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Old 11-21-2002, 02:35 PM   #656
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Gill's temperature changes are as close to instantaneous as something can be. He's a God with complete control of the elements, and can do whatever the heck he wants with them however fast he wants. Molecular motion can be stopped the very next instant after he commands it. In any case, it is so fast that the DBZ fighters would not be able to react in time. (That make ya happy now?!)
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princevegetam, this has been stated so many times. The fact that Akuma's Shun Goku Satsu, which sends the SOUL to Hell, could not affect Gill in any way PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is an immortal.
Just because he's an immortal doesn't mean he's a godly deity. But as far as the temperature thing goes...whatever you say.

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Now onto the Shun Goku Satsu and what it REALLY does. The Shun Goku Satsu does not KILL the body, to say. It sends the soul to Hell, and if the target's soul doesn't return from Hell when Akuma comes back (for he is sent to Hell for the duration of the attack too), then the body dies from a lack of connectivity with the soul. It failed on Gill because Gill's soul couldn't be sent to Hell in the first place.
Right. His soul can't be sent to hell. However, I abandoned the afterlife thing and went on to specify different dimensions that Gill can be trapped in with no escape. IE, the ROSAT dimension, Kaiobito's dimension, etc

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Joe, what was it that Goku was doing during the first part of the Buu Saga? Oh yeah, he was a SPIRIT INTERACTING WITH THE REAL WORLD TO BE IN THE TOURNAMENT. NO BODY. JUST SPIRIT. Smack. If he had a body, then he wouldn'tve had the halo over his head. By this stroke of logic, Gill can interact with the physical world at the very least through elemental manipulation when in his spirit form.
Wrong. When Goku was allowed back to the real world, he was given 0a temporary body with a set amount of energy. When he went SSJ3, instead of draining away life energy, it drained away the energy given to him for being on earth. Also, that is why he was able to exist in the dimension where Kaioshin's planetoid is located: he had a temporary body. The problem was, Goku's body was dead in that dimension. When the Rou Dai Kaioshin gave his life to allow Goku to return to the real world, he didn't give his body, but his LIFE ENERGY, and that is what allowed Goku to return for good. But when he was allowed to return for the tournament, he was given a temporary body. Same as Vegeta when he was allowed to return to fight Buu.

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Joe, what were the Saiyans doing that the time that King Enma allowed Goku to travel to Snake Way? Oh, that's right, they were DESTROYING ENTIRE PLANETS. Hmm... looks suspiciously like taking action to save the universe...
Umm...no. The Saiya-jins were merely going to go to earth to get the Dragonballs. The only planet they destroyed was Arlia. And the only reason Vegeta wanted the balls was to wish for immortality so he could overthrow Furiza, who at the time was the tyrant of the universe. Therefore, Enma allowed Goku to go through Snake Way so he could receive training to PREVENT THE SAIYA-JINS FROM GETTING THE DRAGONBALLS, not from DESTROYING THE GALAXY

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If you're going to pull that, "Summon Shenlong," crap on me, then I'll lay it out for you. Seven Dragonballs are scattered about the planet. At least one can be found by a member of Gill's organization, and have it shattered on command. No SEVEN Dragonballs, no Shenlong.
First off, the Dragonballs are unlocatable without the Dragon Radar. That is why Goku had to delay Buu so Trunks could get the Radar--without the Radar, you can't find the Dragonballs. And who is the only person with the Dragon Radar? Is it "Gill's organization"? No. Is it Buruma and the Z-gang? You guessed it.

Second off, I don't believe the Dragonballs can be destroyed. The only way to render them useless is to kill Dende (who will probably go into hiding the moment the fighting begins).

Third and lastly off, Kaiobito or someone else can easily make contact with the Nameks on New Namek and use their set of Dragonballs. And no one from "Gill's organization" can get in a spaceship and blast off to New Namek in time to stop Porunga from appearing and granting the wish.
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