Street fighter vs. dragon ball(not counting gt.... - Or anything contradtcing the manga) - Page 2

TarkanX · 06-03-2002, 07:51 PM

It's just funny how people like to exaggerate the DB characters. Cell can't go fast the the speed of light, SSJ2 Gohan can't go fast than the speed of light. only people as strong as SSJ Gotenks and up can go faster than the speed of light. Some DB characters can't blow up the earth. Krillin for example can't, he has a lot of chi, but not enough to destroy the earth(he can destroy a huge portion of the earth though).

None of the humans are stronger than Freiza, I'd debate whether Krillin or Tenshinhan were stronger than Freiza form 1, or weaker.

Vegetas final flash would destroy the world if it was directly aimed at it, but it was aimed at Cell, so it didn't destroy him.

Now to give out some SF points:

Akuma can destroy a huge mountain in one blow(SF3: double impact ending)

Akuma can stay under DEEP water(500 meters below sea level) for hours, even days, which none of the Z warriors can do.(SF3: third strike ending)

Akuma can destroy a huge boat with one attack(SF3: third strike ending)

Gill can conrtol fire and ice anywhere(so that means he can make fire appear under your ass when he's 1,000 miles away)

Gill can bring fire and ice out of the heavens, and deep below anytime.

Gill has the power to change the earths temperature.

Gill has godly powers, this is shown when he does the seraphic wing, he grows angel wings, and destroys anything in his path.

Don't take the animated movies for canon, look at the gameplay.

And physicals, not all of the Z warriors can blow up the earth with one finger(Krillin, Chaotzu, Tenshinhan, Yamucha).

ZeroEna · 06-03-2002, 07:58 PM

yeah that happenes if you lose to bison happened with Ken of course then Ryu storms in and goes scitsofranick and Kills Bison because Ryu and Ken are Like brothers or something. and with Akuma (still don't know how I even got that far with him) with his energy he blows up the world. And besides Ryu could beat Piccalo with his super whirlwind kick (can't remember the actual name) and I'm sure Dahasalam could beat Krillin. heh wonder what a Bison vs. SuperBoo fight would be like. And FYI Prince there was only one Street fighter movie wasent that good either well for the time I guess it was good. But the fight against Bison was like the best part. and also the series was discontnued.

ZeroEna · 06-03-2002, 07:59 PM

yeah that happens if you lose to bison happened with Ken of course then Ryu storms in and goes scitsofranick and Kills Bison because Ryu and Ken are Like brothers or something. and with Akuma (still don't know how I even got that far with him) with his energy he blows up the world. And besides Ryu could beat Piccalo with his super whirlwind kick (can't remember the actual name) and I'm sure Dahasalam could beat Krillin. heh wonder what a Bison vs. SuperBoo fight would be like. And FYI Prince there was only one Street fighter movie wasent that good either well for the time I guess it was good. But the fight against Bison was like the best part. and also the series was discontnued.

err sorry about the double poast my comp froze.

TarkanX · 06-03-2002, 08:01 PM

I doubt Ryu could beat Piccolo, unless he gave into the Dark Hadou.

darklink · 06-03-2002, 08:16 PM

well actually they do move the speed of light........ remember when dbz first started and they were fighting radditz......... picollo tried to hit him with a KI attack and radditz dodged...... after that piccolo said he can move at the speed of light..... you can go look if you want

SSJKarma · 06-03-2002, 08:30 PM

they are right tarkan !
for someone to disappear from your sight by just running they have to go to the speed of light so they are fast enought to do it !

remember SSJ goku vs Freeza ?
they were moving so fast that the whole sceneray got slowed down for us to see them fight !

anyway, i think TarkanX here as a point... we wouldn't know who would win cause if we take the DB series not DBZ they aren't that strong and need lots of time to gather ki !

Dan Hibiki · 06-03-2002, 08:34 PM

Basing my judgement solely on techniques and not at all on powers, it would be a tie.

The Hadouken and Dark Hadou are similar to the Kikou Ha.

