Who is really in control? - God, humans, the earth, or the universe

[mastergrim8]

the world was created by god no question about it but i heard in this article that the universe is eventualy going to collapse

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

[quoteost_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]

dude, why in the hell are yu bringing up the big bang theory?
i have nothing to do with , conseringthat, or being with that, so lets get off of that.
as for me being retarded, i don't think so, yu f-ucking Buddha worshiper!
next,

I really do think "ur rturded beacuz nut onlee, du u tipe, lic dis but u, also dont. Even understand, wut it is, im: tring to tell u!!11"

Where did I say ANYTHING about the big bang theory?

Do you even know what the big bang theory is?

Do you even know who or what buddhism is?

Are you aware buddha isn't worshiped and is like mohammad, a prophet, in buddhism (A RELIGION I DON'T BELIEVE IN)

Are you aware that after "talkin tu u" i've lost probably all respect I ever once had to religious people as a whole?

VF, yu, sir, needs helps !

i didn't say poop abou the begining of earth. if i am not mistaken, it was yu and (~Miguel~) posting over that crap! now, don't get me wrong , something that yu talk about are sometimes correct , but as a whole, yur i don't listen,b/c yu lie most of the time

Oh yes, I lie.


But the bible! NOOO The bible is correcT! Even though it says the world was made in 7 days, the world is flat and the sun revolves around the earth, NOOO! That's GOT to be true! Oh wait, it also says there's such things as unicorns, witches and winged humans with magical powers called angels! And above all else, there's a big white person in the sky who has the power to do whatever he wants, and yet doesn't because...

why? SHUT UP! THE BIBLE IS CORRECT! THATS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW!

You're ignorant, dude. If you can't stem your mind from believing in such FAIRY TALES, you're ignorant.

No, santa clause doesn't exsist.

No, there is no tooth fairy.

No, if you step on a crack, you won't fall and break your back.

No, there is no god.[/quote]
alraight yu , yu i don't even have a name for yu jack ass! :/

but there is a god , doofus!

want to know why theres a god

how in the hell can a person that's about to die from cancer in a week lives for another 10 years? huh explain jack ass

yur theory is wrong, VF.

go home and study

and i have more how in the hell is a person died for 28 mins and 45 secs said they went to hell and begged go for mercy and he got back in to his body and stuff , man explain this?
i know i act like a nut, but i know sum things that they say

that god" God works in mysterious ways" so yu MOFO explain that , since yur punkass can explain evry thing else

[Elena]

[quoteost_uid0="alamgir"]Err you didn't expect no one to ask where photons came from did you?[/quote]
Actually I was going to ask Mr. Sarah Slater...how does something decay into something bigger...then that.

Y'all should all just agree to disagree....or agree that FLUFFY DINOSAURS CREATED EVERYTHING OR THEY'LL COME AND EAT YOU. rAwr!!!! :sarcasm:

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mega dracos: the thing with cancer is that there is always a percentage of living or dieing, my best friend has cancer and had around a 5% chance of living and he is still living today, even though his cancer has kept on returning he has been doing really well... his cancer was neuroblastoma.



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[alamgir]

[quoteost_uid0="Elena"][quoteost_uid0="alamgir"]Err you didn't expect no one to ask where photons came from did you?[/quote]
Actually I was going to ask Mr. Sarah Slater...how does something decay into something bigger...then that.

Y'all should all just agree to disagree....or agree that FLUFFY DINOSAURS CREATED EVERYTHING OR THEY'LL COME AND EAT YOU. rAwr!!!! :sarcasm:[/quote]
Lol whatever.

[Angel-Eyes]

The bible was written in like 60 years

dubya tee eff

the Bible covers a span of approximately 1600 years

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

o yeah and VF

yu punk bitch

answer this ques .

how come most ppl prayers get answered, if they truly believe in their god?

most ppl say they believe in their god, but more than 60% doesn't
:/ or VF might knowbetter.
~MDXRL

[(~Miguel~)]

Oh yes, I lie.


But the bible! NOOO The bible is correcT! Even though it says the world was made in 7 days, the world is flat and the sun revolves around the earth, NOOO! That's GOT to be true! Oh wait, it also says there's such things as unicorns, witches and winged humans with magical powers called angels! And above all else, there's a big white person in the sky who has the power to do whatever he wants, and yet doesn't because...

why? SHUT UP! THE BIBLE IS CORRECT! THATS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW!

