Hadoken limitations - ..learn some skill. - Page 11

mooo1 · 06-01-2003, 04:50 PM

I think the hadoken should be left alone only when there is less lag, so you can actually be fast enough to do a super jump to your opponent and pummel him for playing cheap. I lost a lot of battles where i tried to play fair and the other guy just kept powering up his level by doing hadokens, and then going into the variable attack mode and then beating me up... I hate it when people play cheap like that...

SSJKarma · 06-01-2003, 08:42 PM

[quote

ost_uid0="TarkanX"]Well, lets see the options Ryu has:

Shoryuken: HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku(turning around with your leg like an idiot): Your begging for a beat down.

Shinkuu Tastumaki Senpuu Kyaku(super spin kick): Only works for people who don't know how to play, or one of those 1% crapshoots(and we know how crapshoots in this game suck).

Up close game: The normals, Ryu's useful key in the past, it''s been downgraded, starting from the corner trap, and now. There are still some use full normals, but it's mostly just to help raise meter(Crouching MP, Standing HK, Jump in HK, Crouching HP for a crappy anti-air, but one better than Shoryuken).

Up close(which is most of the time used for raising meter), and hadouken/Shinkuu Hadouken are Ryu's only strategies for attacking, negate(or slow down) the hadouken, and you have one really crappy character, and when I mean crap(remember veterans), think about Wolverine during the ToC1 time. But there might be a way for Ryu becoming a bad character, if you make changes to other characters.

Wolverine: Make his recovery on his drill claw longer.

Chunli: Make her fireball faster, and have less recovery time(Wow, that'll be really dangerous)

Sentinel: Make him have a bit more recovery time, or at least have him have a delay at start up with the beam execution. Or you could make the beam just a one hit combo, like MvC2.

Cyclops: Make him have a delay at start up executing the blast. Even though Cyclops is cheap, if you slowdown, or negate his optic blasts, then you make him a bad character by getting rid of his only strategy, yes, that's right, his only strategy, I would like someone to name any other strategy he has other than the blasts. Gene Splice? Look at Shoryuken. Cyclone Kick? A worse TSK. Charging beat up move? As bad as the buccaneers in their first 2 seasons. I could only see a blatant strategy of using the standing HP, and optic blast(but with bad delay, how will that work?

Spider Man: haven't played Spider Man since last year I believe... Make him have a delay with the web balls.[/quote]
now someone's who's talking the good way !

if you people can only brag about how unfair it seems, then get the hell out of here fast. constructive talk is the only way to get things done !

ok, first of all, i didn't say that COMBO'S were nothing !
i said that its not because you don't sdee the "WORD"
AIR COMBO or MONSTER COMBO appearing that it mean we don't have combo's !
by definition a COMBO is multiple hits given rapidly, for all i know we can easily do that cause you actually see the hit meter getting up after each hit.

ok, now for tarkan...
again, why are you still here playing if the game sucks ?
but i agree, tweaking must be done here and there !
spiderman too fast ?
well...
i think not, tho i never really uised the web balls on the floor much, i usually get air before doing one, and in the air, they are just fine, you can throw two maximum before getting on the ground, and that's if you are in normal mode. on turbo you barely is able to make one, unless you SPIDER KICK the other way and then do one again ! but that's a strategie that is pretty much useless !

as for wolverine, i agree, his speed is a very very very very big problem, now that one is pretty damn fast ! he really should be tweak !

chunli... her fireball shouldn't be that fast, but it shouldn'T be that slow either !
other then that, she's pretty fine !

ryu tatsu maki... well it does hit cause of lag, but really, i hit people with it and that's when you know their startegie ! true that against HADOKEN THROWER it doesn't hit, but if you see the oppnoent coming at you all the time, then its easy to hit them with it !

sentinel is fine that way, after all, he's a long range fighter... he can easily wipe out a close range fighter in close range, but you gotta have skill with him to actually use him that well !

as for cyclops, well if his moves were any faster and could have any better accuracy, then maybe people wouldn't be that cheap with him... optics are flying everywhere cause except for the little HK then CYCLONE KICK combo, there is pretty much no moves that actually hit the opponent with ! so basically cyclops is asking the players to be optic blast players ! that's why he is so cheap ! well in my opinion !

