Street fighter vs. dragon ball(not counting gt.... - Or anything contradtcing the manga)

[TarkanX]

Tarkan, I was just about ready to accept your pls for Furiza (that at 100% power form 4 he was around 20 million), but then I remembered something: Goku was at 90,000 max while fighting Ginyu. After he healed (and went SSJ), then he must have been at 20 million to combat Furiza, right?

He was at 90,000 max against Ginyu yes, then he got healed, since he was beaten up BADLY, then the healing gave him a huge power-up to around 600,000. And when he first went SSJ for the first time, he got a huge increase. SSJ Goku was even with form 4 freiza at max.

So, how the hell could Goku go from a 90 thousand max to a 20 million max in the matter of a few episodes? Here, I have charted Goku's various growths during DBZ:

Goku was healed in the healing room, then SSJ gave him a HUGE increase...

Goku Vs: Radditsu (w/o weighted clothing): 416
Goku's Kamehameha: 924

yep

Now, we can consider his power level using the Kame Hame Ha as his max power. Now, the next level we have for Goku is while fighting Nappa. At his max power (after powering up), he was around 8,000. That would indicate a 850% increase in his power (if my math is correct).

He was "over 8,000", around 8,100 when fighting Nappa, he got up there because of Kaio-sama(king kai), Kaio-sama's training was special training. He got to learn the kaio-ken, and the Genki-dama, and was sustaining in gravity....

His Kamehameha wasn't his max power, or he'd be using 924 the whole fight... the kamehameha when the power level was raised is called dormant ki. Dormant ki is when you can raise your power level by doing other such attacks like kamehameha, and so on... and Goku got an increase of about 19x.

Now, not counting Kaio-kens during this period, his max was around 8,000. The next level we have for him is at 90,000 on namek. Going from 8,000 to 90,000 would indicate around a 1,100% increase in his power.

That's because Goku trained in harsh gravity level, he trained in 100x earths gravity! That's an increase of about 11x.

Now, we can't determine the next time Goku maxes out without using the Kaio-ken, because he was using it the entire fight with Furiza.

Well Goku was using kk*10 against freiza form 4 at 30%, and was almost even with Freiza, just deduct Gokus power by 10, and whatever freiza's PL is, Goku at kk*10 is close to it.....

Therefore, the next max level we would have for Goku would be SSJ Goku at his max.

yep.....

Since you have Furiza listed at around 20 million, let's assume that Goku was also at 20 million (they were pretty evenly-matched during the fight. That would indicate a 22,200% increase in his power. 22,200%! In about a day! For Goku to increase the 850% to fight Nappa, it took a whole year. To increase the 1,100% increase it took I think a month, while training under extremely harsh conditions (100x earths gravity). Now, for someone to make a 22,200% increase just by being healed and transforming in a day or so seems extremely unrealistic, even compared to normal DBZ growth levels.

That's because SSJ level was a huge increase, since he turned SSJ for the first time... now the SSJ form decreases each time, it went from like 60x increase or whatever in the frieza saga, to a 4x increase in the Buu saga(proven by kiris, and weights).

[SBYRD5]

NANTUKO JOE and Tarkan X check this out.....

Frieza(from 4-33.33%):4,000,000
So for Goku to match Frezia he was fighting with Kaioken times 12 between 15.
At Frieza or (Fruzia) max (form 4-100%):12,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku:15,000,000
Note: Frezia used 33.33% of his power fighting Vegeta both times in first form(Form1):530,000 and last (Form4):4,000,000
Level first fight(Vegeta:120,000)Level secound fight(Vegeta:300,000)
Also Vegeta was stronger than Goku two times in the series
Frieza Saga and Android Saga.

ANDROID SAGA
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Super Saiyan Goku(not sick): 25,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku(sick):10,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 27,000,000
Android 19:10,000,000
Android 20(Doctor Gero): 5,000,000
Piccolo was also the strongest two saga's being the same as vegeta.
Piccolo: 8,000,000
Piccolo (fused with Kami):40,000,000
Android 16:40,000,000
Android 17:35,000,000
Android 18:35,000,000
Cell(after absorbing humans):45,000,000
Cell(after absorbing Android 17):65,000,000
(AFTER TIME CHAMBER)
Super Saiyan Vegeta:80,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks:90,000,000
Perfect Cell:125,000,000
Ultra Super Saiyan Trunks:135,000,000
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CELL SAGA
Cell(After being healed by Goku):150,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 120,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan: 130,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 100,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks: 105,000,000
Piccolo:55,000,000
SUPER SAIYAN LEVEL 2 GOHAN:325,000,000
SUPER PERFECT CELL(cell after explosion):300,000,000


I'll post more power levels if you want Tarkan X....

[TarkanX]

Please stop with all those wrong Power levels.... those were the same Nantuko Joe posted at senshuk, and other various places...

[SBYRD5]

thankx I didn't know ???

[SSJKarma]

My POV is the best in here !

i cant believe iv'e been trown away by you tarkan, even you nantuko... i thought you would agree with me !

i'll reexplain the whole thing !

KI or CHI = Power Level
Training = what making it raise !

so basically, without training your Power Level cannot raise !

so anyone including krillin can be at a really high PL !
the thing is, SAIYENS are the big heroes in the DBZ universe so it's just normal they are Way higher than the others ! want some example of my POV, fine ill give you some !