The Messatsu no Hadou and Shinkuu Hadouken (versus series forms) are comparable to the Kame Hame Ha, Galiku Hou, and Final Flash.

Messatsu no Zankuu (versus series form) is comparable to the Renzoku Kikou Ha attack.

The Shinkuu Tatsumaki Senpukyaku (somewhat) and the Shippu Jinraisu (sp) are very similar to Goku's Abesergi Kick (named only in games, performed on Perfect Cell in the Cell games).

Akuma, Evil Ryu, and Evil Sakura's teleportation move (God I feel dumb for forgetting the name) is comporable to Goku and King Kai's Shunkan Idou (that's Instant Transmission for you dubbies).
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On another note, TarkanX is correct that no DBZ character has the capacity for speeds at or beyond the speed of light, necessarily. The anime is not accurate in showing the increase in speed and strength, or these long, grueling 20-minute segments of fighting would start to be crammed into perhaps 30 seconds, judging by my calculations (I have no life, I admit it) of how much faster they should have become, and how fast the anime shows them moving. The manga allows you to use your imagination, eliminating this slow-mo play-by-play on TV.

Another factor is that if their speeds are indeed approaching the speed of light, Einsteins theory of relativity (that space and time are intertwined) comes into play. The fighters would experience a slowdown of time in comparison to the rest of the world, but they would see the rest of the world as moving VERY quickly. In effect, the two fighters would travel forwards in time in perspective to the crowd of watching people, making their movements APPEAR to be faster than the speed of light, when in reality by the fighters' perspective they are not travelling that fast.
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Anybody who can understand what I said care to debate my points

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SSJKarma · 06-03-2002, 08:59 PM

you're right about what eisntein said about space and time...
but no one could ever test his theory, so how could you know that it's true ?

and another question for you:
what speed does it take to vanish completely from sight ?
cause that's exactly what happen in dbz !
and look at fact like the DB series made in the fight with jackie chun vs krillin !
in 1 second they did about 20 moves each other !
jackie chun zanzoken technique is done by moving real fast !
so what speed does it takes to let an image behind you ?
he even let 3 of em ! and goku this it too and letted 4 images...

i dont know the speed but i can only guess they were at the speed of light. and in the freeza fight goku himself stopped and look around himself to try and understand why the whole planet was that slow compared to him ! so i can say he actually was fast enought to completely slow down a whole planet !

06-03-2002, 09:44 PM

Now think for a moment. If the DB fighters could move at the speed of light, what would be the point of the instant transmission? Things disappear from your eyes even when they're not moving at the speed of light. Can you see a bullet that's fired? It's not even close to the speed of light.

God Gouki · 06-03-2002, 11:27 PM

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ost_uid0="princevegetam"]most dbz characters are faster than the speed of light and sound. of course they'll win a ground battle. goku has even said it himself that he perfers fighting on the ground rather than the air. dbz characters can do energy attacks on the ground! how the hell do you think gohan managed to defeat cell?! a kamehameha like that would've destroyed the earth, so both cell and gohan did kamehamehas against each other on the ground. vegeta's final flash attack could easily blow up new york. can any sf characters do that?[/quote]
...M. Bison maybe., Akuma, with a tap of my fist, I mean his fist to the ground would blow any land!

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06-03-2002, 07:58 PM	#12
ZeroEna Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: L2 Posts: 885 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	yeah that happenes if you lose to bison happened with Ken of course then Ryu storms in and goes scitsofranick and Kills Bison because Ryu and Ken are Like brothers or something. and with Akuma (still don't know how I even got that far with him) with his energy he blows up the world. And besides Ryu could beat Piccalo with his super whirlwind kick (can't remember the actual name) and I'm sure Dahasalam could beat Krillin. heh wonder what a Bison vs. SuperBoo fight would be like. And FYI Prince there was only one Street fighter movie wasent that good either well for the time I guess it was good. But the fight against Bison was like the best part. and also the series was discontnued. __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://www.moonlotus.net/themesong/roadtothewest.jpg[/img:sig_uid] "To those with dreams... let them fly high" "I make my own destiny!!!"