anyway... i agree wit tark on the changes that must be made, but about the moves to be NOT USEFULL except for HADOIKEN, that i'm against ! the other moves have their way to be done, but even the shinkuu isn't even capable of hitting. the very same way as the shinkuu TATSU ! i mean that if you still get hit by the shinkuu then you are as idiot as the one that get kicked by the shinkuu tatsu !

this game is more of a luck game right now, but ever since the game's lag as been reduced to a hundreds of miliseconds of ping, then the game skillfullness as been greatly improved, nowe you gotta jave skills to actually be able to hit, like hadokens are easily avoided now, while back then, they were not avoidable at all !

MasterX05 · 06-01-2003, 09:15 PM

SHUT UP! There is no dam combo system, there is no air combo engine. What you call combos are some bullpoopty moves you make up. There is no combos in this game ppl. No real ones. For spidey I rule with him cause of his great air combo that I always pull of in MvsC.

Same with ryu even thou he only has 1 air combo 5 to 6 hits that is good. Ive kicked a person in the air three times did I do a air combo. HELL NO! If a chun-li user pops a player in mid air with her lighting kick was that a air-combo HELL NO! No dam air combo system if there was wolvrine tornado claw would be one, Gene splice would be one even chun-li air super and ryu's tornado kick. You see spidey is useless to me all u can do is spidey kick and web ball thats it. He's upper cut is crappy and it doesnt always thow the person up and slam them back down.

If there was a air combo engine then ill would use spidy cause thats the main reason I use him in the pther games

SSJKarma · 06-01-2003, 10:29 PM

like i said, no one ever listen to what i say !

did i say we had combo's in this game ?
<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>! NO !</span>

the only thing i said is that basically we have what you can call a basic combo system, cause really... a combo is basically multiple hits one after the other, am i not right ? i doubt it... that's the actual definition of a combo !

so basically yes, we have combo's, not grooves or anything like those infinites i heard about so much, but combo's nonetheless ! i never said we had any engine made of for combo's, hell there shouldn't even be any combo doing ! but the characters are so fast that moves comes out fast enought to make it look like one. and since multiple consecutives hits are a combo ! so i don't care if its a MADE UP one. i know its one !

Scorponok · 06-01-2003, 10:33 PM

[quote

ost_uid0="SSJKarma"]like i said, no one ever listen to what i say !

did i say we had combo's in this game ?
<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>! NO !</span>

cause really... a combo is basically multiple hits one after the other, am i not right ?[/quote]
Well.. add "that are unblockable"

MasterX05 · 06-02-2003, 03:05 PM

You say we have some "basic combo system" I am telling u there are no REAL COMBOS, NONE and there can only be combos if there is a combo system. Ill admit some ground combos work but not to great, like Ryu's dash foward crouch then do low kick med kick and round house kick. A simple 3 hit combo that Ryu and Ken can do. But it doesnt come out right it goes too slow. You say a "combo is basically multiple hits one after the other" So if I did potic blast over and over till it got to 12 hits I did a real combo that u could find on something like Gamefaqs? Or if I hit some one with lighting kick and dont stop did I do a simply "basic combo"? Another im Ryu in the corner and all i did was crouch down and hit weak puch Repeatedly did I pull of a amazing 25 hit combo?

WhiteTigerClaw · 06-02-2003, 05:28 PM

Of course they have to be limited....Slow it down just like you did with the optic blasts....Lots of ##### abuse these powers. They would do anything just to get 1 power gauge bar up..... ???

darkFlash88 · 06-03-2003, 08:08 PM

[quote

ost_uid0="WhiteTigerClaw"]Of course they have to be limited....Slow it down just like you did with the optic blasts....Lots of ##### abuse these powers. They would do anything just to get 1 power gauge bar up..... ???[/quote]
i think they should be limited too but what you are saying is the new*ies are like wild animals trying to do anything to just win a match and wen i first played this game witch was like in 2002 or something i was a ####ie and i wasnt doin anthing even close to cheating and i got my rank down to at the best like 45 or something but anyways who cares bout rank i dont..... well rank is pretty cool feature to this game but anyways my point is not all ####ies are like wild animals that will do anything just so they can win cause i didnt

G_GUNDAM · 06-08-2003, 08:08 PM

arent hadokens already limited. i could swear that when i fight people and they throw mad fireballs the disappear in the middle of the screen. cause didnt someone mention somethin about that happening. besides if u cant get around fireballs then u need some more skillz cause u dont have any. cause i know i can get around them easy.

