Who is really in control? - God, humans, the earth, or the universe

[Angel-Eyes]

Don't tell me you actually believe those lies.

yep

whats so hard to believe about animals going to austraila? men did it...why cant animals?

So what's your answer to this one? A wizard did it?

maaaaaybeeee...

no, I think that the kangaroos hung out in turkey for a while....had families, and eventually went to aussie

unexplainable, even though we now have the right answers.

dubya tee eff?
so its unexplainable......yet we now have answers to explain it?

ok! explain where matter came from since we have the answers now.

[Virtual Fighter]

Uhh, the animals that are native to australia had been there for millions of years, since the continants devided. Your "they then went to australia" is retarded since KANGAROOS CAN'T SWIM.

Where did matter come from? big bang theory.

Since apperantly you have all the answers in religion, where did god come from?

[Angel-Eyes]

[quoteost_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]Where did matter come from? big bang theory.

Since apperantly you have all the answers in religion, where did god come from?[/quote]
im pretty sure that the big bang theory is about a thing of matter that blows up.........so where did the thing that blew up come from?


and no, I dont have all the answers in religion...lol thats why its based on faith (so is science)

im going to bed

[Virtual Fighter]

ughhhhh... If you can understand this, then fine. If you can't, you still lose:

Where did the matter in the universe come from?

Okay, if I'm right, acording to the Big Bang theory, the universe started out as a highly concertrated ball of matter. Well, where did that matter come from? I mean, where did the stuff to create everything in the universe come from? Did it just appear or something? (PLEASE answer! This has been bothering me for YEARS!)

In the beginning, there was not yet any matter. However, there was a lot of energy in the form of light, which comes in discrete packets called photons. When photons have enough energy, they can spontaneously decay into a particle and an antiparticle. (An antiparticle is the exact opposite of the corresponding particle--for example, a proton has charge +e, so an antiproton has charge -e.) This is easily observed today, as gamma rays have enough energy to create measurable electron-antielectron pairs (the antielectron is usually called a positron). It turns out that the photon is just one of a class of particles, called the bosons, that decay in this manner. Many of the bosons around just after the big bang were so energetic that they could decay into much more massive particles such as protons (remember, E=mc^2, so to make a particle with a large mass m, you need a boson with a high energy E). The mass in the universe came from such decays.

The next question to ask is: where did all the antimatter go? For each particle created in this fashion, there is exactly one antiparticle. In this case, there should have been exactly as much antimatter as there is matter. If that were true, when the universe had cooled somewhat each particle would have found an antiparticle and combined to form a boson (this process is called annihilation of the particles). Actually, this was the fate of most of these pairs--something like 10 billion particles annihilated for every one that survived. The survival of even such a small fraction was enough to form all of the matter in our universe. At some point during this process, something else must have happened to cause the survival of more particles than antiparticles (we call this the particle-antiparticle asymmetry).

There are many theories that try to explain this asymmetry. I will give a very brief description of one of them, called electroweak baryogenesis. (Understanding it requires a lot more background information than I have space for.) Protons and neutrons are particles called baryons, and baryogenesis means the creation of baryons. The current understanding of particle physics, called the standard model, dictates that nowadays the number of baryons is nearly constant, with only a small variation due to quantum mechanical tunneling. In the early universe, however, the temperature was much higher, so that this tunneling was commonplace and a large number of baryons could have been created. Electroweak refers to the time period in question, when the electromagnetic and weak forces were decoupling from a single force into 2 separate forces (between 10^-12 and 10^-6 seconds after the big bang--the asymmetry probably would have formed towards the end). An additional source of baryons is due to the fact that leptons (another type of particle, including electrons) can be converted into baryons at this epoch.

[alamgir]

Err you didn't expect no one to ask where photons came from did you?

[Angel-Eyes]

[quoteost_uid0="alamgir"]Err you didn't expect no one to ask where photons came from did you?[/quote]
you took my words^




and even if he gives some explaination for that, its still just a theory

[Virtual Fighter]

You having balls is just a theory. and i'm not kidding, everything ever ever ever ever is still a thoery. The only difference is that science is actually RESEARCHED, where as there is no difference between the bible and a common novel.

Except the people who read novels KNOW it's fake.

Where do photons come from? I don't know, i'm only a kid. But atleast my mind is open to know that there is a reason, there is a solution instead of the openly ignorant "A wizard did it".