You're ignorant, dude. If you can't stem your mind from believing in such FAIRY TALES, you're ignorant.

No, santa clause doesn't exsist.

No, there is no tooth fairy.

No, if you step on a crack, you won't fall and break your back.

No, there is no god.

White God? There is no White God. only God. Do you know if theres God?? Can you say there is a God? Besides you need to Explain how The bible works. But im not going to argue with you nomare because you have the right to believe in what you belive Miguel OUT



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[Virtual Fighter]

Just as absurd as the answer is... I never used the word "god" or... ur fairy tail wizard. The contrast is eminent. When you sayy God, people automatically think you're argueing from the perspective of the bible... and if youread my whole post, you would notice that in no way did I use the Bible as a guideline to where my line of arguement was coming from.

But you're a christian, right? It doesn't matter if you said it in those word or just dilly dallied around what you meant, i'm gonna talk about YOU and not whatever your argument is.

You're not picking a side, you're remaning undecided. If i'm gonna say "No, there isn't a god, and all religions are wrong", you have to say something dirrectly affermative to it, not "something somewhere at sometime for some reason somehow made us".

Give me something to work with, here.

The one you wish to refer to as wizard gives an utmost explanation to the things you can't explain. This implosion of antimatter shows no proof of anything, just technological findings of how the world MIGHT have progressed. Whether or not it happened 12 or 12 and a half billion years go says nothing about the BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.

But instead of trying to find the answers, you restord to 2000 year old FAIRY tales on your answer.

Instead of finding the TRUE TO LIFE answer, something that uses the elements of science and knowledge we know now can find these answers, we resort o the DUMBING DOWN OF SOCIETY.

The easy answers.

Why does that machine desperse money, mommy?

Because it does, honey.

Why does that machine desperse money, mommy?

Because it is a system that has money inside of it, with a number of it yours. Whenever I push this botton, it gives off a certain amount of everyone's money to me, aslong as it's not over the limit that I have. The money is then subracted from my total, and my new total is the maxiumum amount of money I can take out. If I put more in, my total grows.



Getting the easy way out is the dumbing down of society.

Oh my... and why DO you believe that they are right. Fear ?? If there's anyone afraid, it's the ones who see yet, they choose not to. Why do you believe them ?? Is it cause of the sophistication of the words they have used to try and understand the world. Why do you refer to them as "NOT" being gods. Are gods the only beings to know all ?? Then again... who is to say ??

What else do I believe? A god which i've never seen before or the chemicals of our dailey lives?

The reason I don't believe the bible or any other religion is because they're rediculous.

What might be believable in one idea, is also wrong like 99% of their other ideas. The bible for example. They have one sort of good idea, there is a god. Then they have it that women are original sinners, gays are bad, that noah had ever animal from all over the world, the world is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, that witches and wizards exsist, ect.

One possibly believable fact. The reast are just fairey tales.

Then why do people believe religions? Is it because of their old, primitive language or the fact they did no evidence to prove anything? Is it because they're too dumb to find the true answers? Or is it because they're afraid to find out what might happen to them if they DON'T believe in a god?

Religion is controlled by fear. It's never "Be good and go to heaven", it's "Be good or go to hell". It's not the reward of heaven we're after, it's the fear of hell that keeps us from screwing up.

It's the fear of hell that makes us do what we do, and makes us try to prove ourselves, it's the fear of hell that makes you judge others, and try to put yourself above them. It's the fear of hell that makes us blow planes into buildings and kill yourself in a town square. It's the fear of hell that makes us kill thousands of people, and have them kill thousands of your people.

It's that fear of hell, not that hope in heaven, that runs a religous man's daily life.

The one major thing I know science has created for itself by trying to understand and dig deeper into the beginning of the world, is an endless array of puns that ppl would keep on pulling out of their freaking a-holes for generations to come. Well, if you say that... what happened BEFORE that ??

The idea that there is something is irrational. It goes back to chicken and egg. What made the chicken? he came from an egg, and what made that egg?

If "god" made us, who made god?


AND NO, DON'T GIVE ME THAT FAITH BULLpoop. I just realized the flaw in that. You can't have faith in something you don't know. You have faith in something you do know. For example, I asked kester who made god, he said he has his faith.

Faith in what? What's the answer? For ever question there's an answer. What do you have faith in? The fact you don't know the answer?

"I have faith" is like answering "pineapple".

It's random, out of place "answer".

