Db"z" vs sf...pl debate... - Come in and debate...if you dare!

[Gotenks13]

Well, since the DB"Z" vs. SF debate pretty much went down with DBZ winning, I've decided to make a PL (Power Level) debate. Besides, TarknaX said that he likes debating over PLs, so maybe I can get more people to post in here. Before you post your PLs, be sure to post the saga that they were in (this is for DB"Z"). As for SF (Street Fighter...), just post the PL that you think they have at a certain time in the SF story line. That's all for now.

[Nantuko Joe]

Well, the only way to judge the PLs of SF is to compare the strength and destructive capabilities of their attacks to the pls of the DBZ characters.

[TarkanX]

No offense.. but this is dumb(remember, no offense). It's hard to get a PL for SF, but what I know is that any SF can beat Mr. Satan, and Videl.


anyways, here are my Freiza saga PL's, they are the most accurate because I put it in a range, so instead of saying a PL of 1,000, and I'm not even sure if its at 1,000, I would say 500-1,500, I would know that it's inbetween those PL's.

(S)-stated in the manga

Raditz fight:
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Goku(weights): 334(S)
Goku(no weights): 416(S)
Piccolo(weights): 322(S)
Piccolo(no weights): 408(S)
Raditz: 1,200-1,250(S)
Goku(Kamehameha): 924-1,000(S)
Gohan: 1(S)
Gohan(crying): 710(S)
Gohan(angry): 1,307(S)
Piccolo(1st beam): 1,330(S)
Piccolo(2nd beam): 1,200-1,320


After battle
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Piccolo(weights): 329(S)
Tenshinhan: 250(S)
Krillin: 206(S)
Yamucha: 177(S)
Chaotzu: 130-170
Kamesennin: 139(S)


Saiya-jin fight
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Piccolo(max): 2,400-2,600(leaning on 2,500)
Yamucha(max) 1,250-1,310(leaning on 1,300)
Saibamen(each): 1,200(S)
Krillin(max): 1,400-1,700
Tenshinhan(max): 1,500-1,900
Tenshinhan(one armed kikohou): 2,000-2,300
Chaotzu(max): 1,010-1,100
Gohan: 1,010-1,100
Gohan(masenko): 2,800(S)
Nappa(max): 7,500-8,000
Goku(surpressed): 5,000(S)
Goku(max): 8,100(S)
Gohan(healed): 1,300-1,800
Vegeta: 16,000(S)
Vegeta(powered up): 18,000(S)
Goku(kaio-ken) 16,200(S)
Goku(kaio-ken*2): 16,200(increase of speed)(S)
Goku(kaio-ken*3): 24,000(loss of strength)
Vegeta(Gallic-hou): 24,000
Goku(kaio-ken*3+kamehameha): 24,000
Goku(kaio-ken*4): 24,000-28,000(loss of strength)
Goku(kaio-ken*4+kamehameha): 24,000-28,000
Vegeta(oozaru): 50,000-150,000(lossed strength from battle)
Gohan(oozaru): 5,000-16,000


Freiza saga:
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Gohan: 1,500-2,000
Kuririn: 1,500-2,000
Freiza thugs: 1,100-1,500
Vegeta: 23,000-25,000
Kewie: 18,500-19,000
Dodoria: 21,000
Zaabon: 22,000
Namek warriors: 1,000(S)
Namek W(max): 3,000(S)
Zaabon(monster form): 28,000-30,000
Vegeta(healed against Zaabon in round 1): 30,000
Gohan(old namek power-up): 23,000-25,000
Kuririn(old namek power-up): 20,000-21,000
Gurudo: 1,000-10,000
Rikuum: 30,000-50,000
Baata: 30,000-50,000
Jisu: 30,000-50,000
Goku(surpressed): 5,000(S)
Goku(against Baata, Jisu, and Rikuum): 60,000(S)
Ginyu(using half power): 60,000
goku(max): 90,000(S)
Goku(kaio-ken): 180,000(S)
Ginyu(if at max): 120,000(S)
Ginyu(in Goku's body): 23,000(S)
Gohan(healed from Rikuum fight):27,000-35,000
Kuririn(healed from Rikuum fight): 25,500-27,000
Vegeta(healed from Rikuum fight): 100,000-160,000
Neiru: 42,000(S)
Freiza(form 1, 60%): 318,000
Pikkoro: 43,000-100,000
Vegeta(after rest): 340,000-370,000
Gohan: same PL against Ginyu(in Goku's body)
Kuririn: same PL against Ginyu(in Goku's body)
Freiza(form 1, 70%): 371,000
Freiza(form 1, if at max): 530,000(S)
Freiza(form 2, 60%): 600,000-1,100,000
Gohan(angry at Freiza form 2 attacks): 600,000-1,500,000
Kuririn(healed from Freiza form 2 attacks):30,000-40,000
Gohan(healed from Freiza form 2): 35,000-50,000
Pikkoro(fused with Neiru, wearing weights):500,000-1,100,000
Freiza(form 2, 90%): 900,000-1,500,000
Pikkoro(taking off weights): 900,000-1,650,000
Freiza(form 2, if at max):1,000,000-1,850,000
Freiza(form 3, 60%): 2,000,000-4,000,000
Gohan(angry at Freiza form 3): 1,800,000-3,800,000
Pikkoro(healed from Freiza form 2 attacks): 1,000,000-1,800,000
Freiza(form 3, if at max): 3,400,000-7,000,000