Faith my ass, that's what stupid people use to say "I don't know and I sure as hell arn't going to spend my time figuring out. A wizard did it, how about that?"

[blanka09]

You know what's actually intriguing. NO ONE.. none of these scientists have actually giving full proof and air tight explanation to the beginning of "things". They always start of at that packet of energy portion... or just straight to the implosion. At least the ones I've come across start from there.

Antimatter doesn't explain the creation of the world as we know it. Quite true that the third paragraph takes a page out of Newton's third law of motion which states that for every action there's an equal but opposite reaction. But the writer of that article doesn't account for the appearance of this antimatter or the engine behind the implosion we have come to know as the big bang.

No matter who's theory you read, it all takes it shape from the fact that the universe in such a very "wierd" implosion of antimatter. It just doesn't make any sense to deduce that everything awesome you see in the world today wasn't engineered by a supreme being.

In the words of Albert Einstein, the universe is to well designed to be without a designer. Whether or not you beleive in Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Oduduwa or whatever. One thing stands universal... there is a Supreme Being.

Now how much control He or She has over the world can be left to debate... but to deny his or her existence is to try and explain things humanly impossible. As hard as you might try, the only way one can get a full proof explanation to the beginning of things is a time machine. Which as you might believe, is unthinkable right now... but until someone can go back to see things with his or her own eyes, implosion of antimatter doesn't cut it with me.

Whoever wants to disprove this designer, with a full mechanical start point of the big bang theory, that doesn't involve an "I don't know how that part was" should be my guest. But I'll be reading for more :biggrin:



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[Virtual Fighter]

oYou know what's actually intriguing. NO ONE.. none of these scientists have actually giving full proof and air tight explanation to the beginning of "things". They always start of at that packet of energy portion... or just straight to the implosion. At least the ones I've come across start from there.

If you're implying that some how "A wizard did it" is some how a better explenation, then where did that "wizard" come from?

I've gotten "OMG JUS REED DA BIBOLE IT SES IS DER"... No it doesn't. Where did god come from? There is no answer so your idea that "a wizard did it" is as stupid if not more than a system of explosions from that packet of energy portions.

oAntimatter doesn't explain the creation of the world as we know it. Quite true that the third paragraph takes a page out of Newton's third law of motion which states that for every action there's an equal but opposite reaction. But the writer of that article doesn't account for the appearance of this antimatter or the engine behind the implosion we have come to know as the big bang.

Flaws shmaws. You look back 12 billion years and expect them to know everything? They're scientists, not gods.

But there explenation has been the product of hundreds of research. The bible was written in like 60 years. I could write a more full-proof book in 2 days.

There's so many things, impossebilities and falsities in the bible. Why do people still believe it? Fear.

They're afraid of what might happen if they don't. They're afraid of the unknwon and would rather believe "A wizard did it" than to find the right answer.

I'm tired of living my life in the fear of the unknown.

It just doesn't make any sense to deduce that everything awesome you see in the world today wasn't engineered by a supreme being.

It doesn't make sense?

THIS ISN'T THE SIMS, HERE.

The only reason it doesn't make sense is because you don't want to make sense of it. You'd rather compress your mind to "a wizard did it" than to try to find the answers.

It takes 4 words to explain your little universe. It takes 12 billion years worth of progress to explain mine.


And again, the yet unanswered quastion: Where did god come from?

A wizard couldn't make the wizard.

In the words of Albert Einstein, the universe is to well designed to be without a designer. Whether or not you beleive in Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Oduduwa or whatever. One thing stands universal... there is a Supreme Being.

If there was a supreme being, rest assured, you're not believing the right one. There are hundreds of religions on this planet and chances are, YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE RIGHT ONE.

Nothing makes christianity special. Nothing makes your idea correct. Yours is as flawed as anyone elses, and i'd rather not bleieve in any answer than to believe in the WRONG answer.

Now how much control He or She has over the world can be left to debate... but to deny his or her existence is to try and explain things humanly impossible.

Humanly impossible? You're poopting me, right?

What i'm trying to explain is impossible but...

THAT SOME DUDE IN A CLOUD CAN MAKE THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE ISN'T?

What about that false adam and eve story? Noah?

Like ever other page in the bible is eigther false or IMPOSSIBLE.

Don't talk to me about impossebilities, dude.