You want me to "not talk to you about impossibilities", then you bring me evidence of how a photon with energy created the world and stop calling on the name of research that you have NO clue on how they were conducted. How on earth do people come up with such theories as to things that happened 12 billion years ago.

They reasearch it. And they reasearch it ALOT.

Even I can come up with a religion. It's called vfism. And it's the idea that all religions are man made bullpoop.


NOOOO. But you think that's some howbetter than hundereds of years are research. The thing about religions is that they're stories. They're not proven, or have evidence. The evidence they have is always non-sensical and stupid.

Like that retarded "we saw his face on a cloud". "There's a possebility god exsists". There's also a possebility that this entire universe is actually a cell on the ass of a dog, but there's no proof and evidence of it.


OH NO BUT THERE'S A CHANCE. Yeah, a small, stupid, neive chance. What we know is what is real. What we know is real and that is not god.

The reason most people stupidly buy into every page of what science says is cause since it's not as simple as "God created the world, adam and eve" but instead looks quite complicated... then it IS a better explanation to how the world is created.

Yeah, and it seems like it's alot more true. If I were to tell you that chinese people can fly and puerto ricans are made of candy, and someone else told you they can't fly because of gravity and peurto ricans arn't made of candey but a complex system of cells, who would you believe?

OPMG DAT DEY ARE MADE OF CANDY CUZ I LIKE CANDY!@!!11

-_-'

We believe what we see here, but instead you and people like you result to believeing what people said thousands of years ago when they still were using sticks and stones as weapons, thought the world was flat, believe the sun was some sort of living thing and danced around trees to get their magical energy.

There might be a god. There might be. But is relgion right? Even if there is a god, religion is still wrong. Why? Because it is. It's not historically accurate, it's not scientifically accurate, it's illogical and unrational. My stance is not whether there's a god or not, I really don't care to know. If you hold an altimadum on someone, they tend to not be themselves. (i'll get back to this) We don't know that.

What we do know, and it's been proven time and time again, is that the bible, and most all antient religous texts, are wrong.


What we never see from religous people is the "clock maker" idea. The idea grew popularity during the romantic era, and it says that god is a clock maker. What does a clock maker do? He makes clocks, then he lets them go. THAT's more accurate than what we see today, the "god made the world in 7 days then made humans and we're all brothers and then there's witches and the world is flat and the sun revolves around the earth" ideas people believe in.


I think about this alot. I think about this ALOT. Most religious people, I imagine don't. I think about this ALOT. I read the bible. I said, "That's a little wierd". I read some science books. I read some history books. I used my own common knowledge of the world. I came to the conclusion, "No. That's wrong. There weren't 2 people in some magical garden which populated the world. There wasn't a magical arc that could hold thousands of animals. The world isn't flat, the sun doesn't revolve around it and it's been around for BILLIONS of years."

I weighed out my options. Eigther believe what pretty much has been proven, or believe in some 2000 year old book with so many plot holes and flaws it seems like a cowboy after a shoot out.

I thought about it some more. I saw picture of the world from outer space. Hey, the world isn't flat, I told myself. Hey, the sun doesn't revolve around the earth, I told myself. Hey, it wasn't made in 7 days, presto it's done, it must have tooken billions of years to do all this, as we can see from the billions of years of continental drift.


God might be a clock maker. But even the clock maker had a mother. We don't know this, but we need to collect the ideas and data we have now. Is there a clock maker? We don't know. Did a clock maker write a 100% accurate book? No, he didn't.

Do NOT however, put words into my mouth for the sake of not bringing religion into the debate, i haven't used any proceeds from my faith a la biblical evidence.. but instead showed you WHAT some pioneers in science have come to conclude.. that no matter how you try to deduce the world and it's humble yet proud beginnings, it is impossible to leave the designer behind. Whether it was a he, she or... an it.. would be left to debate... but for the design we call the universe, there HAS to be a designer. Whether he sat in a chair... or was in form of a cosmic entity... isn't my place to plunder in this topic.

And unless you pick a real possition, like "I believe the christian god is the right god", instead of this hypothetical bullpoop rapped in random ellipses all over the place, then this isn't your place to "plunder in this topic" eigth, because it's waisting my time.

God would have to be a well designed individual to design all this.

Then who designed god?

Unless you answer that, you don't have any answers, because your "someone had to do it" idea is just as flawed as "no one had to do anything".

