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[blanka09]

Sure they are humans... but tell me what the difference is with this embryo and a being robbed at gun point. At that point, the harsh reality is YOU are a choice.. You're gonna be killed.. or spared. So there's absolutely nothing you can do.

That's just the harsh reality of it. You think you're worth everything cause you're a human.. but it's ironic that not everyone thinks so.. or there won't be the epitom of slavery.. and of course, you won't get the case of abortion... but unfortunately, I always say... this isn't an ideal/perfect world. So once in a while a defenceless human would be a choice... (be it the choice of life or death.. or something else) for another human to make.

[SolidSnake76]

alot of you aint reading this.

kester: say theres this girl that wanted an abortion. but you dont want her to get it. are you gonna tell her what and what not to do? if she wants to get an abortion, thats HER business. its her fourth amendmant rights to privacy. unless she your daughter or wife, you have no say in what a woman or the millions in this country can do to herself.

its her fourth amendmant rights and her choice on what she should do to the embryo WITHIN her. its not like she carrying it around on her back.

BTW: did ya ever stopped and thought that the condom could break?

[jz3232]

[quoteost_uid0="SolidSnake76"]alot of you aint reading this.

kester: say theres this girl that wanted an abortion. but you dont want her to get it. are you gonna tell her what and what not to do? if she wants to get an abortion, thats HER business. its her fourth amendmant rights to privacy. unless she your daughter or wife, you have no say in what a woman or the millions in this country can do to herself.

its her fourth amendmant rights and her choice on what she should do to the embryo WITHIN her. its not like she carrying it around on her back.

BTW: did ya ever stopped and thought that the condom could break?[/quote]
yeah its law if i was in that situation i wouldnt want to um let her have an abortion but its her call and even though i dont like um the idea of leting her have one but um i respect um womens right and so um is up to her but as u said it is also not legal too abort to late and thats where all that technicle laws and constitution comes into play but just because of that um it dont mean she wont abort a better idea then aborting is having it for adoption well i did an extensive paper on abortion i could um go more into detail about partial abortion and all the other methods of adoption but um i dont want to, well is not a good idea but if a gurl feels like she needs to abort its her choice we just need to understand that watever we do we will be right there with them and if the guy wants to stop her maybe um reverse psychology is the solution well not exactly but um just letting them know ur right there with the gurl no matter wat um can maybe change her mind thats my um advice to all the ppl in that sitution. THE GUY & GURL MUST UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER AND DO WATS BEST buT REMEMBER ALWAYS IN THE END ITS THE GURLS DECISION.

[dominicankid098]

This is mostly to v-f and the ones who stand by his side:

You people need to grow the hell up. Seriously if the woman didn't want to get pregnant then she should have had safe sex, took birth control, or not have sex at all if it is that much of a damn risk for her!

Abortion is never the answer. It is killing, murdering, whatever you call it and if you are a catholic like myself, that is a sin and you go straight to hell for that. Not only is it killing but it is unthoughtful. Sometimes the father wants to have the child and the mother doesn't. So the mother just kills the innocent thing that never got to see life. And who cares about howbad society is. Maybe you stress about how life is so much but I think you seriously need to find the good things in life. I walk around all the time and thank god for the things I have in life. And things to come to get better soon! You are living in extreme stress only looking at the bad side. Like I said before, I rather live life than worry about living.

If the woman does not want to have the baby, then she should seriously put it up for adoption. Give the baby to someone who would care about it. Someone who would lead them the right way. I don't care if abortion is before it is born. It will never be right and doctors all the time try to do some convincing to the carrier to make her think otherwise.

And just think about the ones who got an abortion but wanted to have the kid but they were to afraid to tell their mother that she was pregnent. The ones who had dreams their whole life to have a family with 1-2 kids but when they got pregnant they get scared to see if they can handle such responsibility. Then when the child is killed, she wishes that she never went to the hospital and asked for abortion. You never think of that do you? You are seriously cold hearted.