06-03-2002, 07:59 PM	#13
ZeroEna Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: L2 Posts: 885 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	yeah that happens if you lose to bison happened with Ken of course then Ryu storms in and goes scitsofranick and Kills Bison because Ryu and Ken are Like brothers or something. and with Akuma (still don't know how I even got that far with him) with his energy he blows up the world. And besides Ryu could beat Piccalo with his super whirlwind kick (can't remember the actual name) and I'm sure Dahasalam could beat Krillin. heh wonder what a Bison vs. SuperBoo fight would be like. And FYI Prince there was only one Street fighter movie wasent that good either well for the time I guess it was good. But the fight against Bison was like the best part. and also the series was discontnued. err sorry about the double poast my comp froze. __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://www.moonlotus.net/themesong/roadtothewest.jpg[/img:sig_uid] "To those with dreams... let them fly high" "I make my own destiny!!!"

06-03-2002, 08:30 PM	#16
SSJKarma Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canada somewhere in the province of quebec Posts: 5,445 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	they are right tarkan ! for someone to disappear from your sight by just running they have to go to the speed of light so they are fast enought to do it ! remember SSJ goku vs Freeza ? they were moving so fast that the whole sceneray got slowed down for us to see them fight ! anyway, i think TarkanX here as a point... we wouldn't know who would win cause if we take the DB series not DBZ they aren't that strong and need lots of time to gather ki ! __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://membres.lycos.fr/imagesforum/Banner.gif[/img:sig_uid] "How did you escape my grasp ? no matter, i'll crush you now !" -DB : Lost Soul My Web Site http://membres.lycos.fr/xmvssf/

06-03-2002, 07:51 PM	#11
TarkanX Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota Posts: 3,043 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	It's just funny how people like to exaggerate the DB characters. Cell can't go fast the the speed of light, SSJ2 Gohan can't go fast than the speed of light. only people as strong as SSJ Gotenks and up can go faster than the speed of light. Some DB characters can't blow up the earth. Krillin for example can't, he has a lot of chi, but not enough to destroy the earth(he can destroy a huge portion of the earth though). None of the humans are stronger than Freiza, I'd debate whether Krillin or Tenshinhan were stronger than Freiza form 1, or weaker. Vegetas final flash would destroy the world if it was directly aimed at it, but it was aimed at Cell, so it didn't destroy him. Now to give out some SF points: Akuma can destroy a huge mountain in one blow(SF3: double impact ending) Akuma can stay under DEEP water(500 meters below sea level) for hours, even days, which none of the Z warriors can do.(SF3: third strike ending) Akuma can destroy a huge boat with one attack(SF3: third strike ending) Gill can conrtol fire and ice anywhere(so that means he can make fire appear under your ass when he's 1,000 miles away) Gill can bring fire and ice out of the heavens, and deep below anytime. Gill has the power to change the earths temperature. Gill has godly powers, this is shown when he does the seraphic wing, he grows angel wings, and destroys anything in his path. Don't take the animated movies for canon, look at the gameplay. And physicals, not all of the Z warriors can blow up the earth with one finger(Krillin, Chaotzu, Tenshinhan, Yamucha).

06-03-2002, 08:01 PM	#14
TarkanX Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota Posts: 3,043 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	I doubt Ryu could beat Piccolo, unless he gave into the Dark Hadou.