What annoys me about ur response is that you've put the bible that I made NO mention of when responding to my reply. Scroll up and you would see that the only thing I took from the Bible was Jesus.. and in THAT context I put other religious entities.. without making the focal point of my arguement.

Uhh, because you're christian. Everyone else here is christian or muslim, but the muslims havn't posted enough detailed information for me to try to post information exclusive to them.

What annoys me about you is you try to take a hypothetical stance on it. You're asking what if. I'm asking what if you actually say what you mean instead of trying to sound like everytime you talk there's a soft piano and a backdrop of stars behind you.

All in all, my stand is simple. Whether or not you want to refer to this Being as a comical wizards to impress the foolishness of man, isn't of any concern. But those who believe have a full understanding to what they believe in. Can you even tell me what's in an atom without googling it right now ?? Could you tell me why there is a positive charged proton and negatively charged electron ??

In an atom there's a proton, a nuetron and an electron. Sometimes more one than another. There's three, the proton is charged posetivly, the electron is charged negativly, the nuetron is nuetrol. There are three, and it's alot more logical than "Inside every atom there's the the son the father and the holy spirit".

Most people don't know what they're practicing when they read the bible. Yes, I said bible, get the flip over it. Kester didn't even know that in the bible it said the world was flat, and the sun revolved around the earth.

There's all sorts of poop people forget to believe in. What people think chrstianity and religion is is the belief of god. But it's not. It's the belief in all sorts of rediculous, irrational ideas which no body brings up during a religion debate.

If the bible is wrong on one account, which it is, that means it's not perfect and would therfore be false.

And why the hell science didn't know there was a neutron until Dalton's atomic theory was revised ?? There's no telling that science has a good look on how things are in the world. The same scientists said the world was flat one day... but then found out it was round.. the same scientists thought this was the only living planent, but now there are 9... oh wait... now this is the milky way ... in the presence of OTHER galaxies now ?? Oh goodness, I wonder what would come up 40 years from now.

More advances? ADVANCES. See, we're progressing. What we're not doing is sticking to one ignorant idea, and no matter how much damage it does and takes, still sticking to it because we're starred of what might happen if we're wrong.

Tell me, now. Why is it all these ideas in the bible have been proven false, time and time again? Or religion in general. Most of the fairey tales have been proven wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I respect science... I'm an engineer so everything I do would be based on the theories and standard science has giving us. But why does it annoy everyone that the earliest of things could be explained so simple in the words and understanding of a toddler. Why does the sophisticated one have to be the right one ?? Cause of the word photon beam ?? big bang ?? Implosion ?? Matter and anti matter ??

No, because they're right. The god theory has the biggest plot hole ever. Who made the clock maker?

OMG BUT I HAVE FAITH! Who cares? Pineapple.

I'm asking, why does the 2000 (in some cases even 6000) idea have to be the right one, even though parts of that idea have been proven so wrong it's not even funny, whern the idea that's reletivley new and uses all the knowledge we've aquired over hundreds of years worth of information can't be the right one.

Because you were raised that way? That's what a racist says when he doesn't accept another race. He was raised to believe it, and no matter HOW wrong it is, he's never going to accept anything else because he was RAISED THAT WAY.

In the words of George Carlin's charector from Dogma:

"We get them while they're young, it's easier for us to make life long members."

-Sort of like the Tabacoo industry.

"If ONLY we had their numbers."

alraight yu , yu i don't even have a name for yu jack ass! :/

but there is a god , doofus!

First, learn how to type. IF you're not straining yourself to write "YOU", instead you write "yu", you're hands are idle, and in the bible it says idle hands are a sin.

Secondly, don't call me a jackass, don't call me doufuss. In the bible it said to turn the other cheeck, judge not let ye be judged, and love thy neighbor.

NONE OF WHICH YOU'RE DOING.

So, since you're not following the word of god, you're going to hell. Repent, sinner.

want to know why theres a god

how in the hell can a person that's about to die from cancer in a week lives for another 10 years? huh explain jack ass

Uhh, chemotherapy? Medicines? The power of the human mind?

You tell me how people who are given "magical miricle pills", which are actually just sugar, live on for another couple of years, even though it's a PLACEBO.

The power of the human mind. There is no GOD involved. That's how stressed out teens create pulterguist, it's the power of the human mind.

yur theory is wrong, VF.

Theories are things that are accepted as fact because they've been proven OVER AND OVER as right.

Are you saying i'm right, "bud ur derey is wrang vee eph!11"?