Videl w/o ki = strong as her father
videl with ki = stronger than her father

how did she get higher by TRAINING to use her ki
krillin,yamcha,chaosu,tenshinhan were all equals to goku in DB how did goku surpasses em ? simply because he is the hero of the serie and he is saiyen so his PL raise with each battle just like all the saiyen !

the saiyen here are just to overpowered by toriyama cause THEY are HEROES in the serie not the others ! so basically, even yamcha could have defeated those androids ! (theoricaly)

im pretty sure that if the saiyen werent raising their PL by fighting and getting near death they would have the same PL as all the others !

the thing is w/o training none of them all could have defeated a single saibaman !

that's the whole thought i had when i said that they were all equals in the end !

last example, why is mr. satan is the best ? cause he trained to be !

[TarkanX]

KI or CHI = Power Level
Training = what making it raise !

so basically, without training your Power Level cannot raise !

ki means energy which means power level, training is what makes it raise... And without training, the PL doesnt raise, and the PL goes down(stated in the Buu saga... Gohan, and Yamucha didn't train for those 7 years).

so anyone including krillin can be at a really high PL !
the thing is, SAIYENS are the big heroes in the DBZ universe so it's just normal they are Way higher than the others ! want some example of my POV, fine ill give you some !

Krillin could have a high PL even if he was human, but the only power ups he got in DB"Z" was the training with Kami-sama which raised his PL from 206 to 1,500, and the old Namek power up which raised his PL from around 1,700 to 24,000.

Krillin never had any special power-up or training after that...

Videl w/o ki = strong as her father
videl with ki = stronger than her father

I would say Videl is probably weaker than her father without the real training, but then she got much stronger than her father...

how did she get higher by TRAINING to use her ki
krillin,yamcha,chaosu,tenshinhan were all equals to goku in DB how did goku surpasses em ? simply because he is the hero of the serie and he is saiyen so his PL raise with each battle just like all the saiyen !

Krillin was almost near Goku when the first met, Yamucha wasn't near Goku, but close enough to compete with him, Tenshinhan was even with Goku in one of the bodoukai's then Goku grew stronger, Goku is stronger than chaotzu...

and Saiya-jins PL doesn't grow after a fight, it grows when they train, go to another level, or get healed after having their body savagely beaten...

the saiyen here are just to overpowered by toriyama cause THEY are HEROES in the serie not the others ! so basically, even yamcha could have defeated those androids ! (theoricaly)

If Yamucha had the same training as the Saiya-jins, but didn't have any forms like the Saiya-jins, Yamucha still wouldn't stand a chance against the android 17 and 18 or 16, but he would beat android 19 and 20....

im pretty sure that if the saiyen werent raising their PL by fighting and getting near death they would have the same PL as all the others !

Nope, your forgetting about the SSJ forms.....

the thing is w/o training none of them all could have defeated a single saibaman !

That's really true, they'd get slaughtered...

last example, why is mr. satan is the best ? cause he trained to be !

Mr. Satan doesn't show any display of power in the manga, the only power he shows is winning the tenkaichi bodoukais... against average humans who train...

If I had rate Mr, Satan's PL, I'd put him at 10 at lowest, and 15 at tops.

The average humans PL is 5, and average humans who train are probably 7 or 8.

hmm.... the fighters who were fighting in the tenkaichi bodoukai on the day Goku was alive for one day got an average of about 90, and Mr. Satan got 137, that probably makes Mr. Satan 50% stronger, so if the fighters in the tourney were at 8, that'd make Mr. Satan at 12.

[TarkanX]

*bump*

[SSJKarma]

you're just saying exactly what i meant TarkanX !

i dont remember who, but someone said DB would win cause of their PL. what i replyed was that even SF chars could get to that level if they had training like the DB one got !

TarkanX: it is stated in the serie that after every fight, saiyens get a little boost in PL ! vegeta didn't get any power-up when he was beaten by zarbon 2nd form and when he came back he beated it easily !

unless it is not stated in the manga (cant believe it, if it hasn't happen) then what i said is real true !

krillin and the rest of the gang (yamcha,tien,chaozu) had more than 1 million (but i dont think they had more then 5) cause they wouldn't have had any chances against the androids (19 and 20, not the others)...

it was stated in the serie (again, i dont know about the manga) that they were way more powerfull (all of the zwarriors) that what they were suppose to be !

[TarkanX]

TarkanX: it is stated in the serie that after every fight, saiyens get a little boost in PL ! vegeta didn't get any power-up when he was beaten by zarbon 2nd form and when he came back he beated it easily !

No it wasnt stated saiya-jins grow their PL after every fight, it was stated that saiya-jins grow their PL after they get almost beaten to death.

krillin and the rest of the gang (yamcha,tien,chaozu) had more than 1 million (but i dont think they had more then 5) cause they wouldn't have had any chances against the androids (19 and 20, not the others)...

They werent at one million, the only one likely to be at least cose to one million would be Tenshinhan...

We know that Krillin in the Cell saga and Yamucha wasnt at one million, when Cell died, Krillin stopped training, and Yamucha, and when you dont train, you get weaker, so they werent at one million.

it was stated in the serie (again, i dont know about the manga) that they were way more powerfull (all of the zwarriors) that what they were suppose to be !

Don't know about that, I just know that they are strong

[SSJKarma]

It was stated by dr. gero himself !

something:"i come my calculation were so wrong about their PL's" he was talking about every ZWarrior.

i dont know if that meant something, but i can tell by that sentence that they were all way much stronger than what they were 3 years ago ! so they had to be stronger than 1 million or at least they were real close to it !

krillin stops training when he get married with 18 and get a child (family obligation)

dont know if its true, but had tien fight in a way in the buu saga ? i know he dodged the genocide attack, but i heard had helped gohan without being notice ! (deviation of a blast)

is this true ?