06-03-2002, 08:16 PM	#15
darklink Senior Member Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 186 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	well actually they do move the speed of light........ remember when dbz first started and they were fighting radditz......... picollo tried to hit him with a KI attack and radditz dodged...... after that piccolo said he can move at the speed of light..... you can go look if you want

06-03-2002, 08:34 PM	#17
Dan Hibiki Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: City. House. Warm house. Posts: 1,510 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	Basing my judgement solely on techniques and not at all on powers, it would be a tie. The Hadouken and Dark Hadou are similar to the Kikou Ha. The Messatsu no Hadou and Shinkuu Hadouken (versus series forms) are comparable to the Kame Hame Ha, Galiku Hou, and Final Flash. Messatsu no Zankuu (versus series form) is comparable to the Renzoku Kikou Ha attack. The Shinkuu Tatsumaki Senpukyaku (somewhat) and the Shippu Jinraisu (sp) are very similar to Goku's Abesergi Kick (named only in games, performed on Perfect Cell in the Cell games). Akuma, Evil Ryu, and Evil Sakura's teleportation move (God I feel dumb for forgetting the name) is comporable to Goku and King Kai's Shunkan Idou (that's Instant Transmission for you dubbies). ------------------------------------------------------------ On another note, TarkanX is correct that no DBZ character has the capacity for speeds at or beyond the speed of light, necessarily. The anime is not accurate in showing the increase in speed and strength, or these long, grueling 20-minute segments of fighting would start to be crammed into perhaps 30 seconds, judging by my calculations (I have no life, I admit it) of how much faster they should have become, and how fast the anime shows them moving. The manga allows you to use your imagination, eliminating this slow-mo play-by-play on TV. Another factor is that if their speeds are indeed approaching the speed of light, Einsteins theory of relativity (that space and time are intertwined) comes into play. The fighters would experience a slowdown of time in comparison to the rest of the world, but they would see the rest of the world as moving VERY quickly. In effect, the two fighters would travel forwards in time in perspective to the crowd of watching people, making their movements APPEAR to be faster than the speed of light, when in reality by the fighters' perspective they are not travelling that fast. ------------------------------------------------------------ Anybody who can understand what I said care to debate my points ? __________________ With great power comes great responsibility. Details, details... I'll show you power! I'll make you cry like when my goldfish died!!!

06-03-2002, 08:59 PM	#18
SSJKarma Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canada somewhere in the province of quebec Posts: 5,445 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	you're right about what eisntein said about space and time... but no one could ever test his theory, so how could you know that it's true ? and another question for you: what speed does it take to vanish completely from sight ? cause that's exactly what happen in dbz ! and look at fact like the DB series made in the fight with jackie chun vs krillin ! in 1 second they did about 20 moves each other ! jackie chun zanzoken technique is done by moving real fast ! so what speed does it takes to let an image behind you ? he even let 3 of em ! and goku this it too and letted 4 images... i dont know the speed but i can only guess they were at the speed of light. and in the freeza fight goku himself stopped and look around himself to try and understand why the whole planet was that slow compared to him ! so i can say he actually was fast enought to completely slow down a whole planet ! __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://membres.lycos.fr/imagesforum/Banner.gif[/img:sig_uid] "How did you escape my grasp ? no matter, i'll crush you now !" -DB : Lost Soul My Web Site http://membres.lycos.fr/xmvssf/

06-03-2002, 09:44 PM	#19
Guest Posts: n/a Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): Thanks (Received): Likes (Given): Likes (Received): Dislikes (Given): Dislikes (Received): Points: 0 Mentioned: Post(s) Tagged: Thread(s) Quoted: Post(s)	Now think for a moment. If the DB fighters could move at the speed of light, what would be the point of the instant transmission? Things disappear from your eyes even when they're not moving at the speed of light. Can you see a bullet that's fired? It's not even close to the speed of light.

06-03-2002, 11:27 PM	#20
God Gouki Member New Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 87 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	[quoteost_uid0="princevegetam"]most dbz characters are faster than the speed of light and sound. of course they'll win a ground battle. goku has even said it himself that he perfers fighting on the ground rather than the air. dbz characters can do energy attacks on the ground! how the hell do you think gohan managed to defeat cell?! a kamehameha like that would've destroyed the earth, so both cell and gohan did kamehamehas against each other on the ground. vegeta's final flash attack could easily blow up new york. can any sf characters do that?[/quote] ...M. Bison maybe., Akuma, with a tap of my fist, I mean his fist to the ground would blow any land!