Freiza(form 4, 20%): 4,500,000-20,000,000
Vegeta(healed from Kuririn blast): Even with Freiza form 4 20%
Freiza(form 4, 30%): 6,750,000-30,000,000
Goku(if he used base): 620,000-2,800,000
Goku(kaio-ken*10): 6,200,000-28,000,000
Freiza(form 4, 50%): 11,250,000-50,000,000
Goku(kaio-ken*20, lossed some power): 10,000,000-49,000,000
Freiza(form 4, 70%): 15,750,000-70,000,000
SSJ Goku: Even with Freiza form 4, max
Freiza(form 4, max): 22,500,000-100,000,000

[Nantuko Joe]

Oh, god. Now this is gonna turn into a debate about DBZ power levels

Here are the power levels. Any non-official levels are in blue. However, those non-official levels are accurate, guesstimate-type levels. <span style='font-size:10pt;line-height:100%'>Please!</span>Read the levels first, then any explanations before disputing the levels. Many of them may seem unbelievable, but if you think for a little while you will realize that they are quite accurate

<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>DBZ</span>
Fight With Raditsu
Farmer w/ Shotgun: 5
Raditsu: 1,100
Piccolo with weighted suit: 322
Piccolo: 408
Goku with weighted suit: 334
Goku: 416
Piccolo's 1st Makankosappo: 1,330
Piccolo's 2nd Makankosappo: 1,440
Gohan: between 1-1,370 (changes w/emotion)

After the Battle
Muten Roshi: 139
Umi-game: 0.001
Kuririn: 206
Yamucha: 177
Tenshinhan: 250
Piccolo: 329

Fight With Nappa & Vegeta
Saibamen: 1,200 each
Yamucha: 1,480
Piccolo: 1,220*
Gohan: 981*
Gohan's Masenko: 2,800
Nappa: 4,000
Goku: 5,000
Goku Kaioken x1: 8,000
Goku Kaioken x2: 16,000
Goku Kaioken x3: 24,000
Goku Kaioken x4: 32,000
Vegeta: 15,000**
Vegeta at Max: 18,000**
Vegeta's Gallic Haou: 24,000
Ozourou Vegeta: 180,000
Vegeta Vs Ozourou Gohan: <9,810
Ozourou Gohan: 9,810
*Piccolo and Gohan's levels are in blue because they can mask their power, lowering and raising it. Those are just the scouter readings.
**Although Akira gave Vegeta a power of 18,000 originally, Kaioken x2 Goku gave him a run for his money. Therefore, I believe that Vegeta had lowered his power level, or was simply "relaxing", and thus his power level was a little lower. Then, when he started to take the fight seriously, he simply went back up to his 18,000 normal power.

Arrival on Namek
Gohan: 1,500
Kuririn: 1,500
Furiza's Men: <1,000
Vegeta: 24,000
Kui: 15,000
Dudoria: 21,000
Zarbon: 23,000
Zarbon Monster: 33,000
Namek Fighters: 3,000

Later on on Namek
Vegeta Vs. Zarbon Monster: 35,000
Kuririn after power-up: 10,000
Gohan after power-up: 10,000

Ginyu Force
Vegeta: 24,000
Vegeta's Max Power: 35,000
Gerudo: 5,000
Rikum: 40,000
Jisu: 50,000
Baata: 45,000
Ginyu: 120,000
Goku (supressed): 5,000
Goku Vs. Jisu & Baata: bursts of 60,000
Goku Max Power: 90,000
Goku Kaioken: 180,000

Death of Ginyu Force
Ginyu in Goku's Body: 23,000
Vegeta: 80,000*
Vegeta's Max Power: 530,000*
Kuririn: 17,000
Gohan: 20,000
Nail: 45,000
Furiza: 530,000
Furiza Form 2: 1,060,000
*The first level of Vegeta, the one of 80,000, seems kinda accurate, because he was fighting. Although the level of 530,000 looks like one heck of a stretch, when he and Furiza grasped hands, they were dead even in power. However, when they let go, Furiza was fine, but Vegeta was breathing heavily, thus indicating a HUGE expenditure of ki to raise himself to that level.

Fight with Furiza
Piccolo Fused w/Nail: 800,000*
Furiza Form 2: 1,060,000
Furiza Form 3: 2,500,000
Furiza Form 4, 33% Power: 4,000,000
Gohan Vs. Furiza Form 2: bursts of 1,100,000**
Gohan Vs. Furiza Form 3: bursts of 3,000,000**
Vegeta Max Power Vs. Furiza Form 4, 33%: 1,000,000
*Although Piccolo is a match for Furiza, he has a lower power level. He is able to match Furiza because he is quicker and more cunning than his opponent.
**These levels for Gohan may seem unbelievable, but they make sense. Gohan really battered around Furiza Form 2 after he attacked Kuririn. And against Furiza Form 3, if Gohan's blast had hit the ground, Furiza would have been dead.