[jz3232]

[quoteost_uid0="dominicankid098"]This is mostly to v-f and the ones who stand by his side:

You people need to grow the hell up. Seriously if the woman didn't want to get pregnant then she should have had safe sex, took birth control, or not have sex at all if it is that much of a damn risk for her!

Abortion is never the answer. It is killing, murdering, whatever you call it and if you are a catholic like myself, that is a sin and you go straight to hell for that. Not only is it killing but it is unthoughtful. Sometimes the father wants to have the child and the mother doesn't. So the mother just kills the innocent thing that never got to see life. And who cares about howbad society is. Maybe you stress about how life is so much but I think you seriously need to find the good things in life. I walk around all the time and thank god for the things I have in life. And things to come to get better soon! You are living in extreme stress only looking at the bad side. Like I said before, I rather live life than worry about living.

If the woman does not want to have the baby, then she should seriously put it up for adoption. Give the baby to someone who would care about it. Someone who would lead them the right way. I don't care if abortion is before it is born. It will never be right and doctors all the time try to do some convincing to the carrier to make her think otherwise.

And just think about the ones who got an abortion but wanted to have the kid but they were to afraid to tell their mother that she was pregnent. The ones who had dreams their whole life to have a family with 1-2 kids but when they got pregnant they get scared to see if they can handle such responsibility. Then when the child is killed, she wishes that she never went to the hospital and asked for abortion. You never think of that do you? You are seriously cold hearted.[/quote]
yo wat u say is true but um come to reality its always um the gurls choice however u look at it its always up to her and reality is that um it doesnt matter if there are moral precepts wat counts is ethics morals is diff from ethics and no matter ifur catholic many cathonlics still look at abortion as bad and believe in their religion but they are just as well hipocrites but um yeah i agree on wat u have to say about life and care more about living it and trying to find the postive things but sometimes someones life is just fool of too many wrongs or too many bad memories and u must remember that not every one is da same every one is different.

[coolkilla]

[quoteost_uid0="dominicankid098"]This is mostly to v-f and the ones who stand by his side:

You people need to grow the hell up. Seriously if the woman didn't want to get pregnant then she should have had safe sex, took birth control, or not have sex at all if it is that much of a damn risk for her!

Abortion is never the answer. It is killing, murdering, whatever you call it and if you are a catholic like myself, that is a sin and you go straight to hell for that. Not only is it killing but it is unthoughtful. Sometimes the father wants to have the child and the mother doesn't. So the mother just kills the innocent thing that never got to see life. And who cares about howbad society is. Maybe you stress about how life is so much but I think you seriously need to find the good things in life. I walk around all the time and thank god for the things I have in life. And things to come to get better soon! You are living in extreme stress only looking at the bad side. Like I said before, I rather live life than worry about living.

If the woman does not want to have the baby, then she should seriously put it up for adoption. Give the baby to someone who would care about it. Someone who would lead them the right way. I don't care if abortion is before it is born. It will never be right and doctors all the time try to do some convincing to the carrier to make her think otherwise.

And just think about the ones who got an abortion but wanted to have the kid but they were to afraid to tell their mother that she was pregnent. The ones who had dreams their whole life to have a family with 1-2 kids but when they got pregnant they get scared to see if they can handle such responsibility. Then when the child is killed, she wishes that she never went to the hospital and asked for abortion. You never think of that do you? You are seriously cold hearted.[/quote]
I agree the girl/woman should take birth control if she does not want kids there is no need for abortion...All Vf thinks about is the negative things...Use more then 1 condom or if she doesnt want any kids ever get her tubes tied!...there is no need for abortion...oooo the babys gonna grow up in the ghetto omg...wow!alot of people have grown up in the ghetto and changed do you by any chance know who judge joe mathis is?he grew up in the ghetto sold drugs was in gangs and everything but he changed and became a judge so growing up in the ghetto doesnt mean spit......just because he grows up in the ghetto doesnt mean he/she will do bad in school...doesnt mean he/she will use drugs..doesnt mean he/she will join gangs...What if the father wants the baby and she never tells him shes pregnant because she scared he might leave her and she goes too kill the baby when he finds out then he would b pissed because i know i would!...

