the human body(98.6 degress ferenheit). Feels like getting hit by a nice solid kick. Once hit by this, the damage stays for a very long time.

Shakunetsu Hadoken - The same temp as hot water. Not enough to burn clothes.

Shinkuu Hadouken(charged up) - 5 hadoukens.

Ken
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Hadoken - Neither hot nor cold. Feels like a nice solid punch. The damage doesn't stay like Ryu's.

Sakura
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Hadoken - Is very warm, not as hot as Ken's. The effect varies on which type. Small - Feels like a hard slap. Medium - same as Ken's. Large - Same as Ryu's.

Shinkuu Hadouken - 5 Hadoukens(2 Ryu, 2 Ken, 1 Sakura)

Akuma
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Gou Hadoken - About the same temperature as the human body. Same kind as Ryu's but much greater in power and effect.

Gou Shakunetsu Hadoken - 3 burning Gou Hadokens

Messatsu Gou Hadou - 6-8 Gou Hadoukens

Dan
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Gadoken - Very warm. Feels like a slap.

Shinkuu Gadouken - 4 Gadoukens

Dhalsim
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Yoga Fire - Same temperature as boiling hot water. The damage feels kinda like the same feeling you get when you eat something very, very spicy.(Curry)

Sagat
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Tiger shot - The damage feels like getting mauled by a ferocious tiger. The temperature is freezing cold

Tiger Cannon - 5 Tiger shots

Chunli
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Kikoken - About the temperature of a warm bath. The hit doesn't feel like a solid hit but more of an effect that affects the whole body.

Kikoshou - 20 kokokens

Rose
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Soul Spark - Isn't cold or hot. The hit itself isn't hard at all but it makes the area it hit very numb.

Bison
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Psycho Shot - Very, very hot. And the hit will burn the area it hits instantly and makes it very numb.