The belief in god is LESS than a theory. It's even less than a hypothesis. A Hypothesis atleast is an EDUCATED guess. There's notthing educated in the belief in fairy tales.

go home and study

I would tell that to you, as you still believe the world is flat, still believe the world is the center of the universe, still believe the sun revolves around the earth and STILL believe that the world as we know it, instead of being brought to the form we know now was created in 7 days by a magical, powerful man in the sky.

and i have more how in the hell is a person died for 28 mins and 45 secs said they went to hell and begged go for mercy and he got back in to his body and stuff , man explain this?
i know i act like a nut, but i know sum things that they say

Uhh, BECAUSE YOU MADE IT UP?

You know what's not making stuff up? Links. Stories. Evidence. PROOF.

EXPLAIN THIS:

Den how iz it dat sum dude died, wen to heven den came back and sed dat der was no god HUH HUH TELL ME DAT?!

that god" God works in mysterious ways" so yu MOFO explain that , since yur punkass can explain evry thing else

Yeah, and people... No wait, I think JESUS CHRIST said this, "Judge not let ye be judged", "Love thy neighbor", "He who is free of sin, cast the first stone", and most of all, "TURN THE OTHER CHEECK."


But you're not following ANYTHING god has said. Instead, you're calling me a motherfliper, calling me a jackass, calling me a doufuss, LIKE THE DEVIL HIMSELF.

Have fun in hell, fool.

dubya tee eff

the Bible covers a span of approximately 1600 years

The new testimate, not the old one. flip the old one.

o yeah and VF

yu punk bitch

answer this ques .

how come most ppl prayers get answered, if they truly believe in their god?

most ppl say they believe in their god,

My mom truley believes in god, she goes to church like crazy. She prays everyday.

She prayed for you to die and LOOK AT THAT, you're still alive. (sadley)

but more than 60% doesn't
:/ or VF might knowbetter.
~MDXRL

That's funny, because i've already proved you're going to hell, as you've misinterpreted scripture and broke the word of god.

So, you, and probably everyother bible thumper, have fun in hell.

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

[quoteost_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]

Just as absurd as the answer is... I never used the word "god" or... ur fairy tail wizard. The contrast is eminent. When you sayy God, people automatically think you're argueing from the perspective of the bible... and if youread my whole post, you would notice that in no way did I use the Bible as a guideline to where my line of arguement was coming from.

But you're a christian, right? It doesn't matter if you said it in those word or just dilly dallied around what you meant, i'm gonna talk about YOU and not whatever your argument is.

You're not picking a side, you're remaning undecided. If i'm gonna say "No, there isn't a god, and all religions are wrong", you have to say something dirrectly affermative to it, not "something somewhere at sometime for some reason somehow made us".

Give me something to work with, here.

The one you wish to refer to as wizard gives an utmost explanation to the things you can't explain. This implosion of antimatter shows no proof of anything, just technological findings of how the world MIGHT have progressed. Whether or not it happened 12 or 12 and a half billion years go says nothing about the BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.

But instead of trying to find the answers, you restord to 2000 year old FAIRY tales on your answer.

Instead of finding the TRUE TO LIFE answer, something that uses the elements of science and knowledge we know now can find these answers, we resort o the DUMBING DOWN OF SOCIETY.

The easy answers.

Why does that machine desperse money, mommy?

Because it does, honey.

Why does that machine desperse money, mommy?

Because it is a system that has money inside of it, with a number of it yours. Whenever I push this botton, it gives off a certain amount of everyone's money to me, aslong as it's not over the limit that I have. The money is then subracted from my total, and my new total is the maxiumum amount of money I can take out. If I put more in, my total grows.



Getting the easy way out is the dumbing down of society.

Oh my... and why DO you believe that they are right. Fear ?? If there's anyone afraid, it's the ones who see yet, they choose not to. Why do you believe them ?? Is it cause of the sophistication of the words they have used to try and understand the world. Why do you refer to them as "NOT" being gods. Are gods the only beings to know all ?? Then again... who is to say ??

What else do I believe? A god which i've never seen before or the chemicals of our dailey lives?

The reason I don't believe the bible or any other religion is because they're rediculous.

What might be believable in one idea, is also wrong like 99% of their other ideas. The bible for example. They have one sort of good idea, there is a god. Then they have it that women are original sinners, gays are bad, that noah had ever animal from all over the world, the world is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, that witches and wizards exsist, ect.

One possibly believable fact. The reast are just fairey tales.