Goku Vs. Furiza
Furiza Form 4, 33% Power: 4,000,000
Furiza Form 4, 50% Power: 6,000,000
Furiza Form 4, 70% Power: 8,400,000
Furiza Form 4, 100% Power: 12,000,000
Goku: 300,000*
Goku Kaioken x10: 3,000,000
Goku Kaioken x20: 6,000,000
SSJ Goku: 15,000,000**
*Although Goku has a base power of 300,000, he does not fight Furiza with his base power.
**Although Goku is 3,000,000 levels higher than Furiza, Furiza is an extremely cunning and quick warrior, which makes it seem that he and Goku are evenly powered.

Furiza on Earth
Trunks: 5 (supressed)
SSJ Trunks: 35,000,000
Cyborg Furiza: 25,000,000
King Kold: 30,000,000
SSJ Goku: 40,000,000

<span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>After this point, ALL levels are guesses!</span>
Android/Cell Saga
SSJ Goku: 45,000,000
SSJ Goku (sick w/virus): <20,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 45,000,000
SSJ Vegeta: 47,000,000
Piccolo: 20,000,000
Gohan: 15,000,000
Android 20: 15,000,000
Android 19: 20,000,000
Android 18: 55,000,000
Android 17: 60,000,000
Android 16: 65,000,000
Piccolo (after merge w/Kami): 60,000,000
Cell: 60,000,000
Cell (after absorbing humans): 65,000,000
Imperfect Cell: 80,000,000
Perfect Cell: 150,000,000
SSJ Vegeta: 100,000,000
USSJ Trunks: 125,000,000
USSJ Trunks Max Power: 145,000,000

Cell Game
Mr. Sataan: 40
Piccolo: 80,000,000
Android 16: 70,000,000
Perfect Cell: 150,000,000
Super Perfect Cell: 200,000,000
Imperfect Cell's Explosion: 150,000,000
SSJ Vegeta: 125,000,000
SSJ Goku: 150,000,000
Goku's Kamehameha: 155,000,000
USSJ Trunks: 145,000,000
SSJ Gohan: 100,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan: 200,000,000

Buu Saga
Piccolo: 150,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan: 190,000,000*
SSJ2 Vegeta: 240,000,000
SSJ2 Goku: 260,000,000
Chibi Trunks: 35,000,000
SSJ Chibi Trunks: 95,000,000
Goten: 30,000,000
SSJ Goten: 90,000,000
Android 18: 60,000,000
Kaioshin: 100,000,000
Kibito: 110,000,000
Yamoo: 10,000,000
Supopovitch: 10,000,000
Babidi: 5,000,000
Dabura: 200,000,000
Fat Buu: 300,000,000
Ma-jinn Vegeta: 260,000,000
SSJ3 Goku: 350,000,000
Ma-jinn Buu: 310,000,000
Gotenks: 220,000,000
SSJ Gotenks: 300,000,000
SSJ3 Gotenks: 400,000,000
Ma-jinn Buu (w/SSJ3 Gotenks & Piccolo): 450,000,000
Gohan's Zet Sword: 360,000,000
Mystic Gohan: 400,000,000
Ma-jinn Buu (w/Trunks, Goten, & Piccolo): 375,000,000
Ma-jinn Buu (w/Trunks, Goten, Piccolo & Gohan): 425,000,000
Vegetto: 600,000,000
Kid Buu: 500,000,000
Goku's Chao Genki Dama: 550,000,000
* Vegeta states while Gohan is fighting Dabura that because Gohan had not trained in seven years, he has actually become WEAKER than he was when he fought Cell.

Those are my power levels. Love them, hate them, dispute them, or agree with them. That is what I have figured out, and that is the way I will keep them (unless a mistake involving 0s is found in here.

And if any of you want to debate these levels, be my guest

[stjames]

what about gt ??? like pam truks well goku when he turns small again ???

[Nantuko Joe]

what about gt like pam truks well goku when he turns small again

Oh, god. another fan of the royally $hitty GT...

1.) The series never officially happened. There's a SINGLE teeny event in GT that proves this fact. It's just like the DBZ movies: they never happened.

2.) Even if it DID happen, there is NO WAY to calculate pls for the GT series, because there's no way to compare them to the end of DBZ levels.

[pip99]

omg how do u know all that power level crap..

[Nantuko Joe]

Countless hours of watching DBZ, reading some of the manga pages, and hundreds of mathematical calculations.

[PARADISE-X]

[quoteost_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]Countless hours of watching DBZ, reading some of the manga pages, and hundreds of mathematical calculations.[/quote]
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[Nantuko Joe]

Yes, i know (I'm guessing you said "$hit"). Watching DBZ for like a week is fun, but trying to take note of subtle $hit and power statements is annoying. That, plus the fact that my computer and version of RealPlayer sucks, made it a very LONG process