[Virtual Fighter]

You people need to grow the hell up.

grow up? exactly how am i being immature or not acting my age. i dont see anywhere where im not, all i see is you stating this to try to decretify my posts because of me "age".

Seriously if the woman didn't want to get pregnant then she should have had safe sex, took birth control, or not have sex at all if it is that much of a damn risk for her!

that is not the case some times. sometimes we are not all responcible 25 year olds losing their virginity for the first time. sometimes, poop happens. sometimes, sit happens in a way that you are inpregnated. or wait, you should have used birthcontrol. but what about:

1) rape. can you really tell the rapist "hey, before you violate me, can you put this on, i dont want you to get me inpregnated. thanks." flip no. this is one case NONE of you have cared to concider.

2) condom ripping. lets say you love a guy enough to flip him, but not enough to bare his child. yuo have sex with him, with a condom on. oh snap, it ripped. it only takes ONE sperm out of the millions in his semen to impregnate you. just one. you didnt want a baby but now you're faced with that problem.

3) insest. a rape-related case having to do with a family member raping you. you'd have to be really fliping stupid to go against me on this one.

but i guess it's the girl's fault, right?

Abortion is never the answer. It is killing, murdering, whatever you call it and if you are a catholic like myself, that is a sin and you go straight to hell for that. Not only is it killing but it is unthoughtful. Sometimes the father wants to have the child and the mother doesn't. So the mother just kills the innocent thing that never got to see life. And who cares about howbad society is. Maybe you stress about how life is so much but I think you seriously need to find the good things in life.

so acording to you, what is the answer? i have already psoted the siriousenessly bad things about addoption, and about keeping it. so, what is the answer? throwing it in the dumpster? sure it isnt killing, hunger killed the child. im sure you wont go to hell for that. -_-

another thing, quit mentioning god. this is an abortion debate, and ultamitly should abortion be legal, or illegal. that right there renders your god argument obsoleat.

did you not forget the seperation of church and state? meaning if you say "i think law so and so should be tooken out because god said so" it DOESNT WORK. dont even get me started on explaining the seperation..

If the woman does not want to have the baby, then she should seriously put it up for adoption. Give the baby to someone who would care about it. Someone who would lead them the right way.

I ALREADY TOLD YOU, ADOPTION ISNT ALL IT'S CRACKED UP TO BE.

I don't care if abortion is before it is born. It will never be right and doctors all the time try to do some convincing to the carrier to make her think otherwise.

really? prove it.

And just think about the ones who got an abortion but wanted to have the kid but they were to afraid to tell their mother that she was pregnent. The ones who had dreams their whole life to have a family with 1-2 kids but when they got pregnant they get scared to see if they can handle such responsibility. Then when the child is killed, she wishes that she never went to the hospital and asked for abortion. You never think of that do you? You are seriously cold hearted.

thats not abortions fault. thats her fault for being to scared to tell her mothers. duh. -_-'

I agree the girl/woman should take birth control if she does not want kids there is no need for abortion...

1) rape
2) double breaking
3) insest

All Vf thinks about is the negative things...Use more then 1 condom or if she doesnt want any kids ever get her tubes tied!

"tube tying" is a forever effect. if she doesnt want a child when she is 20, she is fliped when she's 40.

judge joe mathis is?he grew up in the ghetto sold drugs was in gangs and everything but he changed and became a judge so growing up in the ghetto doesnt mean spit......

really now.. and is that EVERY ghetto person? no. i bet 1% of gangster guys ever grow up to be as successful as he. face it, there are some people that are just detracting from society, and would be better off not born.

just because he grows up in the ghetto doesnt mean he/she will do bad in school...

oh really? if you live in south central, you'll go to south central high. if you live in compton, you'll go to compton high. it is VERY unfliping likley you'll do good enough to go to some rich ##### school like the bell air accademy.

doesnt mean he/she will use drugs..doesnt mean he/she will join gangs...

statisticly speaking, yes, it does.

