Nantuko Joe: You clearly missed the point of all that. Please remind me at what point I said any of those wars that you just quoted were unjust?

Regaurless of my own personal emotions, I was discussing 1 very simple thing... strategy for "defense". You remember reading Finnigan's posts right?

[quoteost_uid0="Finnigan"]
Remember Sept 11 people? We have to strike first from now one.[/quote]

By calling up previous US wars, I've shown that the US has in almost every single case struck first.

And as for your actual comments...

[quoteost_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]...because the colonists had to endure years upon years of British tyranny and unlawfulness in the country they formed to ESCAPE the British tyranny in the first place. There's only so much you can take before you snap.[/quote]

Ok... so they didn't have representation. So what? That made several rich radicals want to separate, and by the time the war broke out only about 30% of the population wanted war, with the majority either not caring or being undecided (which would have been after the Boston Massacre and the Intollerable Acts). Remember the time period, people who were rebelling were against the coast (these triangular traders), and had been disobeying the Navigation Acts for quite some time. In fact, I believe I read a census that 95% of colonial America were yeomen farmers, and wern't even effected by these tariffs? So you might call the founding fathers "smugglers", since that's exactly what they were. And fyi, imperialist America became the same as the British, if you remember why the US even owned Hawaii and the Philopines in the first place. Rich people bitchin' about the Navigation Acts actually being enforced where your entire Glourious Revolution lays. I suggest you find a History teacher who's indifferent, and will cease sending this constant flow of propaganda down your throat.

[quoteost_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]
Umm...no. The japanese attacked Pearl Harbor because the US didn't support them in their invasion of Manchuria and China. They also attacked because since the US didn't support their invasion, they either suspended all trade with Japan or increased tariffs (can't remember which one.) Hardly a reason to bomb a base and kill hundreds of americans.

And America purchased Hawaii...THAT'S why we were there in the first place. Since we purchased it, it is ours. Since it's ours, we had every right to position our ships and whatnot there.

And about WWII Germany...Germany DID attack the United States directly...it's just that not may people know about it. If you want, I can tell you how he did it, too.[/quote]

Why don't you read that thing you quoted? You should find it quite clear I listed 0 reasons why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor :biggrin:

As for why the US owned it? Well here's a short excerpt from my History book:
[quoteost_uid0="History Book"]
The interest of the United States in the Pacific and the Far East began in the late eighteenth century, when the first American merchant ship dropped anchor in Canton harbor. After the Treaty of Wanghai (1844), American merchants in China enjoyed many privileges and trade expanded rapidly. Missionaries began to flock into the country