Then why do people believe religions? Is it because of their old, primitive language or the fact they did no evidence to prove anything? Is it because they're too dumb to find the true answers? Or is it because they're afraid to find out what might happen to them if they DON'T believe in a god?

Religion is controlled by fear. It's never "Be good and go to heaven", it's "Be good or go to hell". It's not the reward of heaven we're after, it's the fear of hell that keeps us from screwing up.

It's the fear of hell that makes us do what we do, and makes us try to prove ourselves, it's the fear of hell that makes you judge others, and try to put yourself above them. It's the fear of hell that makes us blow planes into buildings and kill yourself in a town square. It's the fear of hell that makes us kill thousands of people, and have them kill thousands of your people.

It's that fear of hell, not that hope in heaven, that runs a religous man's daily life.

The one major thing I know science has created for itself by trying to understand and dig deeper into the beginning of the world, is an endless array of puns that ppl would keep on pulling out of their freaking a-holes for generations to come. Well, if you say that... what happened BEFORE that ??

The idea that there is something is irrational. It goes back to chicken and egg. What made the chicken? he came from an egg, and what made that egg?

If "god" made us, who made god?


AND NO, DON'T GIVE ME THAT FAITH BULLpoop. I just realized the flaw in that. You can't have faith in something you don't know. You have faith in something you do know. For example, I asked kester who made god, he said he has his faith.

Faith in what? What's the answer? For ever question there's an answer. What do you have faith in? The fact you don't know the answer?

"I have faith" is like answering "pineapple".

It's random, out of place "answer".

You want me to "not talk to you about impossibilities", then you bring me evidence of how a photon with energy created the world and stop calling on the name of research that you have NO clue on how they were conducted. How on earth do people come up with such theories as to things that happened 12 billion years ago.

They reasearch it. And they reasearch it ALOT.

Even I can come up with a religion. It's called vfism. And it's the idea that all religions are man made bullpoop.


NOOOO. But you think that's some howbetter than hundereds of years are research. The thing about religions is that they're stories. They're not proven, or have evidence. The evidence they have is always non-sensical and stupid.

Like that retarded "we saw his face on a cloud". "There's a possebility god exsists". There's also a possebility that this entire universe is actually a cell on the ass of a dog, but there's no proof and evidence of it.


OH NO BUT THERE'S A CHANCE. Yeah, a small, stupid, neive chance. What we know is what is real. What we know is real and that is not god.

The reason most people stupidly buy into every page of what science says is cause since it's not as simple as "God created the world, adam and eve" but instead looks quite complicated... then it IS a better explanation to how the world is created.

Yeah, and it seems like it's alot more true. If I were to tell you that chinese people can fly and puerto ricans are made of candy, and someone else told you they can't fly because of gravity and peurto ricans arn't made of candey but a complex system of cells, who would you believe?

OPMG DAT DEY ARE MADE OF CANDY CUZ I LIKE CANDY!@!!11

-_-'

We believe what we see here, but instead you and people like you result to believeing what people said thousands of years ago when they still were using sticks and stones as weapons, thought the world was flat, believe the sun was some sort of living thing and danced around trees to get their magical energy.

There might be a god. There might be. But is relgion right? Even if there is a god, religion is still wrong. Why? Because it is. It's not historically accurate, it's not scientifically accurate, it's illogical and unrational. My stance is not whether there's a god or not, I really don't care to know. If you hold an altimadum on someone, they tend to not be themselves. (i'll get back to this) We don't know that.

What we do know, and it's been proven time and time again, is that the bible, and most all antient religous texts, are wrong.


What we never see from religous people is the "clock maker" idea. The idea grew popularity during the romantic era, and it says that god is a clock maker. What does a clock maker do? He makes clocks, then he lets them go. THAT's more accurate than what we see today, the "god made the world in 7 days then made humans and we're all brothers and then there's witches and the world is flat and the sun revolves around the earth" ideas people believe in.


I think about this alot. I think about this ALOT. Most religious people, I imagine don't. I think about this ALOT. I read the bible. I said, "That's a little wierd". I read some science books. I read some history books. I used my own common knowledge of the world. I came to the conclusion, "No. That's wrong. There weren't 2 people in some magical garden which populated the world. There wasn't a magical arc that could hold thousands of animals. The world isn't flat, the sun doesn't revolve around it and it's been around for BILLIONS of years."