What if the father wants the baby and she never tells him shes pregnant because she scared he might leave her and she goes too kill the baby when he finds out then he would b pissed because i know i would!...

really, how many times has that ever happened? i bet all across america, like 4 times. yes, elts take out an entire ammendment to give jsutice to these 4 individuals.

-_-'


NOTE: im notreally paying much attention to blanka's posts, because his posts are more religiouse sided, and i dont really want to get into a religiouse debate. we'll leave it at the "seperation of church and state" comment.

[SolidSnake76]

dominicankid: freedom of religion. do you know what that means? you better check the bill of rights cause me and VF aint gonna waste our time explaining it.

What if the father wants the baby and she never tells him shes pregnant because she scared he might leave her and she goes too kill the baby when he finds out then he would b pissed because i know i would!...

coolkilla: do you watch some talk shows on TV? theres one show in my area, i dont know if its national, but its called maury. most, and i do stress that word out, of his episodes are nothing but baby-mama and baby-daddy drama. the punk ass man talks about how he wanna have a baby and whatnot, and then when the baby is born, dem turn asshole and quick to deny. now half the time, the baby is thier's. why the hell do they go on the show in the first place and air thier bullpoop about "i not the father, that baby aint mine." when they even know it is? and then the girls who find out the man aint the father is a straight up ho. they down with 1 man, have sum other man's baby then says that its the first man's baby. i mean, if youknow u had sex with other men in different time intervals and know who it is, what the hell? they just straight up ho.

if the woman knows the baby dont belong to the man they want, get a damn abortion before all that drama.



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[SSJDan]

i was reading some people's post mostly vf's and a couple of others. Vfs main argument seems to be this, abortion is better then forcing a child to A) live a potential abusive life
B) get trapped in an adoption system for a number of years(i think he said 5 years)

So there seems to be 3 options available for a a teen parent who knows they can't raise their child properly.

1) abortion
2) adoption
3) try to do the best they can and raise the child

Vf chooses abortion because he belives that more often than naught option 3 results in an abusive environment for the child resulting in the child that may become abusive as well. Demographics prove this.

Vf believes that the adoption system also causes pain/unwanted stress to the child.

So his conclusion is that abortion is the best option.


My point is this you seem to believe in option one being the best because under the current system option 2 is well crappy. It seems better to me that we should make the adoption system better, quicker, safer for the child.

Let's assume that the adoption process took roughly one year to go through, and had good results in finding parents who aren't abusive and can and WILL provide a good environment. Under these circumstances how can you say yes to abortion?


Also i noticed in your first post that you said something about how the federal law prohibits 2nd tri mester abortions but allows first tri mester abortions. I'm not sure if you are aware of this or not but if you plot out the logic paths of that post as in a format like this:

Conclusion

Premise1
sub premise1
etc

There is an implied premise that would be something like this"Because the federal law allows 1st tri mester abortions it's ok to do 1st tri mester abortions"

Someone could through a counter argument about how in the past federal laws or any laws of past civilizations could be unjust. there point would be that just because it is a federal law does not mean it is right or "just"

I was just informing you about the implied premise not saying the premise is good/bad/right/wrong

[dominicankid098]

Are you adopted by any chance? I most highly doubt it. Adoption is better than having no family at all. I know so because one of my cousins was adopted and he knows he was adopted. And he is living the life he likes. What if they grow up handicapped or mentally disabled by insest? Really, you are talking about straight up Kentucky lifestyle there. And some children just die before birth when things like that happen. Even if the blood related couple knew for a fact that they are going to have the baby and they did not wanted, what do you think they are saying? Most likely the idiots, AND THEY ARE flipING IDIOTS FOR SLEEPING WITH EACH OTHER, are thinking "Let's kill the bitch". The most common stupid thing ever. And really why should they even have a baby? Insest is not even a case of wearing a condom or having safe sex. It is wrong period to sleep with your same blood type. Come on, that is like sleeping with your grandmother, HOW MORE SICK CAN THAT GET. So is getting an abortion from insest right? The first question that you must have in your head is, WHY THE HELL DID I SLEEP WITH MY FAMILY MEMBER.