As hard as you might try, the only way one can get a full proof explanation to the beginning of things is a time machine. Which as you might believe, is unthinkable right now... but until someone can go back to see things with his or her own eyes, implosion of antimatter doesn't cut it with me.

If you ask a toddler what made the world, an all powerful wizard (btw, I keep calling god a wizard for multiple reasons, none of which i'll explain now) did it, or a system of implosions of anti matter, which will the toddler say?

A wizard did it.

Why? Because the babie's brain is too stupid to think of the other one.

Now you ask your self, "Am I taking the easy answer out, or am I just stupid?"

[blanka09]

Just as absurd as the answer is... I never used the word "god" or... ur fairy tail wizard. The contrast is eminent. When you sayy God, people automatically think you're argueing from the perspective of the bible... and if youread my whole post, you would notice that in no way did I use the Bible as a guideline to where my line of arguement was coming from.

The one you wish to refer to as wizard gives an utmost explanation to the things you can't explain. This implosion of antimatter shows no proof of anything, just technological findings of how the world MIGHT have progressed. Whether or not it happened 12 or 12 and a half billion years go says nothing about the BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.

You look back 12 billion years and expect them to know everything? They're scientists, not gods. But there explenation has been the product of hundreds of research. The bible was written in like 60 years. I could write a more full-proof book in 2 days. There's so many things, impossebilities and falsities in the bible. Why do people still believe it? Fear. They're afraid of what might happen if they don't. They're afraid of the unknwon and would rather believe "A wizard did it" than to find the right answer. I'm tired of living my life in the fear of the unknown.

Oh my... and why DO you believe that they are right. Fear ?? If there's anyone afraid, it's the ones who see yet, they choose not to. Why do you believe them ?? Is it cause of the sophistication of the words they have used to try and understand the world. Why do you refer to them as "NOT" being gods. Are gods the only beings to know all ?? Then again... who is to say ??

The one major thing I know science has created for itself by trying to understand and dig deeper into the beginning of the world, is an endless array of puns that ppl would keep on pulling out of their freaking a-holes for generations to come. Well, if you say that... what happened BEFORE that ??

You want me to "not talk to you about impossibilities", then you bring me evidence of how a photon with energy created the world and stop calling on the name of research that you have NO clue on how they were conducted. How on earth do people come up with such theories as to things that happened 12 billion years ago.

The reason most people stupidly buy into every page of what science says is cause since it's not as simple as "God created the world, adam and eve" but instead looks quite complicated... then it IS a better explanation to how the world is created.

Do NOT however, put words into my mouth for the sake of not bringing religion into the debate, i haven't used any proceeds from my faith a la biblical evidence.. but instead showed you WHAT some pioneers in science have come to conclude.. that no matter how you try to deduce the world and it's humble yet proud beginnings, it is impossible to leave the designer behind. Whether it was a he, she or... an it.. would be left to debate... but for the design we call the universe, there HAS to be a designer. Whether he sat in a chair... or was in form of a cosmic entity... isn't my place to plunder in this topic.

What annoys me about ur response is that you've put the bible that I made NO mention of when responding to my reply. Scroll up and you would see that the only thing I took from the Bible was Jesus.. and in THAT context I put other religious entities.. without making the focal point of my arguement.

All in all, my stand is simple. Whether or not you want to refer to this Being as a comical wizards to impress the foolishness of man, isn't of any concern. But those who believe have a full understanding to what they believe in. Can you even tell me what's in an atom without googling it right now ?? Could you tell me why there is a positive charged proton and negatively charged electron ??

And why the hell science didn't know there was a neutron until Dalton's atomic theory was revised ?? There's no telling that science has a good look on how things are in the world. The same scientists said the world was flat one day... but then found out it was round.. the same scientists thought this was the only living planent, but now there are 9... oh wait... now this is the milky way ... in the presence of OTHER galaxies now ?? Oh goodness, I wonder what would come up 40 years from now.

Don't get me wrong, I respect science... I'm an engineer so everything I do would be based on the theories and standard science has giving us. But why does it annoy everyone that the earliest of things could be explained so simple in the words and understanding of a toddler. Why does the sophisticated one have to be the right one ?? Cause of the word photon beam ?? big bang ?? Implosion ?? Matter and anti matter ??

In the words of the de la soul dudes in the gorillaz track feel good inc, my only response to that irony is ha ha ha ha ha :biggrin:



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