I weighed out my options. Eigther believe what pretty much has been proven, or believe in some 2000 year old book with so many plot holes and flaws it seems like a cowboy after a shoot out.

I thought about it some more. I saw picture of the world from outer space. Hey, the world isn't flat, I told myself. Hey, the sun doesn't revolve around the earth, I told myself. Hey, it wasn't made in 7 days, presto it's done, it must have tooken billions of years to do all this, as we can see from the billions of years of continental drift.


God might be a clock maker. But even the clock maker had a mother. We don't know this, but we need to collect the ideas and data we have now. Is there a clock maker? We don't know. Did a clock maker write a 100% accurate book? No, he didn't.

Do NOT however, put words into my mouth for the sake of not bringing religion into the debate, i haven't used any proceeds from my faith a la biblical evidence.. but instead showed you WHAT some pioneers in science have come to conclude.. that no matter how you try to deduce the world and it's humble yet proud beginnings, it is impossible to leave the designer behind. Whether it was a he, she or... an it.. would be left to debate... but for the design we call the universe, there HAS to be a designer. Whether he sat in a chair... or was in form of a cosmic entity... isn't my place to plunder in this topic.

And unless you pick a real possition, like "I believe the christian god is the right god", instead of this hypothetical bullpoop rapped in random ellipses all over the place, then this isn't your place to "plunder in this topic" eigth, because it's waisting my time.

God would have to be a well designed individual to design all this.

Then who designed god?

Unless you answer that, you don't have any answers, because your "someone had to do it" idea is just as flawed as "no one had to do anything".

What annoys me about ur response is that you've put the bible that I made NO mention of when responding to my reply. Scroll up and you would see that the only thing I took from the Bible was Jesus.. and in THAT context I put other religious entities.. without making the focal point of my arguement.

Uhh, because you're christian. Everyone else here is christian or muslim, but the muslims havn't posted enough detailed information for me to try to post information exclusive to them.

What annoys me about you is you try to take a hypothetical stance on it. You're asking what if. I'm asking what if you actually say what you mean instead of trying to sound like everytime you talk there's a soft piano and a backdrop of stars behind you.

All in all, my stand is simple. Whether or not you want to refer to this Being as a comical wizards to impress the foolishness of man, isn't of any concern. But those who believe have a full understanding to what they believe in. Can you even tell me what's in an atom without googling it right now ?? Could you tell me why there is a positive charged proton and negatively charged electron ??

In an atom there's a proton, a nuetron and an electron. Sometimes more one than another. There's three, the proton is charged posetivly, the electron is charged negativly, the nuetron is nuetrol. There are three, and it's alot more logical than "Inside every atom there's the the son the father and the holy spirit".

Most people don't know what they're practicing when they read the bible. Yes, I said bible, get the flip over it. Kester didn't even know that in the bible it said the world was flat, and the sun revolved around the earth.

There's all sorts of poop people forget to believe in. What people think chrstianity and religion is is the belief of god. But it's not. It's the belief in all sorts of rediculous, irrational ideas which no body brings up during a religion debate.

If the bible is wrong on one account, which it is, that means it's not perfect and would therfore be false.

And why the hell science didn't know there was a neutron until Dalton's atomic theory was revised ?? There's no telling that science has a good look on how things are in the world. The same scientists said the world was flat one day... but then found out it was round.. the same scientists thought this was the only living planent, but now there are 9... oh wait... now this is the milky way ... in the presence of OTHER galaxies now ?? Oh goodness, I wonder what would come up 40 years from now.

More advances? ADVANCES. See, we're progressing. What we're not doing is sticking to one ignorant idea, and no matter how much damage it does and takes, still sticking to it because we're starred of what might happen if we're wrong.

Tell me, now. Why is it all these ideas in the bible have been proven false, time and time again? Or religion in general. Most of the fairey tales have been proven wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I respect science... I'm an engineer so everything I do would be based on the theories and standard science has giving us. But why does it annoy everyone that the earliest of things could be explained so simple in the words and understanding of a toddler. Why does the sophisticated one have to be the right one ?? Cause of the word photon beam ?? big bang ?? Implosion ?? Matter and anti matter ??

No, because they're right. The god theory has the biggest plot hole ever. Who made the clock maker?

OMG BUT I HAVE FAITH! Who cares? Pineapple.

I'm asking, why does the 2000 (in some cases even 6000) idea have to be the right one, even though parts of that idea have been proven so wrong it's not even funny, whern the idea that's reletivley new and uses all the knowledge we've aquired over hundreds of years worth of information can't be the right one.