Raping, let us think of how far raping can get. Most times it completely flips up the women's organs. Not being capable of caring a child. And most likely the woman would go through therapy from having like a mental breakdown or something. but come on now, let's be serious. Life is full of choices. People should know the right things to do and the wrong things to do. People should know what is good and what is bad. For example, I know if it doesn't seem safe to live in a certain type of area, which most likely you can tell right away just by the looks of it, then why are you living there? I would rather live in a more secure place, I DON'T CARE IF IT COST ME 300 DOLLAR RENT TO LIVE IN A APARTMENT THAT HAS THE PERIMETER OF A WALK IN CLOSET, as long as I know it is safe. And to tell you the truth, most of the "rapings" here in Miami are by the Orange Bowl where the UM football players play and that is not a safe place to be at period. You will never here about my area saying "WOMEN RAPED AND CARRYING THE RAPERS BABY" because really, you would have to be really slick and asking to go straight to jail to try and rape a girl in my area. Seriously people should think about safety and guess what. Life is full of choices and you start making the choice of how your life is when you first start school. Do you want life hard or easy? If you would like it easy then you would think about to educate yourself to your fullest to get a career in the future, and to make your parent/guardian life easier from worrying about your grades and how your future is going to be. When you put parents through so much pressure in there lives they will never make it through in life and they will just be making enough to survive. Making enough to survive is most likely putting you a step closer to a shelter home. Bringing back to how unsafe areas around there can be. So as long as their are choices in life, which there are many, and you go through the right choices, then you should not be worried about getting raped. And not being raped would not lead to this pregnancy adoption thing. Name me any case of raping and I will give you an answer of how the women could have prevented from being raped. And don't give me no fliping Helen Of Troy type of raping case. That is not realistic.

Condom Breaking. This really where it gets to me. This is what probably makes me think that iplay2win is alive right now. Born a mistake. Hold on lol I am not going to give her body punches on a debating topic.

Well really I was raised at all times in this saying "You are responsible for your own stupid actions, deal with it." And really That is all I can say about condom breaking. I for one, if that was the case, I would love to keep the baby because I really like children. I play football with 7-9 year olds everyday and really if I don't find the "women of my dreams" then I am so adopting but anyways. If the condom breaks then straight up that is your own fault and you are responsible for whatever comes to you. If the baby is coming, then he is now your responsibility NO MATTER WHAT. I don't care if you hate children, if you never wanted kids, whatever. You can blame the one who bought the "smaller than it suppose to be" size condom and you can cry about it, but as long as you have a life inside you besides the one you have in your heart, you are carrying one and now it is your responsibility to go through birth. Abortion shows careless actions. And if you can not afford it, there are ALOT OF flipING GOVERMENT PROGRAMS THAT HELP YOU HAVE THE THINGS YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE FOR THE BABY. When I was a 9 year old child, my mother never had money to take care of her ####orn daughter and she got special help from the government. They would give her 560 dollars a month. That is plenty of money not to mention other places where you can go to help you out. but now we don't worry about money =). It has been a great life with its few struggles =). *cough* Anyways and like I said before, there is always adoption. And no orphanage will give up a child to just some family with a dirty look. And yes there are the bad things of adoption but it comes again to my saying "Better to live life than worry about living."

Conclusion. Life is full of choices. Make the right choice and maybe you won't have to go through the thought of abortion. Abortion is yes legal but wrong. And ofcourse, should be everyone with a right mind the "super very last option". Hopefully if you would think for a second you would do all the right choices to live in a SAFE AND HEALTHY society. Safety and Health beats the crap out of condom breaking, insest, and rape.

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