06-08-2003, 08:44 PM

masterxo5-thank you. Now mabye karma will realize that if other ppl like you,aside from me, have these opinions karma will understand how little he actually knows.

Dont you see karma? Other ppl have the same opinions as me!!! Masterx05 cleary has played the other "vs" series games unlike you. So Shut the #### up and learn something before making stupid posts that prove that you are an idiot!!!!

Yes, Hadokens are abused and need to be limited...Players need to learn a new technique.	42	66.67%
NO! Dont change the Hadoken..I'd have no skill then.	21	33.33%
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06-01-2003, 04:50 PM	#101
mooo1 Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 457 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	I think the hadoken should be left alone only when there is less lag, so you can actually be fast enough to do a super jump to your opponent and pummel him for playing cheap. I lost a lot of battles where i tried to play fair and the other guy just kept powering up his level by doing hadokens, and then going into the variable attack mode and then beating me up... I hate it when people play cheap like that... __________________ Sometimes the biggest obstacle can be the smallest thing.

06-01-2003, 08:42 PM	#102
SSJKarma Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canada somewhere in the province of quebec Posts: 5,445 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	[quoteost_uid0="TarkanX"]Well, lets see the options Ryu has: Shoryuken: HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku(turning around with your leg like an idiot): Your begging for a beat down. Shinkuu Tastumaki Senpuu Kyaku(super spin kick): Only works for people who don't know how to play, or one of those 1% crapshoots(and we know how crapshoots in this game suck). Up close game: The normals, Ryu's useful key in the past, it''s been downgraded, starting from the corner trap, and now. There are still some use full normals, but it's mostly just to help raise meter(Crouching MP, Standing HK, Jump in HK, Crouching HP for a crappy anti-air, but one better than Shoryuken). Up close(which is most of the time used for raising meter), and hadouken/Shinkuu Hadouken are Ryu's only strategies for attacking, negate(or slow down) the hadouken, and you have one really crappy character, and when I mean crap(remember veterans), think about Wolverine during the ToC1 time. But there might be a way for Ryu becoming a bad character, if you make changes to other characters. Wolverine: Make his recovery on his drill claw longer. Chunli: Make her fireball faster, and have less recovery time(Wow, that'll be really dangerous) Sentinel: Make him have a bit more recovery time, or at least have him have a delay at start up with the beam execution. Or you could make the beam just a one hit combo, like MvC2. Cyclops: Make him have a delay at start up executing the blast. Even though Cyclops is cheap, if you slowdown, or negate his optic blasts, then you make him a bad character by getting rid of his only strategy, yes, that's right, his only strategy, I would like someone to name any other strategy he has other than the blasts. Gene Splice? Look at Shoryuken. Cyclone Kick? A worse TSK. Charging beat up move? As bad as the buccaneers in their first 2 seasons. I could only see a blatant strategy of using the standing HP, and optic blast(but with bad delay, how will that work? Spider Man: haven't played Spider Man since last year I believe... Make him have a delay with the web balls.[/quote] now someone's who's talking the good way ! if you people can only brag about how unfair it seems, then get the hell out of here fast. constructive talk is the only way to get things done ! ok, first of all, i didn't say that COMBO'S were nothing ! i said that its not because you don't sdee the "WORD" AIR COMBO or MONSTER COMBO appearing that it mean we don't have combo's ! by definition a COMBO is multiple hits given rapidly, for all i know we can easily do that cause you actually see the hit meter getting up after each hit. ok, now for tarkan... again, why are you still here playing if the game sucks ? but i agree, tweaking must be done here and there ! spiderman too fast ? well... i think not, tho i never really uised the web balls on the floor much, i usually get air before doing one, and in the air, they are just fine, you can throw two maximum before getting on the ground, and that's if you are in normal mode. on turbo you barely is able to make one, unless you SPIDER KICK the other way and then do one again ! but that's a strategie that is pretty much useless ! as for wolverine, i agree, his speed is a very very very very big problem, now that one is pretty damn fast ! he really should be tweak ! chunli... her fireball shouldn't be that fast, but it shouldn'T be that slow either ! other then that, she's pretty fine ! ryu tatsu maki... well it does hit cause of lag, but really, i hit people with it and that's when you know their startegie ! true that against HADOKEN THROWER it doesn't hit, but if you see the oppnoent coming at you all the time, then its easy to hit them with it ! sentinel is fine that way, after all, he's a long range fighter... he can easily wipe out a close range fighter in close range, but you gotta have skill with him to actually use him that well ! as for cyclops, well if his moves were any faster and could have any better accuracy, then maybe people wouldn't be that cheap with him... optics are flying everywhere cause except for the little HK then CYCLONE KICK combo, there is pretty much no moves that actually hit the opponent with ! so basically cyclops is asking the players to be optic blast players ! that's why he is so cheap ! well in my opinion ! anyway... i agree wit tark on the changes that must be made, but about the moves to be NOT USEFULL except for HADOIKEN, that i'm against ! the other moves have their way to be done, but even the shinkuu isn't even capable of hitting. the very same way as the shinkuu TATSU ! i mean that if you still get hit by the shinkuu then you are as idiot as the one that get kicked by the shinkuu tatsu ! this game is more of a luck game right now, but ever since the game's lag as been reduced to a hundreds of miliseconds of ping, then the game skillfullness as been greatly improved, nowe you gotta jave skills to actually be able to hit, like hadokens are easily avoided now, while back then, they were not avoidable at all ! __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://membres.lycos.fr/imagesforum/Banner.gif[/img:sig_uid] "How did you escape my grasp ? no matter, i'll crush you now !" -DB : Lost Soul My Web Site http://membres.lycos.fr/xmvssf/