Because you were raised that way? That's what a racist says when he doesn't accept another race. He was raised to believe it, and no matter HOW wrong it is, he's never going to accept anything else because he was RAISED THAT WAY.

In the words of George Carlin's charector from Dogma:

"We get them while they're young, it's easier for us to make life long members."

-Sort of like the Tabacoo industry.

"If ONLY we had their numbers."

alraight yu , yu i don't even have a name for yu jack ass! :/

but there is a god , doofus!

First, learn how to type. IF you're not straining yourself to write "YOU", instead you write "yu", you're hands are idle, and in the bible it says idle hands are a sin.

Secondly, don't call me a jackass, don't call me doufuss. In the bible it said to turn the other cheeck, judge not let ye be judged, and love thy neighbor.

NONE OF WHICH YOU'RE DOING.

So, since you're not following the word of god, you're going to hell. Repent, sinner.

want to know why theres a god

how in the hell can a person that's about to die from cancer in a week lives for another 10 years? huh explain jack ass

Uhh, chemotherapy? Medicines? The power of the human mind?

You tell me how people who are given "magical miricle pills", which are actually just sugar, live on for another couple of years, even though it's a PLACEBO.

The power of the human mind. There is no GOD involved. That's how stressed out teens create pulterguist, it's the power of the human mind.

yur theory is wrong, VF.

Theories are things that are accepted as fact because they've been proven OVER AND OVER as right.

Are you saying i'm right, "bud ur derey is wrang vee eph!11"?

The belief in god is LESS than a theory. It's even less than a hypothesis. A Hypothesis atleast is an EDUCATED guess. There's notthing educated in the belief in fairy tales.

go home and study

I would tell that to you, as you still believe the world is flat, still believe the world is the center of the universe, still believe the sun revolves around the earth and STILL believe that the world as we know it, instead of being brought to the form we know now was created in 7 days by a magical, powerful man in the sky.

and i have more how in the hell is a person died for 28 mins and 45 secs said they went to hell and begged go for mercy and he got back in to his body and stuff , man explain this?
i know i act like a nut, but i know sum things that they say

Uhh, BECAUSE YOU MADE IT UP?

You know what's not making stuff up? Links. Stories. Evidence. PROOF.

EXPLAIN THIS:

Den how iz it dat sum dude died, wen to heven den came back and sed dat der was no god HUH HUH TELL ME DAT?!

that god" God works in mysterious ways" so yu MOFO explain that , since yur punkass can explain evry thing else

Yeah, and people... No wait, I think JESUS CHRIST said this, "Judge not let ye be judged", "Love thy neighbor", "He who is free of sin, cast the first stone", and most of all, "TURN THE OTHER CHEECK."


But you're not following ANYTHING god has said. Instead, you're calling me a motherfliper, calling me a jackass, calling me a doufuss, LIKE THE DEVIL HIMSELF.

Have fun in hell, fool.

dubya tee eff

the Bible covers a span of approximately 1600 years

The new testimate, not the old one. flip the old one.

o yeah and VF

yu punk bitch

answer this ques .

how come most ppl prayers get answered, if they truly believe in their god?

most ppl say they believe in their god,

My mom truley believes in god, she goes to church like crazy. She prays everyday.

She prayed for you to die and LOOK AT THAT, you're still alive. (sadley)

but more than 60% doesn't
:/ or VF might knowbetter.
~MDXRL

That's funny, because i've already proved you're going to hell, as you've misinterpreted scripture and broke the word of god.

So, you, and probably everyother bible thumper, have fun in hell.[/quote]
MAN, Vf, i don't give a Damn what yu say, dewd!

BTW this is Virtuality not reality he didn't say nothing about " Going into Virtuallity and and shorten yur letter"

and most of im Portantly, yure not God, so how in the hell can yu Prove my judgement? Gett on, with yur life , VF, cuz yure just wasten it on this topic! evryone has their beliefs, and for the pppl who doesn't like yu.....

and lol about the medicine part
Dewd, theres a God ! i Got this real deep feeling there IS a GOD! to yu , there might not be one , but to me there is...
so go ahead be agressive , talk yur mess, cuz it seems to me,that yur friends allways bust you in the head with a beer bottle. thats Why yu always stay inside to Avoid the Free world!
so ill TTyl VF
also have a nice life, yu'll need it

~~MDXRL