06-01-2003, 09:15 PM	#103
MasterX05 Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,468 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	SHUT UP! There is no dam combo system, there is no air combo engine. What you call combos are some bullpoopty moves you make up. There is no combos in this game ppl. No real ones. For spidey I rule with him cause of his great air combo that I always pull of in MvsC. Same with ryu even thou he only has 1 air combo 5 to 6 hits that is good. Ive kicked a person in the air three times did I do a air combo. HELL NO! If a chun-li user pops a player in mid air with her lighting kick was that a air-combo HELL NO! No dam air combo system if there was wolvrine tornado claw would be one, Gene splice would be one even chun-li air super and ryu's tornado kick. You see spidey is useless to me all u can do is spidey kick and web ball thats it. He's upper cut is crappy and it doesnt always thow the person up and slam them back down. If there was a air combo engine then ill would use spidy cause thats the main reason I use him in the pther games __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://www.dr.dk/skum/boogie/_img/235x140/kanye_west.jpg[/img:sig_uid] Kanye west-Diamonds are forever Diamonds are forever Throw your diamonds in the sky if you feel the vibe Diamonds are forever The Roc is still alive every time I rhyme.

06-01-2003, 10:29 PM	#104
SSJKarma Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canada somewhere in the province of quebec Posts: 5,445 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	like i said, no one ever listen to what i say ! did i say we had combo's in this game ? <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>! NO !</span> the only thing i said is that basically we have what you can call a basic combo system, cause really... a combo is basically multiple hits one after the other, am i not right ? i doubt it... that's the actual definition of a combo ! so basically yes, we have combo's, not grooves or anything like those infinites i heard about so much, but combo's nonetheless ! i never said we had any engine made of for combo's, hell there shouldn't even be any combo doing ! but the characters are so fast that moves comes out fast enought to make it look like one. and since multiple consecutives hits are a combo ! so i don't care if its a MADE UP one. i know its one ! __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://membres.lycos.fr/imagesforum/Banner.gif[/img:sig_uid] "How did you escape my grasp ? no matter, i'll crush you now !" -DB : Lost Soul My Web Site http://membres.lycos.fr/xmvssf/

06-01-2003, 10:33 PM	#105
Scorponok Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 1,650 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	[quoteost_uid0="SSJKarma"]like i said, no one ever listen to what i say ! did i say we had combo's in this game ? <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>! NO !</span> cause really... a combo is basically multiple hits one after the other, am i not right ?[/quote] Well.. add "that are unblockable"

06-02-2003, 03:05 PM	#106
MasterX05 Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,468 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	You say we have some "basic combo system" I am telling u there are no REAL COMBOS, NONE and there can only be combos if there is a combo system. Ill admit some ground combos work but not to great, like Ryu's dash foward crouch then do low kick med kick and round house kick. A simple 3 hit combo that Ryu and Ken can do. But it doesnt come out right it goes too slow. You say a "combo is basically multiple hits one after the other" So if I did potic blast over and over till it got to 12 hits I did a real combo that u could find on something like Gamefaqs? Or if I hit some one with lighting kick and dont stop did I do a simply "basic combo"? Another im Ryu in the corner and all i did was crouch down and hit weak puch Repeatedly did I pull of a amazing 25 hit combo? __________________ [img:sig_uid]http://www.dr.dk/skum/boogie/_img/235x140/kanye_west.jpg[/img:sig_uid] Kanye west-Diamonds are forever Diamonds are forever Throw your diamonds in the sky if you feel the vibe Diamonds are forever The Roc is still alive every time I rhyme.

06-02-2003, 05:28 PM	#107
WhiteTigerClaw Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 579 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	Of course they have to be limited....Slow it down just like you did with the optic blasts....Lots of ##### abuse these powers. They would do anything just to get 1 power gauge bar up..... ??? __________________ http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfold...load5/ken2.jpg If you don't know how to play, don't play at all.

06-03-2003, 08:08 PM	#108
darkFlash88 Senior Member Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 156 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	[quoteost_uid0="WhiteTigerClaw"]Of course they have to be limited....Slow it down just like you did with the optic blasts....Lots of ##### abuse these powers. They would do anything just to get 1 power gauge bar up..... ???[/quote] i think they should be limited too but what you are saying is the new*ies are like wild animals trying to do anything to just win a match and wen i first played this game witch was like in 2002 or something i was a ####ie and i wasnt doin anthing even close to cheating and i got my rank down to at the best like 45 or something but anyways who cares bout rank i dont..... well rank is pretty cool feature to this game but anyways my point is not all ####ies are like wild animals that will do anything just so they can win cause i didnt __________________ SHINOBI + AKUJIKI = YOUR END!!

06-08-2003, 08:08 PM	#109
G_GUNDAM Senior Member Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 793 Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): 0 Thanks (Received): 0 Likes (Given): 0 Likes (Received): 0 Dislikes (Given): 0 Dislikes (Received): 0 Points: 0 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s)	arent hadokens already limited. i could swear that when i fight people and they throw mad fireballs the disappear in the middle of the screen. cause didnt someone mention somethin about that happening. besides if u cant get around fireballs then u need some more skillz cause u dont have any. cause i know i can get around them easy. __________________ fear is my pleasure, hatred is my nourishment........... [img:sig_uid]http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload5/TESTAMENT.jpg[/img:sig_uid] [img:sig_uid]http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload6/ggxtestament.jpg[/img:sig_uid]

06-08-2003, 08:44 PM	#110
Guest Posts: n/a Post Thanks / Like Thanks (Given): Thanks (Received): Likes (Given): Likes (Received): Dislikes (Given): Dislikes (Received): Points: 0 Mentioned: Post(s) Tagged: Thread(s) Quoted: Post(s)	masterxo5-thank you. Now mabye karma will realize that if other ppl like you,aside from me, have these opinions karma will understand how little he actually knows. Dont you see karma? Other ppl have the same opinions as me!!! Masterx05 cleary has played the other "vs" series games unlike you. So Shut the #### up and learn something before making stupid posts that prove that you are an idiot!!!!